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Started running a little late, needed some extra copies. 00:00:16
Uh. 00:00:20
Printed up here. 00:00:22
OK, we're recording. We'll go ahead and. 00:00:25
UH open this meeting at the County Council on October 10th. UH call it to order and begin with prayer followed by the Pledge of 00:00:28
Allegiance. 00:00:32
With every father, it can be impaired tonight, John. 00:00:42
We just thank you for everything you've done for us and the praises we give all to you, or we just press your beauty to Israel to 00:00:45
our God. It's very troubling. This is your country as you can plead the blood on them and protect them. 00:00:51
And just just be with them and give them strength. Lord, I saw Chief pray for this budget tonight. Should we touch our hearts and 00:00:58
mind and do the right thing for our employees And we think our public safety and our employees will be with the public safety 00:01:04
officers in our county and our towns that I thank you for everything and just. 00:01:10
Or just watch over so just again, touch us and do the right thing. She's saying that, correct? 00:01:17
Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for. 00:01:25
One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:01:33
Todd, Mr. Cole, can we have a roll call please? 00:01:48
Have to move on. 00:01:53
Here. 00:01:58
Here present. 00:02:02
Next, we have approval of minutes from our September 12th meeting. 00:02:07
I'll second UH motion by Mr. Vaughn, seconded by Mr. Gale on any discussion, corrections, all in favor, aye. Any opposed motion 00:02:13
passes approval of the agenda as presented by Mr. Gale, seconded by Mr. Emery. 00:02:22
All in favor, say aye. Any opposed? 00:02:32
Motion passes start President's comments. 00:02:36
Uh. 00:02:40
Uh, we'll have some comments when we get to the budget. UH other than that UH, we're getting towards the end of the year when we 00:02:41
find out where where our budgeting process went awry last year or things that have come, uh come to bear on our budgets and impact 00:02:49
of that. And we'll see that in some of the transfers and new money requests, UH that are coming up UH out of the report. 00:02:56
Mr. Gardner, please. 00:03:07
Good afternoon, Council. 00:03:11
It's gonna go over the PowerPoint we had last month with a couple of little changes in it. Uh, uh. 00:03:13
Really don't have anything E extra to add that that we didn't cover last month, but we'll go through it real quick. Try not to 00:03:19
pick up just a minute of your time. 00:03:23
Could you e-mail it to us? I know last meeting you said you were gonna and I'm sure what's everything that was going on. We got it 00:03:32
locked, but I can't e-mail it to you yet. Thank you. 00:03:36
No. 00:03:43
OK. So we'll we'll go through through it real quick and then pause on the on the ones that changed for this month. So there's your 00:03:56
total debt over the last UH 2017 just been reducing. Keep in mind that that for this next budget really and going forward UH, we 00:04:03
are building UH a new jail which is an extremely expensive project. So that'll be something we'll have to deal with UH in the 00:04:10
coming years. UH, there's a general fund cash balances over the last several years since 2017. 00:04:17
At year end, again UH 9 1/2 to $10 million with what we'd like to see at the end of the year UH in order to cash flow the next six 00:04:25
months rainy day fund over over. The last is that since 2016, UH so on SO had almost no UH backup money UH and we're sitting at 00:04:33
$10,494,000. 00:04:41
So that's just. 00:04:50
Kind of a history of that umm general fund, UH interest during this year UH was phenomenal uh thanks to uh UH treasurer Girk and 00:04:52
his efforts. Uh uh it helped start a long way. Here's here's one we covered last month and and thankfully the council chose to 00:05:01
100% fund the UH the the police pension fund and we put $7.75 million in that fund UH a couple days after meeting UH last month. 00:05:10
So according to our actuarial people that UH Madison County is the only forwardly funded police pension fund. 00:05:19
UH in. UH Accounting pension fund in the. 00:05:28
So here here's what you're looking at on your on your major fund balances today, the general fund setting at $4.7 million. UH 00:05:32
rainy day at 4:50, UH ten million 454 or 494. Public safety at 946,000. We'll remember that we took uh UH $3,000,000 from the 00:05:40
public safety fund and added to that UH that UH four or $5,000,000 UH for UMM the short of UH $8 million UH funding of that police 00:05:48
pension fund. So it took 5 million general fund 3 million from here. 00:05:56
Umm so And then the WIC correctional fund, which will go to build that new jail. That's what's in that fund as of today. That 00:06:05
comes in, uh every month like every other umm umm, income tax comes in public safety, UMM certified list. And then uh, uh, the 00:06:13
correctional, which is for the building of the new jail. Again, here is your UMM uh projected budget. Uh is that your booklet? UH 00:06:20
sets right now? It's exactly that number. Uh, which can be funded. Umm. 00:06:28
And then the next. 00:06:37
The next slide we're looking at are the distribution of additional revenues, which means it was about two and a half million 00:06:38
dollars more than last year's budget. 00:06:42
And though that is how uh, it is divided that additional as your budget sets today, uh, in the proposed numbers, uh, that's where 00:06:47
the additional monies went by percentage. So that's all I have unless you have a question for me. 00:06:55
Thank you. 00:07:04
Uh. 00:07:09
If there's no questions, we'll move to UH transfers since there's no new going to the new business and 1st is UH Sheriff Beeman 00:07:10
with Sheriff and Jail transfers. 00:07:15
Based on invoices over time and rentals. 00:07:24
Right. This is a continuation from the last month or UH, which UH Kim and cleaned up some of those UH surplus lines. 00:07:30
On the some of the pay lines and things and moved it, so we're moving it back over to. 00:07:38
To cover overtime. 00:07:45
Yeah, Sheriff overtime. 00:07:48
Some printing. 00:07:51
Rent. Yeah, rentals. 00:07:55
Yeah, most of it's going to the housing. 00:08:07
Because we have so many of our inmates outside the county right now. 00:08:09
Shareholders account. 00:08:14
Out of accounting. 00:08:16
As a fluctuation on that 22. 00:08:19
Sheriff, I appreciate you looking in your budget. We always ask the hospitals to do this, try to find it UH within the budget they 00:08:24
can to UH offset the new costs. I appreciate uh diligently working on that to get that accomplished with that to make a motion 00:08:29
through science presented. 00:08:33
Then second Mr. Vaughn. Mr. Vaughn, I'm sorry, I didn't quite hear you. Sorry. Moved by uh, Mr. Emery, seconded by Mr. Vaughn, to 00:08:39
approve the sheriff and jail transfers as presented. 00:08:45
Any discussions? 00:08:53
All in favor, say aye, Any opposed motion passes up next is uh. 00:08:55
Prosecutor Uh. 00:09:03
Corner Thank you UH for some office supply transfer. 00:09:06
Our operating supplies. Good evening. Uh, this. 00:09:11
Remaining salary that I wanna transfer over is not being used and it's not gonna be used for the rest of the year. I'd like to 00:09:16
move that to operation supplies to buy. 00:09:20
Body bags and syringes and things are the force that we need. 00:09:25
It's like unusual. 00:09:29
And uh, moved by Mr. M, are you seconded by Mr. Gale? Any other discussions, Questions? 00:09:32
On previously Aye aye, any opposed motion carries. 00:09:38
Up. 00:09:43
Is the prosecutor this time? 00:09:44
Counselor Andrew Hammond, Chief Deputy Prosecutor, UH. We have a couple of transfers. 00:09:53
To both our operating supplies, which includes UH, the main UH issue here is the gasoline and fuel for our various investigator 00:09:59
vehicles, UMM and to finish out UH paying for our rentals for the remainder of the year, the felony trial deputy three that's 00:10:06
receiving funds, that's not an increase at all to the salary. What happened there was earlier in the year when we transferred 2 00:10:13
employees from UMM. 00:10:20
Non exempt. To exempt employees we have to pay out their comp time, umm at a rate prescribed by the county. 00:10:29
Umm, we had that open in that thir uh 13502 line item, so we paid it all out of there. Uh, but that's at the auditors, uh advice 00:10:35
that that's gonna come up short because we hired UH, the prosecutor that's in that position, umm, for the remainder of the year. 00:10:44
So we needed to move some uh extra funds there. But that again is not an increase. That is the $50,000 salary as as prescribed. 00:10:52
OK, mushroom. 00:11:01
And I'm moved by Mr. Gale. Figured I might miss him. Lycans. 00:11:03
Any other questions? 00:11:09
All in favor, Say aye. Any opposed motion carries. Thank you, Council. Thank you. 00:11:10
Next is county engineer UH Planning. 00:11:17
Uh, I'll speak for Mr. Strange and planning it to 400. 00:11:27
UH for supplies. UH office supplies $400.00 from other supplies to office supplies. 00:11:32
Make a motion to approve. 00:11:40
Moved by Mr. Gale, Signal by Mr. Vaughn. Any other questions? All in favor, say aye, Aye. Any opposed motion carries. 00:11:42
County engineer. 00:11:53
Like Jessica? 00:11:59
Little different, huh? Yeah. 00:12:01
This is Dan. Umm. The transfer for the highway is probably it's gonna turn into new money. We turned into another. 00:12:04
Transfer later because it's transferred. We didn't have enough money. When we looked in there for the, I was telling the same. So 00:12:11
the two we got backs are just gonna be new money out of unappropriated money. 00:12:16
You're gonna pull this this transfer? Yeah, you're pulling the transfer. OK, so you don't need. OK. And then we have new money 00:12:22
requests. Yep. Back later in our. 00:12:27
Good. Thank you. Thank you. 00:12:35
Next the assessor's office. 00:12:42
Office 5. The office and machinery. I believe that was for some 2 tablets. 00:12:47
No, nobody's here to speak on uh, Mr. Davis's behalf. I'll present that second moved by Mr. Hill, seconded by Mr. Vaughn. 00:12:54
Any discussion all in favor say aye aye. Any opposed motion carries. Next is Mr. Mellinger for health department. Good evening 00:13:06
Jeff Mellinger Health Department UMM transferring from machinery and equipment to our operating supplies outreach divisions have 00:13:14
been busier this year. So we have an increase in UMM expenses for medical supplies and fuel for the UMM mobile unit. And then also 00:13:22
transferring for longevity to an employee who came from us from another department. She's been here for quite a while so. 00:13:30
75 inch that line. 00:13:38
And then also from other services and charges into the vital records click line when that individual got a pay increase from how 00:13:40
it didn't make it over. So we're a couple 1000 short. 00:13:45
Make a motion through. 00:13:50
Moved by Mr. Vaughn, seconded by Mr. Gale. 00:13:53
All in favor? Say aye. Aye. Any opposed motion carries OK onto new money request from miscellaneous funds. First up is the Clerk's 00:13:59
office. 00:14:04
County Elected Officials Training Fund. 00:14:12
For $4000 for other services. 00:14:17
Hi Daniel Smith, County Clerk and I am requesting $4000 umm to be appropriated from then umm Elected Officials Training Fund and 00:14:25
it's for our election uh individuals that need the other training in December. 00:14:32
It's a motion second moved by Mr. Gill, seconded by Mr. Vaughn. Any other discussion all in favor, say aye, aye. 00:14:41
Any opposed motion carries? Thank you. Thank you. 00:14:51
Up next Mr. Hunter from the courts and Cordonen. 00:14:55
There's three separate request. 00:15:02
OK to handle them all together. 00:15:05
Good to see you. Umm. I have two items here. Umm. 00:15:10
In the new money Court Improvement Fund is a grant. 00:15:18
Umm, which we receive on a yearly basis for 10 children that need the services mediation. 00:15:22
Umm. 00:15:30
This is the most we've received before because we've been doing a lot of it the last couple of years. So we got $15,000 from them. 00:15:31
I'm just asking if you're appropriate that program that started three years ago and it's been very successful speeding up. 00:15:38
Chance cases and getting them to resolution. 00:15:46
The second item that I have there was the court interpreter grant. That's actually an emergency grant. We got $5000 at the 00:15:52
beginning of the year. 00:15:56
We've had an insane amount. 00:16:01
Interpreting this year which that over $20,000 uninterpreted as we have one trial that 12,000 / 12,000 dollars was about multiple 00:16:05
defendants and witnesses. We had that to interpret them that lasted over week. So uh, the state was time enough to give us 1500 00:16:14
dollars, 1200 of which is always spent. So uh those are the two brands uh items that I have so. 00:16:24
Asking for approval for those. 00:16:33
Umm. 00:16:37
A motion to approve the other item. 00:16:39
I can't really speak to it, I don't mind. 00:16:43
These two are finally going together. No objection. 00:16:46
But then then yeah. 00:16:51
Who did first? Second. Oh, OK. I didn't hear the second. I'm sorry. Mr. Gale. Seconded by Mr. Vaughn. All in favor. Say aye. Aye. 00:16:55
The opposed motion carries an extra heart, Public defender. 00:17:04
Good evening. Brian Williams, Chief Public Defender. We are asking for an additional $70,000 UH from the rainy day fund to be 00:17:16
allocated toward the account on the capital case, the death penalty case. Umm, we have spent approximately $167,000 so far this 00:17:23
year and we anticipate the 70,000 will get us through the end of the year. 00:17:30
So we what do we have in there beginning 200, I believe about 167 right now make a motion for a second. 00:17:39
And moved by Mr. Emery signaling uh Mr. Ron any other discussion or questions all in favor. Aye, aye. Any opposed motion carries. 00:17:48
Thank you all. Next step is prosecutors office. 00:17:56
UH Comp Grant Fund Request. 00:18:10
Hello. Hello. I'm Betsy Baxter, Director of Western Services in the prosecutor's office. Umm, these funds were awarded through our 00:18:16
stock grant, which is a portion of our budget for the year. 00:18:21
Umm, do you want me to go through line by line? 00:18:27
Not unless we have any questions. Make a motion approval. 00:18:30
Been moved by Mr. Vaughn. 00:18:36
By Mr. Emery. 00:18:39
Aye. Any opposed? 00:18:43
Thank you. 00:18:46
Now we're back to uh, your local roads and streets and Hwy. 5. 00:18:49
All right, I do need these two though. 00:19:02
So it's UH, it's gonna come out of the highway funds unappropriated cash, so it's not coming out of general fund. 00:19:06
And the the first one for the 70,000 As for all the trucks for the bipartisan to replace and gas and. 00:19:14
Just normal. Keep getting ready for the winter to get the flowers ready and all that stuff. Make sure we have enough money. 00:19:21
And the other one that's going at 1173? 00:19:28
Is to. 00:19:31
Hopefully pay all the bills we got left from saving. They're still rolling in. We're done now. 00:19:32
Hopefully this is the end, of course. 00:19:37
Hi, I have a question. So you said earlier when you said you didn't need that you were talking about salt. 00:19:41
Yeah. Did you have the money for the salsa? Well, when I got to look and we only had, yeah, I got, I got plenty of Microsoft 00:19:46
that's full of we were just gonna transfer it and use it. But when I got the lift and we all had 21,000 in there out of the 50s, 00:19:51
I'm like, there's not gonna transfer that. So I just want that appropriate and make it easier on everybody. 00:19:57
OK to improve the make a motion to approve. 00:20:03
From 1169 and 1173. 00:20:09
Been moved by Mr. Vaughn, seconded by Mr. Emery. 00:20:14
Accounting engineer all in favor Say aye, aye. Any opposed? 00:20:20
Motion carries. Thank you, Sarah. 00:20:25
Uh Commissioners. 00:20:28
I don't know if Tom is presenting and we have a presentation from. 00:20:31
Uh, the city of Elwood. 00:20:37
You're down. 00:20:40
Good evening Council, Todd Jones, Mayor of the City of Elwood. What I have in front of you this evening is a presentation for a 00:20:43
new Sports Complex that would be UH, built directly to the east of the City of Bellwood. It is uh, a request that we are asking 00:20:50
for the UH Wind Farm Economic Development Fund and the amount of $502,970. In your packet this evening there is a resolution that 00:20:57
was 2016 VCR Dash 14 that was passed into 2011. 00:21:03
Uh, where the funds were going to be directed to Northern Madison County. In addition to that there is also a handout on wild card 00:21:10
Wildcat wind farms and the benefits that it has in Madison County. And then our project that we are presenting to the County 00:21:17
Council this evening with the Sports Complex that is estimated to put between 8:00 and $9 million annually and tourism money 00:21:24
perhaps accounting. 00:21:30
Mayor we're just gonna actually, I, I, I just couldn't just open it. We're just actually gonna be, it's gonna be directly to the 00:21:38
east of the football stadium. 00:21:42
6. 00:21:47
And there's a wondering of what the projects would look like. Not only is it an indoor Sports Complex that's 50,000 square feet, 00:21:49
there is also going to be 4 dual purpose baseball and softball diamonds as well. 00:21:56
This is from this. 00:22:06
Presentation in the architectural design is from KRM. 00:22:10
And then in the back you will see a feasibility study that was done UH that was paid by the city about what UH from an independent 00:22:18
agency that tells you what the impacts would be from having such a facility in our UH city. 00:22:24
You know what I'm saying? 00:22:32
And I'm not sure if Tom's got some ads from commissioners, but the only thing I wanna add is the uh, the commissioners unanimously 00:23:07
approved this transfer or umm. 00:23:11
To the to the new project a couple of months ago. 00:23:17
So, unanimous vote on the Commissioner's side to support the Mayor. Umm, and this new Sports Complex. 00:23:20
Make a motion to approve second. 00:23:27
Been moved by Mr. Vaughn, Seconded by Miss Keller. Any other discussion questions? 00:23:29
All in favor. Say aye. Aye. Any opposed Motion carries. Thank you. Good luck, man. Thank you, Council. I greatly appreciate it. 00:23:37
Thank you. 00:23:42
Uh. Umm. 00:23:51
Next we've got UH budget adoptions for East Central and Indiana, Solid Waste District, Independence Fire in Madison County that 00:23:55
will handle individually. Are we skipping the other name on your class? Oh shoot. Public hearing. I'm sorry. 00:24:04
Just so excited public hearing UH items. There are requests from the sheriff and the jail. 00:24:17
Uh, Coroner. Court administrator. 00:24:24
And uh, Ashton County Complex, are there any public comment that? 00:24:27
Would like to be heard regarding any of these specific items. 00:24:33
No problem. We asked after they took the business because they can't receive. 00:24:42
You know, online like that. However, I was looking to pull it up. So I don't know what we're looking at. That's because the agenda 00:24:47
was never posted online. 00:24:50
I just want to say, can you ask the doctor when presenting? 00:24:56
Yeah, everywhere else, yeah. But this, this is the issue that I've been talking about for a year that you asked for public 00:25:01
comment. 00:25:04
Before the presentation by the department head, and when it's not online. There's not enough copies here. How is the public 00:25:08
supposed to come and ask a question when they have no idea what's going to be presented? 00:25:13
Yeah, I mean, some of us do like to talk about that. We wanna hear what? 00:25:22
What specific? What specific? 00:25:27
The UH, the pressure officer pay infancy things like that you want to hear what well that's an abrupt that that's. 00:25:31
Yeah, I mean, we don't really know exactly right now. We're not on the budget yet. This is just things that are uh, new money 00:25:40
request department, umm for us right now. That's the business. 00:25:46
I don't know why it wasn't. I don't know. But let's just to keep it. We got a long meeting. 00:25:53
No, can't do that. 00:26:00
Mr. Sheriff, would you like to present to anybody? 00:26:02
Kathleen Uh John Beamon Sheriff's Department UH this is new money requested to UH cover shortages we have in our UH operating 00:26:06
line. 00:26:11
And on the share side and on the sales side will be for the housing. 00:26:17
The other 60,000 that we transferred will not be enough to cover, so that's why we had to ask for an additional UH money UH, both 00:26:22
on the share side and the jail. 00:26:26
So what? 00:26:32
Sorry, 51,000 in operating supplies and $44,081.20 for other services and charges charges and 39,000 for rentals. The 51,000 is 00:26:40
for fuel. 00:26:46
And then the other. 00:26:54
The $4481.28 is actually a reimbursement or a flow through for a Volca grant that they've already reimbursement back to. 00:26:57
On the for victims advocates, UH conference for reimbursement. 00:27:08
Since the department's already paid for that. 00:27:13
Make a motion to approve. 00:27:16
Any other further discussion questions, I just wanna say that I commend you guys because he's done a really good job this year of, 00:27:22
you know, going through that budget and really fine tuning it. And you know, here we are in October and this is the first time 00:27:27
we've asked for new money. So appreciate that. 00:27:33
No. So I appreciate Kim's or Kim's. Umm, worked several budgets. I've talked to her and and appreciate what you've done. Kim. I I 00:27:39
know it's not easy. You've done redone things several times. 00:27:45
And I appreciate what you've done and. 00:27:51
Mm-hmm. 00:27:53
Was it last month? 00:27:55
Yeah. 00:28:00
There's a motion on the table. Any discussion? 00:28:03
Anybody have a question or comment about this specific comment or uh, request? 00:28:07
They will go forward with the votes. All in favor, say aye and opposed motion carries. Thank you. 00:28:13
Corner. 00:28:20
$175,000 in new money request. 00:28:22
Good evening. Uh, I just need 175,000 was what I'm hoping to get into the end of the year and also cover previous bills that are 00:28:28
still occurring in the office. I believe that we'll be able to make it through the end of the year with this morning and pay off 00:28:33
all outstanding debt. 00:28:38
You happen to have a a rough estimate. 00:28:44
$49,900 UH, and is that from old Past due? Yes. So that's what's remaining. You're saying 50,000 with the last game? 00:28:47
Yeah, Adam, I spoke to you. Umm, you're also doing some things to get prepared to save money for next. 00:28:57
Our pathologist, our previous pathologist raised rates October 1st from 15 to 50, umm sorry, $15150 per US up to 2200. Uh since 00:29:41
hired a new pathologist firm for 1750 per autopsy. Thank you for joining us. So it's it's still an increase but not as much of an 00:29:48
increase. So we will still be paying more for our jobs, correct? 00:29:55
Yes. 00:30:03
Yes, ma'am. Make a motion to approve second. 00:30:05
I still have a question so. 00:30:09
Right before you were processed in, we appropriated $160,000. I believe that was also for professional services. I believe it was 00:30:12
100,000. I don't have it in front of me. 00:30:17
What it was, I believe it was $100,000 in August. OK. 00:30:22
OK, I was wrong on the number. Excuse me. Umm so now. 00:30:26
The budget. 00:30:32
And I know we're not on the budget, but I think it's relevant. Umm, we're looking at around 240,003 next year, so 100 + 175, 00:30:33
that's 275,000. 00:30:39
Yes, ma'am. 00:30:44
And so do you think that the 10 or 40,000 is enough for next year? 00:30:46
If we stay on the average of what we've done over the past five years yet with the new range. 00:30:52
Yes, but again. 00:30:58
If those numbers will arrive due to increased deaths, I I don't know, OK? 00:31:00
But if we stay on average, the 500 average is 125.2. I'll tell you the usual. 00:31:06
If we stay on average for that, it'll come out about 2:18 and then we have transportation on top of that. 00:31:11
So transportation costs? 00:31:16
Roughly 3000 a month. 00:31:18
It just depends. 00:31:20
Last month was a little less but. 00:31:22
It's a guess because your transports are less. Thank you. Let's transport for them. Last month, Umm, but deaths were down so. 00:31:26
So it makes sense that they would also be correct, correct. But I can't, it's it's a guesstimate every month and I just I take the 00:31:33
average, OK. So it's the best that I was able to do as far as take the average of the past five years. 00:31:39
Coming down with what it is with and then factor in the new price for our autopsies, Umm. 00:31:46
Actually that that was an increase that was unexpected in the in mid year. 00:31:52
So you are confident that the 175 should get you through the end of the year from this year, yes. All right. 00:31:59
Have a questions or comments? 00:32:07
Any public comment? 00:32:10
Did you said they're an average of 28,000, which is in a month? Yeah, you didn't know? 00:32:13
Did you did you sign? Please sign in. And if it's public, comment, not interrogation. 00:32:20
If you'd asked me that, I would have told you that my name is Amy Crossing. Umm, I have a question about just doing numbers. 00:32:30
He said it's you've mentioned the budget is 240,000 for his proposal next year. I'm not asking about that. I'm asking what he just 00:32:37
said. If it is 240,000, if you do 28,000 an average per month, that's 336,000 a year. 00:32:43
So I'm wondering how that works. 00:32:50
When we're looking at the numbers and that's the numbers, don't add up the numbers always, you can always go to numbers. So I was 00:32:53
wondering about that, if you're saying he's gonna bid 240 or he needs 175, how does that align? 00:32:58
And what is that used for? 00:33:05
Remind I'm in just public comment. Sorry anyone else? 00:33:09
So everybody kind of knows who I am. I'm former chief deputy of Madison County Coroner's office. 00:33:16
In the past we have asked for money over and over and in the past we would set up here. 00:33:22
I don't know, sometimes 304050 minutes to asking for that money. 00:33:28
So here we are again. In the corners office is clearly asking for more money. I don't disagree. They're gonna need more money. 00:33:33
At this point, what Doctor Abbott asked for last year and I asked. 00:33:42
Was roughly the amount that you are now doing? 00:33:47
There is no way. I promise everybody in this room he will make it on $240,000. There's not no time. Impossible. 00:33:50
Even if he buys extra supplies. 00:33:59
So. 00:34:02
I just want to be very clear that everybody now sees what happened in the foreigners office. 00:34:03
The money needed to go where the money needed to go. Nobody asked for more than what was needed. 00:34:09
Everything. Last year we asked for 30,000 to get to the end of the year and we were told no and to give an exact number. He is up 00:34:17
here saying he cannot give an exact number, the same thing I said. 00:34:22
Everybody in here tonight has said we've got an increase in volume in the health, we've got an increase in volume in the 00:34:28
prosecutors. It happens. 00:34:32
But I just wanna make it clear. 00:34:37
You have now given the money that we asked for in the original budget and you will do it again next year. He will never make it on 00:34:38
240,000. 00:34:42
Thank you. 00:34:48
Go ahead with the vote. All in favor? Say aye. Any opposed? 00:34:51
Motion carries. Appreciate your help. 00:34:57
Court administrator Mr. Hunter again. 00:35:00
This communication and transportation. 00:35:04
For mailing $8000. 00:35:09
Communication of. 00:35:14
Application account is what we're asking for. 00:35:16
Uh $8000. 00:35:21
Uh, this is the account that we. 00:35:23
Used for postage. 00:35:27
Umm, as you most of you are aware, you're now paying $0.63 for what? e-mail? When for the stamp? And we are now paying $0.57. Uh, 00:35:29
when we mail from the jury. Two years ago we were paying $0.46 per mailing. 00:35:39
We send 24,000. 00:35:49
During questionnaires. 00:35:52
Inside the drawing questionnaire which people fill out, there is also a letter. 00:35:56
Which have to be billed at 63. 00:36:01
To send back to us now, UH the rates were 57 for both mail, which we can send out $0.63 for our UH UH when it comes back. The 00:36:05
questionnaire filled out UH so that is the main driver for this. 00:36:13
Uh, we didn't. We probably would have run out of money last year. Uh, But we did not have to send out one of our Drury pools last 00:36:22
year because we didn't start trials back up until. 00:36:28
March of 2022, our trials were stopped from December until March 2022. So what we actually have, we've done pretty well 00:36:36
considering the increases. Uh, we also have more juries right now, so. 00:36:43
You know more paying the extra postal rate and we did not get an increase in those accounts last year. We did ask for one, we got 00:36:52
the same amount and uh umm at integrate we need 8000 to get through the year. We have a bill currently for the one of the things 00:36:58
that we have to pay for UMM in. 00:37:05
This year is the first quarter of next year. 00:37:12
Umm, because we will have to start using those on January 1st, so we have to get mail everything out. That's questionnaires back 00:37:16
in, so uh. 00:37:20
Two years ago we paid $7800 for the mailing. 00:37:25
The cost is now 9200. 00:37:32
For the middle. 00:37:35
So. 00:37:37
And we are using bolt mail rates for all of. 00:37:39
All of our gorilla mail lines. So I can't give you an exact number of where we all where we're gonna be at the end of the year 00:37:45
obviously because uh, but right now we've we have 52 trials last year we're at 43 right now. So we're gonna see what we did a year 00:37:51
ago so. 00:37:57
I'm assuming that if you had money to transfer in a different line, you would have done so. I appreciate it. Thank you. 00:38:05
Motion to Approve. 00:38:15
And move to Mr. Gale, seconded by Mrs. Nord, to approve request another discussion to public input. 00:38:18
All in favor, Say aye. 00:38:28
Any. 00:38:31
Motion carries. Thank you. Thank you. 00:38:32
Uh N triple C. 00:38:36
Numeri request. 00:38:39
Good evening, Council. I'm Tia Baker. I'm the assistant director with Madison County Community Corrections. 00:38:46
And I'm here today for a new money request. Umm, and a total of, uh, $96,332. 00:38:52
Uh, that total is broken down into three different line items. 00:39:02
The first line item is Operating supplies. 00:39:06
UH, requesting $72,000? UH in that line. Umm, on average right now this year we've been spending around $24,000 a month. 00:39:09
Umm. 00:39:21
This purchases food, uh, to feed the inmates at the complex. It also covers umm cleaning supplies, laundry, umm chemicals, paper 00:39:22
products, etcetera. 00:39:28
The next line item, umm, that we're requesting funds for is uh, repairs and maintenance. We're requesting $2000 there. 00:39:36
Umm. We've extended our budget. Umm and that line item as well. Umm, we're spending on average $660.00 per month. 00:39:45
That pays for Vermin pest control, fire safety checks, UH with Elmwood Fire and our copier UH maintenance agreement. 00:39:53
And lastly, in utility line items, we were requesting 22,332 dollars. 00:40:04
Umm, on average we're spending around 7444 a month. 00:40:12
Umm, so the 96332 will get us through to the end of the year? 00:40:18
And uh, I'll make a motion to approve ninety 6/03/96. Well, I just can't do that. I gotta do three separate though. No no no. Make 00:40:26
a motion approved. 00:40:31
The second desk and it was approved by UH moved by Meshton, seconded by Mrs. Norwich. 00:40:38
Any other discussion? Public comment? 00:40:46
All in favor, Say aye, Aye. 00:40:49
Well. 00:40:57
I don't know if this is the time when I speak about. 00:40:59
Raising no This is N triple C budget request. 00:41:04
No other comment. All in favor, say aye. Any opposed? 00:41:12
Motion carries. Thank you. Next we have budget adoption for three, umm, just four entities. First, the East Central IN. 00:41:16
Solid waste district. 00:41:27
To make a motion to approve second. 00:41:31
That's been moved by Mr. Gale, seconded by Mr. UH Vaughn. Any other discussion? 00:41:36
All in favor, Say aye. 00:41:44
Any opposed motion carries independence fire. I'll make a motion to approve second. 00:41:47
Independence Fire has been moved by Mr. Gale, seconded by Mr. Vaughn. 00:41:56
The other discussion. 00:42:01
All in favor, Say aye, Aye. 00:42:03
Any opposed? 00:42:06
Motion carries. 00:42:08
Next is UH Madison County budget. 00:42:10
And uh. 00:42:13
That is presented, I'm gonna read umm just a budget notes about that the original UH budget submissions from the department's 00:42:16
total vendor. 00:42:21
Umm, just under $46 million or 10% above the 23 budgeted amounts. With an overall budget increase from last year, our target was 00:42:27
to be at or below the 43 million. 00:42:33
500 or 443 point $5 million. 00:42:40
Which would be a $2,000,000 increase or about 5% over last year without a raise for our accounting employees last year we target. 00:42:45
UH 5% raise for employees in 2024. Some departments were able to permanently reduce headcount or allow for additional salary 00:42:53
adjustments and expenditures. 00:42:58
We attempted to support all departments in their quest to adjust wages to address outside comp, competitive markets and 00:43:04
disparities. Overall, 13 departments submitted budgets under the 5% growth quotient, which helped to cover other areas of needs 00:43:10
throughout our county. 00:43:15
We looked at year over year operational lines to adjust for trends unless specific needs were pointed out during our budget 00:43:21
workshop, most of the submitted budgets. 00:43:26
Needed little or no adjustments to operational funds to make the budget work. Elected officials and department heads were very 00:43:32
helpful and understanding that not every request was able to be made within this budget cycle, and that sometimes it takes years 00:43:37
to make necessary adjustments. 00:43:42
We met with and consulted some of the larger monetary requested departments to collectively work towards a feasible budget. Public 00:43:48
safety by far was the largest benefactor of overall increases in the Sheriff Jail, M Triple C and Prosecutor's office. 00:43:56
UH, there was an accounting change to budget for unfunded appropriations that drove half the increase in the commissioners budget, 00:44:05
but that doesn't have actual cash flow impact. It's an accounting measure only UH, to make the budget balance and offset the 00:44:10
commissioners. 00:44:15
Uh, accounting. We shif. 00:44:21
30 fi 350,000 of food from the jail. 00:44:24
A general fund to public safety that was freed up from the retirement. 00:44:28
That was omitted last month. 00:44:33
The uncommitted portion of. 00:44:35
Debt still allows us to rebuild the public safety balance and hold monies for use to unexpected public safety items. 00:44:37
Direct to the jail project and or hold for bond payment calculations. They're the upcoming UH later next year. I believe this is 00:44:45
inequitable and reasonable budget that addresses the most pressing needs across our county while also preserving A buffer for near 00:44:52
future unknowns and expanded services in coming years to trigger economy, not shrink. 00:44:59
The budget. 00:45:09
Uh, presented right at $43.5 million. 00:45:11
Umm, a lot of departments. I mean, every every year it's gotten better. 00:45:16
I think, uh, I think the course was one good example where they collectively work together presented one solid budget and we 00:45:21
presented that as is. 00:45:25
Uh there were other departments, clerks being one, that UH gave money back to general fund while eliminating positions at just a 00:45:30
few examples of I think good stewardship within our county. UH public safety is UH and. 00:45:38
It's not a burden, but it is is demanding more of our resources and it. 00:45:46
Pie chart, I mean it's over half, Umm is JL Sheriff Correctional Facility, public defenders, prosecutors, getting close to 60% of 00:45:52
our budget and that's unfortunately we're, you know the majority of our monies are going to be spent. 00:46:00
Can you press? I'll make a motion to approve. Second, the motion to approve the budget as presented by Mr. Emery, seconded by Mr. 00:46:11
Gale. Any other comment or questions? So I also presented a budget that. Yeah, I also presented a budget that is, I looked over 00:46:19
your budget that you. Umm, I'm not sure who I worked on that one. I did not. Umm, I did look over that budget. And I'm just gonna 00:46:27
say a couple things. First and foremost, umm, I recently saw a study called Prosperity Indiana and it talks about. 00:46:34
The salary that it takes from every individual in Madison County to be able to afford housing here. 00:46:43
And not spend more than 30% of their income on housing. Now we're sitting here at this council. 00:46:50
Do not have that issue when it comes to finances, OK, but looking at our our budget and looking at some of our really low paid umm 00:46:57
people within our community are in our county. Umm, there's a lot of people that are way below that threshold. 00:47:03
Umm, that threshold, Umm is is around $34,000. 00:47:10
Which still is not a lot of money, but that's the threshold at 1650 an hour. 00:47:14
So when I went through the budget that you guys proposed initially that you're talking about here, I went through that and I made, 00:47:19
I tried to get everybody that was below that 34,000 threshold, first of all up to the $34,000 threshold. 00:47:25
Umm, there's still a few departments that I have some slices that we need to do some work on. But at the end of the day, because I 00:47:33
can't get everybody up to where we'd like to have them at, umm, you have to, you have to bring that, that measure down a little 00:47:39
bit. So that's something that we still have to work on. But in the budget that I presented, I got the majority of people up to 00:47:45
$34,000, umm, and then of course incremented up towards, you know, up from that point for other departments that were already at 00:47:50
that point. 00:47:56
That was one thing that was very discouraging when I saw the budget that was proposed on Friday. 00:48:04
Umm another thing that umm. 00:48:09
I'm confused about honestly. If I'm looking at the public safety, umm. 00:48:14
Uh, budget. And I guess I'm really confused about the retirement and why we're appropriating $1.4 million in a direct. Could give 00:48:19
me some insight on that because I thought that was gonna be lowered when we funded the public when we funded the UH, I did check 00:48:25
with Rick on that and thank you for the question. We umm, we left it in there as is. We we know we're gonna have a payment of 400 00:48:30
and some thousand. We don't know the exact amount. Umm, it's OK to leave it in there. We we were not gonna pay more than the 00:48:36
payment that's due. 00:48:42
Umm, we're not running over the budget it it just did not get adjusted down, that's all. We still have money and we need the 00:48:48
threshold of income coming in. Well, I understand that that's $1,000,000 threshold, which is quite a bit. 00:48:54
We don't know what's gonna happen with the economy next year. 00:49:37
Umm. 00:49:41
It's still available. It can be extended next year and I think our conversations with UH Sheriff and UH others in public safety, 00:49:42
we're we'd like to hold on to it because if we commit it, it's like a debt. I mean if we. 00:49:49
Push it all toward salaries and have a little bit of a downturn. We don't have room to group UH, move UH or adjust things for 00:49:56
unknowns next year. 00:50:00
Unknowns with the dispatch center. The back of the dispatch center. Well, yeah. So it's it's money that will likely have to be 00:50:06
spent, but at least for now, it's reserved until we know what some of those things are and it's reserved in public safety. That 00:50:11
was the intent. So it's not the general fund specific for general. Uh, general or public safety. OK, so a couple other concerns 00:50:16
that I had. Umm. 00:50:21
I am a strong advocate that we need to have our jail and we need to have M triple C on equal playing field. Umm they need to be 00:50:27
Umm. You know in our we had the sheriff had talked about putting them at $22.00 an hour. I don't think that's an astronomical 00:50:35
amount of salary for them. Umm I did put back in the matrix for the jail and M triple C umm. 00:50:42
That puts at least us on an even playing field with Pendleton. 00:50:51
Umm $22.00 an hour I've I've. 00:50:55
I've toured the jail recently, I've toured M Triple C and I'm telling you right now, guys. 00:50:58
I would not wanna work there. 00:51:03
OK and $22.00 an hour. 00:51:05
Of finance and if it happened at our jail, umm, and if if they need to be paid back, that is not. 00:51:41
I just a strong advocate that this needs to be done. 00:51:46
And I don't see how we can reduce that. 00:51:49
Umm with putting the jail back in and into this matrix and putting M triple C on the same salary as umm what the jail's at. I 00:52:27
still wanna have the same budget line that you guys are at as far as the budget goes. I was able to get people up to $34,000 at 00:52:32
least. 00:52:37
And like I said, there's many departments that are greater than that. Umm, Some of the things that I, some of the things that I 00:52:42
did differently than what you did. Umm, for one, Umm. 00:52:47
The Commissioner's budget. Umm, I know. 00:52:56
A year ago, before this, last year, we had appropriated $4 million into the insurance fund. Umm, I am a little frustrated that, 00:52:59
you know, this last year we appropriated $5.4 million and just last month the Commissioner came and transferred money out of that 00:53:04
insurance line item to pay for other things. 00:53:10
If money is gonna be appropriated into the insurance line item, it needs to stay in the insurance and we need to be building that 00:53:16
fund up. Being self insured, we need to build the insurance fund up and utilizing that as a flush fund to pay for other things 00:53:21
that come up is not the way to do it. 00:53:26
Umm, I would really like to see a resolution of some sort that whenever money is appropriated into that line item stays within the 00:53:32
insurance budget and at the end of the year. 00:53:36
UH, whatever's left in that fund that they transfer that and I think they transferred $450,000 a month into that that insurance 00:53:40
fund with a pay claim at the end of the year. If there's money leftover in that fund, then that money should go into the Madison 00:53:46
County reserve insurance fund. Does it not do that? It already does that. I understand that, Rob, but. 00:53:52
Last month they used some of that money to pay for other things. 00:53:59
And it should only be utilized for the insurance. 00:54:03
We need to build it up. 00:54:06
And my thought process. 00:54:08
I reduced that down to $5,000,000. I know our claims are a little bit lower this year than the last year and you never know what's 00:54:11
gonna happen from year to year, but I believe that any money that comes back to the general fund, the last year we had $2,000,000 00:54:15
that came back to the general fund. 00:54:19
And I don't think it's gonna be that this year, but I think that we'll definitely have $400,000 that we could put instead of in 00:54:24
the rainy day. Let's put it into that insurance plan and start building that up. Likewise, I know the, I know the umm, the core 00:54:29
umm, the core umm. 00:54:34
Not a thing here. I know the auditor did at least one and I know, umm, the juvenile center reduced employees and that's saving US 00:54:40
money on the insurance line. And that was almost $400,000 just alone. And that's that that's averaging $25,000 for each employee. 00:54:48
So I think that's that's doable and at the end of the day if we, if we have a problem like I said, I think we need to take that 00:54:56
reserve and put it in there so that we can pull and draw from that. 00:55:01
Another thing, I've got an issue with, umm, the call center. And I own a call center. I've talked extensively with Jenny and I 00:55:06
will tell you on the very big advocate of our call center. It is a nucleus of Madison County and it's what keeps our fleets and 00:55:13
our fire protected every day. It keeps their citizens protected and it is, it is a crucial purpose of our our public safety. 00:55:19
Umm, there has been an issue with that that call center and the funding in that call Center for over three years. 00:55:27
And it still has not been res. 00:55:33
You know, the reality of it is the statute changed. 00:55:36
You can't force the other municipalities. 00:55:41
And to say, OK, well, we're gonna be short for $100,000 next year, so now we have to up that money. What are you gonna do when 00:55:44
nobody wants to pay? 00:55:48
Are we just gonna keep funding it? 00:55:52
I mean, these are things that should have been addressed 2 years ago, three years ago. 00:55:54
Umm, 2 years ago, you guys all talked about a public safety test, but there was absolutely no discussion whatsoever on that public 00:55:59
safety tax about maybe we need to look at what we're gonna do with our Health Center. So yes, there was. Well, you know what? 00:56:05
There was. And that's also another branch of government that has been actively working on. 00:56:12
Renowned contracts sorting through and negotiating all of that that's not what the County Council does. We we decide what we can 00:56:19
fund and and just to be clear if if everyone else stopped paying I don't believe we have to continue to offer the service to 00:56:25
everyone else. So those municipality would have to find no I, I, I I did check into that so it would be much more costly for all 00:56:32
those other UH townships uh cities to create their own dispatch centers so. 00:56:39
We unfortunately at this point have to continue to allow the commissioners to work through UH, the process of working with the, 00:56:46
the leaders of those other other municipalities. Well, I'm just gonna say that it might be in their their umm their budget that 00:56:52
line item is, but we're expecting to fund it. 00:56:57
So it should be also part of our concern is how that's gonna be funded and that's why we're setting aside in public safety for 00:57:03
unknown. 00:57:07
Public safety. I understand why you're doing that, and I'm OK with that. 00:57:13
Umm, but I'm telling you. 00:57:16
Cut it by $200,000. I cut. Well by $200,000 I did. I did cut it into $200,000 And the reason I said that was from 5.4 to 5 00:57:19
million. And I did it again. And I just explained to you why about saving that money. I just explained to you why. 00:57:27
Vipuct. 00:57:36
I just explained that to pay you for, you know, salaries, jail salaries. No, not just jail salaries and sheriff salaries. I went 00:57:39
through the budget and I made sure that everyone as much as possible, there's very few that are below the $34,000 threshold. And 00:57:44
it's important that we give them there. They can't. I mean, you're talking about doing a 5% increase on the $33,000 income and 00:57:50
that's about a $1200 increase for a year. That is, that is ridiculous. 00:57:56
That is insulting. 00:58:02
I would be so frustrated if I was an employee making that, that that's not important. And not only that, Rob, looking at your 00:58:04
budget, there were several line items of places where they got a 20% increase. One employee here got a 20% increase. This employee 00:58:09
here gets another 20%. 00:58:14
Why are we doing that? Oh, I think you said on the, I mean mid year those rates there, there were some raises that went through 00:58:20
mid year that were upwards of 20% because they were so low Rob. That's why they were there. But at the end of the day, but on top 00:58:26
of that, on top of that you went and gave another 5% increase. 00:58:32
So almost everybody that got a salary increase and I don't think that that was necessarily a good move. The whole point of doing 00:58:38
the salary increases during the middle of the year was to encourage department heads. 00:58:43
To get a hard look at. 00:58:48
And to start really budgeting what they really need. 00:58:50
Umm, but. But we asked that our we asked through that process is, are these raises going to be considered for? And we never got an 00:58:53
answer. Nobody from the council ever. We asked what I thought about that and I told you what I thought about that. 00:59:00
You one person? Yeah. We never said apology. I never really got much of A response as a collect. 00:59:08
Uh, putting the budget together. We never talked about it during our workshop. I I, I think if we, I think we have to also. 00:59:16
Remember two things. One, we can't fix every issue. 00:59:23
In. 00:59:27
One cycle, one budget cycle, because there's just simply not enough money to do that. But two, we're we're. 00:59:28
Dealing with an employee UH group that for 10 years or more hardly saw a raise at all and. 00:59:35
There are so many positions in county government that are so underfunded, so underpaid, where lucky people. 00:59:44
Selling exposition. So some of these larger increases we're gonna try to fix years worth of underpayment, years worth of lack of 00:59:51
raises that should have gotten that person up to a fair and equitable wage for the year 2023. 00:59:58
But because the the finances wouldn't allow the council to do that or the councils in the past chose other other avenues. 01:00:06
We now over the last few years have been stuck with trying to figure out ways, umm, serenity, so a decade going problem or more. 01:00:14
And so I think in this budget we've been able to do that in, in a lot of cases at the same time, umm, being able to, uh, at least 01:00:21
do a 5% increase in many positions even if we couldn't completely correct that issue or that's hey uh, in this budget cycle we're 01:00:27
getting a whole lot closer and we're at least able because of Pruitt leveraging over the last few years and good decisions that 01:00:33
have been made. 01:00:39
Our county governments in a financial position now to where we can actually start working on fixing the problem. 01:00:46
I wish we could fix it all in one budget cycle, but that's just not reality. 01:00:54
We should. 01:01:00
Be honest and transparent that. 01:01:02
This is and and for a lot of accounting employees that have been around for a while, this is a very significant improvement and 01:01:04
and compensation. 01:01:08
For county employees compared to what they've seen in over the last decade or so, I mean there's there's I think the largest pay 01:01:13
increase was 3% a couple of years back prior to that there was a 1% pay increase. 01:01:19
And I believe that's it for 10 years. 01:01:27
So. 01:01:30
The 5% may not be quite enough, but it's a whole lot better than nothing, and it's a whole lot better than 1%. 01:01:32
Or things moving in the right direction. Well, I think that's easy to say if you're not making $33,000 a year. 01:01:38
Right. 01:01:45
I'd like to. You guys aren't gonna hate me for this. 01:01:46
Point of order. 01:01:51
Miss Kowalski answer. You guys are violating the open door while getting ready to. 01:01:53
You have to do every budget cut and go over it in public. 01:01:58
You have to and I've been advised by state. 01:02:02
Attorney Rokita's office on down to several county. 01:02:06
And you have to do public. 01:02:10
Hey you guys proposed a budget at workshops. 01:02:12
You advertise it and you have to do by law. How long, Council member? Because this is not just me. This is very professional. 01:02:15
You're asking the wrong question of these folks. 01:02:20
I'm I'm asking. You're asking about budget cuts. This is not budget cuts. We're creating a budget. 2 totally different things. I'm 01:02:25
sure I'm trying to compete. You presented. Hold on. I got that. I want to finish please. You present. You presented the budget at 01:02:31
workshops. 01:02:37
You advertise the Quest budget request, whatever. We have workshops we heard and and we've done over this before Councilman 01:02:43
Vaughn. And it's been clarified before and what you're alleging is completely inaccurate. And I think that maybe this would be an 01:02:49
appropriate time, UH, if the council president would like for attorney to address it. Yes, I really would because my understanding 01:02:54
is. 01:03:00
I'm not sure if I followed the question fully. I am completely unaware of how the council could violate open door law during an 01:03:09
open meeting. So I don't think you're in any violation. You're in an open meeting. You're following the rules right now. The 01:03:16
budget last month when we were here was introduced and proposed, umm, so that's the budget that was formulated under. 01:03:23
36 to 4 sixes right around there. The auditor prepared it. It was introduced, There was a public hearing. That was all done 01:03:32
according to statute. 01:03:36
This is the second reading. According to the law, you have to have two readings. This is the second reading of it. There's been no 01:03:41
budget cuts made. Umm. 01:03:45
Apart from what was advertised at the last meeting, that's what I mean. 01:03:52
Because there wasn't a budget yet, and we've explained it's not a budget. You have to do all the budget cuts. What you advertise 01:03:59
in public, what you're cutting down to, I don't understand. I've heard from several state officials. 01:04:06
AIC directors I I don't understand and I'm watching online what other candidates have done. I don't understand Microsoft 01:04:13
different. 01:04:16
If you present a. 01:04:20
You advertise at the workshop, you present that they go behind closed doors. Ken reported on that a year ago. Our newspaper got. 01:04:22
Your Your budget wasn't presented until last month. 01:04:31
When it was introduced. 01:04:34
Budget workshops are not the presentation of the budget. That's the formulation and that's the process we go through to start to 01:04:35
formulate. It was introduced last month. There was a public hearing as required by statute last month. 01:04:41
If there have been suggested changes, like Counselor Nordic has uh suggested changes, those would have to be UH amended. You have 01:04:47
to amend the current budget and you have to be a motion and then to amend that UH budget and that would amend the budget. 01:04:54
But you had an introduction last month. 01:05:02
What is currently in front of the Council right now over the same budget? 01:05:05
No, it is not. It is different because it's it's it's a couple $1,000,000 less than what the original budget was. 01:05:13
I don't have that and. 01:05:20
The 43 to lower the amount that was advertised at the last meeting. So that to me is considered a cut in a for in order for us to 01:05:26
make those those changes within that budget that was advertised a month ago, we should have to do that in the public and that's 01:05:32
what I'm proposing well doing, I don't think you can do it. 01:05:39
Go through and show where you may build budget cuts or those changes. 01:05:46
It's not a presented yes. It is no. You're presenting a budget last meeting. 01:05:51
Since then, I have received 2 emails changing that with no explanation of what you did. I had to put them up on my screen side by 01:05:56
side, and go by line on my line and see what you think. What's the difference between what, Mrs. Norris, I need to go over that. 01:06:02
If we're even looking at it, we need to discuss it. You just presented this. 01:06:08
New budget that you've changed twice and you're trying to pass it off to the same budget you presented last meeting, and that is a 01:06:14
violation of open door. 01:06:18
Wha who are working on this right now? Because it was not. It was not me who made these changes. Mr. Gale and I worked with the. 01:06:23
And and and everybody council president did ask everybody to. 01:06:33
Submit their their input to the auditor's office. Umm, and very few people did that. 01:06:38
Uh. Any input that was presented was was uh. 01:06:44
Look into and. 01:06:49
But with all due respect, Councilman Gale, this is the county budget. The auditor is done when he publishes the budget. 01:06:51
And he sets dates to advertise a budget. This is 7 members of the council. 01:06:58
This is the reason why some of the count. I don't understand this what I'm right along on the logs and I'm not a lawyer. Why is 01:07:04
other counties do it in extreme and online which think guys are doing cargo law on 25 you got to stream it. 01:07:10
Why is that? They do budget cuts in several other counties. Here's Madison County we do, and we wonder why we don't get ahead of 01:07:17
anything. 01:07:19
The public should know it's their tax month. There's absolutely no discussion on this council whatsoever about this budget. 01:07:23
And you know, I I I emailed you my suggestion, but I would have loved some feedback. 01:07:32
Umm, from you guys, Anybody? 01:07:37
Uh, as far as you know, this isn't gonna work. And here's why or why did you do this or that. There was absolutely no feedback. 01:07:39
Instead, three members went in that with the auditor did your own little budget, and this is what you're presenting tonight. And 01:07:44
I'm not in favor of that budget. And I think there needs to be some public comment, and I think the employees deserve a right to 01:07:50
know what you're proposing. 01:07:55
And if that takes all night, I'm OK with that. What's the difference with you working with other council members? I didn't work 01:08:02
with any other council members. No, none. I did it on my own. You met with after I got done, I emailed it to Mikhail. I emailed 01:08:07
everyone of you guys. 01:08:12
Mattel asked me a couple of questions about it. Stephanie asked me a couple questions about it. You called me today. I talked to 01:08:17
you. There was no discussion about it, but I told you exactly in my budget. Why? Why? 01:08:23
And I am willing to sit down now and go over every person's budget in here as what I was proposing and why I proposed what I did. 01:08:30
Because it needs to be public. I for one, didn't go over your budget. I'll be honest, because I got, uh, at least 8 phone calls 01:08:37
from nearly panicked umm uh, department heads or elected officials. 01:08:43
So the idea I looked over. 01:09:20
And I did contact the manager's office because I knew. 01:09:24
So we couldn't. 01:09:28
In your original you had moved the 1.2 on the commissioners above the public safety and I will get back to you today. Yes, today I 01:09:30
received. 01:09:35
So the last, the last budget I received from you, you had UH 1.2 million and I went in, talk to rig, talked to Todd. 01:09:41
Is this even possible? No, it's not possible. It's cash flow, everything. Bonds. Not gonna work. I didn't receive your other ideas 01:09:49
until 11:30 today. Well, you should have got it last. 01:09:54
Umm, And I did that in order to be able to get the jail up. That was the $22.00 and M triple C up to $22.00. 01:10:30
And and we do have there. There were I I know that you couldn't get everybody. 01:10:37
To the salary that you. 01:10:43
And there's none of them are to the salary at once. Well, none. None exactly, but. 01:10:45
Not not everyone is to the salary that you want. Not everyone is the salary that I want. 01:10:52
But there are discrepancies because. 01:10:57
You you did give the raises to people who did receive raises. 01:11:00
I did. You know I did. Then they would have gotten more. Yes. I'm just. I'm just. 01:11:06
Please. You you were. With all due respect, it's OK. 01:11:10
With all due respect. 01:11:18
You made it sound as if you didn. 01:11:21
And some of us who worked. 01:11:24
Just give raises more than the 5%, but you did give an individual a raise, a couple actually who did get one during the year and I 01:11:27
know that, you know that, but I just for full transparency, I just wanted to mention that. And that's why I want to go over the 01:11:34
budget now as well as the reason I did that Diana, is because after receiving your guys budget on Friday, I realized that you had 01:11:42
given umm well some people didn't even get a 5% increase. Umm Mr. Kidder got a 300. I think dollar increase was all he got on his. 01:11:50
Wanting his money to go down to his staff and when we met with him. 01:12:01
That's what he told us. So we some some people gave, listen to them, gave the raise or the 5% or what they asked for. Some people 01:12:06
based it on merit. 01:12:11
And I think that's important too because we didn't try to micromanage you know all the department heads. We really if we spoke, I 01:12:17
spoke with several. I don't, I didn't speak with everybody. I spoke with several that I had questions about their budget and many 01:12:23
of them. 01:12:28
Hey, what about this? This person didn't know. I'll tell you what I've done is I've taken duties away or I've done this or this. 01:12:34
We've agreed on it. It's fine. So personally I feel like the department head should be able to manage his or her budget according. 01:12:41
And if some if they didn't require, if they didn't request a raise for themselves, didn't want one, then why should we change that 01:12:48
for themselves? That was just my opinion. Well, that might be the case in a couple, yes. 01:12:55
55% increases as well. 01:13:04
Thompson Still, I'd like. 01:13:07
Talk, whatever, I don't. I don't wanna overrule them. 01:13:09
Just give me a chance to speak when they're done. 01:13:12
Are you guys done? I just didn't want to rush you. 01:13:16
This is the third year I've been on this council. 01:13:21
I've said in. 01:13:30
Good. 01:13:33
Before I would start that how many people I get an e-mail from the auditor. 01:13:34
I think it's supposed to be set. So how many people met with the council members through this budget? I know Jody worked on it. I 01:13:39
asked her a few questions. How many members did this other proposed budget of this one? 01:13:44
Councilman Gale still, and you met with the author. 01:13:51
How many meetings took place through a bunch of meetings that we we collectively took some action items. Seeing what you get with 01:13:54
this UH department you get with that let's feed it back. What can they live with. But I didn't get anything because I'm the one to 01:14:00
work with. I mean I think if I sent emails to everybody and said. 01:14:06
That constitutes a meeting. This is nor extending. 01:14:13
Uh, her proposed budget. I don't know if that falls under open door asking for comment herself. I did not ask for comment when I 01:14:19
sent it. You just said you wanted feedback. That's why you didn't get. It would have been nice to get some feedback from the 01:14:23
president of the council. 01:14:27
As to what I had presented and why it did or did not work. 01:14:33
I'm not talking about feedback from every other company. OK, well, this the same way. It's been done the last two years. Now this 01:14:36
is the third year Public has no idea. 01:14:41
I have a lot to do respect for Mr. Kowalski. 01:14:47
He's a great. 01:14:49
But we're gonna disagree. 01:14:51
I haven't answered your question. Oh well. Anyway, here, here, here's the thing. 01:14:53
We've been falling back behind on raises. I've got a list last year at immigrant with me of 1% raise discussion every year on 01:15:00
here, 1% raises in this, in this and that and and not very good races. 01:15:06
How can you explain to the employees and the taxpayers of this county you got $10.5 million in a rainy day fund, 21 million as 01:15:14
ARPA? 01:15:18
I want to explain it. I'm just saying to the people with this perception. 01:15:23
Where we're giving we can't. Uh, also customer every two years you do the same budget, right? They they came up with your formula 01:15:27
budget, right, right everything. 01:15:31
So they just got a healthy raise. 01:15:37
Now we're gonna follow a dollar short in the way you guys wanna do it? 01:15:39
We have a national trend of people work from home but they can't do to gel staff. 01:15:44
#2 01:15:48
People wanna go to four days of work week. 01:15:51
So we're agreeing with a lot of things with. 01:15:53
The type of work they're doing inside the jail with mental patients, this is not criminal anymore. 01:15:55
The worst The worst Dangerous job in the. 01:16:02
And you're saying they're not worth the dollar? This young lady, I'm gonna call her. 01:16:05
So that, uh, that lady's got hard, she's gonna quit. 01:16:12
What you guys better? What appreciation we're showing and then you're gonna give some raises. 01:16:16
In the auditor's. 01:16:21
Some of those people are making more necessary office. That's a level 2. 01:16:23
And there's no certification needed over there. 01:16:27
It's the Saint Gregor St. right? This is why we need to get to serious meetings. 01:16:32
In Carroll County, they met three days in a row. That way, we each appointed budget. Hey, maybe we should do this. Maybe we should 01:16:37
do this. 01:16:40
3rd. 01:16:44
You guys met with the auditor? 01:16:46
He did his job. He presented the budget. 01:16:49
He advertised the. 01:16:52
Now I've been told by several officials. 01:16:55
I won't say this shut up if this pastors and I have found a junction with the Circuit Court and get an injunction. And I promise 01:16:57
you I gotta turn his way and they're watching. 01:17:01
You're better on the wall. 01:17:06
Because we do. 01:17:08
There's no communication. This is the point I'm trying to get across. 01:17:12
Point of. 01:17:19
I'm I'm saying is I I don't. Here's Madison County. We do this stuff thing every year. We do the same stuff. 01:17:21
You can see some people don't even care. 01:17:28
You wanna have a workshop meeting? 01:17:31
And even when I go with the other work on the budget, it should be working with the council and have it in the public where your 01:17:34
taxpayers and employees know what's going on. 01:17:38
You may cut to the budget. 01:17:42
And I guess you know, I I I I don't understand. 01:17:44
Hi. You're saying you got money up for now if we never catch up? 01:17:47
The jail. 01:17:52
And the MCC have put in. 01:17:53
And honor the people that's been here for a while. We don't have too many employees left the center. They all jump ship. And I'm 01:17:56
telling you guys passed this tonight, you're going to be answering. 01:18:00
While people are leaving this county. 01:18:05
You've got some people, you have raises last year in there. It's not fair. 01:18:07
It's not fair. 01:18:12
Now I've been on 2 bargaining committees. 01:18:16
So and and listen, I've had police call me. I'm not playing politics with people's money. 01:18:19
I don't want it fair for everyone. I've stated this the last two years. It's the same way. 01:18:24
And I'm telling. 01:18:28
It's not right. 01:18:31
You go work in the jail, probably. No, you wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do it. I work at a poop fan. I wouldn't make $30 over. I 01:18:33
wouldn't go over there. 01:18:36
At least them to a competitive way. We got the state facilities Omega 22. 01:18:41
You've got now I talk. Chefs get over their work. Now he's pushed for 22, Hamilton's 22. 01:18:47
Now if we let this go and you guys pass your budget. 01:18:53
21. 01:18:56
And the state is they do theirs. And here is a bigger gap. 01:18:57
And how are we supposed to honor those employees to stay? 01:19:00
So you're right here. It's disrespecting her. 01:19:04
While she went through. This ain't right. We have the money. How are we ever gonna catch it up? We have a little bit of money now 01:19:07
we need. 01:19:10
Mr. President, yes, Sir, I would just like to point out. 01:19:13
We've heard. 01:19:19
Reggae funds from members of this Council. 01:19:20
And our performance from this council and we've heard it from office holders and elected officials. 01:19:23
That we're sitting on $10 million on a regime fund and they act like it's a crime that we're doing with that. 01:19:29
Uh, that we should be using for pay rates. 01:19:36
I gotta tell you, one of the most reckless things this council could ever do is take one time money. 01:19:38
And you have a pay raise with it. Because guess what? Next year we gotta pay for that. The year after, the year after. The year 01:19:45
after we gotta pay for that. You cannot use one time revenue to get pay raises, not to mention. 01:19:50
Uh, you saw the graph and chart up here, uh, over the time where we had I think 38,000 dollars, $39,000 in our radiative fund, 01:19:58
36,000, even lower. 01:20:02
What's going on? 01:20:07
We're supposed to. 01:20:10
20 to 25%. 01:20:12
Of our annual budget in our 80 day fund, I mean that's the recommendations that we're getting from numerous different 01:20:14
organizations and oversight organizations, uh, which is not where we are. We're finally there. 01:20:19
I've taken a lot of hard work to get it there. 01:20:25
But we cannot look at this. 01:20:28
This one time revenue money to give pay raises is impossible to do. Uh, about nearly 60% of our budget if you look at pie up here. 01:20:31
In the words of my. 01:20:40
Old friend Fred Reese, the pine going. 01:20:42
60%, nine percent of our budget is our is going towards public safety. 01:20:45
That leaves us 40 to 41% for every other agency here. And like then I got called. I didn't hear from 8:00 I called, I got from 5 01:20:52
different departments that were kind of panicked over some of the suggestions that were being made for their budgets. Uh, that 01:20:57
they would not be able to operate with what was being suggested. 01:21:02
There's. 01:21:10
$43.5 million no matter how we benefit. 01:21:11
No matter how we divide that up. 01:21:14
You can only do what you can do with the money that you have available. 01:21:17
We've taken some pretty big bites at the apple this year with mid year raises. 01:21:21
Uh, with some reductions in personnel. 01:21:27
Umm, and again the 5% rate coming across the board, I would. 01:21:30
To give everybody a 20% raise. 01:21:36
But then you have to ask, where does the money come from? 01:21:38
This council is not sitting on a big pile of endless money and just being a bunch of mean folks that don't wanna give. 01:21:41
I'm a pro public safety as they get. I've been a policeman now for 31 years. 01:21:48
Still sleeping. 01:21:52
And I agree. I told the jail staff. I've told the folks over in triple. 01:21:55
I wouldn't want your job. 01:22:00
I don't wanna go to work over there. 01:22:02
Yeah, I appreciate that. There are people that are stepping up new in that. 01:22:04
We cannot fix this in one year. We cannot do. 01:22:08
We were able to give a substantial raise this year until the. 01:22:11
Hopefully next year we can concentrate on M, Triple C and a few others. 01:22:15
Uh, but we have to do this in stages. We can't do it all at once. And to get to the point where we're gonna take. 01:22:19
From other departments to where they can't even function, they still have a responsibility for the citizens of this county. 01:22:27
To provide. 01:22:32
So our taxpayer is not here. We have to fund them appropriately so that they can provide those services. Each and every office has 01:22:34
a service that they provide. 01:22:38
And it would be unfair, it would, it would be immoral for us just until the point where they could not provide the services. 01:22:42
Citizens with. 01:22:48
So again, is this budget perfect? No, it's nowhere near perfect. 01:22:50
It's 5% enough for employees? Absolutely it is not. 01:22:55
1st we can only do what we can do. There's $43.5 million. 01:22:59
We have come up with a. 01:23:05
Uh, division of of that? 01:23:09
Take care of what we can take care of. This year. We prioritized, we looked at it and again, those folks that got the big piece of 01:23:13
the pie this year. 01:23:16
So we're going to look at the folks that smaller pieces next year, but we gotta do. 01:23:20
Year after year and continually be chasing after it. We can't do it all in one year. 01:23:25
Thank you, Anthony. I agree with you 100% on a lot of what you said and I agree that we do need a rainy day fund. It's important 01:23:29
and I'm not looking at saying that we should be utilizing those funds to salaries. 01:23:34
Because it is not something that we can sustain. I get that. What I don't understand is when we're doing. 01:23:40
For people that are making 67 to $80,000 a year in this community, and I get it, you've got degrees and you should get paid more 01:23:48
for that, but when you're giving them more than a 5% increase? 01:23:53
And then you got somebody down here that's making $32,000 a year and all we're giving them is 5. 01:23:58
That is not fair. 01:24:04
That is not. 01:24:06
To those employees that are making that low the salary. 01:24:07
Umm, through your personnel committee. I mean that that ought to be something that we formulate through the beginning of the year. 01:24:44
So that come budget time, that's one of our goals to do and we build that into the budget up front. Umm, that is something that I 01:24:50
was able to fix. 01:24:54
Uh, I I Jody. 01:24:59
Yes, I did and and I got the calls. I got no fewer than 11:50 calls from the budget star UH department heads. 01:25:02
Where you were micromanaging their budget, cutting their budget to pay for others and and that just wasn't gonna work. 01:25:12
I don't feel that I was micromanaging and I was trying to have an educated conversation with the parking head about their spending 01:25:20
and whether or not they could make it on less than what they're asking for. 01:25:25
Because at the end of the day, Rob, if we don't start reallocating some of our funds within the budget, you're never gonna make 01:25:30
any changes. 01:25:34
Your your large departments are always gonna get the most. 01:25:37
Uh, your large paid people are always gonna get more than the low paid people. 01:25:41
I mean. 01:25:46
I'm sorry if I offended, but uh, department heads I I apologize if I offend offended then that was not my goal. My goal was merely 01:25:47
to be able to get some of the lower paid people up to where they need to be. 01:25:52
To make sure that our policy works, but we don't address anything. When? When are we gonna talk about this budget? When are we 01:25:58
gonna go over this budget that you 3 proposed? Yeah. 01:26:03
I mean, tonight all you wanted, wanted to really do was. 01:26:09
Let's vote on it. 01:26:13
And you're not gonna talk about the different different departments and what you've done with these departments because when I 01:26:14
looked at your budget, Rob, it was the average that you did for most of the spending for a lot, Yes. I mean, yeah, because we're 01:26:19
not. I mean, we've looked at average spending and and looking at it for the third year, some of you for 4-5, eight years, close to 01:26:24
umm. 01:26:29
Inducing trends and that you kind of get a feel for what departments Uh, this is your first first go through it. I know you spent 01:26:36
a lot of time with it an exceptional amount of time. But I can't say it was perfect. I don't think ours is. I know it's not 01:26:44
perfect. I have no idea. I there's no budget that's perfect because the time you pass. 01:26:51
Things. 01:26:59
Well, all I know is that I don't think we took care of the low paid employees in your budget. 01:27:00
Umm, I don't think a 1012 hundred dollar increase for an employee is when they're at $37,000. It's just not adequate. And when you 01:27:05
got somebody making. 01:27:09
7080 thousand dollars and plus we're getting money out of surplus funds. There's a couple of departments that have additional 01:27:13
funding that they pay some salaries out of the raises. 01:27:18
And and yeah, we talked. 01:27:23
About that that you could take that on as a personnel committee looking at umm depart not department head but elected officials 01:27:24
page and the supplemental funds. I know you wanted to address that during the budget cycle, but I think it was a little past due 01:27:30
we talked about that. 01:27:36
Sorry, go ahead, go ahead. Each year there's always the question if we think we're going to have some money to give raises, uh, 01:27:43
whether we end up having that or not, the the question is still there. UH, if we're giving raises, is it better to do a percentage 01:27:48
across the board, everyone gets the same percentage. 01:27:53
Or do we look at the jobs and a competitive wage for those different positions? And one thing we've been hearing routinely from a 01:27:59
lot of department heads, a lot of our elected officials, is that certain departments are in an extremely difficult time, uh, 01:28:05
hiring and maintaining employees because they're way, way, way below any kind of competitive market rate. And that's something 01:28:11
we've heard from the prosecutor's office. And you know, if you're paying two departments, if you're paying a prosecuting attorney 01:28:17
$50,000 a year. 01:28:23
That's gonna be really hard with a 5% raise to get that to a point where you're going to be able to fill that position or maintain 01:28:31
someone in that position. So we have to look at certain positions and and focus on getting, umm. 01:28:38
Up to a competitive wage so that they can actually hire people in those positions and provide those services. And so that's one 01:28:47
thing that that in some departments we've been able to do with this proposed budget, umm, but while doing that also being able to 01:28:53
do it across the board, uh pay raise for uh other positions, umm again? 01:28:59
It. 01:29:07
The vast majority of our employees will make more money in 24 than what they've ever made here. Uh, working here with this budget. 01:29:08
Umm, and. 01:29:13
Yeah, all of them. I believe in unless we had somebody saying no, this, this position doesn't need a raise or I don't need a raise 01:29:20
or something like that. Unless we have that. I believe everybody else Mm-hmm. Had some, some type of a raise factor in. Umm. 01:29:28
I believe it's very fair and I believe it's very realistic and I believe that sometimes it's difficult to be in this position 01:29:36
where you do have to say certain positions. 01:29:40
Umm are gonna require a bit more funding, uh, for those jobs to be filled and those jobs to be done for the taxpayers, UMM, and 01:29:45
and across the board. 01:29:50
Pay raise doesn't doesn't always fix the. 01:29:55
When it's been 10 years or so of. 01:29:58
Uh, wages have lagged and and not then been adjusted. 01:30:01
I I don't know how any of us can sit up here and say, I mean, looking at these hard numbers since Friday and looking at 2 budgets 01:30:08
here proposed, I thought we were gonna come here and discuss it today. 01:30:14
Uh, we are discussing right now. Yeah, but let me check, let let let me check Counseling. Let me open up the state of Indiana for 01:30:20
it. Carroll County got $9.2 million load. That took them three days to hash out the whole budget of public meetings. 01:30:26
You guys wanna come in here, do your little meetings back there and just pass the budget? 01:30:33
Now hold on, I'm sorry, I'll give you the I I I'm saying it is I see some of these employees got right. Remember we cut positions 01:30:37
the auditors office some other positions and then we we gave raises right in their budget. We all agreed that we did that. 01:30:44
But you're saying it's fair, but you're telling these jail people and MCC people that's making a dollar under a competitive wages 01:30:52
around us? 01:30:56
You've got more people in the auditor. 01:31:00
You still have no cubific. 01:31:03
I got people at center's office has to have certification by state statute. 01:31:05
And then I got them. General offic. 01:31:11
And MCC dealing with mental people getting crazy every day that every time they wrestle them, we don't know what they wrestle. 01:31:14
And you're telling me this is fair? 01:31:22
When there's no. 01:31:25
And then it it it lets you go to session and any other these people should be front of the line. 01:31:27
Alright. 01:31:34
Maybe it's a dangerous every day. So how can you say it's fair? I I don't. I don't think you think about taxpayers. You lose. They 01:31:35
have an alternate proposal. I I, I. 01:31:39
You're you're that's the problem with the dynamic. 01:31:47
All the services that we provide, everybody can make the case for their employees or additional services, but prioritize public 01:31:50
safety. 01:31:54
Of the job. What would you rather do? Auditor's office or jail? You know, the honors Office. I I think. I think you need to be 01:32:00
careful, Councilman Vaughn, because there are people in the auditor's office doing accounting work doing doing things that that 01:32:07
require a lot of skill a lot of experience. And they deserve and and they and and they just and and and and they deserve. 01:32:14
They deserve to be compensated. 01:32:23
Just like any other employee does and again we're acting, we're, we're acting as if. 01:32:26
People in public safety aren't getting an increase. 01:32:33
People in public safety are getting an increase, a more significant increase, especially when you add in some of the mid year 01:32:35
raises that were done as well. Umm then then what they've gotten in years? 01:32:40
And so, yes, maybe we can't fix it all in one year. 01:32:46
But we're making headway and so I think for you to represent it in some, uh other fashion, umm, it's just inaccurate. And I think 01:32:50
we're putting up Smokescreen Councilman. No, I I don't think so. I do. I I I just, I've been listening to this. What 01:32:56
recommendations did you? 01:33:02
To find the money to give to them. 01:33:09
What cuts did you make? From what departments? Do you want an open meeting? Tell us what cuts did you make to what department? And 01:33:12
Councilman N, I'm asking you, you're the one that kept saying you keep complaining that you don't offer any solutions. I'm just 01:33:16
saying, what have you made? One recommendation for one. 01:33:21
Here's what missed me. 01:33:28
Maybe counseling aren't getting she's a freshman. 01:33:34
How much? How much time he has spent on I've been a lot. I did, I did. 01:33:37
Every year I spent. 01:33:43
Again, what recommendation have you made? My recommendation was to keep our employees to put the matrix instrument. 01:33:45
Didn't you agree with that? If we could find the money, where's the money? Well, how do you tell my counselor? Well, Minard has a 01:33:51
budget right under your budget. Guy's budget. Now switch. Appeal to communication to be around. She had a matrix underneath the 43 01:33:56
Five. She did, but other agencies call other departments calling us, saying that they couldn't operate on the budget that was 01:34:01
presented. 01:34:06
So I'm asking you, you keep saying that you wanna give the public safety people a raise? 01:34:11
So much, very fast you come up with it. 01:34:16
You're a council member, come up with. 01:34:19
But every year it's the same thing. He'll complain and never offers. 01:34:21
How are you leaving, Anthony? The first budget that I sent out, my operating expenses from the department was greater than 01:34:27
anything that you guys put up for three months for Polish. And when I did do it, the only reason I was able to do that is if I 01:34:33
moved the call center into the public safety, I moved it back. And another thing I'm really, I'm adamantly against is the council 01:34:38
does not need a raise. 01:34:44
And neither do the commissioners, our commissioners, our part time employees and they are making more than most of our full time 01:34:50
employees and I don't think that's right. 01:34:54
We are public servants and we don't need. 01:34:59
And that raises in in your budget for both departments, and I think that is wrong. 01:35:03
Matter fact, I think we probably should take a budget cut on what we. 01:35:08
We still have a ship made more than $1000 a month. That's why are we making so much. 01:35:12
You know, I'm just saying that we don't need a raise, we don't need an increase from what we're already making. 01:35:17
And the original budget that I have. 01:35:23
Their operating lines were a lot more generous than what they are now in the budget that you proposed. And so I kept a lot of 01:35:25
those operating lines the same from what your budget was. I actually took your budget and put the Matrix back in, and the only two 01:35:30
places that I made severe cuts and I already told you where those were. 01:35:35
With our insurance line item, which I'm not saying we're not gonna fund it. 01:35:41
We can still fund it with the surplus that we have in this county. And the other place was the 200,000 in the call center, because 01:35:45
that contract that needs to be worked on used public safety money too. Not anymore. I didn't. 01:35:51
If you look, I didn't even touch the public safety money. I did not touch the public safety money. I left your budget the way it 01:35:57
was. What? Would she send it out at 11:30 at night? What do you expect me to do? Wake up, I don't think. How many times did you 01:36:02
get today? How did you get out of bed? 01:36:06
I did not. I took it back out of public safety. I haven't talked to the public safety presence. You know, I I think that obviously 01:36:16
there's a lot of opinions and and there's going to be umm varying degrees of of uh thoughts and feelings and and umm about this, 01:36:22
but I don't really feel like. 01:36:28
The conversation right now is going anywhere productive. Umm. 01:36:34
If people wanna make it there, there's a motion in the second on the table. If people wanna make amendments to that, umm, if we 01:36:39
need to discuss with our, our legal counsel about our process or any of those things, I would encourage us to do that. But I think 01:36:43
that we can all. 01:36:48
Have varying degrees of disagreement but still be productive and respectful in our conversation. And we can still get a budget 01:36:53
passed tonight. Umm so that we don't revert back to the previous year's budget because that would be the most, uh, devastating 01:36:59
thing for our employees. Umm possible. And it would create a mess. Uh next year. Uh for us and for the auditor's office. So umm, I 01:37:06
mean everyone's had some time to voice their their concerns. Umm can we be productive and either make motions to amend have have 01:37:12
some some productive. 01:37:18
Questions. 01:37:25
And then decide what we're gonna do. 01:37:27
Has everybody done making comments? 01:37:29
Does anybody got what they say because I make a motion on him. 01:37:32
That we put the matrix back in MCC and the jail in A roll call book if I get a second. 01:37:36
I'll call both. I want the matrix vaccine. 01:37:43
I want the matrix back into. 01:37:46
And MCC decreed impact. What are you gonna cut out? 01:37:48
Well, that's what I'm saying. You guys want to do this from Councilman Gary just made a comment. Let's make effective. You're 01:37:52
gonna have to have another public meeting to advertise it to fix this thing. No, you you would need to make a motion to amend. If 01:37:57
you wanna do an increase, you would need to do a decrease to complement that. Otherwise, our budget will be, uh, in the red and it 01:38:02
won't pass. Well, OK, through Indianapolis. I'll withdraw that and I'll make a motion to pass Councilwoman large budget because 01:38:07
it's under. 01:38:12
It's not. 01:38:18
43.5 Exactly what the other one is. The only thing to do is follow the injunction. I'll get myself and you go back. 01:38:21
I'm fine guys, but we'll call vote. We vote. 01:38:28
Yeah, President. So if I could recap where we are legally in the procedure, Umm, as I was mentioning before, you had your budget 01:38:31
meetings, that UH budget was introduced up until that point. Any changes that were made? 01:38:38
We're completely permissible. 01:38:45
Umm, But last month we introduced a budget ordinance. 01:38:47
Uh, just like any other ordinance, if that ordinance is amended, it has to be done in public hearings. 01:38:51
So to the extent that what I'm hearing is that there have been suggested changes, umm, to the ordinance, those are not official 01:38:55
and they are not part of the UH proposed budget right now. The proposed budget currently as it sits at all, was what was 01:39:01
introduced at the last meeting. 01:39:06
It's not. It is what's under the law. It's what was introduced at the last meeting. If there are council members that want to make 01:39:12
changes to that proposed budget, and it sounds as though, uh, at least two council members have distributed changes of what they 01:39:18
think those budgets should be like. That would have to be done at this public meeting. This is a public meeting. It can be done 01:39:24
now. Like any other ordinance. It can be amended on second reading. 01:39:29
So that can be amended to either UH President Steele's budget, proposed budget or Counselor Marks proposed budget or any other 01:39:35
proposed budget. 01:39:40
In order. 01:39:45
Increase any line. 01:39:47
The statute requires that there's a 3/4 majority to increase any line item. 01:39:49
From the introduced. 01:39:55
So through force majority doesn't mean through force because you have 7 and by law and actually round up. So you need umm. 01:39:56
65. 01:40:03
I'll get a calculator. I'm a lawyer. Yeah, point. Yeah, 5.5. So you need 5 uh votes in the affirmative to increase any line item. 01:40:08
We can decrease line items with just a simple majority. So, uh, you have an introduced budget, which was what? 01:40:16
I was interviewed last. 01:40:24
There have been other budgets that have been distributed. Those are not official budgets until uh, the introduced budget. 01:40:26
UH proposed to be amended and that's second in and gets a majority. 01:40:34
That's where you are under the law right now. Uh. So if you were to pass the budget as is right now, it would be what was 01:40:38
introduced. 01:40:42
Mr. Kofsky, would you? 01:40:46
Define mainstream meetings. The several admitted meetings with the auditor sure didn't make comments. Cereal meetings is within 01:40:49
three or more of the council members meeting. And then there's a second meeting with another separate person. 01:40:56
And that. 01:41:04
That didn't happen. 01:41:05
What are you saying? They said they've been made several times. I have. I'm not a part of meeting, but I'm not the public taxes 01:41:07
counselor. I'm just told it's a large Mr. Klaus to you. The the the point of that if I understand right correct me if I'm wrong is 01:41:10
if. 01:41:14
Since we're A7 member board, I have three members in the council wouldn't have a meeting. 01:41:18
And come up with something and then go another, uh, part of that group. Not that whole group, but a part of that group would be 01:41:22
only with another member, which then it would be. 01:41:27
Four members in uh, the council in that discussion. You would have a majority of the council in that discussion, even though the 01:41:33
two meetings took place in separate times, separations, whatever. So it it's it's to prevent the UMM. 01:41:39
A. A council having a majority working on something and then coming and showing us both on something that they already knew the 01:41:47
the umm, the outcome or or already have the plan. 01:41:53
That's not what happened here, that's correct. 01:41:59
Umm, so I could make amendment? 01:42:02
Remain members of the council met. Three members of the council can meet. That's not the majority of the council. The form is more 01:42:06
than three would be if you met before. That's a quorum, right? Councilman Gill right. I mean, you met with four, met with three. 01:42:13
If you read the four, that's 1/4 of the council. No, that's how the loan he said he worked on this. I called. I called and gave my 01:42:20
suggestions name suggestions I had with the auditor. 01:42:28
You have to ask. 01:42:35
With all due respect, I didn't get any. 01:43:07
Communication for many council members while I got checked with the auditor. The council is making the decision on the budget, I 01:43:09
think you know emails from. 01:43:13
I mean, I didn't receive any emails, I received your budget, what you guys supposedly worked on. 01:43:18
Noon to Friday and then her last night at midnight. 01:43:25
Presence field so this this. 01:43:30
Process is very similar to the process that's happened the last few years. Umm, the attorneys was advising us during that time. 01:43:33
Umm had no issues with it. Umm, it's also very similar to UMM to what a lot of other municipalities. I'm sure there are examples 01:43:40
of people that do it very differently, but there are a lot of other municipalities, Umm, county, cities, UMM, what have you that 01:43:47
do it in a very similar fashion. Umm. And so again it's, it's been vetted. Umm. 01:43:55
By R20 before now what we're hearing tonight and and I'm always a fan for going with the advice of our council. 01:44:04
Is that any of those changes that were made? 01:44:09
It sounds like we have to amend. 01:44:14
Budget resolution to include those. So what was presented last month? 01:44:17
Umm in my view doesn't remedy a lot of the umm pay issues. Umm. And and there were some other questions that I don't remember 01:44:24
every everything that had changed. So it was above the 4.3. Yeah, it was above the 4.35 so it wouldn't be a balance budget. 01:44:32
Anyway, we couldn't couldn't get that approved, uh by the state. So I guess again trying to be productive here, we need to figure 01:44:40
out a way, you know do we have any any way or or can our council advise us on umm how do we. 01:44:48
Efficiently attempt to, uh, remedy this, umm, so that we are not voting on something that was written a month ago that is not even 01:44:58
a balanced budget. 01:45:04
So you said that everything that was increased? 01:45:11
In the budget that was originally proposed, would have to be discussed. 01:45:14
But not if it was decreased. 01:45:20
If you increase any line item that has to pass by a 3/4 majority. 01:45:23
It's an increase in the amount if any line, any individual line item is increased from the UH introduced the proposed budget. Then 01:45:29
you'd have to pass it by UH 3/4 of. 01:45:36
If say Todd, give me a line item. 01:45:45
631 of the corners. That's a that's a hot department, so 631 in the corners made made-up. If that goes up, then the total budget 01:45:50
has to be approved by 3/4 of the council. It can go down. 01:45:57
You can decrease the budget across the board. UH, the budget process is less concerned about spending less money than it is about 01:46:05
spending more money. We wanna have extra UH safeguards in place when you're spending taxpayer dollars, so it takes a 3/4 vote. 01:46:11
To increase any line items in the proposed umm, So moving forward, I don't know which way the couch wants to go and I won't 01:46:18
presume uh but it sounds like you've had UH Counselor Norwich UH proposed budget and you have Counselor Steele's proposed budget. 01:46:25
Uh a motion could be made by reference to those emails that you've all received. Umm to amend to either one of those, or if 01:46:32
there's another third tertiary third uh proposed budget, you can. 01:46:38
Go through that, That'd be a more onerous process. You'd have to detail out where the lines were increased or decreased. 01:46:45
So then if I were to make a motion. 01:46:52
Just to get the ball rolling. 01:46:57
Umm to amend the Budget Ordinance to. 01:46:59
Proposed budget of Councilman Steele that he's presented tonight. 01:47:04
And there was. 01:47:09
Then it would just need 5 votes to. 01:47:10
Uh, it would be to to amend that. 01:47:13
I'm sorry, I I I haven't seen the changes. There would have been some line items I'm sure that that have actually increased in his 01:47:15
budget, umm from what was previous, so that would take five months, OK. So I mean a lot of the salaries increased. So wouldn't 01:47:21
that be every salary that went up well? 01:47:27
This is the budget. And of course the budget decided to yeah, no, uh, salaries. To formulate your budget, you have a salary 01:47:34
ordinance on the agenda. So setting salaries is actually separate. But of course you want to know salaries, yeah? 01:47:40
And and and so again, we're in a situation now of you. 01:47:47
Learning a a a slightly different expectation from from our legal counsel here tonight. 01:47:52
Umm. 01:47:59
So again, I I I don't think we're ever going to get to the point where we're all going to agree and and beyond the complete same 01:48:01
page with this, but if we aren't able to pass the budget. 01:48:06
It reversed back to. 01:48:12
The 23 budget, which would be devastating. 01:48:14
And and. 01:48:17
Yes, but we also have the time it takes to advertise, UH, you got enough time to advertise a budget. UH, Again, it's not just the 01:48:19
10 days because UH, I believe the author's office typically has to submit what sort of UH media and all that, what is 1215 days? 01:48:27
So 10 days, two days before the next meeting. 01:48:35
So we can do it, OK. Mm-hmm. So I mean, that's an option too, but umm. 01:48:38
But then, you know, having another meeting doesn't always solve the problem. I mean, if we have another meeting and we're at the 01:48:45
same impact or what I would assume is going to be an impact, umm relating 4 votes then. 01:48:50
If, if we were. 01:48:58
Do a public notice for another meeting. 01:49:00
Would that count as the second reading of Councilman Steele's budget, or would we still be dealing with the same budget that was 01:49:03
proposed last month at the second meeting or at this additional meeting? 01:49:09
I I don't know that you can advertise another budget. I think you would just suspend this meeting and umm and then you'd have 01:49:16
another hearing on the same. So we would have the same complication then that we're having now, I guess correct. So, so just 01:49:20
having another meeting. 01:49:25
May. 01:49:30
Remedy anything. We may have the exact same process that we could go through tonight at the next meeting. Umm. 01:49:31
You know, uh, again, I'm trying to figure out a productive way for us to move forward, umm, and and through each department. At 01:49:40
least have a look at each department and what you guys are proposing and maybe what we think should change. 01:49:45
You know, again, I I'd rather I'm with you. I'd rather take the time to go through that if that's what it takes tonight, as 01:50:27
opposed to just delaying this and having the same issue. Umm. 01:50:31
1215 days from now. So I mean and Councilman Gill, I agree. I'm not saying over I don't like. I mean I looked at that budget. I 01:50:37
didn't without toy against it. But I just want a prior Tory. But I don't want to lose no more people. 01:50:43
And I'm hearing what the record shows. So I just wanna discuss with everybody among us, because we're all elected to this council. 01:50:49
And that's the only thing I'm saying. I I'm not saying you guys did so everything wrong. Yeah, I just wanna be very careful right 01:50:54
now to make sure that, umm. 01:50:59
Whatever we do is is productive and it complies with what our Council thinks. So if if we were to. 01:51:04
A Again using the if I were to make a motion to UH A, amend the budget proposal to. 01:51:12
Health. 01:51:19
Budget that he's presented tonight. 01:51:21
Umm, that would not and and and let's say that passed with five votes that would not necessarily. 01:51:24
Approve the budget. That would just amend the ordinance, correct? Correct. OK, then we could go through. 01:51:30
Look at that or I guess if we made any changes, we looked through it, then we would still have to make another motion. So, you 01:51:36
know, trying to figure out the best, best way of getting this done. Do we just put his budget up there and go through it now and 01:51:42
then whatever we come up with at that point, then we can amend the ordinance. 01:51:47
Does that seem like the most reasonable approach? 01:51:53
You have one single eye on this entire budget that should increase that. There is not a five vote on that. 01:51:58
Five quarter, so we have now the matter. 01:52:10
I I really believe that you guys are in violation of the umbrella law because the separation is you presented a budget a month ago 01:52:17
tonight you wanna pass another budget? 01:52:21
No, no questions. Have you explained where those cuts are and who voted on? 01:52:27
I think that's a clear violation of we we didn't. We we have voted every year by the way city and County Council sit in a room and 01:52:32
go line by line with the public therapy and make adjustments you're doing tonight. 01:52:39
You know, that's how much money increases are. So I'm I'm kind of with uh. 01:52:51
Mikhail Vaughn, I'm probably gonna file a complaint with the public action account and I will invert it and revert it back. It 01:52:58
will. 01:53:02
And I'm trying to work with you, I don't wanna do it. 01:53:07
But attorneys do get it wrong. This one opinion came from the state attorney General, Todd Kate. I spoke to him myself. We're 01:53:11
following what we had for the last two years. Nothing different. You know, it was wrong there. It may be, it may be more. We were, 01:53:17
we were following the advice of counsel. And now that our counsel is advising us differently or saying, OK, let's do this 01:53:23
differently, let's do this the way that our legal counsel is advising. Umm, well, so, yeah, if we need to put that up here and go 01:53:29
line by line. 01:53:35
Let's do it. 01:53:42
I mean, I I mean, I ask that your accounts might go, but every attorney don't get everything right either. 01:53:44
That's why sometimes I win case and lose cases. I'm just gonna buy a majority of people. I've called around the state and said you 01:53:50
gotta do this. 01:53:53
I don't know. 01:53:57
I'm not maternal. I just push. 01:53:58
So I'm gonna make a motion that we put the budget up there and we work through it tonight. 01:54:06
You're gonna have to publicize. So you're saying, Mr. Kloski, if we move this to another meeting? 01:54:10
The other don't have to publicize. We can just move this and move this to another meeting or not, and we have to publicize the 01:54:17
next meeting. 01:54:20
Everything to be in public. You've already published the the budget and we've gone through the gateway process and put that out 01:54:25
there. You're in, you're in your normal legislative process. Now you have an ordinance that was introduced on first reading. To 01:54:31
change that ordinance, you have to take official action in a public meeting. So that needs to be amended in a public meeting, 01:54:37
which is what you have the opportunity to do here tonight. If you don't take action on it now, you can. 01:54:43
Hold that meeting over. 01:54:50
Alright, I'm sorry, go ahead. I just think that we need to do it. Let's just bite the bullet. Let's get it up there. Let's let's 01:55:24
hash it out, guys. Let's work through these budgets and see what we can make. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. 01:55:29
On that opposed negotiating on some of these things. 01:55:35
This is something I feel very strongly about that I think that we need to change and and because the because the because the 01:55:38
budget that was. 01:55:42
Proposed an advertised last month. 01:55:46
Over budget. 01:55:50
We would have had to have gone through this process tonight anyway. 01:55:51
So again, I I'm with council in North, Let's just get it up on the screen. 01:55:54
Go through it and people can speak to any issues they have. 01:55:58
It has to do with you guys keep arguing. 01:56:05
I work for in Triple C I'm a kitchen supervisor. I've been there for 16 years. 01:56:10
I make $2.00 more an hour. 01:56:17
Than when I started. 01:56:21
So that is less than 1%. 01:56:23
Per year, right? 01:56:29
And I went several years without a rate. 01:56:31
You say it takes more than a year to fix that. 01:56:35
It's been 16. 01:56:39
Maybe that will help you decide what you need to do. 01:56:43
Trying to get a motion that we just a bunch of that from the strain and we hashed it out. 01:56:50
Roll call vote. 01:56:55
So we don't, we don't have this, we're gonna. 01:56:57
Take a 5 out how much? How much time you need to get that over here. 01:57:01
If you have a question, no, I said. Can I e-mail it? And I have my computer here? 01:57:07
Just so, how much time do you need? 01:57:19
10 minutes, 10 minute recess. 01:57:21
Good. 01:57:24
I'm not really finished voting. 01:57:29
I don't think. 01:57:32
Yes. 01:57:55
5552857. 01:58:52
Yep. 01:59:06
I know, I know. 01:59:45
I hope I have enough time to run outside. 02:00:54
I'm feeling fine. 02:01:50
All right. 02:02:44
Would've been easier. 02:02:47
So, umm. 02:03:14
Remember. 02:04:12
Right, so this is what the number is based on. 02:04:51
Mm-hmm. 02:05:03
I apologize, I I misspoke. 02:05:04
How much your money? When did they ask for new money? The sheriff? 02:05:10
I. 02:05:14
New money or transfer? 02:05:21
Yeah. 02:05:36
Yeah. 02:05:38
So that's why. 02:05:38
We're talking about. 02:05:42
Yeah. 02:06:13
This is what I was going to do. This is what this is what I. 02:06:50
And this is what I was saying. 02:06:57
I know he said that he had pushed that unknown salary. 02:08:48
Are you? 02:08:52
I don't know who says that I've already. 02:08:54
Hi, Hi. How are you? 02:09:25
Well, I have that on my computer because several of the licenses, a couple of supplements. 02:09:35
And other and and and. None of that is taken into consideration and I think that's wrong. 02:09:41
They were at 18 and brought him up to 20. 02:10:11
Well, I told you, you're a customer. 02:10:18
I told you that the insurance Well, yeah, absolutely. 02:10:21
We can. 02:10:27
From 18 to 26 I can tell you this. 02:10:48
Right. So just to be clear, the budget that is up here is your proposal and now what we advertise? 02:11:04
Correct. And so you're presenting your proposal now. 02:11:10
And what he did, Rick, what was advertised and we have always advertised right there is what was advertised. That's 45. 02:11:14
The 43 five is the numbers that, uh, Mr. Steele has supported. OK, so that's not our original council members, but it's. But what 02:11:23
was advertised was the requested budget. Yeah, yeah. OK, alright, thank you. 02:11:29
No. 02:11:37
So the fact. 02:11:39
I don't know. 02:11:42
I don't understand why the requested budget doesn't match what's on the seat I've got. Are you in the jail or are you on the? 02:11:53
Jail. That was in jail. 02:12:00
Well, I printed off. What? 02:12:06
Oh no, I'm sorry, I'm looking at the wrong thing. 02:12:08
I'm sorry, hang on a minute. 02:12:12
So Todd, on on the jail budget? Could you Scroll down so we can see the bottom numbers? 02:12:17
So. 02:12:29
In 23. 02:12:32
The total budget was. 02:12:35
3.79 million. 02:12:37
That's what the council passed. 02:12:39
The 24 budget request was 4.263. 02:12:41
The current council. 02:12:46
Is. 02:12:48
592 it's 350,000 came out of the food so that so that's money still being spent. 02:12:50
For the jail, just out of the different funds, so 3.9, yeah, 3.9. 02:12:58
Here's what I was talking about. 02:13:06
That's the number that was prior to coming in that was sent. Mm-hmm. 02:13:08
Thanks. 02:13:26
So do you want me to give you the numbers for the matrix? 02:13:36
I'm sorry, So do you want me to give you the number for the? 02:13:41
Yes, I just wasn't talking to you. I didn't worry. 02:13:44
This doesn't match my. That's because. 02:13:48
That's because that's before the that's the budget works, yeah. But a three-year average and the 2023 total budget should match. 02:13:51
And it doesn't. It's not all on there. The 23 is, the rest of it's not on there, some of those. 02:13:59
It's not all on like. 02:14:04
So I'm not taking it. I mean it was some of the funds that were that's just the 23 budget match some of. 02:14:07
Which which number specifically are you using? I mean, I'm looking, I'm like, this is jail. Mm-hmm. OK, so I'm looking at Cook 3. 02:14:16
2023 Total budget 33,295. 02:14:24
Yeah. So that probably happened mid year ratings on it. So this would be a more accurate number than than what I was given in 02:14:31
August. 02:14:35
Well, yeah, it has to select it. It was probably right after. OK, so the other departments should match. Yeah, because in August 02:14:38
many in in the jail got this many raises. OK, so those are not reflected. 02:14:44
Those ones were reflected in August because it was just passed in August because we had two pages of raising for the sale that we 02:14:51
passed and they got an additional in this budget 5% on top of the mid year raises that they got. So some people would have 02:14:57
received like a 10 to 15% raise from what they had in the 23 budget. 02:15:03
I don't know that it's that much, but yeah. 02:15:12
One of the things I want to discuss with this council is the jail commander. We had had some conversation about putting them on 02:15:17
salary so that there's no more overtime. Umm, I had talked with the Sheriff's Department about where her overtime was going to 02:15:23
fall this year and it was actually a little over $100,000 a year. Umm with her overtime if we did that. 02:15:29
It would lock that in and it wouldn't it would have Hopefully we could, we would should be able to save money over time at that 02:15:36
point. That makes sense and reduce that line item. 02:15:40
So if that were the case, then the 24 requested budget. 02:15:45
$285,000 for overtime, the 23 total budget was 270, so there's roughly a $15,000 increase there. So are you suggesting that if we 02:15:50
part of that raised and that 285 goes down, Mr. Deal, I think part of that was because of the elevated showers? 02:15:58
Right, 20%. So there may be fewer overtime hours in order, but on our side that's still significant in our money that we have to. 02:16:07
So it's not a cost savings from a budget standpoint. 02:16:14
Even though it may create some some more attention. 02:16:21
But I don't. It's up to you guys as a whole what we wanna do with that if you just wanna keep her and and and umm, I'd have to get 02:16:25
some new numbers for her for the matrix, because I don't know what her longevity is on that one. I believe with her overtime. 02:16:32
She's counted in that. It's close right at that, yeah. 02:16:40
I believe. 02:16:45
And Kim? 02:16:47
During the budget hearings. 02:16:49
To UH, leave that at 100,000. 02:16:52
Well, I'm just saying that's something we can look at if you wanna change that, but that's what I have. It is at 100. 02:16:56
Umm, up at the top of the. 02:17:02
So I can give you the numbers that originally, umm, the Sheriff's Department gave me for the matrix. If you want me to do that, 02:17:05
that's where you wanna start. Uh, I believe those would be in the 24 requested budget should be. Yeah, 24 in question. Is that 02:17:11
right, Kim? Is that right? Is that the matrix? You. You. Uh. 02:17:17
That's I've got a question about the $22.00 an hour, right? 02:17:25
I've got a question. 02:17:32
Sure. And since we're looking at your proposal, should we talk about? 02:17:35
What you increased or decreased from the request? 02:17:40
And UH, meeting with the sheriff and and UH budget. 02:17:47
Office staff Umm Kim. 02:17:51
Knowing that, the raises, uh, come in. 02:17:56
We the the Matrix. She wanted to or they wanted 10% as opposed to 10. We proposed 5. 02:18:00
I think the difference would be reflected. 02:18:08
I mean just two to $3000 roughly per person. 02:18:12
Were you not putting them up to 21? 02:18:21
Uh, we just went to 5%. We didn't just just because of the mid year raises of 10% and then another 5%, a total of 15%. 02:18:24
More than 15. 02:18:35
You can't have the percentage on it. 02:18:38
I I realize that. 02:18:41
So, so again, it's just trying to be, uh, pushing for productivity. 02:18:50
We're looking at the scale numbers. Do we want to, I'm sorry, do we want to look at what would happen if if we did raise the 24 02:18:56
council numbers columns to? 02:19:03
Be requested? Is that the intent then, that some people on the council would like to see and see what happens to the overall 02:19:11
budget? I'd like to see them put back into the matrix, which is not the requested numbers because the requested numbers didn't 02:19:15
include the longevity. 02:19:20
The matrix numbers are are gonna include the longevity and these are the numbers that she had originally given me when putting 02:19:25
them into the matrix. 02:19:29
Which was $22.00 an hour. That was the starting payment. 02:19:33
Wasn't it the uh when you when you do your matrix once you put in there with the starting pay list? 02:19:38
So the but if I submit it brought a new person up starting at $22.00 an hour that what I submitted was their longevity included 02:19:44
which is the matrix. 02:19:49
Umm, so when you say some got a 5 or some got more than a 5, that's because their longevity, years of service was added into that. 02:19:55
So that's why your numbers look different on different lines. 02:20:01
So Todd, if you Scroll down to longevity on the jail, so here's the longevity, uh. 02:20:07
Looking at the requested budget then. 02:20:15
2375 for longevity which is down significantly because you haven't had it in. But then wouldn't that mean that the numbers in the 02:20:18
24 requested budget would have been what you requested for the aren't they for the most for 10% matrix yes yes it is. So that's 02:20:25
what and the longevity what it is is if you're gonna if it was gonna move the jail commander and assistant jail commander into 02:20:32
salary positions that's their longevity. That would be paid out because that would not be included in their salary. That's the 02:20:38
only two right That's the the 2375. 02:20:45
24 requested budget on the pay lines for the jail are in fact the matrix numbers. 02:20:53
And we just need to see what the fact that has on the overall budget to see what if we did that what we would have to cut in other 02:20:59
areas. Do you have your matrix numbers with you? 02:21:04
Just say they were right. Well, I can't see what that says, but I can. Well, let's just take the first one. Umm. 02:21:13
Umm, the first officer? Uh, it shows 47544. Oh, that is right. Yes, that is correct. Never mind I'm wrong. That is correct. 02:21:20
Yeah, so they'll request the budget. 02:21:30
There is a couple lines that I can reduce in those where we've had staff they've had two or three years on. It's not a lot of 02:21:35
money, but I can reduce a couple of them down to a 0. 02:21:40
Year, if you're wanting to look at that, it's I think. 02:21:46
$11125.00 but I mean if. 02:21:50
Trying to say pennies, then I can give you that information. So Todd, could you copy the? 02:21:54
Dollar amount and the council members for all of the pay positions for the channel and then paste those somewhere where we can 02:22:01
revert back to them if we need to do or I guess you could just. 02:22:07
Go back and hit the back arrow when we decide to do that. But yeah, just a copy of those and those numbers. 02:22:13
Well, it it, it. I think he's getting to the same thing. It's just where do you want to pay some, Rob? Well, right. If we have to 02:22:22
come back to it, can you do it in the right where There's not a problem right now. 02:22:27
Not the requested budget, the Council numbers. 02:22:32
Uh, you know, so, so he's, he's suggesting that to preserve the council members in case we want to go back to those, that you copy 02:22:36
them and then paste them somewhere, OK yeah. 02:22:42
I haven't penetrated, so I'm talking to California. The telephone numbers, uh, not the requested numbers. 02:22:51
And the correct, correct and then for the council members all the way to the right. 02:23:00
And go ahead and go down to overtime. 02:23:09
Because that's part of overtime and longevity should be should be compatible as well. 02:23:14
Yes. 02:23:29
You gotta do a paste. Umm paste value. 02:23:45
There you go. 02:23:54
Then you want to move the other ones over. 02:23:57
Requested budgets with those same tail lines over to the council members. 02:24:01
Can we go ahead and reduce down the lines that she told me earlier today that would be lower. Yeah, let's do that. 02:24:26
So line UMM 13403, Officer 15. 02:24:33
Should be UH 46180. 02:24:37
UMM Officer 35 which is 14410. 02:24:45
Should be 46180. 02:24:49
Officer 27 should be 46180. 02:24:54
You get it? I'm sorry. I wasn't watching. Yes. And then cook. Three should be. 02:25:07
40,438. 02:25:12
And then umm. 02:25:17
They have agreed to reduce their UH overtime to UH-280. 02:25:19
To pick up 5000, sorry. 02:25:25
And then, umm, the testing and schooling is gonna come down to 850. 02:25:29
Utility services are gonna come around to 280. 02:25:37
Two 82180. 02:25:42
So what do you have? A total amount. OK, so then to make that work we would have to find a place to cut $257,801.00. So I have a 02:25:49
balance question. What are you looking uh? 02:25:54
What is the most we can cut the insurance? 02:26:09
We're, we're. I talked with UH or you talked with John. 02:26:11
The insurance, Rick, Rick, uh, he's not here but explained that if we take money out of the insurance, then that affects the rate 02:26:16
that the employees pay. So we could take money out of there, but then that means they're gonna pay more. It's it's negative and we 02:26:22
want to keep consideration that we reduced our workload. I'm just pretty much, I mean it's it's a bulk that's we're self insured. 02:26:28
Umm. 02:26:34
It really doesn't, I mean. 02:26:42
You configure 750 employees, I don't know how many the take rate, umm, you know if it's 25,000 per person, but we don't get a one 02:26:43
for one reduction always because of administration or some fixed cost. And then there's uh. 02:26:50
Umm, self insurance portion of it, But you said we can lower it 200, he said. A hundred $100,000 to 50, that's what I put in 02:26:58
there, 5.3. 02:27:02
I didn't if I did that. 02:27:08
B. 02:27:12
So yeah, so this 43,000,000, seven, 57801 reflects that there's already been the reduction that the commissioners first week we 02:27:16
could make in the health fund. So we would have to find somewhere else. 02:27:22
UH spent $4 million below. 02:27:28
Well, I think we need to take off the raises. Umm, I know it's not 4 of $1,000,000, but the races on the council and the races on 02:27:37
the commissioners. 02:27:40
That's fine. Go ahead. 02:27:45
What? 02:27:51
You already I I didn't hear you. No raises for counsel. No raises. I agree with that. 02:27:52
Uh. 02:28:19
Right and then. 02:28:20
Sounds. 02:28:44
Do we on that, OK. One of the other places that UMM, I made some reductions, UMM and I understand that support would like 02:28:47
everything that they asked for. And I do appreciate the fact that they did make a lot of concessions, UMM, but they still would 02:28:52
have increased their budget because a lot of those concessions were moved over to other departments like UMM 100,000 was moved 02:28:58
over to UMM, the UMM. 02:29:04
Public defender. 02:29:13
And then they also moved the floor, yeah, that that was the buying budget I think is. 02:29:15
Judge Hoffer, Chief Judge. 02:29:20
If you wanna speak to any I I thought you were one of the better prepared departments is actually a great strides over years past 02:29:22
having each individual becoming umm. 02:29:29
Uh, together and I think your total. 02:29:37
Uh. 02:29:41
All all departments combined were 6.2%, was it 5.6? Thank you. And you know having a budget increase of 5%, I think that's well in 02:29:42
line the courts. 02:29:49
Umm, is there anything judge that you can think of in that combined 20 or $30,000 that you could contribute? 02:29:56
I know. 02:30:06
Yeah, hi. 02:30:24
I we left that all of those departments untouched, unscathed, I think. Uh. 02:30:26
And in fact, UH, mostly because you came within the UMM increase, 5% increase for the year. 02:30:32
Well, and and I appreciate that and I appreciate what they'd like to get up to. I have reduced it a little bit. Umm, so instead of 02:30:41
making 51971 for the main court report, it was 49. And for the other court reporters instead of 45617, it was 44,000. 02:30:49
Which is still a substantial increase from where? 02:30:58
It those were are some of the positions we've been hearing for a couple of years that umm they're just having a really hard time 02:31:02
getting people to fill those positions and pay those positions and with the turnover and and the UMM proficiency that those those 02:31:07
individuals need to have Umm. 02:31:12
You know, a again, now we're at a point and this is again the the difficulty of this budget. There are certain large departments, 02:31:19
umm, you know, there's a lot of employees who give a small raise to a lot of employees in that department and now we're 1/4 of 02:31:24
$1,000,000 off. 02:31:29
So you know if we. 02:31:34
A small handful of people. 02:31:37
1500, two $1000, something like that. We're still so far away from the number and so I guess, you know, my suggestion would be. 02:31:40
Is there any ideas from anyone on the council for some? 02:31:48
Bigger items, you know is, is there someone that has an idea of or 50,000 or 100,000 to come from umm. 02:31:52
OK. 02:32:05
Mean any anything else and I'm I'm not and there were some I think it's the ones if you wanna go into the sheriff's budget, 02:32:06
please. 02:32:09
So we're on the shares closet now. Is that where you're turning to? 02:32:19
So umm the 1500 line which is the part time line? 02:32:34
Umm. I guess we probably should. Umm. 02:32:41
You probably should copy and paste from there. 02:32:45
Todd and send it over to the right. 02:32:49
Does that make sense? I could do with the. 02:32:51
OK. So the per timeline, umm. 02:33:10
Hang on a second. 02:33:16
Remember the 160 council members, So that may be something. 02:33:22
Sure, if you want any put in there. So I reduced it to 160, but I start with a $5000 decrease, so I'm not sure why that shows 02:33:27
that. 02:33:32
Umm, the next line that we prescribed in, oh, that's 160 even side, yes. 02:33:38
And then the deeper stripes, it is down to six uh 1200. I don't understand why these numbers. 02:33:48
1200 or 12,000, I don't understand. 02:33:55
Where is your budget? 02:33:59
So we're working on broad budget. I know that, I know that. That's why I'm confused. 02:34:04
Hang on a second. 02:34:09
I have a question. 02:34:18
How much? 02:34:20
I don't know if you can do this real quick or share for Kim or somebody. 02:34:22
To. 02:34:26
$22.00 an hour. 02:34:27
Is there any positions? 02:34:29
Or you're sure how many jail staff right now? 02:34:32
How many? Four then Four part time? 4 uh part time I believe is filled up is full, but we're down 4 full time, 4 full time. So if 02:34:37
we took part time money. 02:34:42
Was able to get them up to 22 to be competitive around accountings and the state. Can you do that? 02:34:48
If we got them up to 20 to be competitive around us. 02:34:55
And we cut that and able to give us huh? ******* GL staff. 02:34:58
Well, I'm telling take this from their part time, money and build. 02:35:04
Tell me a sheriff budget or are you back on the jail? Well, I guess. 02:35:08
They can find anywhere between the gel and shares to the park. That's fine. 02:35:13
Jody, I have the numbers. I think what it was is I was looking at what I originally had in your budget when we were originally 02:35:18
when I was originally working on it and that's where I was getting that number from. So yeah, I have umm, some lines that uh with 02:35:24
reduced down. Go ahead. OK, so umm 11616. 02:35:30
Yeah. 02:35:38
Time. 02:35:46
1161611616. 02:35:49
53625. 02:35:57
Change your name. 02:36:02
Umm what? 02:36:06
It does. 02:36:11
OK. 02:36:13
That's because those were in the matrix originally and then they got taken out, I think. 02:36:14
You have them in the nature you got her, but this is in the matrix, the one matrix in the top number and the matrix. 02:36:19
But with longevity, yeah, yeah. And then that's what those those. So the net is the same, correct. With or without longevity, I 02:36:26
mean, so that's 53625 would be with longevity included, but it's lowering it, lowering the top number of the matrix. 02:36:34
So the three white ones take longevity out below. If we increase one, I'm talking to, the net effect is the same. We're not saving 02:36:44
a dollar, I mean. 02:36:48
So I think what he's asking of him is that if we leave that celery in. 02:36:56
Umm, and add your longevity. Would it be the same as what we show in our? But it wouldn't be 51, it'd be 53 right? It would be 02:37:01
53625. No, it's reduced. The matrix was started at. 02:37:06
Umm, I forget little 50. 02:37:12
65. 02:37:18
That's reducing it down to 50. 02:37:19
And go into the. 02:37:22
OK. 02:37:24
So if you can just copy and paste that to the right place, pad at 51198. 02:37:26
And then umm change that to 53625. 02:37:39
And then also the chief deputy and the administrative deputy, we changed those to salary, correct? Yes. 02:37:47
Just now from the right. 02:37:55
Oh yeah, can you just copy and paste it to the right though? That's the hell. Give me the numbers I got. 02:38:00
No, that's not right. That's not, that's too much. It's 100,000. Yeah. Yeah. And then the other one is, umm. 02:38:08
7078 three 99. 02:38:15
So what you had in there before to go to the right is umm Umm. 02:38:18
On the right is 81723. 02:38:25
And UH 78399. 02:38:29
Yeah, that's that's what was. 02:38:34
That's awesome. 02:38:38
OK. 02:38:41
Uh. 02:38:45
So down on, umm, the 1500 line was there? 02:38:48
OK. That's right. And then the next one should be 12,000, that's correct. And then the longevity goes down to 100 and 1875 02:38:59
dollars. 02:39:04
OK. And then umm. 02:39:16
Can you go down to the investigation? 02:39:20
16603. 02:39:24
OK. That's right. And then the next one. 02:39:27
Stays at 12. 02:39:30
What's the next one? That one's got to be 8000 because that's jail training and it's it's not for an officer, you know, up to the 02:39:33
jail where there's nothing supposed to be 8000. 02:39:37
On what, uh, overtime was on the 215. 02:39:46
215,000. 02:39:52
Umm, and then what's in the 2100? 02:40:00
That goes down to 10,919. 02:40:06
So that's the lowest September then how's that gonna? Because she's got another fund, right? For office supplies. You said that 02:40:11
you can buy a paper products out of for printing. 02:40:16
Right, right. 02:40:23
And then? 02:40:25
The 39 O 71. 02:40:29
Umm, that has to be 8663 because you said that the contract? 02:40:31
Right. Yeah, with the Anderson place. So they run the drug task force and we've got a contribution that's going up to 8386 02:40:36
hundred, yeah, 63 this year or next year. 02:40:42
What's going on? That looks like a that's not right. Let's see what are we? There is a couple other ones that I had reduced them 02:40:48
as well. What else was there? Just chemtrails if you go to. 02:40:54
Umm 14700. 02:41:02
That would be 42225. 02:41:06
42225. 02:41:13
Are we on live right now? 02:41:19
Yeah. 02:41:21
14702. 02:41:23
That would be 44850. 02:41:26
What number 14702? 02:41:32
And what was it, 44850? 02:41:35
That went up. That one should have went down. It went up from council members, but not. Yeah. Oh, OK. 02:41:40
Umm 14903. 02:41:48
Down to 46,000. 02:41:51
14904. 02:41:56
13,915. 02:41:58
1500 zero 160,000. 02:42:04
What? 02:42:09
Oh yeah, we did that one already. Sorry. I thought you said, umm, I know the rest. Umm, did we get 1400? I went through the other 02:42:13
ones that we talked about. 02:42:17
I think I got them all. 02:42:22
6400. 02:42:24
Just a no, it's very, very recent number. 02:42:28
That's $20,000 more than what I have. Which one? 02:42:34
Her. His bottom line is. 02:42:40
OK, I see where. 02:42:47
UH other services and charges. The 3900 line is 59. 02:42:49
Yes. 02:42:57
Umm other supplies was 90,000. 02:43:05
Umm operating supply is 240. 02:43:12
Please draw up so I can just do that. 02:43:19
Can you scroll up? 02:43:23
Whoa, whoa. I'm not a little bit electric. 02:43:26
OK, so I was there. 02:43:31
That's handsome. 02:43:33
Prescription 31 OK Umm SEPTA is 31520. 02:43:40
It's, uh, 6900 up a little bit and then it's right there, 6900. 02:43:47
16900. 02:43:55
It's 31520. 02:43:58
But. 02:44:01
Let me up a little bit, please. 02:44:08
OK, I I downloaded it, but oh, no, you're good. You're good. Sorry. 02:44:16
OK, I'm into all the questions. 02:44:26
The bottom line? 02:44:28
That's what I have there. 02:44:35
OK, so we need $227,415.00 of savings. We don't. So we make some progress. So basically what I did is, umm, on the elected 02:44:41
officials. 02:44:47
Umm, I did a 5% increase only with the some of them I have pushed up higher I think. 02:44:55
Umm. I think I read across the board 5% on elected officials. 02:45:02
You know some some of yours have more than, I mean I think there's a couple have more than five. 02:45:17
I think there was just one 115. I think it was Linda. 02:45:23
Had asked for that because of. 02:45:28
She had cut quite a bit out of her budget. 02:45:32
Question of the county assessors. 02:45:42
Of the county assessor. 02:45:45
Umm I had made an error on that one initially because I didn't see a raise. No it I got, I got it somehow got missed. If I had 02:45:50
just assumed that you guys had done it and then I didn't know when you guys had done your budget. Does it seem like you have done 02:45:56
raises 5% and for some reason that one must have got. I must have missed it. So umm I think it's supposed to be 65 one. What do 02:46:02
you have on here for county assessor, county assessment. 02:46:07
That was brought to my attention after I sent it out. 02:46:17
OK, that's fine. 02:46:37
I just know that I made some reductions in the first requested budget. 02:46:40
Umm, and some of those I had, I had come down a little bit on those also umm the court administrator position. Umm, that was a 02:46:44
huge jump. And so I think I put that at 70 or 75,000, which was still a huge increase from what is that right now. 02:46:51
Umm. 02:47:00
You're asking me where else? Well, you you said the Chinese assessor. It's fine, OK, It's fine. I'm there. 02:47:01
And go back to Quartz again. That's just where I made some of my cuts. Umm. On some of those positions it adds up. But there's a 02:47:12
lot of a lot of people there. Umm, that I had made some concessions on. Umm. 02:47:18
Also in the prosecutor's office, umm, there were several positions that were attorneys that were getting like $10,000 increases or 02:47:26
whatever. I didn't do that. I kept them at 5% because their incomes are large and I understand that they're, you know, we go to 02:47:32
school to be attorneys, but they also have French benefits by having insurance. 02:47:38
And uh, you know, what do you call it? Retirement that you don't get when you're a private sector's attorney. So that's why it's 02:47:45
not that I wouldn't like to see them get up there, but initially I had lowered that sense. 02:47:50
So that's some of the areas that are and then UMM, of course I lowered a call center by 200,000. 02:47:58
But I thought, that's what we're obligated to, to pay. No, that's what's. 02:48:05
It's not. There's gonna be $400,000 short, so we are currently at 1.1 something. I'd have to look at the numbers. Umm, he's gonna 02:48:10
be 400 short and nobody else is increasing, so he's just having us to pay that $400,000. Well, where where would it come from? 02:48:18
I mean it's it's we know it's gonna be an obligation. If it's something we know we're gonna have to pay on the end of the day, 02:48:28
it's like when do I mean they need to be responsible to get that contract done. 02:48:33
They need to work through that process. 02:48:38
You know, I I don't know. 02:48:41
Either that or we need to lower the public safety and go back to the drawing board and talk to Anderson and either fund the call 02:48:44
center at the top of the public. 02:48:48
And it'll be reduced down accordingly. Only people that we have to get approval from is is us and Anderson we have the majority 02:48:53
on. 02:48:56
Without raising taxes. 02:49:00
And what I'm afraid of is this got dropped 400,000 this year. This has been a working process. I mean, Council Reese, we're 02:49:02
hearing we don't even deal with it. 02:49:06
I mean, it's the commissioners who control it, but what I'm afraid. 02:49:11
If they decided to do whatever the city account, they don't pay. 02:49:15
And thinking ahead comps was still to with 400,000 that dropped in our life this year so. 02:49:20
I think we have discussed, and I think Commissioner Rich Wine was kind of favor this. We had discussion with him about taking off 02:49:27
the public safety repair that you know that way we don't need it because this has been going on for a while. 02:49:33
And I don't want next year to be 600,000. 02:49:39
I mean, at what point do we say enough to not I really funded them, I'm in favor of funding it. 02:49:42
But we have to work out this agreement between the other municipalities. 02:49:48
Is Jenny here? 02:49:52
She was. She was she. I thought the counter was ultimately, I mean, I I agree with you, but I think I thought the county was 02:49:54
obligated. 02:49:58
You know, I mean, everybody, everybody wants that agreement to get worked out. Well, I wish it was, uh, I think. 02:50:02
The concern is because we know it's not worked out yet, if we underfund that line and then we have to pay that anyway and we 02:50:11
aren't really passing a balanced budget if we know that there's nothing in place. 02:50:17
Umm, to make that up, you know? 02:50:24
Well, if we counsel Miguel, what if we just started and and made a vote on the and I don't we have to get the taxation unit or I I 02:50:27
understand that. But looking forward we're pretty close. I mean do we take it on the top of the county tax and fund it that way I 02:50:33
mean because we did a piece of tax. 02:50:39
It's not gonna, I mean it's not gonna so to make it fair because we can't make the towns and cities that it's under statutory I 02:50:47
think. I think the the process. 02:50:51
To do anything like that. 02:50:55
Takes a lot longer than what we have to be able to pass this budget and and so we would be starting 2024 with an underfunded. 02:50:58
Line and something that with no guarantee that it would. 02:51:07
Coming in into reality. So Jenny, do you to get through 24, do you need a total are you gonna? 02:51:11
So Councilwoman Arc suggested if we gave 200,000. 02:51:21
Can you get through 24200 thousand if you've got to have the whole 400,000? 02:51:25
400,000 for the for my appropriation for 2024. 02:51:30
Including the 5% increase for the employees, yes, I need the full, the full amount, umm we're under, we're going to the 02:51:35
negotiation regarding our dispatch fees with our towns and cities, UH with the Commissioner's Office. 02:51:42
There's different proposals that are on the table for, umm, the funding of. 02:51:50
I will make it through 2023 and I believe through. 02:51:56
I believe that's September of 2024 with my current budget, but I will. 02:52:00
I will fall short. However, that's if umm going off of the our towns and cities and the different entities that currently. 02:52:06
Contribute to our dispatch fees. Umm if those if those fees if they pay those fees for 2024. 02:52:14
I will be good umm. However with we do have some past due arrears that approximately a half $1,000,000 from different UH towns and 02:52:21
through throughout Madison County of our different entities and if those things are paid for 2023 and 2024 and then if they pay 02:52:30
the reoccurring fees for 2024, I will be UMM. 02:52:38
I'll make it through the end of the year until something else is. 02:52:47
Figured out. So if we as a council, if we appropriate let's just say half that 200,000. 02:52:52
And it's uh Jenny just said they're in negotiations. 02:52:58
I don't know if you're getting closer or not. I mean, I don't know. 02:53:02
But no matter what. 02:53:06
Uh, and and I know they're just staying very well from the council, I think Councilman Gill and and counseling. 02:53:08
Emery, I don't wanna put salaries. 02:53:15
No rainy day. That is a bad idea. 02:53:20
And I've been warned about that. 02:53:22
Many other times. Uh so. But if we appropri. 02:53:24
Money to get ginning. 02:53:28
So no matter what we have to fund, if we. 02:53:30
We have enough money to. 02:53:33
And then we can plan ahead in an extra 25 and next year. But it looks like they're getting somewhere, right, Jenny looks like 02:53:36
they're getting somewhere. So if we. 02:53:39
To at least 200. 02:53:44
And that would get you through you're comfortable to say? 02:53:46
Well, I'd also like to include Essential Dispatch operates on 2 funds. We have our Central dispatch fund and then also our 02:53:49
statewide 911 fund. Those are funds that we received from the states that are restricted. Umm, it includes 2 salaries, some of our 02:53:55
utility costs and machinery and equipment. 02:54:00
Umm, but it's very restrictive and monitored by the state. Our central dispatch fund. We do not receive any money umm out of the 02:54:06
general fund and only we operate. 02:54:11
On the funds or on the fees that are collected from the different entities that we provide services for, so we do not receive any 02:54:16
of the first time. 02:54:20
Well and still we don't re we're I didn't budget for this is just the money that we have currently and cash carried over for 2024. 02:54:24
We don't receive any money from general fund. 02:54:29
I guess I should say it's always been 1.1 million from the Commission because that department doesn't get any money from general 02:54:36
fund. That doesn't really help us because we need to cut. 02:54:41
Commissioners to 1.1. 02:54:47
And that went up 400,000. 02:54:51
We received, we received UH funding from the City of Anderson and also Madison County if that's what you're referring to. But 02:54:55
other than that, we don't receive any funds at a general fund at all. We operate strictly on the funds received from the different 02:55:01
towns and cities. So would you feel comfortable if we appropriate 200,000 instead of 400 to get you through? 02:55:07
To clarify that McAfee, yeah, I don't focus on, no, I don't need that. It's not 200,000, it's it's one million, 1.3 million 02:55:15
instead of 1.5 million. If we appropriate 1.3, that's $200,000 more than what you have now. It'd be 1.1 for 24, we'd give you 1.3. 02:55:21
Do you are you comfortable with that? 02:55:28
I would need to look umm. 02:55:38
Thank you. 02:55:41
It would end up being short though if if if it still remains part of the course that we've had for the last several years. So I 02:55:42
think we have to plan on fully funding it. 02:55:46
And then when things happen and we don't have to use it and that's just a bonus, but to have to find that funding later may be 02:55:52
really difficult. I think it's very important that we fully fund it right from the front, UH, expecting just to fund it for the 02:55:58
year. And then again if if the other agreements come through and we get some of that money back and great. 02:56:05
But if we don't fund it up front and we have to come up with $200,000 next September, we have that extra $1,000,000 in the public 02:56:12
safety fund from paying office this year. 02:56:17
Right. So we could not send it completely up front and then next year? 02:56:22
And then And then, yeah, yeah. And then we got to the end of the year and people were confused as to why there wasn't enough 02:56:57
money. 02:56:59
You know, and so I mean I. 02:57:02
I think that if if the Council's intent would be to use some of that leftover public safety money. 02:57:06
To fully fund it, then, we ought to go ahead and put that in the public safety budget. 02:57:13
For the this next year, umm, so that. 02:57:18
We've got it in place. 02:57:21
It's, it's held for that purpose, Umm, but then we also have to be really careful. I mean you know, we do have to to acknowledge 02:57:22
that we've got a very expensive jail project and we've had massive inflation and interest interest rates, uh, have gone through 02:57:27
the roof since that was all planned so. 02:57:32
We're, we're likely gonna need. 02:57:39
An extra amount of money to draw, uh, from to to make sure that project is done properly. So Council McGill, may I ask a question? 02:57:41
I've had more and more price conversations with a couple layers. 02:57:49
Umm, I'm sorry. 02:57:54
When do we get to a point where we stay as US Council? 02:57:57
To say we just need to take it on top of this customer Nord and I think Commissioner Richline was kind of in favor of that 02:58:01
actually I believe California, is that right? 02:58:05
And we have a meeting with Council Commissioner Bridgewell to make it fair on everyone. And because I don't make much, actually we 02:58:09
can make them pay. That's in the statute. 02:58:14
So do you think that's, I mean, I mean because we don't know when this is gonna cost 400,000. Jenny has done a great job but again 02:58:19
you were prepared but I think the fairways take it off the tax of the county and and and it's funded we don't have to worry about 02:58:24
it. 02:58:28
OK, so I think we need to think about adjusting the County Council fully fund. No, no, no, no, no. I'm not following them. Go 02:58:35
ahead, counselor Norton, you know better on the public safety tax. When it was passed, the taxi passed. It had to be passed by the 02:58:39
Texans, right? 02:58:44
The two largest members of that tax and board of the City of Anderson and up. So at the end of the day, if we can get the City of 02:58:50
Anderson to agree without raising taxes, to take the call center costs off the top of the public safety distribution prior to it 02:58:56
being distributed to everybody else, including us. 02:59:02
You pay. You pay the call center off. 02:59:09
That's the first thing, and then it gets distributed out equally. 02:59:12
To the rest of the municipality. 02:59:16
Now it's my understanding that you know Anderson and I and and we pay the majority of that call center and umm. 02:59:18
It honestly would not affect our line item, uh, that much as far as what we would be reduced because we already paid such a 02:59:26
substantial amount on the call center. 02:59:31
Umm, I've seen the numbers from our accountants, whatever they ran. Umm, this is a conversation. 02:59:36
Was brought up months ago. 02:59:43
Umm with the Commissioners and or worked on and we we need to either. 02:59:46
As I say, they're get off the pot or go. I have some conversations. 02:59:51
Commissioners office on this as well and. 02:59:55
I do believe the commissioners would be in favor of that, the problem they're getting or running into. 02:59:59
Uh, the mayor of Anderson is is not the paper of going that route this time. 03:00:05
So until. 03:00:10
Both parties can agree to move forward in a kind of a moot point. 03:00:11
To see if I can't get him to change his mind and and I think the council the City Council be not to marry but I get what you're 03:00:18
saying yeah but but it's actually kind of like us and the City Council would vote I I think where I'm at is that could be a 03:00:24
positive step but it is a process that takes time. Yeah. I, I and and I don't like to set a budget where we're banking on 03:00:31
something like that that could very easily not not pan out you know. 03:00:37
With those types of pro processes. 03:00:44
There's no guarantee. You know, even when people say they'll vote for it and they support it, doesn't always come down. 03:00:48
But are also gonna be putting pressure on other units because they're not gonna be receiving that money anymore. So there's a lot 03:00:55
of policies. Yeah, I mean, that may force some of the smaller municipalities to have to shrink their public safety. Umm, you know, 03:01:02
which may be cutting an officer or supplies or pay. Umm, So they'd be fighting to protect what what they feel they need to. Well, 03:01:10
and it would be more conducive for them to come to the table and give us a reasonable amount that we'd ask for and it wasn't. 03:01:17
What they lose in public safety, That makes sense, right? And so, again, I. 03:01:25
I I'm personally not opposed to looking into that. I just don't think it's something that. 03:01:29
Right now we can bank on and setting our budget. You know, I I I would be concerned. 03:01:35
So that process may not pan out the way we want it to or or within the timing just given half the other 200,000 and we 03:01:40
appropriated it out of the public safety fund for next year. 03:01:46
Umm. And if it didn't fall, if it didn't fall through, if it fell through, then we would have to look at some of it back into the 03:01:53
budget the following year. 03:01:56
I think that's. 03:02:01
Since. 03:02:04
And that way we can use some of that 200,000 to maybe get some. 03:02:05
You're talking about moving some of the dispatch fees to public safety 200, two 100,000? 03:02:12
Umm, what do you do? You guys have thoughts on that? 03:02:19
Or or other. Do you have thoughts on that moving the 200,000 to public safety from the dispatch? 03:02:23
This section of course from the County International. 03:02:34
I I heard a lot of talk about uh. 03:02:38
That's been discussed for almost two years. 03:02:43
Uh-huh. 03:02:48
Small hands with a few of the pay, and that's the name of my phone on the way. Like it. It sounds like a wonderful idea, but the 03:02:54
problem is with the history, with having not paid for, what, at least a year and a half, some of them 2022 and 2005? So what makes 03:03:02
us think? I guess I'm just not willing to gamble on the fact that they're gonna pay. I love the idea. 03:03:10
Of the public safety money to pay for which is public safety months. So so then that that that question then really it sounds 03:03:21
like. 03:03:24
For moving forward on the 24 budget and maybe working through that process and seeing seeing what can be done in the future is 03:03:29
just a question of are we willing to umm spend next year some of that umm surplus we have in public safety that that we were 03:03:37
intending to umm pull back for potentially some you know upfront cost of the jail or some other, some other unknowns. I mean 03:03:44
that'd be less money we'd have to finance if we did that. Umm not one time cost, yeah and and umm. 03:03:52
Councilman Steele, am I correct in Europe budget that you you proposed, umm, you were already using a portion of that 350,000, OK, 03:04:01
roughly. So that would give us 550,000 that we'd be using of the 1.2% two and one numbers in my head right now. So umm. 03:04:11
So again, I mean. 03:04:21
Maybe it works out. 03:04:24
Maybe we're just taking a can down the road and. 03:04:27
You know, so I mean, I mean if we use it on public safety emergencies, that would be different long as we don't go crazy and just 03:04:30
start giving us salaries and the commitment. It's not. For instance, uh, bulletproof windshield was a one time project where we 03:04:36
don't repeat every year and that's a little different. We're not committed. We're essentially gonna commit these files. Well, that 03:04:42
buys us some time. That all buys us some time as Dennis said that. 03:04:48
They might be in closer and and they have been at a while and I'm and I don't want to doubt that I know what Jenny is saying but. 03:04:54
I also know reality this has been going on for let's let's come back and what what are some yeah there's some other I'm through 03:05:01
with. I can just tell you that I had my budget at the same amount that you did umm and I've told you some of the areas where I 03:05:08
reduced umm where you had given more generously than I did and was. I mean is there other departments you want to look at? Because 03:05:15
I'm. I'm afraid the part was a big one. I I I'm really afraid to change anything in the court I respect. 03:05:22
Umm, well, I thought that they put forth. And the prosecutor's office is another one that I looked at, 5% increases for the larger 03:05:29
salaries. 03:05:33
Umm some of the smaller salaries. I wanna ask him some questions. 03:05:38
Mr. Hammond is here, Chief Deputy. 03:05:44
And he's under the same pressure. 03:05:50
I mean at the end of the day, I mean we all want they all, all the departments would like to see generous increases in all their 03:05:54
employees. I get that. I just would really like to take care of our lower paid people this year. 03:06:00
Thank you. 03:06:07
When you go to, when you're talking about you had to hold, you have to hold back. 03:06:10
125% you got to make sure you're not getting that. 03:06:18
Yeah, you have to have it. Is that the 1.5? 03:06:23
1.5 And then there's also the radio bond you pay out of there, correct? 03:06:27
That comes straight off the top. That's the only one in the bottom structure. And then move off the radius for every down fire 03:06:32
department. 03:06:36
He's only a higher UH channel. UH those bond payments were $747,000 a year, down half of it and. 03:06:39
That comes right off the side of that what we get, right, Yes. 03:06:52
Yeah, and I think the public safety was the six million and something right is what the state said. 03:06:57
I haven't had some six $6,314,033. 03:07:04
Yep, that's what it is. 03:07:13
So 1.5 comes off of that, correct? And then the radio bonds come off of that, correct? And that's what's left. 03:07:17
And then it's a gel lit, is that separate from that number? 03:07:31
So according to the turn out from the state, we got 6.282 million coming in for jail lit every year. 03:07:35
OK, so let me get this corrected. Public Safety, Mr. Garner, is that Separ? 03:07:49
From You got to jail it all by itself. We raised .0 two 1.5 million. 03:07:54
1.5 million. 03:08:00
Is designated to the bond right? Is that correct? You you have to prove when you build that jail, you have to prove that you can 03:08:03
cover those bonds payments by 125%. 03:08:08
The, let's say the 100% of that bond payment comes from UH, the gel web, the correctional lift and then you have to cover that by 03:08:13
another 25% UH and that would come from the you have to guarantee that you can cover it by 25% in the is that over a million and a 03:08:20
half that we have to get. So that was the 1.5 million and a half that's the 1.5 that that's the 25%. So you've got, you've got 03:08:27
your yes, you've got your public safety. 03:08:35
And off the top of that, you can't count a million and a half of that and you can't count the 700,000 for the bond payment. 03:08:42
That's the short answer to them. Can I can I just offer in the, I guess, spirit of compromise? I I really don't like the idea of 03:08:50
digging deeper into public safety, but. 03:08:56
I also really don't like the idea of. 03:09:03
You know, not fixing some of the problems with pay structure in in other public safety departments, our course, our prosecutor's 03:09:08
office. 03:09:11
They've had significant. 03:09:15
I don't think. 03:09:18
We're doing the county big picture a favor. 03:09:20
Cutting some of these. 03:09:24
Proposed funding for different different pay lines in in their departments. Umm. 03:09:28
So, I mean, I'd be willing to entertain the idea of, you know, let's, let's. 03:09:33
At least gets us to a point where we're looking for them like $27,000, umm, and we can have a functional budget. I think this is 03:10:14
still a question though. We we still have not looked at the M triple C, correct? So above and beyond the 221 come back OK. 03:10:24
Once we. 03:10:34
Yeah. So maybe we have all of the UH proposed increases, we deal with that first and then we just have a bigger. 03:10:34
Figures you have to. 03:10:42
So like I was saying before, and I I know that you guys are, you know, disagree with me on this, but I think to go from. 03:10:46
$37,334 as a court reporter to 44,000 is a substantial increase. 03:10:54
Umm, and I think that is a really. I think they would be exceptionally happy with that and I think that we would be able to be a 03:11:02
qualified people and but that's my own personal opinion. 03:11:06
Umm, what buzz are you talking about? 03:11:11
Or. 03:11:14
Judge wanna speak to that? I was there anything exceptional to that? Did we move somebody experienced into that position? I don't 03:11:16
recall. 03:11:20
We've lost a lot of experienced people. Uh. 03:11:26
The. 03:11:36
One leaves like their library of knowledge stretches on fire, right and burns to the ground every time. Moonlight and we continue 03:11:38
to loom and lose and lose. And that will continue until we are able to increase the gallery line through what is comparable to 03:11:46
other similarly situated accounts, which is what was presented to the counselor. The budget and a lot has significant concessions 03:11:53
and the overall increase is 5.6%. 03:12:00
Focusing those resources awareness cuts to the areas that we needed the most, the corporate quarters especially and board 03:12:08
administration. 03:12:11
Right. And and I mean turnover. 03:12:16
Administrator for $75,000. 03:12:20
No. 03:12:23
Umm, like we've seen in the jail and and I'd love for everyone in the jail to to make that. Umm. But cutting Port reporters back 03:12:58
just a little bit more isn't gonna make up for for anywhere even close to the difference of what the jail budget is blew to. So we 03:13:04
have to. 03:13:09
Find some other other source of funding really. And selling a few $1000 from a few lines here and there isn't it is the only back 03:13:17
door view actually I I agree with Councilman getting on that but the only back door I see the difference is Administrator has 03:13:22
someone in there right now. 03:13:26
Jill and some of these places are way short staffed for a long time and they're they're facing the same thing with not being able 03:13:32
to fall. But there's some, the difference is we have spots that's been open that last year bought that this year fighting that 03:13:37
which we're dealing with public safety. 03:13:42
On the day of the inmates and in our official or our our CEOs, but they have someone in there right now. 03:13:47
And you know the same thing for the GL commander and assistant commander that that you wanted raises and you're talking 100 and 03:13:56
but I'm really not giving them a raise. I know it looks like a MRI but the overtime they're gonna make with the overtime, I mean 03:14:01
you can make an exempt. 03:14:06
I mean, I mean, if you look. 03:14:13
You can't go after one. 03:14:16
Higher paid person and leave others unstated. 03:14:18
What? What is the amount that she what shares that? 03:14:25
How are you doing right now? So share with, with, with the general commanders over time. 03:14:32
Because I asked you about this line item. 03:14:40
We we set her at 100,000 which Councilman aren't good. What is her overtime with what she makes now and you said it's close to 03:14:43
$100 right? Right. She was on we had. 03:14:48
Extrapolate out based on when we submitted the budget, where she'd be at, and she was over 96,000 at that point in time. But 03:14:53
that's in addition to, like the instant we had where the officer got punched in the face, she had to come down and, you know, take 03:14:58
over. 03:15:02
List of what's going on. It takes more composition back over so. 03:15:08
So she's gonna be close to 100,000 anyway, and Councilman Gales as well. 03:15:11
Account is paying for one side or the other, whether it's you, you put it in exemplary one level or we put her back over there and 03:15:16
show the salary. 03:15:20
73 or 63? 03:15:26
You're gonna pay for the overtime line and and let's be honest, we were talking about employee retention. If you're paying someone 03:15:29
currently $96,000 a year, whether that's salary and overtime combined or just salary or whatever, if then all of a sudden you say, 03:15:35
oh, you're now exams you don't get over time, now you're only gonna make 70, some $1000 a year. 03:15:41
Do you think that person's gonna stick around very long because. 03:15:47
Then they just got a $20,000 pay cut. And I I think that's the difficult position that we're put in. But we're kinda we have to 03:15:52
pay it one way or another or we're gonna. 03:15:57
Or we're probably gonna lose that employee, right? And then the next person is gonna do the same amount of hours because the jail 03:16:02
is. 03:16:05
An animal that you gotta deal with on a day-to-day, 24 hour day basis. Hmm. 03:16:09
Over 300 hours in overtime so far this year, Yeah, I mean the jail commander, the assistant jail commander are actually on call 03:16:15
all the time. And with the jail being short, our jail commander was supposed to come in for overtime. This officer right here is 03:16:22
stepped up on overtime, come in and got punched in the face. 03:16:29
I don't hear me. I don't want Cassandra as well. I worked at the department for 16 years. It is my career. I love my job, even 03:16:37
with a fractured face. 03:16:41
I come to work. 03:16:45
So I haven't missed. 03:16:47
Since I got punched in the face by a male and I say male teeth is not a man, a man doesn't hit a woman. OK? Period. 03:16:49
I came in on my day off on a Saturday. 03:16:56
To come in because we didn't have a full time. 03:17:00
No one works. You can't staff a jail without a female. That's a lawsuit waiting to happen. I'm not gonna make my jail commander 03:17:03
leave her family again to have to come in. 03:17:08
So I came in. 03:17:13
Not even an hour into my shift, doing my job like I always do, I was not complacent. I was not not paying attention. 03:17:15
I was dealing with somebody. 03:17:22
Apparently just didn't like a woman telling him what to do and struck me in the face. 03:17:24
I had to go to the emergency room. I have two. I have two fractured bones in my face. That happened on a Saturday on the 30th. 03:17:29
I came back to work on Monday. 03:17:35
So I came back to work on Monday. I. 03:17:38
Probably two or three hours early because I have a massive headache staring at my screen. 03:17:41
This it, It is. It's an animal, you know? And I don't, I don't say this because I I think that I'm the greatest and I deserve more 03:17:48
money, but. 03:17:51
I've worked there 16 years and I think. 03:17:56
This is the precipice of my breaking point. 03:18:01
I shouldn't have to choose whether or not my family eats healthy. 03:18:04
And then working overtime, that's the only reason I'm able to survive is because I have to work overtime to be able to pay. 03:18:10
Succeed my family and it's I don't go out watching movies. I don't go out to eat we. 03:18:16
We survived. We have a good time. I take care of my children. 03:18:22
I'm married. I have a husband who has a job and we still can't survive. 03:18:25
Umm, I'm just gonna go read this. It's gonna take you like a minute and then that's all I wanna do. 03:18:31
So that maybe because I don't, I don't think this is gonna get solved tonight. I don't. 03:18:36
But maybe you guys can think about this and some of you that might be on the verge. 03:18:40
You know 5% is good enough if not. 03:18:45
It's not. 03:18:48
And I understand that you have to find it somewhere. 03:18:49
But maybe hearing this will make you think about it better, because. 03:18:52
After 16 years, I just. I wanna be done. 03:18:57
That's sad because I love my job most of the time, you know, Not only most of the time. OK, So I'm just gonna read this and then 03:19:04
I'm gonna. That's it. That's all I wanna be able to do. 03:19:08
So maybe you guys. 03:19:12
You know, talk amongst each other and really dig into the budget because you can't tell me it's not they're somewhere. 03:19:14
It's somewhere. 03:19:19
It's it's somewhere. I mean, I worked there for 16 years and I'm getting paid $22.00 an hour. 03:19:22
OK, so I'm gonna read it and then I'm done. OK, so I I apologize. I'm gonna try to get through this and just be done with it. 03:19:27
So throughout my 16 year career. 03:19:33
Multiple invitations have been sent out from this administration and the previous administration. Some visits detention center. 03:19:35
As Perkins glimpse of what we deal with on a daily basis with our facility, gratitude and thank you goes to those who have 03:19:43
actually taken that offer and come and seen what we have to deal with. So I appreciate that. 03:19:48
For those of you have not. 03:19:53
There's a little bit of data for you. 03:19:55
Since January, there have been 2000 incidences inside this facility. 03:19:58
Over 400 of them, not including that #1M triple. 03:20:04
2000 in the Madison County Jail. 03:20:08
These incidences range from use of Source. 03:20:11
After results, inmate on inmate assaults, medical emergencies and mental health emergencies. 03:20:14
Search, which is the correctness emergency response team, which I'm also part of. 03:20:20
Has been activated for those incidences occurring within this facility 10 times this year. 03:20:24
That averages at least once a month. 03:20:30
Activation of the search is due to a situation that unable will be resolved by normal operating staff there, so we are trained to 03:20:33
be able to handle changing situations if they just it's not safe for them to deal with. 03:20:39
High risk transport have increased due to the level of charges and animate behavior. The average daily intake of new arrests on an 03:20:46
average of seven days is 15 people. 03:20:50
The facility has 207 beds. The daily average population for the month of September alone was 287. 03:20:56
So that's eighty more people than we have. 03:21:04
Somewhere to put. 03:21:06
It means we have people housing day. 03:21:08
So we're doing Deal Tech with two officers and there's four people in the day room. 03:21:10
I can take care of myself. I mean, I stood up the whole time this happened. I didn't go out. 03:21:15
But if four people jump me, I'm, I'm going down. It's not. I can't. There's no way I'm 5/2. 03:21:21
22 inmates are currently housed at other counties or facilities due to spacing limitations. 03:21:28
And Triple C maintains consistently full because our detention center population continues to be overpopulated. 03:21:34
We have 8 cells that are unable to be utilized, which creates an even larger limitation inside our housing. 03:21:40
Facility. These stem from accountable issues presented by deteriorating conditions of facilities are beyond the control of their 03:21:46
general preventative maintenance. 03:21:50
During exit interviews conducted when officers leave, it shows the top reasons for resignation are salary. 03:21:55
Number one. 03:22:03
Concerns for security due to building conditions, plumbing issues, not malfunctioning equipment. 03:22:05
Short staffing and continuous overtime. 03:22:11
Contraband was former fentanyl, heroin, methamphetamines, syringes, weapons. Nothing bodily was. 03:22:15
Species Urine and blood. 03:22:21
Are located on the person that we pat down the arrest fees and inside the housing unit which places officers in a dangerous 03:22:26
situation daily. While I continue to discuss and evaluated raises done by the Sheriff Benin for 20.4 budget, I ask that you take 03:22:31
into considering from the environment that these staff are working within. Raises for departments to become comparable to 03:22:37
surrounding counties is necessary. I would absolutely decide to drive to Hamilton County and get paid more who advised 16 years of 03:22:42
experience. 03:22:48
But recognition of the type of work being performed must also be evaluated day in and day out. The staff that I work with have 03:22:56
dedicated themselves to the Department to encounter resentment, hostility, drug use, contraband weapons and mental health issues. 03:23:02
Yet they continue to show up and perform their duties despite all their adversities they have to deal with. 03:23:09
These men and women deserve to be recognized and compensated for their job that they do. 03:23:15
We shouldn't be discredited for the salaries based on the departments requiring 1 to validate their duties. Ask yourself if you 03:23:20
would be willing to perform those duties with this salary you're looking to provide. I guarantee you not one of you would stand in 03:23:25
this place and put this uniform on. 03:23:30
In the day and age that the inmates that we have to deal with. 03:23:36
75% of our job now is mental health. 03:23:39
And it's insane. 03:23:43
For the pictures, this is my face. 03:23:49
This is what it looked like. I'm not gonna. 03:23:52
So recent couple of young people. 03:23:54
This is what I look like. This is another officer that had a lacrosse on his. 03:23:57
Because and they said we've had to deal. 03:24:02
Contaban that we've had to deal with. 03:24:06
Saying this is. 03:24:09
Sink of metal that they decided to. 03:24:10
And then plumbing issues. 03:24:14
Rope on rope on rope. They like to take things and flush it down the toilet, stick it out the windows get constantly up into our 03:24:17
facilities. 03:24:20
Who knows what it is? Guns. 03:24:23
Unless we find the hole in time. 03:24:26
Who knows? 03:24:28
Perfect. Thank you. Thank you. And at the end of the day, guys, we're looking at putting them at $22.00 an hour, which is a 03:24:30
$45,760 salary. 03:24:35
I understand that the prosecutors office and the courts want greater salary to be able to compete, but at the end of the day 03:24:42
they're not dealing with what our jail product people are dealing with and I think it needs to be a priority. 03:24:47
Over everybody else, I think it needs to be a priority, I just like to add. 03:24:53
When this council did the COVID hazard pay? 03:24:58
There were tiers and people were paid differently based on. 03:25:02
How hazardous her job was with COVID? How high of risk were they at when they kept coming to work? And so to me by that same. 03:25:07
Mentality. 03:25:15
It's OK to give the jail staff an N triple CA little bit higher raise than everyone else because of the risk that they take on 03:25:17
every day when they come to work. 03:25:21
You know, with our working copy of our budget now it has those raises in there the sheriff's requested and so again, trying to. 03:25:28
Continually brought us in a forward direction. Umm, are there other departments we need to look at now? 03:25:36
So is that where we need to say there are 22 starting now? 03:25:43
For a 2010% raise, oh that would be 20. So let's look at in triple T and and see what headway we make there and then we'll see 03:25:47
what we have to come up with. I just wanted to say too, umm, the jail is a 24 hour operation. Just like patrol. We have to have 03:25:54
people in those positions. Umm and right and just pass as well. 03:26:01
You know, so it's not that and I'm not discrediting the course or the men and women in the offices at all. Don't. I don't want it 03:26:08
construed that way. But that's why she was in on overtime because there was not a female. It's a 24 hour opera operation. Snow 03:26:16
days, we go to work, we go to work on snow days, we don't get anything extra to go to work on snow days. And the courthouse is 03:26:23
closed and get paid 8 hours for staying home. I mean there's there's a difference in public safety. 03:26:30
And non public safety positions. And I'd ask that you keep that in mind when you're looking at these. I've cut everywhere. I even 03:26:38
reduced my pay to make sure the jail staff could try to get their increases that they deserve. I've been at the department 29 03:26:43
years and I started in the jail. 03:26:47
So M triple T. 03:26:56
We're going to MCC complex. 03:26:58
Just just let it go. 03:27:04
So looking at M triple C, this, this is the misdemeanor fund that. 03:27:11
The request was to bring that salary, that subsidized salary there, a along with what was the 23 budget? 03:27:17
To take full account of that and move it into the public state or UH, move it into the UH General Fund. 03:27:27
So the yellow items on the right are the UMM, original 23 budget, adding the misdemeanor in there and coming up with the 23 03:27:35
budget. So is is an adjusted budget for the year. Umm. 03:27:42
And then the request and then comparing that to the requested budget. 03:27:52
So what does that put them in? 03:27:57
Uh, I worked with Dave and I don't remember he didn't give a matrix per SE. Well, he he did give you a matrix. I asked him for 03:28:01
that specifically. 03:28:05
I thought this got a month. 03:28:11
21, 1/2 or 22? I don't remember the minimum. 03:28:14
Yeah, I thought that with this one, David was involved and we got him where he wanted to be. Are you remember correctly, but. 03:28:21
You know express by cutting well. He asked for three positions, additional positions and then cut or asked for four and then we 03:28:28
cut 3. 03:28:32
Umm, so as far as pay increases, we get where he was wanting, yes? 03:28:38
So I I I would. 03:28:45
Would like to add that we would we would also want that pay parity for the officers that work at that complex. 03:28:47
Umm. During. 03:28:54
Like. 03:28:56
I'm not sure of the budget that I'm looking at. It looks like it would take a regular correction officer to 40,000 a year. Umm, I 03:28:58
don't. Unfortunately, I didn't bring that working. I think that's when the last time we spoke I think. 03:29:04
Gotten a few. 03:29:12
Right. And the and the one. 03:29:15
The one correction officer that you were giving to us knew is for work release. Umm. 03:29:19
Which is a whole other beast, uh, operating on a flat grant. 03:29:25
Of people again doing like. 03:29:31
Operating on 80% part time work, you have 5 full time officers. 03:29:35
24 hour, seven day week facility. 03:29:41
And you know you have people coming and going in and out of that facility all day. Umm potentially ingesting, uh any type of 03:29:46
adjustments on the outside coming in? 03:29:50
UMM and at the end of the day all of the 24 hour facilities are working with UMM like as Dale had said. 03:29:55
An individual that you're not working with, uh, 20 years ago, I mean, you got some mental health, you got substance abuse, you 03:30:04
have all these substances that you know if you touch a a particle of it that can. 03:30:10
You you canodine. 03:30:17
And the officers, again, you know, we've seen a lot of turnover in both of these facilities. 03:30:21
And I I think that it. 03:30:28
Be a smack in the face. 03:30:30
If we didn't look at that across the board for all the facilities that are doing life work, the original budget was. 03:30:32
Uh, 1.342 million in requested by this is 2,087,000. So it was 400 seven 140,000 increase or roughly a 50% increase. And when we 03:30:41
sat down with David, how close were your numbers joining with what? David uh, when I put in the matrix? But I also took into 03:30:49
consideration a few other things I took into consideration that umm. 03:30:57
Right now I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, umm, they do not get paid over time. No, they get holiday pay. 03:31:07
If they work on a holiday, they get that's what our overtime UH budget line, that's what that overtime pays for is just a working 03:31:16
holiday. But do they get shift premium to what we added in, OK and do they get that for UMM? 03:31:22
Work release as well. No, that was just M Triple C, right? Just for clarification is, is it they're not getting paid over time 03:31:30
because they're part time employees so they're not getting to that 40 hours. No, the complex is the majority of full time staff, 03:31:37
OK, umm, if they work a holiday, our overtime budget for the complex. 03:31:43
Was if they work a holiday, they get time and a half, OK. Umm. So we wanna include the work release center as well because it's 03:31:50
only fair. Again operating on 80% part time for a 24 hour facility. Umm. 03:31:57
And and right now we're down like 6. The complex I think is, uh, they just feel they've been without one full time officer, umm, 03:32:06
for several months. They just got that filled. But they're down on part time. So you're going to have. 03:32:13
There's full time people working. 03:32:21
Probably every holiday. 03:32:23
Hello. 03:32:26
But are people being scheduled in outside of holidays over time? 03:32:27
So not getting paid for overtime, they get comp time, OK. 03:32:32
So there is a compensation. 03:32:35
And and to your point, we wanted the matrix, Umm, we were proposed with 40,000. Like I'm just talking about a basic correction 03:32:38
officer, uh, full time, not a a shift supervisor. Umm. 03:32:43
It was proposed 40,000 umm but we would, we would also like. 03:32:51
Go with that matrix matrix as well. 03:32:56
It's possible and and and the other day I've had a lot of conversation with with Dave and our work release facility. 03:32:59
Umm. It's not being used the way it was intended to be used. 03:33:08
It's work release, which means people have jobs when they go in there for the most part and they pay to stay there. That was where 03:33:12
part of the funding came from for that job, for that position. It was a it was like instead of throwing you in prison, we're gonna 03:33:17
push in work release. It's a it's a a lesser. 03:33:22
Service, you know it's a lesser penalty for what you did wrong. Unfortunately, it's not being utilized that way and. 03:33:27
You know, it's they're having a hard time funding it and it needs to be really severely looked at and I've encouraged him to sit 03:33:35
down with the judges. 03:33:38
All of the judges and to take a hard look at how we're utilizing this facility because it's. 03:33:42
It's not being properly used. 03:33:48
Time to get the funding and to get those to pay. They don't have jobs. How are they gonna pay? You know, they shouldn't even be 03:33:51
under the beginning with. 03:33:56
There is a meeting scheduled I think later this month, umm to discuss some of these issues. I believe that I discussed with Mr. 03:34:01
Kane how much they are back in fees and you know that number. 03:34:06
I mean, quite a bit of money. It is. And and and and and I I got two good judges out here. Just like you gotta get lied to. Uh, 03:34:12
but. 03:34:16
And and and they say they have jobs and they don't. They go back there because I think we all need to get together and figure that 03:34:22
out because it's not working states over here with all this big money. And then Mr. Payne said they still haven't moved on. 03:34:28
The money they got from the state to help fund more of that, and we've been advised that 2024 budget or grants for DOC is not 03:34:35
gonna be increased either. Yeah. So then what do we need to do? Is there anything we need to do on this? 03:34:42
Department umm to adjust any of those 2024 council members. 03:34:50
To make members of the council, I can, I can give you the number for the matrix. 03:34:57
But like I said, I took into consideration some other things as well for work release. 03:35:03
Umm, giving them. Umm, I'd have to look at my original budget, what I actually did with that. Give me just a second here. 03:35:08
So what I did is umm I increased their part time. 03:35:21
I increased the part time to cover a $20.00 an hour times 29 hours, which is for your part time people. 03:35:28
What's going on? 03:35:36
Oh, I'm sorry. So $20.00 an hour times 29 hours, That's 580 a week times 52 weeks for your part time people. That's $30,160 times. 03:35:39
I believe you have seven part time people. What David said, no, we have more than that. Uh, Brett, 'cause we're we're 80% part 03:35:47
time, so we have not work release. Yes. OK. I was not able to do what I'd like to do with work release on this, be able to do. 03:35:54
There's gonna have to be some changes at that facility. Umm. 03:36:01
And that was a $211,000 plus. I gave him another 120. 03:36:10
1000 or $4.00 per hour increased supplement that is for work release part time. I did give that, that brought him up a little bit. 03:36:14
Umm. 03:36:22
Yeah, 15,000 lines. 03:36:25
So my part time was 312,000. 03:36:28
So then what other numbers? So then I had put them into the matrix. 03:36:44
Which takes and puts in their longevity into the matrix again and it brought them up to $22.00 an hour, just like the jail. 03:36:48
Umm. So for instance at the top of the. 03:36:58
That person would be making. 03:37:02
About 48,147. 03:37:05
So that that's actually gonna be less than what you're now. That's the 2020, that's without the misdemeanor over there, which is 03:37:08
8943. These are numbers that they gave me, that is the security supervisor. What's highlighted right there? 03:37:16
And then, uh, also just for clarity, is is. 03:37:24
Filled with. 03:37:29
Salaries in the misdemeanor fund that is there. This is not what I was getting was not because we we had that. I think we had a 03:37:31
very, uh, transparent conversation about the misdemeanor fund with everybody. Yeah. And what wanting to get that in the general 03:37:38
fund. So we don't have those numbers if you're looking or what David. 03:37:45
Wanted for those. 03:37:53
Those positions, so that security supervisor, the 55. 03:37:57
That would be the 43919 plus the 8943, is that correct? Correct. And you get to fit into you can see two in the north we have what 03:38:02
they were being paid out of the misdemeanor umm over towards the right and then? 03:38:10
And the highlighted yellow, umm, that would put him at 52,862 and I said it was 58147 because that includes the longevity. 03:38:17
Did I add that wrong? 03:38:28
I added the 43919 yes. 03:38:30
+8943? Mm-hmm. 03:38:34
That gives you the 52862. 03:38:37
And then did you add longevity to that? 03:38:41
The longevity. So I'm assuming that when David gave me the number 58147 was taken into consideration. Whatever that person's 03:38:44
longevity is that big of a. 03:38:50
Well, it's longevity. Paid out $75 per year service. Uh, I'm not sure exactly off the top of my head how long he's been there. I 03:38:57
think it's under five years. 03:39:03
Umm. 03:39:10
David, just text me. Uh, Nick is not in the matrix. 03:39:12
So that would be that security supervisor position. 03:39:17
So Councilman Steele, the council members. 03:39:22
Am I remembering right? That's all what David told us, and that includes moving away from the misdemeanor? 03:39:27
Yeah, So if that's the case, if that's getting him happy. 03:39:33
I would suggest. 03:39:39
That's pretty significant. Umm. 03:39:41
Improvement for one year as well. He's advocated strongly for the pay parity though, and so that may have made him happy with the 03:39:44
jail making what you have in your budget. But if we give the increase to the jail at $22.00 an hour, the stock's not going to be 03:39:50
on parity. Correct those numbers. 03:39:55
Because I I believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, you had miss 20. 03:40:01
$2020.00 an hour. 03:40:06
I didn't. I don't think we were looking at hourly wage. 03:40:09
Annual Spend so like Correction Officer 11619. 03:40:15
At 40,000, that was the base K, correct? Yes, I believe so. OK, that was the first year, so at $40,000 a year. 03:40:20
That's $19.23 cents, 90%. 03:40:30
Uh. 03:40:35
So that particular one there. 03:40:38
619. 03:40:42
I have them at 46555 which would be $20.00 an hour and their long debt. 03:40:47
But. 03:40:53
That is putting them at 22. 03:40:55
That's putting on chest. Well, what we don't know is the hours or years of service for each line or do you have that? I do not. 03:40:58
Well, I think that's what these numbers are in the day-to-day. I told him to give me the numbers with the. I think he did the 03:41:03
remedy and this is what I have here. 03:41:09
That's what he did, I believe, and I know he's. I'm 99% sure I sent this over to him to make sure that's correct. 03:41:15
So do we wanna just go ahead with those numbers, plug them in and see what that does, the overall budget and then we can always 03:41:23
revert back or make other adjustments. But I think part of what we're trying to see here is if we make all these changes, what 03:41:29
does that do, the overall budget? And then is that even possible? Can we come up with? 03:41:34
Other revenue sources or other cuts to balance it. 03:41:41
Uh, he, He texted. Uh. 03:41:47
Because some of those numbers are going to be. 03:41:52
And almost 8 thousand $8000 more. But remember it includes longevity. 03:41:55
And equipment 20. 03:42:00
Not 19. Something. Uh, do we have? Uh, what's our 170? 03:42:03
OK. 03:42:13
So we're already. 03:42:15
7800 for longevity that was Umm. 03:42:19
But I'm not sure. 03:42:24
I think what I'm looking at is the column. 03:42:27
On the left. 03:42:33
Which does not include the matrix. If you could keep that column on the left and then include the mayor to change the salaries to 03:42:36
include the matrix. 03:42:41
So the ones that I show that aren't in the matrix is the Business Office Manager, Assistant Manager, Excuse me, the field 03:42:49
Investigators are two of those. 03:42:53
And the training coordinator and the correctional. 03:42:58
Office maintenance Super. 03:43:02
I sure we're not in the matrix. I do show that the security supervisor was in the nature. 03:43:05
He. He. 03:43:11
He wasn't. 03:43:12
But you're you're correct, the two field officers. 03:43:15
The maintenance. 03:43:20
And the UH. 03:43:22
UH, Assistant was. 03:43:25
I know that there was work in the training coordinator, in the training coordinator. 03:43:27
I haven't highlighted the security supervisor, so I assume that that's nature. 03:43:34
So is it different than the 2024 budget that he proposed? 03:43:43
Yeah, because the 2024 budget, when he originally presented it to us, was not a. 03:43:47
It was, umm, trying to get his salaries up on some of those. Uh, he was hoping. 03:43:52
Have a additional. 03:43:58
Uh, what would you want to do there, There we were asking for. I think our original request was asking for four full time for work 03:44:01
release. 03:44:06
Umm. 03:44:12
Umm, I believe? He talked and said. We'll settle for one if we can get one at this time. 03:44:14
Umm. And he just reiterated that Nick was uh, the security supervisor was not in the matrix. 03:44:20
All right. Well. 03:44:31
Mm-hmm. 03:44:36
That's the only one that I have a discrepancy with. And I was in my budget, I was not giving us any additional work release people 03:44:38
and he knew that. 03:44:41
An employee he had requested. 03:44:46
OK. 03:44:50
And also uh, he wiped out his part time. 03:44:52
Budget altogether 150 for the complex? Yeah, for the 15001 he took out all of the part time. 03:44:56
They would they would have to have part time. Yeah he they couldn't operate if they didn't umm he said if we if we fund the 12110 03:45:04
line that goes away. Yeah that was a part time administrative assistant and we funded that line higher up, right. So that one went 03:45:10
away but 15,000 line which is part time for other employees that's that's still in there. Yeah. OK. So we're we're exactly there 03:45:17
so. 03:45:23
And I have the longevity of 3000. That was for the five employees that are not in the matrix. So that's 123. 03:45:35
And that's, that doesn't include the UH security supervisor with some of the correctional officers then, I mean. 03:45:42
What are we looking at for for a makes most of those one or two, zero or one year. I mean a lot of them and that's why they're at 03:45:48
the base. There's a handful that's been there for maybe five years and on, right. Most of them are very low aged. Uh, I'm looking 03:45:56
for though in our council members column we have $40,000. 03:46:03
What would how much of an influence would be? 03:46:12
Well, if if somebody's coming in at 0. 03:46:16
Uh, the matrix was started. 03:46:20
Give me the 450 thousand 45760. That's for $22.00 an hour. That's $22.00. 03:46:25
Seemed to be. 03:46:33
Fine, but not always not. 03:46:37
We spoke it. We realized it may be tough because there I mean they do similar jobs. I don't know what he. 03:46:40
It was originally the original budget didn't reflect the equality with the jail staff. 03:46:48
Yeah. Where where are we gonna advocate for pay parity and and especially like like jobs and again you know even with the work 03:46:57
really umm, it's it's gonna be, it's gonna be a situation there as well. 03:47:04
Mr. President, I. 03:47:11
I just wanna say one thing. 03:47:13
Discounts as a whole for years has been in favor of public safety positions. Umm, and some of our largest raises have been done 03:47:18
out publicly traditionally. 03:47:22
On. 03:47:32
I think the. 03:47:38
I understand the request for pay parity between. 03:47:40
The jail and and triple team was released. I I, I really do. I I have to say that I think we're comparing half of the one. 03:47:44
Umm. And what I mean by that is at the. 03:47:51
We have level one through level 6 selling again, we have violent offenders and we. 03:47:56
Uh, the worst of the worst in the gym. 03:48:02
And and and triple C. 03:48:05
Work release. We don't have those folks. 03:48:08
There's a lot of level fixes and UH and misdemeanor. 03:48:11
Do you have level 123? 03:48:16
We don't have level one. We have we have had some level twos. 03:48:19
Umm, and I mean every one of them has the potential to be violent. Each one of those facilities have a different level, you know 03:48:24
the jail when they come in, they're coming in off the street, you don't know what they're on. They're at a heightened state. So 03:48:30
that is umm, but we've also had escaping test over at the complex. We've also have multiple altercations and I'm, I'm not saying 03:48:36
that you don't have those. Yeah. 03:48:42
If you. 03:48:49
I'm just gonna say if you offer me $21.00 an hour to work at M triple C or work release or up to be 22 at the jail, I'm going in 03:48:51
triple C in the jail. I've been in a bookless facility and all day long, I mean. 03:48:57
Again, I I I believe that we do need to do it, but I think our dealers should make the folks working in the jail. 03:49:03
Should be paid a little higher than the first interest fee and worker. That's just my two cents on that. I will. I will add to 03:49:09
that council member. I did work for Chuck Donnie in the overflow jail and I'll say there's one difference because I experienced 03:49:13
it. 03:49:17
When you've got, When they've got. 03:49:23
And we've got a fight in there and you've got. 03:49:25
I was very lucky. I'm not afraid that I'm looking in your eye. That's great. And the second week there I was doing a breakfast. 03:49:28
Big fight and I ordered everybody back to the Bronx if they didn't have been done. 03:49:34
So the difference is they got locked down, they've got gained a little bit in their they can order them back to the lost. 03:49:39
Over there you got an open dorm that doesn't work for them guys to go. Again, that's that's just one big difference. I just wanted 03:49:46
to put a lot of people so, umm. 03:49:49
Again, trying to keep us moving in some direction, whether it's the right one or not. 03:49:55
Do we? 03:50:02
Punching matrix numbers do we have the numbers to punch those in or do we wanna use the 24 requested or stay with the council 03:50:03
numbers even with the council members right now that's a a $6500 a year rate on a lot of those corrections officers. Umm and we 03:50:10
have to decide is can we do more than that. I mean we still have $389,000 we gotta find somewhere without making any further 03:50:18
adjustments to N triple C So do we wanna see what that looks like if we if we put the. 03:50:25
The numbers in there and see how much more that balloons. 03:50:33
I mean, it doesn't hurt. We're just we're looking at it to see what then we have to cut, so. 03:50:37
So, Jody, do you have those numbers? I believe they are correct from what they would get. OK then do you wanna maybe just pick 03:50:44
those to problems? We'll see where I take. 03:50:47
Well, Jody's got matrix in her budget that she sent out. 03:50:55
That may be I I the column to the left there I don't believe what had the matrix in it. 03:51:00
The. 03:51:07
2024 Council, I think it says numbers right that column. I don't think that that had the matrix in it. Umm, I know that David uh 03:51:10
did. 03:51:15
Umm. 03:51:21
Get some numbers for matrix Umm. And that must be what you had. I mean I can't question whether right or not because that's just 03:51:22
what he gave me, but I know I gave it back to him and said is this correct? 03:51:28
And I know we've seen it so. 03:51:34
I would assume if something was not right, he would have told me. 03:51:36
Thank you. 03:51:41
He's making them up. Thank you. He memorized him. Yeah. 03:51:44
Business and thinking. 03:51:55
Uh. 03:52:20
OK, so that pushes it. 03:52:32
$529,000 over a balanced budget. 03:52:34
So 517,000? 03:52:50
So how much is a Peridot Or have you done? 03:53:04
OK, so longevity was down to 3000? 03:53:08
So she can. 03:53:12
Uh. 03:53:18
Uh. 03:53:22
Let me. 03:53:36
Mm-hmm. 03:53:41
Probably something else here and it can be done on the 16/4. 03:53:51
Umm, that's the 2nd shift premium. 03:53:57
Umm, that was just for 3rd shift, but we said that was a big incentive. Yeah, I had 30,000 there, but I was also he said he. 03:54:00
The 32 was for both chefs, he said. 03:54:09
The first team would get them the hardest shift to to fill OK. 03:54:13
And what do we have on overtime? 03:54:26
80,000. 03:54:29
80,000. 03:54:34
He thought he could do that well, he thought with the raises that we initially gave, and these are going to be more that, umm. 03:54:37
Wouldn't have to pay as much in over. I mean, but you're gonna pay at a higher rate too, right? Umm, umm, upgrading supplies 03:54:45
$1.00. 03:54:49
We got well. 03:54:55
Because in prior years, the overtime has not been. 03:54:59
Utilize transportation. 03:55:02
OK. On the 3600, I only have $4000 in there. 03:55:18
That's when you originally had asked for over 4000. 03:55:24
I think we we may that may have been oversight one of us. 03:55:32
So yeah, if you wanna take it before, that's fine. 03:55:38
Good suggestion. 03:55:41
So there was a couple that were a little bit higher than that, that I had. I hadn't gone quite as low as you had on your budget, 03:55:43
but. 03:55:46
I'm going to compromise the status, Davis look at it and study to work with it. 03:55:50
So we're just a little over $500,000 over budget. So are there other departments we wanna look at? Umm of? 03:55:55
You know, probably next I'm gonna look at the county assessor. 03:56:40
Margaret. 03:56:43
OK, let's move to the county assessment while you're back here. 03:56:45
I know I already pre. 03:56:49
The only thing I would say on that, that I already. 03:56:51
Here it comes. 03:56:56
So I discussed with you, Mr. Davis, that. 03:57:01
We have two separate proposals for your budget. 03:57:05
To get you closer to the certification. 03:57:08
Umm to be? 03:57:13
You said we can cut maybe something from yours, so I'll let you take it from there. That's workable where we can get up to 03:57:15
continue education and certification pay. 03:57:20
President Steele, members of the council, Uh. 03:57:26
No, we won't rehash. As far as challenges, I sent all that to you. But what I did receive was I received 2 budgets. 03:57:29
UH-1 from Councilwoman Norwich, one from President of. 03:57:36
And there wasn't a whole lot of difference. 03:57:41
In them? Uh. 03:57:44
And President Steele's proposal there was a reduction of about 64,000. 03:57:46
Uh, But salaries for level three were. 03:57:53
Uh 46,000. 03:57:58
And then Councilwoman Norwich, give us 48,000. We requested 49, nine. 03:58:00
UH, for level twos it was 42,000. 03:58:07
UH, that's what we've requested. UH President Esteel was 40,000. Councilwoman Norwich based 42,000. 03:58:10
So just to to make it simple, now for the elected official, I think you mentioned this earlier. I didn't ask for an increase, but 03:58:18
there's been mentioned about a 5%. 03:58:25
So I think we did put 3% as far as my salary, which was just cost of living. 03:58:32
So if we look at that uh 5% on the elected official. 03:58:39
And then take the level. Let's put the difference is what I'm saying. Let's put the difference between both proposals. 03:58:44
Let's take the level twos to 41,000. 03:58:52
Let's take the Level 3 to 47,000. 03:58:55
Instead all the line items that you have here, for example 2100 to 7000 bucks. 03:58:59
You know 3700, it was kept 3931. 03:59:05
3900 it was cut 3194. 03:59:09
What I propose to make it easy on you. 03:59:13
Is that we just reduced Prof Professional Services down to 625. We requested 700,000 which gives you the 75,000, which brings you 03:59:15
down to the 1.312. 03:59:21
Uh, approximately for the total budget for the assessor out of the general fund. 03:59:28
And then I would propose that we leave the UH reassessment and the sales disclosure as is as presented. And that gets you exactly 03:59:33
that, gets what President Steele asked for on the 1.3. 03:59:41
Sign in splits the baby uh the bath water in the middle. 03:59:49
So you have Level 3 and it still has the increase. You know, we talked about how difficult it was for me to find qualified 03:59:54
candidates because when I bring a man, of course they have to pass seven tests to become Level 3 certified according to state law. 04:00:00
That I send all of it, all you, but if you have any questions. 04:00:05
Fire away. 04:00:12
We go down to professional services. 04:00:14
Help. And Mr. Davis, is your continued education on your Level 3 or required by law to have, uh, continuing it on a Level 3? You 04:00:18
have to have 30 hours per year. Yeah. Mr. Davis, I'm remembering right. Professional services, you said you could cut that 625. I 04:00:26
said instead of cutting, you know those thousands. And here, here's what we have in UH office supplies, it was 12,000 and 04:00:34
operating supplies it was 12680 and other supplies that was cut 188. What I proposed is leaving notices as we requested. Mm-hmm. 04:00:43
It just takes the 75,000 which is the difference in the $1000 for each employee. 04:00:51
Uh, from both. 04:00:58
Councilwoman Norwich. 04:00:59
President Steele's propos. 04:01:02
It's just splitting out right in the middle with $1000 extra. So you add that 12,000 on top of the 64, you get right around 04:01:04
75,000. So just take the 700,000 we requested in professional services, knock it down to 625. 04:01:12
You don't have to mess with every other line. 04:01:20
To leave them the same and then if we do need more money and professional services then we have that other that we can transfer 04:01:23
from the 39 from the 3000 to the 3900. 04:01:28
If that works for you and you can move on, that would be perfect. 04:01:35
Can I get a motion? 04:01:41
I wish we were there. 04:01:43
So, Councilwoman Norwich's proposal. 04:01:50
Was a reduction in those services of 39 five and we had actually UH there was discussion about change in the reassessment. 04:01:53
But I think your issue is with the general fund, not with the reassessment fund, right? 04:02:03
This kind of knocks it. 04:02:10
It's gonna cut us a little short. We did request an increase on the reassessment fund. 04:02:13
For professional services, we did hire some appraisers. Uh, we had to go to the Indiana Board of Tax Review on Lowe's. 04:02:19
And we had to go on tolls. We have Nestle right now that we just hired an appraiser. 04:02:28
Which is pretty expensive. 04:02:34
Uh, the nice thing is we only. 04:02:37
Like 600 appeals this year, which is down. First property values are up. 04:02:39
So. 04:02:45
Yeah, pretty much. 04:02:49
And even though the interest rate went. 04:02:52
20 year high. 04:02:54
We're still not seeing values decrease very much. 04:02:56
So what you were saying about a downturn, we're not seeing that for 24? 04:03:00
Well, it looks like Todd has made those changes including the pay line and hey, that helped us out by a little over $7000 in the, 04:03:07
uh whole thing. So OK, we should move in the right direction on that one. Thank you. Can I get a motion? 04:03:15
OK, sorry. 04:03:24
Any other questions? 04:03:27
I I do have a quick question. So your longevity. Umm, we talked about this and maybe I'm wrong, umm, but I thought we were at 04:03:28
6500. I know it's only $500.00 but I know you have several employees please so I did have long as you have these, there's umm. 04:03:36
Hey, let me pull it up. You know what your longevity is for next year? 04:03:44
We do have an individual that. 04:03:48
Getting ready to pass his last yes past five tests? Become Level 3 assessor appraiser for the state. Uh, that was short 1000 04:03:50
Longevity. Yes, we did. Have we lost about 100 years worth of experience over the last two months? 04:03:59
So I have a lot of vacancies and that's what we talked about, the salary, but uh, it's a little high. 04:04:07
But I was cutting every. 04:04:13
That uh, President Steele his proposal. 04:04:15
So we might need to transfer some of those and I'm saying let's not go into every item, I'm giving you what you asked for. 04:04:20
And trying to doing the employees and helping them out as well. And also Mr. Daniels, I I I'd like to say you're with with you 04:04:27
being a shortage you have you're not able to. 04:04:33
Your full scale job that what you should do. 04:04:40
We are short. Well, I mean and there are some issues that that you're getting stuffed up. Let's look at that. 04:04:44
I said I I really wouldn't get into this because we made the argument several times to the council and I sent you like Hendricks 04:04:51
County, which is very comparable to us. 04:04:55
And uh, they have like 35 employees. We have 12. 04:05:00
So if we was at full capacity, we were 15. 04:05:05
So we're a big. 04:05:08
We have, uh, a lot of properties, yeah. So I think we've done 3400. 04:05:11
Three $400,000 homes down South in southern part of the county. 04:05:18
So that'll be new. 04:05:23
So there was a lot of bills and they in many small homes you don't know. 04:05:26
All right. 04:05:32
So we're, uh, we're sales. 04:05:36
400, four, 193 or 494,000 basically that we're over now. So are there any other departments we need to really focus on? 04:05:38
I did not get. 04:05:51
I can't hear you, Linda. You. 04:05:57
Budget. 04:05:59
You didn't get the budget, those that, I mean those that requested. I think I did. And the people that Jody worked with asked me 04:06:01
what I was proposing or were confused. So I sent them what we had put together. I think we left yours pretty much intact. So maybe 04:06:08
we look at, that's what they said. 04:06:15
Henry Clark, please. The department has haven't seen the budget you're proposing. 04:06:23
I I, uh, for I asked for a copy. I got put in the gateway Friday, but I so I didn't know if there was any change. I just heard 04:06:28
that there was a couple proposals and I just kind of want to get a feel where we were at and. 04:06:35
Done up for me. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Larry. Thank you. 04:06:57
Yes, it's a 5%. 04:07:14
11 conversation that UH President Steele and I had. 04:07:22
Yeah. 04:07:29
With the elected official Sal. 04:07:30
There's a lot of different, you know, things that have happened over the years where one person got something one year, then maybe 04:07:32
someone else got something in another year, and it almost seems like there needs to be. 04:07:38
Umm, maybe part of the personnel committee in the future, maybe in 24 could visit this idea a little more thoroughly to say, you 04:07:45
know, as an elected official which elected officials should be at, you know, say this here, which one should be at this tier and 04:07:51
try to get some parity, umm, within the elected officials as well? Because that's one thing that we we looked at and it was 04:07:58
challenging because elected official pay was kind of all over the place and then we're looking at well. 04:08:04
What are the responsibilities of umm say the share for a judge versus a recorder or umm auditor or something like that, you know? 04:08:12
Yes, yes, you would know that, Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so that's something where this. 04:08:23
I'm not SH. I don't remember exactly what the reporter is in this budget. 04:08:30
It's just to let you know there is some like recognition that while this budget may not fix that problem, there's recognition that 04:08:35
there is an issue and that we need to spend some time to figure it out. 04:08:41
Right, right. Yeah, Yeah. Yeah. 04:08:48
We think. 04:08:56
Thing is what I asked for because. 04:08:57
Well, we also took, I mean. 04:09:00
It's very what we did was there was there were some mid, mid year raises. 04:09:05
For one. 04:09:13
And. 04:09:16
Something. 04:09:17
Right. 04:09:18
Well, that's right. I know there was some compensation issues addressed. 04:09:22
And so then we apply the 5%. 04:09:26
And some of them got really close to the what you had requested. 04:09:29
Umm. 04:09:35
A support Trust Bank looks like it went down. 04:09:47
Yeah, we kept with. 04:09:55
What we kept was what was originally proposed. I mean on the on the first reading I don't think we've changed anything in the 04:09:58
clerk well, I think you requested 14 and you guys put well I think those were in there originally. 04:10:05
Just the three-year average, The three-year average, yeah, total. 04:10:14
And then 2024 requested budget was 14,000 on the support Trust Bank fee. 04:10:18
Umm, it was set at 10524, right? Yeah. And that's what was presented last month at our meeting is the 10524 because. 04:10:25
The default was between your average for non pay. 04:10:33
Something. 04:10:43
Mm-hmm. 04:10:44
Mm-hmm. And what? 04:10:59
Every time. 04:11:02
No, I mean. 04:11:09
I think it's important to keep in mind. 04:11:11
At least as long as I've been on the council and Councilman Emery can can, uh, umm, go back further than I can. 04:11:13
It's very rare. If not I I don't know if it's ever really happened that anyone gets everything to ask for in a budget cycle. 04:11:20
And so if, if, if, in fact where where we started with all of the requests, what was that number? It was like 46 five or 04:11:28
something. Yeah. So I mean this is traditionally what's what happens, we get the request and we have to wiggle them down, come to 04:11:34
and so nobody gets what they ask for, have. 04:11:41
This year and. 04:11:49
From this year, For next. 04:11:52
Mm-hmm. 04:11:56
Right. 04:11:58
I don't really know my budget and so for other people to make, but it's something that I I just keep the same as what the previous 04:12:01
front has been. 04:12:06
On the operating. 04:12:11
I. 04:12:15
If I can't make this work then. 04:12:16
What I'm supposed to do is come back and ask before. 04:12:19
It's it's it's very close to the 23 budget on your operational budgets, not non salary, aren't that far off a few thousand. But is 04:12:24
there something you want to change? 04:12:30
Support that they. 04:12:37
So does it make you feel a lot more comfortable if we would just take that one specifically and put it to 14,000? 04:12:41
Well, yeah. 04:12:47
I originally had proposed 11,000 on that. I had sent that to you and you said you could make that work at 11. Yeah, you did. 04:12:50
OK, so. 04:12:59
Then the final for my first budget is. 04:13:01
Umm, 7703 thousand. 04:13:07
That's what's currently doing for those, yeah. 04:13:14
OK. And then the, UMM, the 40 budget, you know that we did reimburse. 04:13:17
Yes. 04:13:27
Yeah, I think it looks like it's only. 04:13:31
Things there was. 04:13:34
We didn't quite get. 04:13:37
We we did the 5% pay increase in volume. 04:13:40
And then we we did on some of the non pay lines go back to that three-year average due because that was yeah that was the default. 04:13:45
That we started with. 04:13:53
Actually. 04:13:55
I'm. 04:14:08
It looks like that would have been the 5%. 04:14:24
Yeah, we could gladly bring that down if you'd like us to. 04:14:39
Yeah. Yeah. So we can bring that to 45. 04:14:44
You have that over lips only, like the chain window that was from what you requested with the abdomen to the motor for motor 04:14:48
scores. 04:14:52
It has to be the 30,000. 04:15:00
Yeah, that's broken. 04:15:13
I think everything's well. 04:15:18
That we did before. 04:15:40
No more than what we had originally discussed in The Land. 04:15:42
We have there. 04:15:48
This is. 04:15:57
Probably next year we're going to know a little bit better. 04:15:58
How many? 04:16:02
You probably need to check some of those blinds there. Umm, I'm looking to see originally what you and I had talked about. 04:16:06
What is the number? No election, sorry. 04:16:17
Now it's just going to be a presidential year. 04:16:32
Issue for. 04:16:48
Absentee voter. 04:16:51
Operating supply. 04:17:03
I had your 17 on that. I don't know what you need out of the operating supplies that we should do. 04:17:07
He did the three-year average on that one. 04:17:15
The The 2200. 04:17:20
OK. 04:17:29
The repairs and maintenance. 04:17:30
Medications and transportation. What's in the communication and transportation there? 04:17:44
Just a 7800. 04:18:06
I I think this is part of the difficulty of us trying to. 04:18:18
Address so many of the compensation. 04:18:30
Usually we have a little bit of a surplus, so when department has elected officials come and ask for more money mid year there's 04:18:33
money to give. What we're working on now we're happening on our budget. I mean, umm, so somehow we have to get the numbers that 04:18:38
work for everybody. 04:18:44
Umm. 04:18:50
And if we're if we get down to our 43 five total budget, that means every, every penny of revenue. So we're gonna need office 04:18:51
holders and and department. 04:18:57
Too. 04:19:04
Right, right. 04:19:07
Yeah. 04:19:09
And I'm not, I'm not suggesting that you're you're incorrect on that. I'm just saying the reality is whatever we end up with, we 04:19:11
state is 43, five is our target number that you know. 04:19:16
There's there's not a lot of room. 04:19:23
For your money like. 04:19:27
It will be a presidential year. Yeah, so. So maybe we move that one back to 80 with the being a presidential year. 04:19:29
I I I guess, but actually. 04:19:38
So then, are we good on those budgets? 04:19:49
Thank you. 04:19:54
So where are we at total? Where are we at total one Are we done with? 04:19:59
Think so. So we're we're. 04:20:03
Yeah. So unless there's anyone else that has any departments there really, so that we could, we didn't take a raise in the 04:20:08
council, right. Right. 04:20:12
And that's for the matrix and the shares. Uh, the CEO, the jail and and and that. 04:20:19
516 or $520,000 from those. 04:20:30
Dispatch but that doesn't. 04:20:35
Like the officials really need that compared to. And so he's like, I'm open to that, but I still wanna hear what you did for the 04:20:39
other department. I can't hear you. 04:20:42
I said I still wanna hear what Rob's proposal did to the other department stand that talked about a lot of departments. I didn't. 04:20:47
Umm, we left. We left. 04:20:56
Thanks. 04:20:58
Prison field is it? Would it be OK to just go to the very top department and just quickly kind of scroll through so that everyone 04:21:00
can see the council numbers column and that should show everybody, uh, what's different from at least the original request and 04:21:05
from the 23 budget? 04:21:10
And that should show people. 04:21:16
Changes. 04:21:19
So I have a question. Umm. 04:21:24
Umm the auditor and the chief deputy. So I know the miscellaneous fund had an increase of $2000 on each of those line items for 04:21:27
salary. 04:21:31
Umm, in this line of funds? Umm. And it's my understanding it hasn't changed since the last time you got those in our budget 04:21:37
collector book. 04:21:40
In the I don't know if it's the one 881 or the 12:16, I can't remember. 04:21:52
There was an increase umm for both the elected official from 12,000 to 14 five and then the chief deputy from 9:52 11/5/52. 04:22:00
And I'm fine with that increase there, but then I don't think we should have such a large increase on the general fund side. 04:22:12
That's a $2500 increase on the elected official and then that's an additional. 04:22:21
2525 hundred dollars increase on the Chief Deputy as well. 04:22:32
So the way that Rob's proposal is, is they're getting the 5% raise and then they're also getting the raises from the supplemental 04:22:44
funds. So they're getting a greater than 5% raise. Well, it's already in. Yeah, maybe our auditor can clarify this. 04:22:51
Before you make it spectacle, how the whole thing, I already told you at the last meeting, those could be reduced to last year. So 04:22:59
before there's a big production, those will go back, uh, to that number. They're advertised at that at that amount because we 04:23:04
didn't know what you're gonna do on an increase. 04:23:09
So we put those in there with an increase in there. That salary ordinance will read whatever percentage you give, whoever those 04:23:15
people are, whether it's me or somebody else. So if there's a if, there's an increase on. 04:23:22
You're not in the supplemental sun, Are you in the general fund? 04:23:29
UH can be reduced to last year minus whatever increase you intend to do in other funds, if that's OK. 04:24:08
If it's 5%, it's you're doing a 5% in the general budget and a 5% increase in the other budget. My total pay comes from two 04:24:16
places, I understand, so it would just be. 04:24:21
5% of the number is 5%. 04:24:27
No matter where it comes from, so but it. 04:24:29
The amount we advertise, I think we advertise actually all the cash we have in that in that umm positive sales fund which is not 04:24:34
on the screen. But uh, that's a fund that we go out and look for ineligible homesteads, people that aren't supposed to have 04:24:41
homesteads and they're back billed for that and that's where that money comes from. That money, that money according to state 04:24:47
statute cannot be used to set your tax rate and it's UH, it's for the UH auditors that are used as the as we see in his office, 04:24:53
but it is not. 04:25:00
To be, uh, included in setting your tax rate for the year. So Mr. Garger, what all fees come in to the plot? P part of the 04:25:06
platinum fees as transfers of properties. Yeah, the the transfer every time there's a transfer of a property within the county 04:25:14
then there's a fee for that transfer. I think it's $15 now and then So what you're saying is whether we gave you 5% out of that, I 04:25:21
don't pay down that. I can't get paid out of that. No, it's the home set in in eligibility. 04:25:29
That you get 5% of whatever fund. What do we do, general fund or whatever we do it. 04:26:12
Out of that one fund that whatever you guys choose, I mean from 12,000 to 14, five it would go from 12,600 bucks to 12, yeah, 04:26:19
$600.00 and umm the other one would be an increase of 4/4/63 that was rounded up. 04:26:27
And and again, this is consistent with what we're doing with other electric officials. So I don't think this is where we need to 04:26:37
spend a lot of time. I mean, well, I just wanted to clarify that. I know that Rick has said that, but then I asked about getting 04:26:42
those updated funds and you said nothing at you, nothing in those funds have been dealt with. No entries were made in any of the 04:26:47
any of the UH misplanes funds that I know of. 04:26:53
And then it looks like I'm remembering right, the rest of your employees are just getting 5%. 04:27:01
Uh. 04:27:09
Yeah, I get the general. I'm sorry, I'm over here. 04:27:11
Can you? 04:27:18
Scroll back down in time. 04:27:20
There's one. 04:27:25
Yeah, I'm sorry, the other way up, I guess. 04:27:28
Uh. 04:27:31
We'll find it. So maybe umm serve deputy was getting a 19.5% increase on top of. That's right. That was a a correction that is the 04:27:36
one that's coming from another fund with getting paid partially when we move those uh a few months ago and we umm. 04:27:45
We eliminated the position, which is the second position. I've eliminated UH which is one of the numbers that Jody mentioned 04:27:54
earlier. UH that goes back stays in the general fund which is the benefit. So umm, I don't reflecting that change that we already, 04:28:01
yes, it's it's taking that piece, that $50,000 position, it's taking that piece that wasn't another fund that can't continue to do 04:28:09
it forever, UH and put it back in the general fund. They were that third deputy and that. 04:28:16
UH 12th deputy. 04:28:24
Equal positions, one's MO, one's bookkeeping and distribution of funds to cities and towns among a variety of other things. And 04:28:27
the UH, I think the third deputy is the UH payroll deputy which which does that and UH among other fund, UMM fund balancing work. 04:28:36
So those are the two highest paid positions in in our office, far below what an accountant would make UMM. 04:28:45
You guys have accounting degree in that? 04:28:55
In those positions, right? No, you don't, no. 04:28:58
No, but you're comparing them to people who are doing that same work in an accounting field. 04:29:03
And that's what I, I'm sorry, but I'm speaking right now. Could I please speak? 04:29:09
I'll get that number for you. Hang on just a second and I'll get one more other question. And I'd like to be fair to everybody you 04:29:17
you've also you cut position last year and gave significant ranges, a few others. Why is the 33,000 on some level? 04:29:24
And other employees, is it the work they do? I mean, because you got totally the work they do. 04:29:31
Umm, you're talking about the people at that 31 and change because you mean you can see the difference? 04:29:37
Like you got more unemployed. That was only 30. 04:29:43
The fixed DEP. 04:29:46
Right, you get it. You'll have to look at that three-year average if you go over the 22 budget that's that's what they're they 04:29:49
were making in 22. OK. So the three-year average would carry those numbers over to UH to UH in that column and my request was 34 04:29:56
five the 5% gives them 338340 I believe so if you did. 04:30:03
From the some people on their their accounting work and and some people do not. 04:30:12
Umm, let's see. 04:30:20
I'm sorry, what's your question? No, no, Yeah, I'm just trying to be, I mean, I mean. 04:30:29
Customer minority got a thing today and I don't know where she got it from, she told me. 04:30:36
That. 04:30:42
Do you want some prosperity, Indiana or the? 04:30:43
The the lower the matching kind of averages to rent. 04:30:48
Despite well the 33,000 you said the average dollar just 3036 thousand 36,000. So and that's where I got what I'm going through 04:30:52
and I see that in this county that places are. So I'm trying to wanna keep them for you, but I'm trying. I just didn't understand. 04:31:00
And it. 04:31:09
Last year you kept the position, you gained certain and then we've got points of 33,000 I'm thinking. 04:31:10
Can we lose them? So I'm trying to look at the future. Can we lose those because they're paying, Paying the less just for that can 04:31:16
they make it on that it goes somewhere else and. 04:31:20
I don't know what their home finance is, uh situation is, so I can't answer that. So what what you're asking me is should the 04:31:25
34,000 person be making the same as the 50,000 person? And I'm saying that's no. 04:31:31
You know, reports one thing, but we also have to look at. 04:31:38
Right. Comparable wages if they were doing something else in, in another department or in another UH organization. I mean, you 04:31:42
know, there's still private sector people making salaries as, you know, low 30s depending on what they're doing. So you know. 04:31:49
Yeah, you're you're not gonna get me to argue to reduce salary. I'm always gonna be an advocate for them. Umm, making it. I'm 04:31:58
sorry. 04:32:02
So uh, but what I will say is I don't want you on your own moving that the changes I made to do away with an employee and filed 04:32:09
workloads on people. 04:32:14
Calls for that $50,000 salary, and what I don't want you is shrinking that gap again. So if you move one up, I wanna see them go 04:32:20
up. Umm, equally. 04:32:24
If that makes any sense. 04:32:31
Well, is there any more time when you spend on the others budget and nothing on past the process was fine? 04:32:36
Central records, probably UMM. 04:32:45
I had increased the camera operators a little more than that, but I'm willing to confess, confess and confessional. You're 04:32:49
speaking your mic. I can't hear you. Sorry, I'm also mumbling. I said I had taken the camera operators up to 3328. 04:32:56
But I understand that we're already needing custom numbers, so I'm willing to have a concession on that right now. 04:33:04
What part were you looking at? Umm, Camera operator. Central records. Oh, sorry, Central records. OK, well, that's not the camera 04:33:13
operators. That's under security. 04:33:17
Well, that's no, it's under Central Records. 04:33:22
25% of records. 04:33:26
OK, yeah, the camera operators like I discussed with a few of you. Umm. 04:33:32
We did raises. 04:33:40
Where we needed. 04:33:42
By their job they do. 04:33:45
They they sit in A room. 04:33:48
And watch screens. 04:33:51
What you have proposed at $17.00 an hour. 04:33:53
Was as much, if not more than the person that is fixing the plumbing. 04:33:57
And scrubbing the floors in here. So that's where I don't agree with on that. I didn't have them at 17, but that's OK. They 04:34:02
weren't at 17, they were at 16, but that's OK 16. 04:34:09
Umm. 04:34:16
That is, it's not a high skill set job. 04:34:18
That is the entry level position. 04:34:23
And I think that when we just lumped in the 5%. 04:34:26
That we were giving them. I think that's where, since I'm here, can I go ahead and pull mine up? 04:34:30
Did you wanna do security first? 04:34:36
Sure, we'll do security, because there shouldn't have been much change on security. 04:34:37
From last year. 04:34:42
Uh, it looks like Umm. 04:34:46
Yeah. 04:34:50
Yeah, I didn't think there was much there. And umm, what original numbers? 04:34:52
We're not going to even pull blood out of that. 04:34:59
And then what's the other 100? 04:35:04
OK. 04:35:08
And I'm sorry that you didn't wanna break. I just assumed that you would want a 5% like everybody else. 04:35:14
Yeah, I'm one of the lowest paid department. 04:35:25
But there's two things again. 04:35:36
So. 04:35:39
So if you're OK with that, I'm OK with that. 04:35:41
Why didn't we see your ground? I just, I know we talked on the phone, but I didn't actually think about the someone I. 04:35:46
Umm, yeah, I mean your budget. 04:36:03
Was less. 04:36:06
What your 23 budget was and so we we didn't do much cutting on that one. 04:36:08
I've done the rate as it was made from it in the personnel committee meeting I found the raise for the people that needed one 04:36:14
within my budget and then when we had the hearing. 04:36:20
Right off the top there I give them back $40,000. So I was just seeing if anything else has been trimmed out of it. Uh, I know one 04:36:27
of them projected thinking my overtime. 04:36:32
Thank you, Mickey, out of my overtime. 04:36:39
Yes, well, I have it at 65165 hundred. Yeah, the reason why? 04:36:42
Is do I have to juggle with it? Well wait a second, the the overtime. 04:36:48
I played with the numbers in the summertime and get. 04:36:53
I can't judge. In the winter time, past three winters, we have heavy snow. 04:36:57
For what? 04:37:01
I get a bad winter, I'll burn through that and two good stuff going. 04:37:03
So we work with the comp time. 04:37:07
We can. Now that is an unforeseen. I don't know. 04:37:11
Umm, most of that other stuff like I explained our 390 account. 04:37:17
There was one project to settle. 04:37:22
Umm, how can you go down a little? 04:37:27
I think the only other one I talked to you about this machinery and equipment you thought you need 120 and that for the two things 04:37:34
you're looking at purchasing. 04:37:37
No. 04:37:47
This is where we're gonna get into this. 04:37:49
Machinery and equipment if you look on a news in the past week. 04:37:52
Vehicles are skyrocketed to UAW. I'm gonna pick them up, yes. I can't help that. That's fine. So that one needs to say because our 04:37:56
vehicles are. 04:38:02
So yeah, if that's if that's where we're at, I can miss her. 04:38:09
That was what I requested and I found my races where I needed to in there. 04:38:15
One second. 04:38:23
OK, so let me ask the Council to clarify some. 04:38:27
I think, Councilman Gill, you commented on this. 04:38:33
With uh 1.5 million. 04:38:36
And we paid the chef fund. 04:38:38
We budgeted 1.5 and and and my understanding from the share because he was not meeting with Rick. 04:38:41
Our cost is gonna be 400,000 a year to keep that up, so why are we keeping money in there to earn interest? 04:38:49
No. So first I think it was was up 1.2 or 1.2 last year 1.2293 that we were and we appropriated one point almost 1.6 which right. 04:38:55
So the idea is 1 not spend every penny that we have umm. 04:39:04
But also specifically with the public safety, knowing that we have this ongoing issue with the dispatch center, UH, with funding 04:39:14
for that, we have a jail project that we're, you know, at the beginning stages of umm, there's a lot of unknowns there and you 04:39:21
know with if you just look at the interest rate increase, it's gonna affect our grounding. Umm. 04:39:28
Being able to utilize some of that, if it's possible to cover some upfront costs and not have to price those, umm might say the 04:39:37
taxpayers a lot of money And so if we burn every penny of that, umm. 04:39:42
You know. 04:39:49
We're doing a tail project without any. 04:39:51
Extra there. Umm, in our recurring budget. Umm. 04:39:54
So you know in present Steel's budget he was considering using some of that to help us but not the not the whole shock but but but 04:39:58
we got told we're gonna have basically one more million. 04:40:05
To pay that off we all voted for it. We have 11 roughly about 800,000 we use we use 350,000 for the. So you already got from that 04:40:12
from the food. You would pay for the food out of $850,000 and then we're. 04:40:19
We're back up. We've essentially spent another $1,000,000 and on top of the 3.5 or 43.5 million. 04:40:28
Because we're just shifting rather than putting in the general fund a $2,000,000 increase in general, you're doing a 2 million 04:40:37
increase in general and 950,000 in UMM or 850,000 in public safety. So you're. 04:40:45
1.1 million when we paid off the shares retirement, that's really not an increase, it's actually a decrease over this year's 04:40:55
budget. Yeah, that's no problem. 04:41:00
I mean the the, the appropriation for the public safety. 04:41:08
Is more than last year's appropriation. 04:41:13
It's $4,000,448.22. I didn't say that right. 4,448,022 dollars is what the appropriation is now. Last year it was 3,000,600 and 04:41:17
60,606. Is that including the? 04:41:25
Retirement, that's a full amount of 1.41 point five. Yeah, exactly. I mean, last year we appropriated 1.2. The difference was I 04:41:34
think Rick and Rick's not here, but we, we elected to also accelerate that knowing we're having extra money. And so that's why it 04:41:41
increased year over year and we decided just to pay it off. 04:41:48
So it would be back to about 400,000 as opposed to whatever it's in there, it's 1.4 or 1.5. 04:41:55
So to be concrete it costs how much for the shares retirement a year comes from. It's it's around 400 around 415, 2020, 5000, 04:42:02
we're we're not gonna know the full. 04:42:07
Right, right. I understand that's right. OK, OK. I just want well it depends on staff and who we can we paying in. 04:42:14
Position. 04:42:22
OK, so we just sent your records, yes, yes. 04:42:26
And now we're on the course. 04:42:30
Uh. 04:42:53
So, umm, I left the Master commissioners at. 04:42:55
Salary. 04:42:58
But I reduced the main court reported to 49,000 and I reduced the other court reporters to 44. 04:43:00
Across the board. 04:43:07
I really, I mean, knowing the struggles that the courts have I I that's a hard decision to make only for a few $2000 per employee. 04:43:19
Well, I mean, unless you wanna. 04:43:24
There's been 45,000, just about a $22.00 level which you wanna send people up to. 04:43:30
Like again, I'm going back to that if we're going from 45 to 44. 04:43:39
We're cutting $1000, we're saving $1000 per employee on that. That's not gonna add up to a whole lot. When we're looking at being 04:43:43
under add by over $500,000 right now, I mean we can get to the point where we. 04:43:49
You know, if if if we get to a point where we just need to get $20,000, I might be more willing to consider some of those things. 04:43:56
But at a certain point we have to figure out how are we gonna get, you know. 04:44:01
400 + 1000 dollars that we're not gonna do it by cutting $1000 on decent employees that have. 04:44:07
Known to be very difficult to retain income. 04:44:13
I'm saying how many? 04:44:19
I had a thought. Let me just a broad thought. 04:44:22
With your nutrition. 04:44:28
If we put a higher imprison. 04:44:30
It's just that, nutrition. 04:44:32
And we cross train employees because we don't know what the future holds. There could be several things in the pie. 04:44:36
And I like how far Mckellar's idea of tiers, what's important to the taxpayers of this county. What's the fund? So we gotta look 04:44:43
through the future, not just year to year anymore. And I and I'm we're seeing something, it's a businesses are doing just that. 04:44:50
So I'm just offering something to look at that. 04:44:58
I mean, some businesses are doing that, big businesses are doing it. 04:45:02
I mean considering I can't reduce the insurance even though we saved almost $400,000 basically on the employees that we. 04:45:06
Had some pretty big hits and I I wish John was here to explain it, but that means rebuilt back I I understand that and I'm just 04:45:16
saying that 200,000. 04:45:20
But if we can't do that, what they're saying we can't do that. I'm saying that, umm. 04:45:26
You know. 04:45:31
The course still got a substantial increase from where they were at. 04:45:33
My latest took 120,000 out of there. 04:45:39
Last month. 04:45:42
I mean for so. 04:45:45
Right. It took 120,000 out of there for different an insurance, yeah. 04:45:47
We we need to study. Umm, talking among ourselves here. Thank you. 04:46:01
No, I'm, I'm not. I'm not pointing to that. I'm still saying I'm not really going back there. I'm just saying if you can't do 04:46:10
that, umm, you know, that was part of the savings that, you know, the court was recognizing the fact that they had eliminated 04:46:16
positions and have saved insurance, OK. But you're saying we can't do that? I didn't say we couldn't. It was estimated that we 04:46:23
were going to need that for some safety. Uh, also to build back that, umm, not the retirement. 04:46:29
Health Care Reserve Fund. And I'm all for that. 04:46:37
That's our employees. That's I no, I agree. I think we need to build it up. I think we need to take any extra money we have and 04:46:41
put it in there, but. 04:46:45
Deducting it's just you're you're just taking right from that time of them. 04:46:49
I I don't see how you're well. I would really like the council to make. I don't know if it's a resolution or whatever we have to 04:46:55
pass. All right. You're talking about taking from it in the future. I agree with you. Yeah. I I, I think we all support that 04:47:01
because that that's protection of our employees. What they pay them, we're paying into them, yes. 04:47:06
I thought you were talking about a budget. My apology. 04:47:14
The court's request of 5.6% does not include any calculation for insurance savings. 04:47:18
So there should be some overall insurance savings if we're taking some employees, but. 04:47:27
That does it. 04:47:31
Also, I'm not gonna have an insurance increase this year which what we have last year 1.6 million. 04:47:33
Was it 1.6 we increased the healthcare? Yeah, we had to deal with last year and it's kind of leveled off. Umm. 04:47:39
We're gonna take advantage of that and build. 04:47:49
Build that back, there will be additional savings, but in the effort to present an accurate and transparent budget, those numbers 04:47:52
that we did not have available as hard numbers we did not include. 04:47:58
You you don't say anything on the insurance because we're self insured, you could add 10 employees. 04:48:06
Dollar amount wouldn't change. You could do wave 10 employees. Dollar amount doesn't change. 04:48:13
Now there's a breaking point there somewhere, but you're talking about one or two or four or five people, as it makes no 04:48:17
difference on the insurance. 04:48:21
Shouldn't cut it so uh, because it's not gonna go down. 04:48:26
In fact, they're all going out, so. 04:48:29
Umm. 04:48:33
We're we're self insured. It's different than what you're thinking about. No, I understand that. 04:48:34
Should be self intrusion. Yeah. To take that, it's the same thing. You can't count employees one by one and think the dollar 04:48:40
amount's gonna change up or down on the premium. I just know originally when when the proposal was set forth, umm, you know, they 04:48:46
felt like the fact at least maybe it was misconstrued to me that you know, we saved money in that as well. You know that that 04:48:53
would help with the the increases and I'm talking of course, you know, their increases on some of these. 04:49:00
I understand what they're wanting to do. I I do. And I'm not opposed to. I don't. It's not that I don't think the corporate 04:49:07
programs are worth it. I do. 04:49:10
Umm. 04:49:15
I just think that. 04:49:17
I think 49 and 44 is still a good salary. That's just my own. I was only here to talk about the insurance, so related to the judge 04:49:19
for that program. 04:49:23
And then the other thing was that was a huge increase was. 04:49:30
Oh. 04:49:37
Support administrator. 04:49:41
That was a that was a over a 50% increase, almost a 50% increase, not over, but almost a 50% increase based on that line item 04:49:46
alone. 04:49:50
Yes. Can you relate to that was such a bit? Well, that's huge. 04:49:56
Absolutely. It is our long time for administrator is retiring. 04:50:01
And he is. 04:50:06
He'll be retiring next year and in order to recruit a high quality candidate, the salary has to be competitive and it takes 04:50:09
getting into that much into six figures to recruit a high quality court administrator. 04:50:16
Are you wanting any special qualifications with the new person coming in, or potentially a legal degree? 04:50:23
Oh. 04:50:30
Is that what may I ask for? 04:50:34
I never had one for a long time. What we've done when we're doing now, thanks change, I mean. 04:50:37
Why a legal degree? Yeah. I mean, it's never been like that now. Why do we have a legal degree now? 04:50:42
You want a legal degree in there now because it's never been like correct the ability of the court administrator to perform a 04:50:48
multitude of duties that will be enhanced by potentially having a legal degree. 04:50:53
So out of curiosity, I know attorneys rely heavily on the paralegals to have a lot of knowledge of law. 04:51:01
But they're not attorneys. 04:51:08
Umm, with somebody not like that. He's very qualified for that kind of position. 04:51:11
Pot. 04:51:16
I I'm, I'm guessing judge this, this number probably also came from researching surrounding counties and what they're paying 04:51:18
reported administrators whether they have a certain degree or not that's going to be a going, going salary for that test 04:51:24
positioner. Is that correct to recruit a high quality? Yes, absolutely. 04:51:29
All I'm saying is, at the end of the day, it'd be great if we could give everybody exactly what they want, but we can't. And 04:51:38
that's just where I'm coming from. The courts have reduced 7 positions and a 5.6% increase is a reasonable request, right? It's 04:51:45
not a 30%, it's not a 50%, it's not, uh, 17%. But across these three budgets, working with the departments together, public 04:51:52
defender, the courts and problem solving courts, we've put together a reasonable number by. 04:52:00
Again, reducing physicians, these are consolidations and reductions that will have an impact on operations, but we've done that in 04:52:07
order to target the areas where we need the most help and the most immediately for reporters, we have to have that. 04:52:15
Things will only get worse in recruiting a new court administrator. We have to have that kind of salary to be able to recruit the 04:52:23
candidate that we need going forward. 04:52:28
This budget wasn't put together Willy nilly. It wasn't designed on a napkin it's been put together with. 04:52:34
Months of preparation, hard choices being made with employees, such reductions this, this wasn't something that was haphazard. 04:52:41
We're looking at strategic increases for the most important employees in our operations at this time. So when you say 7 cuts, are 04:52:48
you talking about the three and the public defenders as well? Yes. 04:52:54
OK. Well, those didn't decrease up a lot, I mean because they just increased their salary almost like twice as much. That's not 04:53:01
correct. It was twice as much. It's almost, it's taken almost not off totally like Mr. Williams budget and he's not here to speak 04:53:07
to that. Well, I I went from 40 something to 79 or 78 something like that. So it wasn't really it. I mean I get that we got we 04:53:13
don't have the employees, we don't have the insurance issue there which is why the court presented all of those numbers together. 04:53:19
That's 5.6%. 04:53:25
Included the reduction. 04:53:32
In in in my time on the Council, the course have historically always. 04:53:34
Made hard decisions, made cuts, you know, made sacrifices in some areas to try to do what they could, umm to to become more 04:53:41
efficient in what they do. And so I think this just reflects that as well. But they've broadened it to umm, you know, public 04:53:50
defenders and. Yeah, as well. So I really, I agree with the judge considering the revenue increase and considering the. 04:53:58
Significantly higher percentages of increases that we're giving to some other departments. 04:54:07
You know, this is a, in my view, a department. We need to, umm, look for reductions in and. 04:54:14
You know we. 04:54:21
You know, the Sheriff's Department, the jail, the prosecutors, that that the courts. We need everybody that's involved in 04:54:25
providing safety for our community. 04:54:30
To have the tools they need to do that and if we leave one of those departments. 04:54:36
You know, we've seen conflicts of that greens where then you have employees jumping from one department to another and that one 04:54:41
department loses a lot of their their. 04:54:45
History and their their knowledge base. And so again. 04:54:50
With what we're considering for other departments, I I just really don't think this is unreasonable, right? So I'm looking looking 04:54:54
at the research and the council numbers. It looks to me like you left the course alone, Everything they requested they got and the 04:54:59
only difference would be longevity. Is that an accurate statement? 04:55:04
And we didn't change anything. How many positions did you? 04:55:11
This is all seven. Can you cut 7 positions out? 04:55:16
Consolidated to Republic Defend. 04:55:21
A floating court reporter and then bayless positions on the farmers do that. We've been good saying we wouldn't. And I really like 04:55:24
your presentation during the budget workshop. I thought it's very well thought out and put together. Thank you. 04:55:31
And I get some. 04:55:41
Where else do you grew up? 04:55:44
I think there's an Oscar open. Other uh. 04:55:46
Non. 04:55:54
I don't think anything contractual. 04:55:56
And then umm. 04:56:01
Think because the the general amount was last less than the prior year. 04:56:04
What are we on, accounting agent? I can't hear you, County agent? 04:56:11
I. 04:56:17
Before the assessment, page eight. Oh yeah. 04:56:23
Before the assessment, yes. 04:56:27
No, finished, sorry. 04:56:30
I can recommend 2C's. 04:56:34
Yeah, so the rent. 04:56:39
They reflected the 5173 and they needed it to be the for the computer. Yeah, sure. And you've got that you you've got several 04:56:42
things here, but I think maybe you did the three-year average. 04:56:48
Well, some of these numbers other services and charges in the accounting agent that was a an adjustment basically you take that UH 04:56:55
200 and 9:30 and put it into the proper lines, right. I remember that in the 167,000 the kind of agent that is it right there 04:57:02
contract contractual with Purdue. 04:57:09
Uh, the other rentals, they were reflecting that for laptops and they don't have the option to buy the laptops. They have to let 04:57:17
them. They're talking about 3700 lines, yes? 04:57:22
So I don't know if taking this or your average on that is going to be sufficient. 04:57:28
Last year's budget was 4000 and we take it through that and because they historically only spent 2400 a weekend. 04:57:43
That way you wanna do is just put that at 4000. I'm OK with that. I'm not comfortable with cutting it all the way down to the 04:57:58
2400. 04:58:02
Can the assistant be super, You know, Commission at least. 04:58:19
What's this one, Uh, Commissioner? 04:58:39
So we have a lot of some of that fixed. 04:58:45
Formulas for FICO. 04:58:49
The. 04:58:54
No, I can't find it now. 04:59:20
I had a question about the Cemetery Commission. 04:59:34
That one, uh, they requested 6000 and you had it at 2000. 04:59:37
And I believe you did the three-year average on that because there wasn't any signatures for 2021 or 2022. 04:59:43
And umm. 04:59:52
I wasn't sure on that as 2000 was appropriate. I think we also looked at UH spent year to date on that account and they hadn't 04:59:53
done anything with it, not very much so. 04:59:59
And then the other one. 05:00:12
Oh. 05:00:14
The drainage assessment was cut 15,000 from the commissioners budget. 05:00:18
Uh. 05:00:28
What was the purpose of that? 05:00:29
I only. 05:00:36
When I talk to voters, one of the biggest issues they tell me is about flooding and drainage issues in the county, so. 05:00:37
I feel like that may be something that people would be a different. 05:00:44
Oh, OK. 05:00:50
That you have on there. 05:01:00
I was thinking like. 05:01:03
OK. So on the loan repayment, he had asked for 410 and you put 4:15 as the reason you raised that, yes. Umm. 05:01:09
Which one is that? Fine. 05:01:22
Remediation, I think it. I think it's. 05:01:24
I. 05:01:27
I was thinking it was 200 or uh. 05:01:29
You have 207 1/2. So I think we looked, you looked it up or it's a number you don't get until you don't know what it is. So it's 05:01:33
it's an amortization schedule, but that's the remediation of the County Courthouse. I wanna say it's 207,000 1/2. I'm not sure 05:01:40
what we spend three years ago. Yeah, I think we put it before. 05:01:47
Yeah. I think it's 2207 twice a year, so. 05:01:55
It's at least 414. So those those first two years is in the beginning. So maybe it was prorated. I don't, I don't really know the 05:01:59
answer. OK, that makes sense. 05:02:03
Mr. Garner, how much did pressure get back? 05:02:10
This. How much did they give back, really out of last year? Back to the general point for 22. I I don't know. I'd have, I don't 05:02:13
know. They did something though, didn't they? Umm, I believe, let it roll back to the general. Yeah, I'm sure nobody spends. 05:02:20
Every penny of their budget because it's something we're gonna roll back. But I I I couldn't answer that question right now. Do 05:02:28
you have that or I can I can find out what each and every department that'd be inter. I mean that's to me you know we're sitting 05:02:33
here saying that but then we need to look at last year you know it varies year to year you you've got you've got in the past too 05:02:38
where umm. 05:02:43
There's been additional appropriations through the. 05:02:50
Uh, just give it. For example, it was 300 and something $1000 worth of additional appropriations and we spent like 30 of it. So, 05:02:53
umm, that kind of stuff you could keep an eye on probably, right. But it'd be nice to know that how much came back. I mean, if you 05:02:59
can do anything with it, yeah, I can get that for you. 05:03:04
So are you looking at? 05:03:10
Taking 200,000 from the. 05:03:12
911 call center and putting it in public safety, are you thinking about doing that? Yeah, I mean that's the only thing we have to 05:03:18
move. I mean that's just a single line item that we can move partially and just do with with one line item cover if we're gonna 05:03:23
choose to decide. 05:03:28
OK. 05:03:35
So we do. 05:03:36
Not, not, not for sure. It's just something we're thinking about. Oh, yeah, OK. 05:03:38
Alright, when that corner. 05:03:48
I know Adam came in and redid worked with the auditor. 05:03:53
And all the deputies. 05:04:02
Part time. 05:04:04
We moved everybody into part time, which gives you a little more flexibility I'd assume, right so. 05:04:06
Two things, not the three, four things that we talked about and it's very brief. So as you know. 05:04:13
Mm-hmm. Did meet with Mr. Garner and then make a few suggestions. 05:04:20
Umm, National services obviously was an increase and moving salaries. So we're gonna talk time to moving it on one month and walk 05:04:27
through and part time 94.5 and my current IO6 deputies have been taking about $15.00 an hour. They find a good eight, which is 05:04:33
what I mean takes the 11:35. 05:04:40
I don't want to make you know with an increase moving in our direction that's that's the options that I'm looking at. 05:04:47
Maybe on a business patch. Uh, we'll go. 05:04:54
Definitely here on 4/22 or 23. 05:05:02
Professional services. 05:05:06
If I stay on the end of 100 point 5.35. 05:05:09
Transportation down a little bit, that fluctuates just like everything else, but looking 20 to 25,000 hopefully. 05:05:16
Which we're also reinguishing the number this price. 05:05:26
Discussion at the moment. 05:05:34
It is going to be reduced, I just can't remember. 05:05:37
Now, you just didn't any longevity, is that because? 05:05:42
OK. 05:05:47
Look at the numbers and I I think we can live within it for the most part. But again, I can't. I can't see how many people are 05:05:56
going fast. If the numbers are more than 125, I'm going to be above that. Every year is total software. He cuts calls for 50. 05:06:04
Begin. 05:06:12
He negotiated that doing obsoxy down to what, 15 something? 05:06:13
UH no 17150 moving from October 1st of this year. 05:06:17
Because I changed pathologies the the other our old pathologists raised rich from 1550 to 2200 so you already saved us saving 05:06:22
money there but it's still gonna be an increase But if we take the average of the one point 5.2 at 1750 it's true 19,000 and 05:06:30
change plus the micro transportation comes on top of that which I have that built into professional services by also have another 05:06:37
little bit of money and there's another line on something we can move for transportation if we have to if we go over. 05:06:45
Uh, also when you negotiate that price, can they come in anytime, Is that on paper price for a certain amount of time or can they 05:06:54
just come in and say, hey, we're raising it again for the autopsies? Yeah, that's completely set by the pathology, so they can 05:07:01
come in anytime. Yes. Now the the increase in October was I was advised in September, OK, so I I went. 05:07:08
And did some homework and and found another group. Umm just as qualified everybody all within the rights for adults and Pediatrics 05:07:15
and everything that we need for forensic pathology groups and Umm. 05:07:21
Surprised you. 05:07:29
But again, I I can't say you can't control that. No, no. And I and I can't control how many that's happened and I can't guess, but 05:07:31
I can stay on average if it goes up or down. 05:07:35
I'll let you know. 05:07:40
So your three-year average for professional services is 246,000. So that's roughly $5000 more than what you're requesting. But yet 05:07:41
the autopsies have increased $200 per autopsy. 05:07:49
That's correct. I've moved some other money in other line items to help with transportation if we have to. OK, I'm just going off 05:07:56
and it. I'm just going off the average. 05:08:02
The average of 125.2 autopsies, and that's strictly from the health department, from the state of what we submit documentation 05:08:08
for, that's the number. 05:08:12
I can't. 05:08:18
And then we'll have more or less I. 05:08:19
It's probably more, but I don't. I don't know. That's a five year average 125 velocity times an additional $200. That's with the 05:08:22
new number $17150 * 125.2 is not 219,000 and change. 05:08:30
OK, so. 05:08:39
On this one, my thought is it's actually a reduction in budget which helps us and it's what the office order these they need. 05:08:41
We're not making cuts to the request. And so I think we we move on. I just hope it works and hopefully I hope it doesn't work. I'm 05:08:47
just, yeah, please don't cut it. 05:08:52
That's what we need. 05:09:00
And then jump, but it didn't get we've been, I mean we're going to be doing more if you didn't renegotiate anyway, I'm sorry. I 05:09:02
mean we'd have been at more if you didn't renegotiate. We've been over 300,000, right, right. That's what I'm saying. So you thank 05:09:06
you for doing that. 05:09:11
Thank you. 05:09:16
And. 05:09:19
Transport. 05:09:21
I had a quick question on council. Can you answer a question? We haven't done that yet, but our sick pay increased to 150,000 from 05:09:25
120. 05:09:30
Somebody. 05:09:35
A couple of people with high seniority and said they're going to retire, so we wanted to bump that up to 150. 05:09:38
OK. OK. So retirement comes out of there or the payouts, the payout we used to try to take care of an individual budget and? 05:09:45
It's unpredictable. Some people did or didn't retire. How much did we use last year paying out? I don't think we 100 and uh 224, 05:09:55
but I know that with several people that had a lot of same time, right and a couple different positions. So and then we didn't put 05:10:02
anything in operating supplies. I know in the past we've always spent money there. 05:10:09
That's coming out of some of the auditors. 05:10:18
Are you Are you on your budget? 05:10:20
Council's budget, so the state law changed this year that operating supplies. 05:10:23
Was a surprise. 05:10:29
Uh. 05:10:31
500 or 5500 and it's zero now. 05:10:33
4. 05:10:36
Yes, those are corner expenses where the corner did not pay the bills and then they canceled. 05:10:37
So you guys, you guys appropriated money in your budget and paid their bills because we were getting better notices. 05:10:44
And then? 05:10:50
We also. 05:10:52
Took off the communication and transportation and other services. 05:10:54
Yeah, that's that's what I started to speak to. I was on the wrong line that is. That's your travel and things for council, UH 05:10:58
training and things. But now the state statutes change where you could use the UH, the UH electric officials change UH funds. 05:11:05
Yes, OK. 05:11:16
Why was the 4400 machinery equipment she wrote out? 05:11:25
In the Council budget. 05:11:32
Machinery and equipment. 05:11:36
I think that was. 05:11:48
Let me start looking for cuts. 05:11:51
If I remember right, the three-year average on that one, it's like they had one year a few years ago and they spent money, but 05:12:00
then yeah, but then they typically don't spend any money for that, umm through your average. It really reflects umm what's 05:12:05
difficult. 05:12:10
And we already did the election board. 05:12:17
Emergency Management. 05:12:21
I know that they're on a pretty strong budget there, so I didn't know. 05:12:30
The. 05:12:42
And. 05:12:43
What can I be? Only like he did the three-year average on a couple and then everything else. I was just concerned about the 05:12:45
communication and transportation is not where there's gas to come out of there. 05:12:52
Communication and transportation is at the gas line, the organization. 05:13:12
OK. 05:13:18
All right. I don't know any other questions. I'm good with that one. 05:13:28
Human resources. 05:13:34
The only question I had in that budget was, umm. I know that she had talked about wanting to implement a new program for new 05:13:38
employees exiting employees. 05:13:43
And she was talking that it was going to be $7000 for that program. Is that something? 05:13:48
That out of. 05:13:54
Or I mean, I don't know. 05:13:56
I guess that was another one of them where we we were just having to start making reductions because of the pay increases and so 05:14:00
we first of all three-year after something happened, OK. 05:14:05
So it. 05:14:15
Good to go there. 05:14:17
How do you, uh, go down and he's done? 05:14:45
Yep, she's an alternate. Similarly, doesn't have any. 05:14:52
I I I only question I haven't given up probation is there was one line item that was originally umm officer four was at 68694 and 05:14:56
it was only appropriated 57930. I'm assuming that maybe that's the new person in there or something yeah. 05:15:02
Right, right in there. 05:15:16
OK. 05:15:21
The secretary two. Yeah, I didn't know what that was That was, don't you? 05:15:31
OK. 05:15:37
Same as. 05:15:40
OK, so in our UH council members calling, is that what you requested? 05:15:43
As opposed to the 37334. 05:15:49
OK. 05:15:53
No. 05:15:54
Mm-hmm. 05:15:57
So I'm guessing that the reflection. 05:15:58
I'm not sure where. 05:16:06
I don't have them, OK. 05:16:14
Thank. 05:16:22
Hey, are we good there? 05:16:27
Now we've done that in triple C. 05:16:29
And there's nothing on there but. 05:16:35
Planning condition with I think. Umm. 05:16:39
Planning Commission. 05:16:50
Nothing is interesting. 05:16:51
Probation. Probation. 05:17:03
Uh, during the public safety? Oh yeah. 05:17:06
I don't think probation. 05:17:11
Preparation was given everything that they asked for. 05:17:20
This comes advocate. Let's see if it's an advocate. 05:17:34
Here we get to move on. 05:18:12
Andrew, yeah. Do you have anything you want to say? 05:18:20
We got $280 increase of .57%, so we can. 05:18:30
Work with it. 05:18:36
Now on the prosecutor's budget. 05:18:56
I just would have liked to have seen some of the lower pace get up a little bit higher. 05:19:00
But in order to do that, you're going to have. 05:19:07
I mean, I didn't go a lot higher than what you guys have, but I had them at. 05:19:10
Well, like the legal secretaries, I think Rob UH was at 39157 and I I certainly understand that I, I, I greatly value what they 05:19:15
do. The the problem is it's it's the free market. 05:19:21
Speaking in this context, if I. 05:19:28
Application up for UH legal secretary. I'm gonna have 20 qualified. 05:19:31
By the end of the week, if we put an application up for deputy prosecut. 05:19:35
To get 20 qualified applicants to take about 20 years. It it it doesn't happen, we have to beg, borrow and steal to try to find 05:19:41
any deputy prosecutor. So it's just a free market, Umm. 05:19:46
And I I don't, you know, I I completely value what our secretaries do. Umm, but it's just a difference in how are you gonna be 05:19:53
able to hire those people? 05:19:58
And quite frankly, we can find qualified applicants for those positions. We cannot find qualified applicants for prosecutors I 05:20:03
have. 05:20:07
Try to message people and try to, you know, go to lunch and try to convince them to take a chance and come here for less money and 05:20:11
more cases. 05:20:15
I can't believe they don't say yes. 05:20:21
Umm, they reduced your heat for stipend I believe, right? 05:20:26
For 15,000. 05:20:33
I mean there's there's two. I mean, I understand. 05:20:37
I think we could do. 05:20:50
11301. 05:20:53
Well, are you back at 5:00? 05:21:01
And I mean, I think it's important to remember. 05:21:04
But I think the national financial increase. 05:21:19
Larger comparatively. 05:21:22
I'm OK to go to 951260. 05:21:28
What was the 120? I'm sorry. 05:21:34
I understand it's not a lot of money I'm trying to figure out. 05:21:41
Make those things, but that keeps the percentages roughly the same. I do want to point out that for instance. 05:21:49
The 11023 is something that we discussed. 05:21:55
Is not actually seeing that increase. So it goes from 61 to 570,000 compared to that, but that's going to allow us to do that 05:22:02
supplement. 05:22:09
Our both at grant funds and our victim advocacy world works funded primarily by Boca and stock our vocab is going down. So we're 05:22:17
going to be able to do with that is to. 05:22:23
When the county money comes in replace the stock grant funding with that to replace the vocab grant funding. So that position is 05:22:30
not even going to even see a pay increase. They already saw a pay increase in July with whenever we transfer that money over so 05:22:36
they're not gonna see another pay increase from this. This is helping replace grant funding. So it's just you know the the numbers 05:22:42
are more complicated than what what we're looking at and increases so prosecuting attorney 3. 05:22:49
It's been at. 05:22:56
But you're saying that's not the salary or her salary or what that position in like for instance, in the spreadsheet that I 05:22:59
provided? 05:23:03
For you, that's a stop grant position that has that per person is funded at 90,000. 05:23:08
But we're so they're not getting any more, they're not gonna get a dollar more pay from this. What's gonna happen is we're taking 05:23:14
stop grant funding to replace Boca funding that we're losing because we're not getting that, but we are. But you are utilizing the 05:23:21
70,000. Yes. OK, Absolutely. Yes. I apologize if that was confusing. Umm total what we have here across our entire $2,000,000 05:23:27
general general fund budget for the criminal office. 05:23:34
Is it's a 5.4%? 05:23:41
Roughly increase in in funding UH which I think is commensurate with you know the budget increases across the board, umm that 05:23:44
we've seen tonight. 05:23:48
Umm. 05:23:53
Close to 200,000 less than we requested. Uh, I understand. 05:23:55
Umm, we also. 05:24:00
Those tough? 05:24:02
So you took two of them from 100 down to 95, right? Yeah, yeah, you got. 05:24:06
Andrew, I just, I just wanna bring up this has been a work in progress, I know for three or four years. 05:24:13
Uh to try to get you become you come before the personnel committee just about every year uh expressing your concerns with the 05:24:18
deputy prosecutor paying and the workload that your folks do in this town is unbelievable. Um can you just give us a few examples 05:24:26
of counties that where we. Yeah so we have I mean Wagner's Steel UH and Irwin and Shield did a did an assessment last in 2022 that 05:24:34
we have 53% of the attorneys that we need 57% of staff. 05:24:42
Umm. 05:24:51
We send the highest per capita. 05:24:52
Persons to the Indiana Department of Corrections, Umm, which is third in total numbers behind only Marion County, Allen County and 05:24:56
we're the 13th largest county by population. We have a exceedingly high numbers umm in major felony cases. For instance, you 05:25:01
compare us to. 05:25:06
The problem that we're talking about, I mean, there's a lot of discussion tonight about. 05:25:11
Competitive wages with counties that are even nearest, I think we all can can look at Delaware County and think that that's the 05:25:16
county we should be competitive with. 05:25:20
Our staff starting salaries for deputy prosecutors right now is $68,888.00. The starting salary for deputy prosecutor in Delaware 05:25:24
County is 85,000. 05:25:30
The the starting salaries that we're gonna get to with this budget is 75,000. We asked for 85. We're gonna get to 75. I 05:25:36
understand. But it's not like these are high numbers comparatively. These are, you know, doctorate level degrees. There's very few 05:25:42
people that you want. Umm. 05:25:47
You know, I understand that there and you discussed about having some some cursory benefits. Certainly I agree with that. But the 05:25:53
numbers that you have in private practice are so much greater. 05:25:58
Uh, I mean massive amounts of money. I I, I'd offer him a job as a deputy prosecutor. He laughed at me. You know, that's that's. 05:26:04
Yeah, you know that's the that's the con. Yeah, exactly. And you, you make a lot more money now And and those are the rallies or 05:26:10
for instance, when we talk about deputy pro, uh, public defenders, they're picking up the two contracts, some of them. So you have 05:26:16
public defenders now because they have to be paid on a a state minimum schedule. So you have public defenders working two days a 05:26:22
week. 05:26:28
Making $80,000. When we have deputy prosecutors working five days a week, they can't practice well on the side. They can't make an 05:26:34
additional dollar. 05:26:38
And they make $10,000 less than that. I mean, those are the issues that we're having to to deal with that we're not fixing it. 05:26:42
It's a work in progress, you know we have. 05:26:48
Umm you know Hamilton County I understand it's back comparison but typically can you go down the line they have 60 to 70% of our 05:26:54
crime with 10 more prosecutors than we have and even the in terms of major felony cases they don't have the homicides that we do. 05:27:01
They don't, they don't have the the difficult trials. We're doing more trials than these offices. It's it's a challenging 05:27:09
environment. Umm so while these numbers may seem big we're we're way, way behind umm and that's why I keep you know. 05:27:16
Pounding the, pounding the table and and trying to move forward. 05:27:25
Uh, with our progress in this stuff and I do greatly appreciate the help, umm what we've been able to do. But uh, and I understand 05:27:28
that the county wide budget, it looks like we're getting a lot. Umm and I can understand there's frustration with that, but I I 05:27:33
guarantee you when you compare us. 05:27:38
Uh, our office compared to other offices with other counties, we're farther behind UMM than other agencies than other departments 05:27:44
are. When you took look at the percentage of of UMM general fund per capita spending, it's it's it's just very different and we 05:27:51
have a a particular challenge in public safety in this county. Andrew what what would you say that? 05:27:59
How many years are we behind and how many years are we behind. How many years behind you say we're kind of back from paying? Well 05:28:08
it's it's hard to and and we've talked about this before you know Councilman Vaughn, I understand that there's that we all need to 05:28:15
be looking at a a a several year long plan as to how we can do these things. I I mean that's really hard to say I mean because. 05:28:22
But are we at a a what I think to be the bare minimum of workable staffing? 05:29:02
Yes, I think that we're that's why I'm I haven't asked for additional staffing in this budget. Umm what we've asked for is some 05:29:08
some modest UH cost of living increases essentially UH for these positions. I can't give you a number on how many years we are 05:29:14
behind UH because I don't think it's. 05:29:19
You know, one of those things where should your prosecutors be, uh, funded at the same rate as, you know, X county? Well, even if 05:29:27
our populations and and things like that are similar, maybe our general fund is a similar size, they don't have the kind of crime 05:29:33
that we do. It's not the same number of cases. It's not the same trial load. I mean, there's just nobody to compare us to in the 05:29:39
state of Indiana because we kind of stand. 05:29:45
UH so Park County funded UH, mostly state funding. 05:31:04
I guess it's aggravating because I I I took some time and look at the. 05:31:07
And other state little. 05:31:12
Banks have been. 05:31:15
So I'm gonna change your name, prosecutor to House Speaker, because I look at what the money they do have down there. They got a 05:31:17
lot of money. 05:31:21
I mean, we're gonna try to work on the budget here. It's running late. 05:31:26
Uh, I'm just looking at future too. So are we are we good with the budget? 05:31:31
No, do I, sorry. 05:31:38
So four days have to do the 40 or can you make this budget work? 05:31:44
But partially that's because we've had vacant time. 05:32:18
Now on this first one here, you asked for 60,000 and they gave an increase of 63. Is there a reason that you because I know on the 05:32:21
other ones you asked for increases. 05:32:26
Yes, I'm sorry. 05:32:32
Oh no. 05:32:34
On that one is, it's a. 05:32:46
Adding that to that position, which is a 5%. 05:32:50
So you just need a 63, OK, Yeah, that's that's 5%. 05:32:55
I'm just going to reiterate again, but I'd really like to see our I understand why you did what you did with the prosecutors. 05:33:01
I just really wish we could get our other paid people up a little more. 05:33:09
And yeah, you know, we have, I think, the 4D budget. 05:33:16
I don't know if you had. 05:33:22
Increase. 05:33:45
Of county funding by about $20,000. Is there a reason that we had increased the group insurance? Yes. And that's something that we 05:33:46
discussed earlier where we were planning on umm hiring an additional deputy prosecuting attorney from 4D funds from our UH not our 05:33:54
county general fund. We we we kind of talked about this about how we have UH in excess of 889 UH seven funds, yes. And so we would 05:34:02
want to pay for that person's insurance from the county general fund. 05:34:10
Because then it's going to be reimbursed at 66. Our 8897 funds do not get reimbursed. 05:34:17
66% they're already given back from incentive, umm from how we, how we, how we do for child support in five major categories. So 05:34:23
what we're gonna do is hire that person for a period, period of time that we can sustain 8897 and then take for their insurance, 05:34:29
yes, OK. 05:34:34
I have any other questions? 05:34:41
Are we good to move on then And again, I mean that's one of those, umm, yeah, I guess, I guess to the extent, uh, the only place 05:34:44
that we have group insurance is against UH, our 40 offices because you're you have to get that reimbursed. 05:34:51
Uh, let's go to the public defender. 05:35:00
I don't think so much defender had anything that was. 05:35:06
OK, 3/4 just got the 5% increase like all other and none of the rest of the airlines have anything. 05:35:13
We already insurance and we're done. 05:35:22
You know Youth center. 05:35:26
Oh, what is the NEWS CENTER? Sorry I lost part of my bike. So we're ready for soil and wait. 05:35:27
Yeah, soil and water, all right. 05:35:33
We're always. 05:35:40
So. 05:35:44
I think this is 1 where they have said whatever the counting raise is across the board. 05:35:46
Didn't put in for a uh. 05:35:53
They did not put in for a array, whatever. 05:35:57
Some people did, some people didn't. Some department. 05:36:01
So there are some of these non pay lines, uh, like if we start the bottom machinery equipment we want the three-year average 05:36:06
before the request was less than that. 05:36:10
So do we wanna reduce those to what they actually reflected? 05:36:15
Yes. Yeah. So let's go to machinery and equipment and put it to 1461. 05:36:20
And then other services and charges 4244. 05:36:28
Umm. 05:36:34
Uh, so it's super per diem. 05:36:40
I think as a supervisor is that something. 05:36:44
Yeah, where the that had to be calculated separately than what is presumably. 05:36:47
In the partial year. Is that why we see some differences? 05:36:56
I. 05:37:00
Umm, because yeah, the 23 budget was at 1750, so maybe. 05:37:01
Maybe there was a reason. 05:37:08
But that was the. 05:37:12
Surely. 05:37:20
5% across. 05:37:23
Yeah, it's just 5% and increase in longevity. 05:37:27
Treasurer's Office is always one Note is a very precise SO. 05:37:35
You guys a great job with it. 05:37:42
And pretty much 5%. 05:37:45
Of the. 05:37:51
Looks like we can use pretty close to. 05:37:55
David requested a 7% raise. 05:38:03
And we just did the five that we did. 05:38:06
10%. 05:38:14
Registration. 05:38:17
Linda dressed that and she No wait. 05:38:27
I think we did the election office. Yeah. Voter registration isn't isn't Linda? No. 05:38:34
So on that's when we went with the five. 05:38:47
You know the repairs and maintenance and the rentals, you know that's just a very skewed number as the average because they had 05:38:54
nothing and the first two prior years. 05:38:59
Umm, is there something that, do we know what they're spending us on this year on those two line items? 05:39:05
Don't have any more. 05:39:11
Whatever. So I have. I don't remember why, but I have he Devin had changed the requested budget for 2024 on the board members and 05:39:30
the first deputies. 05:39:35
So is there something where we like we had to with that number? 05:39:41
It's a 43, six, 680. Do you remember why he changed that and why it was strong and he was just his request? It wasn't his initial 05:39:45
request. Repetitive salary, OK, all right, he. 05:39:51
I just wanted to double check. Thank you. 05:39:57
Are you OK to move the weights and measures? 05:40:00
I really think that the inspector at $20.00 an hour is an adequate salary. 05:40:09
Were you at weights and measures? 05:40:21
Alright. 05:40:26
I'd have to agree with Councilman Darty. We've got to be careful. 05:40:27
I mean 5000. 05:40:31
You you guys. You guys. 05:40:40
Council, still, you're getting 8 right here. Now wait a minute. All right, 8. 05:40:42
The current. 05:40:48
How much? 05:40:51
10 LB Alright, it's about, uh, it's 22 1/2 dollars an hour. 05:40:52
Take about it an hourly now what you have, you know. What you have to remember too is Anderson was paying I guess, right? And they 05:40:58
had another person do it and that should, and that's the issue. 05:41:03
It should have been just a long time ago. It still can be. It's been addressed over here and things kind of. They can't get down 05:41:11
the road and there were a couple. 05:41:16
Points that I just wanna make is that 36917 that is currently making. Umm he was the City of Anderson Way commercial guide in the 05:41:22
late 80s and he actually made $38,000 a year there during the job. 05:41:29
I'm joining here UH and then he did present information uh to the personal committee as well as to discount. He's had a 400% 05:41:37
increase in workload since he's taking his job over. Umm and it's actually he sent an e-mail or a text message. 05:41:46
Earlier this week just said that, uh, there was a couple more that were just added to it. Uh, So it's grown even more. 05:41:55
Umm, so I agree. I'm gonna come in and ask for. 05:42:03
17 to $18,000 raise. 05:42:06
And I know that this is a long term. I mean, yeah, just like a lot of other departments are gonna be competitive. I mean, we're 05:42:09
not gonna lose them, but that's that's not why we don't. 05:42:14
Uh. I know during the budget uh mid year raise or uh. 05:42:19
I'm just looking out committee you requested but didn't have any money to umm move around or and and. 05:42:26
That committee at that time said we take care of it. I mean, we discussed it to the point either you hire part time or to the 05:42:34
point he ain't gonna be handled. And if we get too much bigger, I mean, yeah, we'll get a part timer in addition. 05:42:40
And the other thing that he did provide to uh personal support, he entered the council. Umm, he did a comparison of that. Uh below 05:42:47
the. 05:42:53
Uh, I should say. 05:43:01
And 55,000 went below but the other flight. 05:43:02
Even even at the proposed Umm. 05:43:06
Umm. 05:43:10
Adjustment. 05:43:13
Did did the council members budget just change? 05:43:14
I think we're keeping it in the 46, nine by four year. 05:43:19
I mean at that, at that dollar amount, we would never replace the current employee, umm, even even with the raise for that 05:43:26
position. 05:43:29
I just don't think. 05:43:36
Yeah, it's an exemption for you, Yeah. 05:43:39
OK, I I need to say something about this because I've had. 05:43:41
Quite a few people contact me about this and it seems to be really controversial and I'm going to tell. I just want to put it on 05:43:47
the record the same thing I told everyone else. 05:43:52
When this council sits up here and sets a salary. 05:44:00
We set it based. 05:44:04
The physician. 05:44:06
What the position deserves to be paid and we cannot make that decision based on who is in that position. 05:44:08
And a very good case has been made. 05:44:14
For an. 05:44:17
And Frank, frankly, I think the 55,000 would be appropriate based on the figures that I've seen, but we can't give that big of a 05:44:19
raise to one employee. 05:44:23
In one year when we have so many other employees that are underpaid and so umm. 05:44:29
I just wanna be really clear that everyone understands that the weights and. 05:44:35
Inspector deserves to pay that amount and has nothing to do with the person who holds the position. 05:44:40
I think, I think we didn't take action in the past because it was his position and probably did kick it down the road and that's a 05:44:48
mistake made. So thank you and we would not replace, I mean he could quit tomorrow and he was probably up to more than that to 05:44:56
replace that person. So I didn't feel like are we, are we good to move on then from this one. 05:45:03
And then on the. 05:45:13
I don't think there was anything that was really utility. 05:45:23
Take this one day. 05:45:32
5% raise. 05:45:34
Umm Vicente? 05:45:44
I think we talked about the operating supply process going down to 90,000 and 95 maybe. 05:45:48
Funds Umm. 05:45:57
Machinery and equipment for the 5000. That was the reason why I said to take it, that I could take it to 90,000. Quite honestly, 05:46:01
I'm gonna have to come before the council next month and move some money around. That's right, an employee line items because I'm 05:46:06
not gonna have enough money to pay for operations and our utilities for the rest of the year. I mean our population is currently 05:46:11
setting at 27. 05:46:16
And that's not it then and that's probably gonna be trend. So I will say that umm you guys let me transfer some money around and 05:46:22
give some employees and you know mid. 05:46:27
Umm, your. 05:46:34
With this in addition, it makes it does make a difference. 05:46:36
Do we deal with what the jail and MC3 deal with on a daily basis? Yes, just on a smaller scale. But what I have to say is for 05:46:40
someone to go from 16/14 an hour to $18.00 an hour, it means a lot. And I appreciate that. I really do and that that is for me and 05:46:46
my employees. 05:46:51
Well, I guess, and you're right, we talked about moving 5000 of the operating line down to machinery and equipment, correct. Do 05:46:57
you still wanna do that? I don't have any foreseeable need. Umm, yes, we have an aging facility. Things do breaks, things do 05:47:04
happen, umm, if need to be. 05:47:10
I could probably move the money next year if I need to. I would rather I'm more comfortable to leave it in operation right now 05:47:17
just knowing how much food cost has increased significantly and then our utilities are about $8000 a month the way that it is. 05:47:23
We're probably spending between 8:00 and 10:00 a month on food costs for the kids, so. 05:47:29
How many full time optimizations you got as of today? 05:47:36
Umm, which is what has traditionally been done in the past. We've just not had that luxury. But we will moving forward. How many? 05:48:13
Umm. 05:48:17
I know your one of your goal was to make money off of accountings and ship them. Does that happen? It is not yet. Umm. And the 05:48:21
reason why has been because of staffing levels. So we've hired 4 people in the last. 05:48:27
MMM, months. And quite honestly it's because people think, OK, $17.00 an hour, I can do that. No, it's not a significant amount of 05:48:35
money, but it is if you're looking at those. 05:48:40
That we're making 16. 05:48:45
And doing what they do on a daily basis. 05:48:47
Ideally yes, but we only hold 31 kids and we have 27 Madison County children currently, so 27 kids and 10 active warrants. 05:48:52
Yeah. We don't have somebody else. You've been all year. Really, I'm not understanding. But you know, the highest it has been in 05:49:04
several years. Yeah. So how long has it been like? That's 27 for like 3 months, four months, Umm, one month since late July, 05:49:09
probably. No, Umm. And typically, you see the numbers dip in the summer and then they raise again in the full time. I'm really not 05:49:15
sure what's going to happen. 05:49:21
Perfect. 05:49:28
Sorry, OK to move on from this one. 05:49:29
Umm, doesn't feel like it. Looks like maybe Carlos has something there. If you recall back at the budget workshop I had or related 05:49:34
the ARM call from 6500 to 7800 that apparently has been, uh, reverted back to the 6500, so that needs to change as well. The 05:49:43
office manager looks like it's out of the same 2023 spending, showing no increase for 2024 and that needs to be adjusted as well. 05:49:51
Which is your eyeball line? I'm sorry, what is? Which one is your on call line? 05:50:02
UH-15 and 600. 05:50:09
Oh, your deeper sizes, correct? 05:50:15
I show 65, you see, You think it was more than that. Yeah, it's supposed to be 7800. 05:50:18
150 a week. 05:50:23
Can I give you nothing? 05:50:26
No, it reverted back to the 2023 UH number. If you recall on the budget workshop I told you at that time I had Umm. 05:50:28
Particularly not added that into the 2024. 05:50:36
Budget at that workshop, so I already needed it at that time and clearly that did not. 05:50:39
Umm. 05:50:47
A new perspective needs to go to one 7800. 05:50:49
And then? 05:50:56
A 5% increase. 05:50:58
Our office manager would go up to 40,657. Oh five. 05:51:00
Or 40,657, correct. 05:51:06
Anything else on that? 05:51:11
Thank you for catching that. Yep. 05:51:18
All right, so it seems like we've gone through every department, and now we just have to figure out where we're gonna come up with 05:51:30
a little over $500,000. 05:51:34
For expediency purposes. 05:51:40
This is didn't think of any other reductions that we can take or do we take some of the. 05:51:43
Umm, not what I want to do, but. 05:51:50
Take. 05:51:54
Dispatch fund and move it over to public safety and pay it out of there to balance the general fund. 05:51:56
It's not exactly what I want to do, but unless I'm looking comfortable moving. 05:52:02
It'd be it'd be 500,000 to make it balanced and it still leaves us about 350 buffer, not what we wanted. 05:52:08
And then we wanted more in that budget for contingencies, but but also. 05:52:18
We've also addressed the needs of the sheriff and UH jail released, particularly in jail and and M Triple C that was. 05:52:23
Kind of haunting us and all these. 05:52:35
Trying to get up to we did in one year what we thought we could do and two. 05:52:39
I agree with you council so I don't think we did anything out of whack and out of I mean I we're facing it is risky yeah I mean 05:52:45
there's some risk involved with increasing whatever 100,000 but. 05:52:52
And, and we don't know, palatable, but. 05:52:59
I think an agreement to to get a full council approval. I think with all the respect Mr. Phil, can we take a risk we don't do it 05:53:03
in a way maybe a little bigger the other way. But I'm being honest. I mean we don't. I mean we put other departments and and uh. 05:53:11
Particularly in public safety. 05:53:20
This has actually been I I thought we did a pretty good year. 05:53:23
Appropriations. We didn't do them. I mean, we didn't spend long enough. 05:53:27
They are one moment, so to speak. Uh-huh. Tell this meeting, huh? I've learned something more about budgeting than I didn't know. 05:53:32
And, uh, apologize for. 05:53:37
Uh, my mistake on uh getting. 05:53:44
Past midnight to educate the two days, Doug or just one meeting? 05:53:47
I'm flat, right? 05:53:51
Where's Andrew? He ain't making his money today. 05:53:55
Now, what's the pinnacle for one more time? The public safety so. 05:53:58
Let's make sure no cash flows. I guess I'm just kind of very risky first. 05:54:02
So I we've we've done a lot of good. I don't there's I don't know how you can do everything in one year. I don't want to be 05:54:06
strapped. 05:54:10
We still have $400,000 that we could be shipping toward a wind farm. 05:54:15
Umm, that that's a totally separate subject and we said totally we would, we would address that after the first year. We've seen 05:54:22
what monies are coming back, uh, how the negotiations are going with dispatch. 05:54:28
I'm just concerned about the cash flow with the public safety put down this morning. 05:54:40
I personally would not, but I'm not sitting in your seat, so uh, you've got a jail that you're gonna build that's that's teetering 05:54:44
on $100 million. 05:54:48
Umm. 05:54:54
I wanna back up in time for years. You had two years where commissioners didn't take any action. 05:54:56
And that was pre use Commissioners. 05:55:02
And during that period of time, prices skyrocketed and interest rates skyrocketed. And you're paying for it. Today, that jail is 05:55:04
gonna cost you about $20 million more than it would today. 05:55:09
That would have four years ago. 05:55:14
Had those two years not been wasted, we've been in 2% interest, not in five, 6% interest. So that's where you're at. So you're 05:55:16
building a jail. It's gonna be more expensive. You're gonna have to fund it that 125%. But 125 per percent of what? What number? 05:55:22
What's the final number? I don't know. What the construction cost. I can't imagine they're leveling off much inflation still 05:55:29
there. I mean, that's just my opinion. I. 05:55:35
I mean that's the largest budget right there that the county has ever seen by far a set on the council. In 2000, uh eleven, our 05:55:43
budget in 11 or 12 was 31 million, it's 40 where we at now $44 million so. 05:55:51
Uh, and using public safety funds where we were not using the public safety funds back then, we basically saved the money and paid 05:55:59
for the dispatch center. Umm. 05:56:05
Uh when we had UH that built open uh M triple C and and work release. So uh it's it's a big number I I wouldn't I wouldn't get 05:56:11
risky with the public safety money because you don't know because you don't know and keeping it in general fund. 05:56:19
Are we capped at 43? Five, you don't need to spend over 43. Five we stretched it today your your your banking on UH interest rates 05:56:27
staying high and you cannot budget on one timeline. Councilman UH Emery said that early in the meeting. UH I would not budget your 05:56:34
general fund budget based on interest you're getting today that you I mean just two 2-3. Todd, can you bring up the UH interest 05:56:41
income? 05:56:48
On the pie chart. 05:56:55
I'll show you where you were just a short time ago. 05:56:57
So in 2019, we're about a half million dollars. 05:57:19
What's that low in there? That's 21, right? 05:57:24
21 Umm. 05:57:28
It's gonna be in that jail. You're gonna have additional operating costs when you open that jail. So you're not gonna go into that 05:58:11
new jail and have less operating costs. I don't believe. Do you? Do you believe? And that's what we're talking about, overlapping 05:58:17
costs too. We have dual staff for a while. Exactly. Trial and error. It's a new place. 05:58:23
Operating firms. 05:58:37
Space. 05:58:40
Right. 05:58:45
It's you know fortunately for a while we won't have the same kind of maintenance expense hopefully that we deal with with our 05:59:21
current jail. But it is a bigger facility and they will over time be made and spread has to be done to a much larger facility and 05:59:26
so you know. 05:59:31
It is risky. 05:59:38
If the economy takes a a massive downturn, I mean there's there's other things that could happen and I think the thing would have 05:59:41
to be very clear on is. 05:59:44
We're giving so many of the office holders, so many of this department has what they're asking for as far as. 05:59:49
Pay increases at least, or at least giving them closer. We're trying to remedy that issue and it is a serious issue. Umm, we're 05:59:55
not gonna have money for new appropriations throughout the year. I mean, that's gonna be very different. I I know the council used 06:00:01
to reserve some money for that. Umm. 06:00:06
But it's, you know, if we were to figure this out, how to make this work? 06:00:13
Media raises in 24 or additional appropriations just. 06:00:19
Aren't going to be able to happen, you know which people are gonna have to live within what we what we give them. So. 06:00:23
I mean my my guess, and I understand what you're saying comes from. 06:00:31
And if we don't do something now, we are far. 06:00:35
In in wages and and competitors when do we do and we're always it's always gonna be a Ridge. We have done some I mean we did we 06:00:40
did the mid year but we're far we are far behind but how on earth could you make it up in one in one year what if our collections 06:00:46
aren't this we have to sustain that for next year and. 06:00:52
Otherwise then we'll have to cut 10 positions next year. That's gonna be the only other choice we hope, right, that that's 06:00:59
frustrating, but I think we're being, I understand what you're saying. I think we're being competitive. We're not blowing that out 06:01:04
of water and it's given huge rates and I think we're just being competitive with the market. That's tough. I know, I mean I think, 06:01:09
you know look at all the mentions. 06:01:14
I don't lose a bunch of employees and they walk out, you know, even even with what we're doing. 06:01:19
A lot of the OPS orders are saying hey this is helpful, but it's still not getting me on par with neighboring counties. We are 06:01:28
still gonna have the issue. Umm. 06:01:32
But you can only spend. 06:01:38
What you bring in you know and and we're we're. 06:01:41
Really. 06:01:44
Pushing our our revenue on this one, you know umm we start in a unique situation. We're in Madison County, but we're we're really 06:01:46
15 to 20 minutes away from a county whose revenue, I don't even know what the revenue is. 06:01:53
Uh, on the tax sale you're gonna have your every, every piece of your lid income when people start getting laid off from work. If 06:02:36
that happens, I can't imagine that this, that that doesn't happen within the next couple of years. So if you run into a recession 06:02:41
or forgiveness, sakes of depression, umm. 06:02:47
You're gonna look at less collections in every category. Uh, you're you're talking about UH, correctional lit while you're paying 06:02:55
jail bonds at 5 point something percent interest. You're talking about public safety. 06:03:01
Uh, you're talking about certified lift that funds part of your budget. I mean, it just goes on and on. I mean. 06:03:08
It's all relevant and I think in the South part of the Canada it's not gonna happen. 06:03:15
Cell phones kind of pretty strong in those townships, I mean with that tax base on the whole county though, but well, I am going 06:03:19
back to 2008, I mean, yeah. 06:03:25
Yeah. So are we comfortable with moving UH 500? 06:03:30
7. 06:03:37
Retirement or no? 06:03:42
Yeah, I can. I definitely reminded me that we need to reduce. Can we go back to the public safety fund that you had up? 06:03:43
The old number was there for the anticipated payment and did you figure out what the anticipated payment would be, right? Was it 06:03:52
in the 425 range? I think the last number I heard was 411, but they they couldn't calculate so after we literally made the payment 06:03:59
because it could change by the day, so. 06:04:05
From the only waiting in there, I'm sorry Dave at 4:20 or four 25425 is probably the same number. 06:04:12
And then we wanted to. 06:04:27
Umm, dispatch fees. 06:04:30
Uh, my suggestion if you give them half of that. 06:04:40
You what, after the 1400, I thought you said dispatch we're short 507,000, uh, I mean we're over our budget 500,000 and you're 06:04:48
moving? 06:04:53
507,000. 06:04:59
Dispatch fees from the Commissioners budget and general fund to public safety and that will make our general fund balance. 06:05:02
OK. 06:05:11
About 400 that they weigh about $350,000. 06:05:13
When Norma from the excess that we created by paying off the bond or uh fresh retirement. 06:05:21
When you when you do not collect from your other cities and towns, where are you gonna come up with that money Would be the 06:05:28
question. Yeah, that's something that's gotta be addressed from the council now. Well, well, I think we're gonna need to send a 06:05:34
message to some of the towns too, if they want to come to us asking for money from wind farm or whatever. And they're delinquent 06:05:41
on their their payments and they need to get caught up, you know, umm. 06:05:47
We should be giving out more money if they're not paying what they're supposed to be paying. So I ju. I just wanna clarify 06:05:57
something if I could. I'm hearing uh we need to get on the ball about a dozen times tonight. I've been in 5-5 or six meetings in 06:06:03
the last two months myself where I've said in on those negotiations but so those those are going on. But the the cities and towns 06:06:08
that aren't paying just don't want to pay. So uh, where does it go from there? I can tell you the the small towns wanna increase 06:06:14
your lip tax. 06:06:20
They wanna go to the Max on the list, so are you prepared to set up there and and increase taxes again? I as a private citizen is 06:06:27
gonna be up here screaming when you do it. 06:06:32
So that's that's my. 06:06:37
With the amended budget. 06:06:42
All the changes we would need to. 06:06:45
What we have presented or what we have made changes to. 06:06:50
So make a motion to. 06:06:57
No. Well, it's all together. It's all. 06:07:03
Hard. That's correct. It's already done. So the vote would be to make this the budget. 06:07:07
The development, the vote would be for this to be what is now the proposed budget, then we would have to look to pass the budget, 06:07:14
correct? And that would be yeah. 06:07:18
So. 06:07:23
Yeah, today. Right now, hopefully. 06:07:25
Just to move the process along. Umm, although are you OK with me making a motion? Let's make sure we got it alright. Yeah, yeah. 06:07:28
So I will make a motion that we amend the. 06:07:35
Proposed budget to reflect the changes we've made here this evening. 06:07:42
I. 06:07:49
It's been moved and seconded to make the amendments. 06:07:50
If I clarify this, is making it a new proposed budget, not voting to pass the budget, correct? Correct. Because there's a motion 06:07:54
already. 06:07:58
Still on the table to pass the budget. 06:08:03
From from earlier five hours ago, right from from yesterday, What exactly is the amount of the new? The new budget is still 06:08:06
$43,000,500. The bottom line is not changed. 06:08:13
But the public safety. But the public safety budget is going up. 06:08:22
To make that work. 06:08:28
So we're moving to mend. 06:08:34
Your motion and. 06:08:36
No, we're we're voting. 06:08:38
Accept the amended budget as presented, that we just worked out OK. 06:08:41
And then we have to vote on the budget held by Mr. Gale, seconded by Mrs. Norrick. 06:08:47
Any other further discussions? 06:08:52
Your roll call vote. We can do a roll call vote a show of hands. 06:08:55
Thumbs up. 06:09:01
5. 06:09:05
We amend it and see the ability to final practice because you know, we're using customized performance. Uh. 06:09:07
Final question is exciting as well. No, the the amendment takes for the final passing would take 5. 06:09:16
75 We have not voted yet. 06:09:24
So we have to go down the motion. Yeah, we gotta go to the first one. Roll call, vote for the amendment. 06:09:30
Doing a roll problem. Yeah. And ask for yes, please, Yes. 06:09:37
No. 06:09:45
Yes. 06:09:48
Yes. 06:09:49
Yes, yes. 06:09:52
Motion carries. 06:09:58
5:00 to 2:00 Thank you. 06:10:01
Now our motion is on the table for acceptance of the budget. Make a motion to approve. It's already motion and approve. 06:10:04
You can get a real roll call vote on the final budget please, Mr. Cole. Yes. 06:10:14
No. 06:10:22
No. 06:10:23
Afternoon Yale, yes. 06:10:28
Yes, thank you very much. 06:10:33
Council. 06:10:37
Make a motion to adjourn. 06:10:38
The salary we're gonna salary orders. Oh, sorry. Oh, OK, OK. 06:10:42
Some of you all can go to sleep now, so. 06:10:50
Usually my job to jump forward in the agenda. Hey, I just got a uh, can we take like A2? 06:10:55
Salary ordinance. 06:11:06
Huh. 06:11:08
Well, I know, but I just. 06:11:10
All right, we can do these done in like 3 minutes. 06:11:13
I'm trying to think what we have here. 06:11:24
We have three salary ordinances for. 06:11:28
Umm. 06:11:34
First readings if it's unanimously passed. 06:11:35
We don't need a second reading. 06:11:41
Or do you wanna, You know, Let's wait. You said I'm sorry. I hold it as long as I said earlier. Oh, no, you're fine. We waited. I 06:11:44
mean, I didn't think about. 06:11:48
And I can see that our mains run over midnight is there. 06:11:55
No, because it's been 1 continuous meeting. 06:11:59
Don't. 06:12:11
OK. 06:12:13
I just actually want some legality about umm being after the night. 06:12:16
We can keep this meeting going for a day if we want to. No, you can, uh. 06:12:22
I will say thank you for your patience and working diligently and professionally, even though we may not all. 06:12:47
GI or Epstein peculiar. 06:12:57
Preferences in in things that are important to us. I think collectively we worked together and I learned. 06:13:02
That you just said on the second page, so please repeat what you said earlier about this is unanimous, OK. These are three salary 06:13:11
ordinances from the general fund to overture overtime, prosecutor and help fund. If we pass unanimously on the first vote, we do 06:13:17
not require a second reading next month. 06:13:24
First salary ordinance. 06:13:32
2023-10C for the General Fund Share of Overtime Motion to Approve. Second Motion to Approve. 06:13:34
Uh, from Mr. Gale, seconded by Mr. Vaughn. 06:13:43
I don't think Mr. wants anything. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I got you. 06:13:46
Uh, Mr. Emery, I stand corrected. Uh, we will have to take A roll call vote please. And you will have to sign and check the A or 06:13:53
nay. And I'll start these down there, but we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. Just. 06:14:00
I'm it's in good faith. 06:14:08
Yes, please. 06:14:11
Yes. 06:14:13
Yeah. 06:14:15
Yes, yes, yes, yes. 06:14:18
2nd Ordinance or UH Motion passes unanimously on first reading, 2nd Ordinance IS2023-10C. 06:14:24
And even the Prosecutor General Fund and Stop Grant Fund has presented. 06:14:33
Been moved by Mr. Yale Sigma by Mr. Vaughn. We'll take A roll call vote please. 06:14:41
Yes. 06:14:50
Yes. 06:14:53
Yes, yes. 06:14:54
Yes, that passes on first reading unanimously. The third is Salary Ordinance 2023-11. I'm sorry, 10 E as in Edward Health sign 06:14:57
11:59. 06:15:05
Moved by Mr. Gale, seconded by Mr. Vaughn. 06:15:14
Uh, roll call vote please. 06:15:19
Yes, yes. 06:15:22
Yeah, yeah. 06:15:27
Yes. 06:15:29
Yes, catches on first reading. 06:15:30
The next is. 06:15:38
Budget ordinances. 06:15:40
For the three municipalities previously discuss. 06:15:43
The first one is. 06:15:47
2023-10F as in Frank for East Central IN solid waste District. Motion to approve. 06:15:49
Moved by Mr. Gale, seconded by Mrs. Norick. 06:15:59
Yes, we do have to. 06:16:05
Again, yes. 06:16:08
Yeah. 06:16:11
Yes, yes, yes, yes. 06:16:13
Yes. 06:16:19
Uh, the second one of. 06:16:21
Thorough or UH budget ordinance OF2023-10G Independent fires. 06:16:24
Moved by Mr. Yale, seconded by Mr. Vaughn. This will require a roll call vote and signatures please. 06:16:34
Yes. 06:16:41
Yeah. 06:16:42
Yeah. 06:16:45
Yeah. 06:16:47
Yes. 06:16:50
Yes. 06:16:51
Hello. 06:16:55
The third UH ordinance Resolution for Budget and the County Council, Madison County Common Council. 06:17:04
UH budget as amended. 06:17:15
Budget Ordinance. Is it separate or is it what we've already? 06:17:19
Go ahead and just do a little call quick. Uh. 06:17:33
Are we doing it wrong? It's County Council. The budget ordinance, Passing the budget ordinance. 06:17:38
To see what we already previously voted on. 06:17:46
Should we be safe? 06:17:50
OK, Any objections if not? 06:17:53
Now, I haven't had it yet now that that one didn't pass unanimously. 06:17:58
You know. 06:18:03
Oh, that's true. Today it wasn't separated. Yeah. Thank you. 06:18:06
Investigations happening. 06:18:10
Some point. 06:18:12
No, I just wanna make sure I if I'm signing, I don't wanna sign if I'm not. 06:18:18
How can we make a motion to adjourn? 06:18:24
If anybody does anything. 06:18:28
I'm just kidding. 06:18:32
The one that he said was that it was the second reason. Now can I make a motion to adjourn? Good. 06:18:34
I just have to make the motion, I make the motion, We adjourn. 06:18:39
This is the County Council. Oh yeah, the last one. No. 06:18:46
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UH open this meeting at the County Council on October 10th. UH call it to order and begin with prayer followed by the Pledge of 00:00:28
Allegiance. 00:00:32
With every father, it can be impaired tonight, John. 00:00:42
We just thank you for everything you've done for us and the praises we give all to you, or we just press your beauty to Israel to 00:00:45
our God. It's very troubling. This is your country as you can plead the blood on them and protect them. 00:00:51
And just just be with them and give them strength. Lord, I saw Chief pray for this budget tonight. Should we touch our hearts and 00:00:58
mind and do the right thing for our employees And we think our public safety and our employees will be with the public safety 00:01:04
officers in our county and our towns that I thank you for everything and just. 00:01:10
Or just watch over so just again, touch us and do the right thing. She's saying that, correct? 00:01:17
Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for. 00:01:25
One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:01:33
Todd, Mr. Cole, can we have a roll call please? 00:01:48
Have to move on. 00:01:53
Here. 00:01:58
Here present. 00:02:02
Next, we have approval of minutes from our September 12th meeting. 00:02:07
I'll second UH motion by Mr. Vaughn, seconded by Mr. Gale on any discussion, corrections, all in favor, aye. Any opposed motion 00:02:13
passes approval of the agenda as presented by Mr. Gale, seconded by Mr. Emery. 00:02:22
All in favor, say aye. Any opposed? 00:02:32
Motion passes start President's comments. 00:02:36
Uh. 00:02:40
Uh, we'll have some comments when we get to the budget. UH other than that UH, we're getting towards the end of the year when we 00:02:41
find out where where our budgeting process went awry last year or things that have come, uh come to bear on our budgets and impact 00:02:49
of that. And we'll see that in some of the transfers and new money requests, UH that are coming up UH out of the report. 00:02:56
Mr. Gardner, please. 00:03:07
Good afternoon, Council. 00:03:11
It's gonna go over the PowerPoint we had last month with a couple of little changes in it. Uh, uh. 00:03:13
Really don't have anything E extra to add that that we didn't cover last month, but we'll go through it real quick. Try not to 00:03:19
pick up just a minute of your time. 00:03:23
Could you e-mail it to us? I know last meeting you said you were gonna and I'm sure what's everything that was going on. We got it 00:03:32
locked, but I can't e-mail it to you yet. Thank you. 00:03:36
No. 00:03:43
OK. So we'll we'll go through through it real quick and then pause on the on the ones that changed for this month. So there's your 00:03:56
total debt over the last UH 2017 just been reducing. Keep in mind that that for this next budget really and going forward UH, we 00:04:03
are building UH a new jail which is an extremely expensive project. So that'll be something we'll have to deal with UH in the 00:04:10
coming years. UH, there's a general fund cash balances over the last several years since 2017. 00:04:17
At year end, again UH 9 1/2 to $10 million with what we'd like to see at the end of the year UH in order to cash flow the next six 00:04:25
months rainy day fund over over. The last is that since 2016, UH so on SO had almost no UH backup money UH and we're sitting at 00:04:33
$10,494,000. 00:04:41
So that's just. 00:04:50
Kind of a history of that umm general fund, UH interest during this year UH was phenomenal uh thanks to uh UH treasurer Girk and 00:04:52
his efforts. Uh uh it helped start a long way. Here's here's one we covered last month and and thankfully the council chose to 00:05:01
100% fund the UH the the police pension fund and we put $7.75 million in that fund UH a couple days after meeting UH last month. 00:05:10
So according to our actuarial people that UH Madison County is the only forwardly funded police pension fund. 00:05:19
UH in. UH Accounting pension fund in the. 00:05:28
So here here's what you're looking at on your on your major fund balances today, the general fund setting at $4.7 million. UH 00:05:32
rainy day at 4:50, UH ten million 454 or 494. Public safety at 946,000. We'll remember that we took uh UH $3,000,000 from the 00:05:40
public safety fund and added to that UH that UH four or $5,000,000 UH for UMM the short of UH $8 million UH funding of that police 00:05:48
pension fund. So it took 5 million general fund 3 million from here. 00:05:56
Umm so And then the WIC correctional fund, which will go to build that new jail. That's what's in that fund as of today. That 00:06:05
comes in, uh every month like every other umm umm, income tax comes in public safety, UMM certified list. And then uh, uh, the 00:06:13
correctional, which is for the building of the new jail. Again, here is your UMM uh projected budget. Uh is that your booklet? UH 00:06:20
sets right now? It's exactly that number. Uh, which can be funded. Umm. 00:06:28
And then the next. 00:06:37
The next slide we're looking at are the distribution of additional revenues, which means it was about two and a half million 00:06:38
dollars more than last year's budget. 00:06:42
And though that is how uh, it is divided that additional as your budget sets today, uh, in the proposed numbers, uh, that's where 00:06:47
the additional monies went by percentage. So that's all I have unless you have a question for me. 00:06:55
Thank you. 00:07:04
Uh. 00:07:09
If there's no questions, we'll move to UH transfers since there's no new going to the new business and 1st is UH Sheriff Beeman 00:07:10
with Sheriff and Jail transfers. 00:07:15
Based on invoices over time and rentals. 00:07:24
Right. This is a continuation from the last month or UH, which UH Kim and cleaned up some of those UH surplus lines. 00:07:30
On the some of the pay lines and things and moved it, so we're moving it back over to. 00:07:38
To cover overtime. 00:07:45
Yeah, Sheriff overtime. 00:07:48
Some printing. 00:07:51
Rent. Yeah, rentals. 00:07:55
Yeah, most of it's going to the housing. 00:08:07
Because we have so many of our inmates outside the county right now. 00:08:09
Shareholders account. 00:08:14
Out of accounting. 00:08:16
As a fluctuation on that 22. 00:08:19
Sheriff, I appreciate you looking in your budget. We always ask the hospitals to do this, try to find it UH within the budget they 00:08:24
can to UH offset the new costs. I appreciate uh diligently working on that to get that accomplished with that to make a motion 00:08:29
through science presented. 00:08:33
Then second Mr. Vaughn. Mr. Vaughn, I'm sorry, I didn't quite hear you. Sorry. Moved by uh, Mr. Emery, seconded by Mr. Vaughn, to 00:08:39
approve the sheriff and jail transfers as presented. 00:08:45
Any discussions? 00:08:53
All in favor, say aye, Any opposed motion passes up next is uh. 00:08:55
Prosecutor Uh. 00:09:03
Corner Thank you UH for some office supply transfer. 00:09:06
Our operating supplies. Good evening. Uh, this. 00:09:11
Remaining salary that I wanna transfer over is not being used and it's not gonna be used for the rest of the year. I'd like to 00:09:16
move that to operation supplies to buy. 00:09:20
Body bags and syringes and things are the force that we need. 00:09:25
It's like unusual. 00:09:29
And uh, moved by Mr. M, are you seconded by Mr. Gale? Any other discussions, Questions? 00:09:32
On previously Aye aye, any opposed motion carries. 00:09:38
Up. 00:09:43
Is the prosecutor this time? 00:09:44
Counselor Andrew Hammond, Chief Deputy Prosecutor, UH. We have a couple of transfers. 00:09:53
To both our operating supplies, which includes UH, the main UH issue here is the gasoline and fuel for our various investigator 00:09:59
vehicles, UMM and to finish out UH paying for our rentals for the remainder of the year, the felony trial deputy three that's 00:10:06
receiving funds, that's not an increase at all to the salary. What happened there was earlier in the year when we transferred 2 00:10:13
employees from UMM. 00:10:20
Non exempt. To exempt employees we have to pay out their comp time, umm at a rate prescribed by the county. 00:10:29
Umm, we had that open in that thir uh 13502 line item, so we paid it all out of there. Uh, but that's at the auditors, uh advice 00:10:35
that that's gonna come up short because we hired UH, the prosecutor that's in that position, umm, for the remainder of the year. 00:10:44
So we needed to move some uh extra funds there. But that again is not an increase. That is the $50,000 salary as as prescribed. 00:10:52
OK, mushroom. 00:11:01
And I'm moved by Mr. Gale. Figured I might miss him. Lycans. 00:11:03
Any other questions? 00:11:09
All in favor, Say aye. Any opposed motion carries. Thank you, Council. Thank you. 00:11:10
Next is county engineer UH Planning. 00:11:17
Uh, I'll speak for Mr. Strange and planning it to 400. 00:11:27
UH for supplies. UH office supplies $400.00 from other supplies to office supplies. 00:11:32
Make a motion to approve. 00:11:40
Moved by Mr. Gale, Signal by Mr. Vaughn. Any other questions? All in favor, say aye, Aye. Any opposed motion carries. 00:11:42
County engineer. 00:11:53
Like Jessica? 00:11:59
Little different, huh? Yeah. 00:12:01
This is Dan. Umm. The transfer for the highway is probably it's gonna turn into new money. We turned into another. 00:12:04
Transfer later because it's transferred. We didn't have enough money. When we looked in there for the, I was telling the same. So 00:12:11
the two we got backs are just gonna be new money out of unappropriated money. 00:12:16
You're gonna pull this this transfer? Yeah, you're pulling the transfer. OK, so you don't need. OK. And then we have new money 00:12:22
requests. Yep. Back later in our. 00:12:27
Good. Thank you. Thank you. 00:12:35
Next the assessor's office. 00:12:42
Office 5. The office and machinery. I believe that was for some 2 tablets. 00:12:47
No, nobody's here to speak on uh, Mr. Davis's behalf. I'll present that second moved by Mr. Hill, seconded by Mr. Vaughn. 00:12:54
Any discussion all in favor say aye aye. Any opposed motion carries. Next is Mr. Mellinger for health department. Good evening 00:13:06
Jeff Mellinger Health Department UMM transferring from machinery and equipment to our operating supplies outreach divisions have 00:13:14
been busier this year. So we have an increase in UMM expenses for medical supplies and fuel for the UMM mobile unit. And then also 00:13:22
transferring for longevity to an employee who came from us from another department. She's been here for quite a while so. 00:13:30
75 inch that line. 00:13:38
And then also from other services and charges into the vital records click line when that individual got a pay increase from how 00:13:40
it didn't make it over. So we're a couple 1000 short. 00:13:45
Make a motion through. 00:13:50
Moved by Mr. Vaughn, seconded by Mr. Gale. 00:13:53
All in favor? Say aye. Aye. Any opposed motion carries OK onto new money request from miscellaneous funds. First up is the Clerk's 00:13:59
office. 00:14:04
County Elected Officials Training Fund. 00:14:12
For $4000 for other services. 00:14:17
Hi Daniel Smith, County Clerk and I am requesting $4000 umm to be appropriated from then umm Elected Officials Training Fund and 00:14:25
it's for our election uh individuals that need the other training in December. 00:14:32
It's a motion second moved by Mr. Gill, seconded by Mr. Vaughn. Any other discussion all in favor, say aye, aye. 00:14:41
Any opposed motion carries? Thank you. Thank you. 00:14:51
Up next Mr. Hunter from the courts and Cordonen. 00:14:55
There's three separate request. 00:15:02
OK to handle them all together. 00:15:05
Good to see you. Umm. I have two items here. Umm. 00:15:10
In the new money Court Improvement Fund is a grant. 00:15:18
Umm, which we receive on a yearly basis for 10 children that need the services mediation. 00:15:22
Umm. 00:15:30
This is the most we've received before because we've been doing a lot of it the last couple of years. So we got $15,000 from them. 00:15:31
I'm just asking if you're appropriate that program that started three years ago and it's been very successful speeding up. 00:15:38
Chance cases and getting them to resolution. 00:15:46
The second item that I have there was the court interpreter grant. That's actually an emergency grant. We got $5000 at the 00:15:52
beginning of the year. 00:15:56
We've had an insane amount. 00:16:01
Interpreting this year which that over $20,000 uninterpreted as we have one trial that 12,000 / 12,000 dollars was about multiple 00:16:05
defendants and witnesses. We had that to interpret them that lasted over week. So uh, the state was time enough to give us 1500 00:16:14
dollars, 1200 of which is always spent. So uh those are the two brands uh items that I have so. 00:16:24
Asking for approval for those. 00:16:33
Umm. 00:16:37
A motion to approve the other item. 00:16:39
I can't really speak to it, I don't mind. 00:16:43
These two are finally going together. No objection. 00:16:46
But then then yeah. 00:16:51
Who did first? Second. Oh, OK. I didn't hear the second. I'm sorry. Mr. Gale. Seconded by Mr. Vaughn. All in favor. Say aye. Aye. 00:16:55
The opposed motion carries an extra heart, Public defender. 00:17:04
Good evening. Brian Williams, Chief Public Defender. We are asking for an additional $70,000 UH from the rainy day fund to be 00:17:16
allocated toward the account on the capital case, the death penalty case. Umm, we have spent approximately $167,000 so far this 00:17:23
year and we anticipate the 70,000 will get us through the end of the year. 00:17:30
So we what do we have in there beginning 200, I believe about 167 right now make a motion for a second. 00:17:39
And moved by Mr. Emery signaling uh Mr. Ron any other discussion or questions all in favor. Aye, aye. Any opposed motion carries. 00:17:48
Thank you all. Next step is prosecutors office. 00:17:56
UH Comp Grant Fund Request. 00:18:10
Hello. Hello. I'm Betsy Baxter, Director of Western Services in the prosecutor's office. Umm, these funds were awarded through our 00:18:16
stock grant, which is a portion of our budget for the year. 00:18:21
Umm, do you want me to go through line by line? 00:18:27
Not unless we have any questions. Make a motion approval. 00:18:30
Been moved by Mr. Vaughn. 00:18:36
By Mr. Emery. 00:18:39
Aye. Any opposed? 00:18:43
Thank you. 00:18:46
Now we're back to uh, your local roads and streets and Hwy. 5. 00:18:49
All right, I do need these two though. 00:19:02
So it's UH, it's gonna come out of the highway funds unappropriated cash, so it's not coming out of general fund. 00:19:06
And the the first one for the 70,000 As for all the trucks for the bipartisan to replace and gas and. 00:19:14
Just normal. Keep getting ready for the winter to get the flowers ready and all that stuff. Make sure we have enough money. 00:19:21
And the other one that's going at 1173? 00:19:28
Is to. 00:19:31
Hopefully pay all the bills we got left from saving. They're still rolling in. We're done now. 00:19:32
Hopefully this is the end, of course. 00:19:37
Hi, I have a question. So you said earlier when you said you didn't need that you were talking about salt. 00:19:41
Yeah. Did you have the money for the salsa? Well, when I got to look and we only had, yeah, I got, I got plenty of Microsoft 00:19:46
that's full of we were just gonna transfer it and use it. But when I got the lift and we all had 21,000 in there out of the 50s, 00:19:51
I'm like, there's not gonna transfer that. So I just want that appropriate and make it easier on everybody. 00:19:57
OK to improve the make a motion to approve. 00:20:03
From 1169 and 1173. 00:20:09
Been moved by Mr. Vaughn, seconded by Mr. Emery. 00:20:14
Accounting engineer all in favor Say aye, aye. Any opposed? 00:20:20
Motion carries. Thank you, Sarah. 00:20:25
Uh Commissioners. 00:20:28
I don't know if Tom is presenting and we have a presentation from. 00:20:31
Uh, the city of Elwood. 00:20:37
You're down. 00:20:40
Good evening Council, Todd Jones, Mayor of the City of Elwood. What I have in front of you this evening is a presentation for a 00:20:43
new Sports Complex that would be UH, built directly to the east of the City of Bellwood. It is uh, a request that we are asking 00:20:50
for the UH Wind Farm Economic Development Fund and the amount of $502,970. In your packet this evening there is a resolution that 00:20:57
was 2016 VCR Dash 14 that was passed into 2011. 00:21:03
Uh, where the funds were going to be directed to Northern Madison County. In addition to that there is also a handout on wild card 00:21:10
Wildcat wind farms and the benefits that it has in Madison County. And then our project that we are presenting to the County 00:21:17
Council this evening with the Sports Complex that is estimated to put between 8:00 and $9 million annually and tourism money 00:21:24
perhaps accounting. 00:21:30
Mayor we're just gonna actually, I, I, I just couldn't just open it. We're just actually gonna be, it's gonna be directly to the 00:21:38
east of the football stadium. 00:21:42
6. 00:21:47
And there's a wondering of what the projects would look like. Not only is it an indoor Sports Complex that's 50,000 square feet, 00:21:49
there is also going to be 4 dual purpose baseball and softball diamonds as well. 00:21:56
This is from this. 00:22:06
Presentation in the architectural design is from KRM. 00:22:10
And then in the back you will see a feasibility study that was done UH that was paid by the city about what UH from an independent 00:22:18
agency that tells you what the impacts would be from having such a facility in our UH city. 00:22:24
You know what I'm saying? 00:22:32
And I'm not sure if Tom's got some ads from commissioners, but the only thing I wanna add is the uh, the commissioners unanimously 00:23:07
approved this transfer or umm. 00:23:11
To the to the new project a couple of months ago. 00:23:17
So, unanimous vote on the Commissioner's side to support the Mayor. Umm, and this new Sports Complex. 00:23:20
Make a motion to approve second. 00:23:27
Been moved by Mr. Vaughn, Seconded by Miss Keller. Any other discussion questions? 00:23:29
All in favor. Say aye. Aye. Any opposed Motion carries. Thank you. Good luck, man. Thank you, Council. I greatly appreciate it. 00:23:37
Thank you. 00:23:42
Uh. Umm. 00:23:51
Next we've got UH budget adoptions for East Central and Indiana, Solid Waste District, Independence Fire in Madison County that 00:23:55
will handle individually. Are we skipping the other name on your class? Oh shoot. Public hearing. I'm sorry. 00:24:04
Just so excited public hearing UH items. There are requests from the sheriff and the jail. 00:24:17
Uh, Coroner. Court administrator. 00:24:24
And uh, Ashton County Complex, are there any public comment that? 00:24:27
Would like to be heard regarding any of these specific items. 00:24:33
No problem. We asked after they took the business because they can't receive. 00:24:42
You know, online like that. However, I was looking to pull it up. So I don't know what we're looking at. That's because the agenda 00:24:47
was never posted online. 00:24:50
I just want to say, can you ask the doctor when presenting? 00:24:56
Yeah, everywhere else, yeah. But this, this is the issue that I've been talking about for a year that you asked for public 00:25:01
comment. 00:25:04
Before the presentation by the department head, and when it's not online. There's not enough copies here. How is the public 00:25:08
supposed to come and ask a question when they have no idea what's going to be presented? 00:25:13
Yeah, I mean, some of us do like to talk about that. We wanna hear what? 00:25:22
What specific? What specific? 00:25:27
The UH, the pressure officer pay infancy things like that you want to hear what well that's an abrupt that that's. 00:25:31
Yeah, I mean, we don't really know exactly right now. We're not on the budget yet. This is just things that are uh, new money 00:25:40
request department, umm for us right now. That's the business. 00:25:46
I don't know why it wasn't. I don't know. But let's just to keep it. We got a long meeting. 00:25:53
No, can't do that. 00:26:00
Mr. Sheriff, would you like to present to anybody? 00:26:02
Kathleen Uh John Beamon Sheriff's Department UH this is new money requested to UH cover shortages we have in our UH operating 00:26:06
line. 00:26:11
And on the share side and on the sales side will be for the housing. 00:26:17
The other 60,000 that we transferred will not be enough to cover, so that's why we had to ask for an additional UH money UH, both 00:26:22
on the share side and the jail. 00:26:26
So what? 00:26:32
Sorry, 51,000 in operating supplies and $44,081.20 for other services and charges charges and 39,000 for rentals. The 51,000 is 00:26:40
for fuel. 00:26:46
And then the other. 00:26:54
The $4481.28 is actually a reimbursement or a flow through for a Volca grant that they've already reimbursement back to. 00:26:57
On the for victims advocates, UH conference for reimbursement. 00:27:08
Since the department's already paid for that. 00:27:13
Make a motion to approve. 00:27:16
Any other further discussion questions, I just wanna say that I commend you guys because he's done a really good job this year of, 00:27:22
you know, going through that budget and really fine tuning it. And you know, here we are in October and this is the first time 00:27:27
we've asked for new money. So appreciate that. 00:27:33
No. So I appreciate Kim's or Kim's. Umm, worked several budgets. I've talked to her and and appreciate what you've done. Kim. I I 00:27:39
know it's not easy. You've done redone things several times. 00:27:45
And I appreciate what you've done and. 00:27:51
Mm-hmm. 00:27:53
Was it last month? 00:27:55
Yeah. 00:28:00
There's a motion on the table. Any discussion? 00:28:03
Anybody have a question or comment about this specific comment or uh, request? 00:28:07
They will go forward with the votes. All in favor, say aye and opposed motion carries. Thank you. 00:28:13
Corner. 00:28:20
$175,000 in new money request. 00:28:22
Good evening. Uh, I just need 175,000 was what I'm hoping to get into the end of the year and also cover previous bills that are 00:28:28
still occurring in the office. I believe that we'll be able to make it through the end of the year with this morning and pay off 00:28:33
all outstanding debt. 00:28:38
You happen to have a a rough estimate. 00:28:44
$49,900 UH, and is that from old Past due? Yes. So that's what's remaining. You're saying 50,000 with the last game? 00:28:47
Yeah, Adam, I spoke to you. Umm, you're also doing some things to get prepared to save money for next. 00:28:57
Our pathologist, our previous pathologist raised rates October 1st from 15 to 50, umm sorry, $15150 per US up to 2200. Uh since 00:29:41
hired a new pathologist firm for 1750 per autopsy. Thank you for joining us. So it's it's still an increase but not as much of an 00:29:48
increase. So we will still be paying more for our jobs, correct? 00:29:55
Yes. 00:30:03
Yes, ma'am. Make a motion to approve second. 00:30:05
I still have a question so. 00:30:09
Right before you were processed in, we appropriated $160,000. I believe that was also for professional services. I believe it was 00:30:12
100,000. I don't have it in front of me. 00:30:17
What it was, I believe it was $100,000 in August. OK. 00:30:22
OK, I was wrong on the number. Excuse me. Umm so now. 00:30:26
The budget. 00:30:32
And I know we're not on the budget, but I think it's relevant. Umm, we're looking at around 240,003 next year, so 100 + 175, 00:30:33
that's 275,000. 00:30:39
Yes, ma'am. 00:30:44
And so do you think that the 10 or 40,000 is enough for next year? 00:30:46
If we stay on the average of what we've done over the past five years yet with the new range. 00:30:52
Yes, but again. 00:30:58
If those numbers will arrive due to increased deaths, I I don't know, OK? 00:31:00
But if we stay on average, the 500 average is 125.2. I'll tell you the usual. 00:31:06
If we stay on average for that, it'll come out about 2:18 and then we have transportation on top of that. 00:31:11
So transportation costs? 00:31:16
Roughly 3000 a month. 00:31:18
It just depends. 00:31:20
Last month was a little less but. 00:31:22
It's a guess because your transports are less. Thank you. Let's transport for them. Last month, Umm, but deaths were down so. 00:31:26
So it makes sense that they would also be correct, correct. But I can't, it's it's a guesstimate every month and I just I take the 00:31:33
average, OK. So it's the best that I was able to do as far as take the average of the past five years. 00:31:39
Coming down with what it is with and then factor in the new price for our autopsies, Umm. 00:31:46
Actually that that was an increase that was unexpected in the in mid year. 00:31:52
So you are confident that the 175 should get you through the end of the year from this year, yes. All right. 00:31:59
Have a questions or comments? 00:32:07
Any public comment? 00:32:10
Did you said they're an average of 28,000, which is in a month? Yeah, you didn't know? 00:32:13
Did you did you sign? Please sign in. And if it's public, comment, not interrogation. 00:32:20
If you'd asked me that, I would have told you that my name is Amy Crossing. Umm, I have a question about just doing numbers. 00:32:30
He said it's you've mentioned the budget is 240,000 for his proposal next year. I'm not asking about that. I'm asking what he just 00:32:37
said. If it is 240,000, if you do 28,000 an average per month, that's 336,000 a year. 00:32:43
So I'm wondering how that works. 00:32:50
When we're looking at the numbers and that's the numbers, don't add up the numbers always, you can always go to numbers. So I was 00:32:53
wondering about that, if you're saying he's gonna bid 240 or he needs 175, how does that align? 00:32:58
And what is that used for? 00:33:05
Remind I'm in just public comment. Sorry anyone else? 00:33:09
So everybody kind of knows who I am. I'm former chief deputy of Madison County Coroner's office. 00:33:16
In the past we have asked for money over and over and in the past we would set up here. 00:33:22
I don't know, sometimes 304050 minutes to asking for that money. 00:33:28
So here we are again. In the corners office is clearly asking for more money. I don't disagree. They're gonna need more money. 00:33:33
At this point, what Doctor Abbott asked for last year and I asked. 00:33:42
Was roughly the amount that you are now doing? 00:33:47
There is no way. I promise everybody in this room he will make it on $240,000. There's not no time. Impossible. 00:33:50
Even if he buys extra supplies. 00:33:59
So. 00:34:02
I just want to be very clear that everybody now sees what happened in the foreigners office. 00:34:03
The money needed to go where the money needed to go. Nobody asked for more than what was needed. 00:34:09
Everything. Last year we asked for 30,000 to get to the end of the year and we were told no and to give an exact number. He is up 00:34:17
here saying he cannot give an exact number, the same thing I said. 00:34:22
Everybody in here tonight has said we've got an increase in volume in the health, we've got an increase in volume in the 00:34:28
prosecutors. It happens. 00:34:32
But I just wanna make it clear. 00:34:37
You have now given the money that we asked for in the original budget and you will do it again next year. He will never make it on 00:34:38
240,000. 00:34:42
Thank you. 00:34:48
Go ahead with the vote. All in favor? Say aye. Any opposed? 00:34:51
Motion carries. Appreciate your help. 00:34:57
Court administrator Mr. Hunter again. 00:35:00
This communication and transportation. 00:35:04
For mailing $8000. 00:35:09
Communication of. 00:35:14
Application account is what we're asking for. 00:35:16
Uh $8000. 00:35:21
Uh, this is the account that we. 00:35:23
Used for postage. 00:35:27
Umm, as you most of you are aware, you're now paying $0.63 for what? e-mail? When for the stamp? And we are now paying $0.57. Uh, 00:35:29
when we mail from the jury. Two years ago we were paying $0.46 per mailing. 00:35:39
We send 24,000. 00:35:49
During questionnaires. 00:35:52
Inside the drawing questionnaire which people fill out, there is also a letter. 00:35:56
Which have to be billed at 63. 00:36:01
To send back to us now, UH the rates were 57 for both mail, which we can send out $0.63 for our UH UH when it comes back. The 00:36:05
questionnaire filled out UH so that is the main driver for this. 00:36:13
Uh, we didn't. We probably would have run out of money last year. Uh, But we did not have to send out one of our Drury pools last 00:36:22
year because we didn't start trials back up until. 00:36:28
March of 2022, our trials were stopped from December until March 2022. So what we actually have, we've done pretty well 00:36:36
considering the increases. Uh, we also have more juries right now, so. 00:36:43
You know more paying the extra postal rate and we did not get an increase in those accounts last year. We did ask for one, we got 00:36:52
the same amount and uh umm at integrate we need 8000 to get through the year. We have a bill currently for the one of the things 00:36:58
that we have to pay for UMM in. 00:37:05
This year is the first quarter of next year. 00:37:12
Umm, because we will have to start using those on January 1st, so we have to get mail everything out. That's questionnaires back 00:37:16
in, so uh. 00:37:20
Two years ago we paid $7800 for the mailing. 00:37:25
The cost is now 9200. 00:37:32
For the middle. 00:37:35
So. 00:37:37
And we are using bolt mail rates for all of. 00:37:39
All of our gorilla mail lines. So I can't give you an exact number of where we all where we're gonna be at the end of the year 00:37:45
obviously because uh, but right now we've we have 52 trials last year we're at 43 right now. So we're gonna see what we did a year 00:37:51
ago so. 00:37:57
I'm assuming that if you had money to transfer in a different line, you would have done so. I appreciate it. Thank you. 00:38:05
Motion to Approve. 00:38:15
And move to Mr. Gale, seconded by Mrs. Nord, to approve request another discussion to public input. 00:38:18
All in favor, Say aye. 00:38:28
Any. 00:38:31
Motion carries. Thank you. Thank you. 00:38:32
Uh N triple C. 00:38:36
Numeri request. 00:38:39
Good evening, Council. I'm Tia Baker. I'm the assistant director with Madison County Community Corrections. 00:38:46
And I'm here today for a new money request. Umm, and a total of, uh, $96,332. 00:38:52
Uh, that total is broken down into three different line items. 00:39:02
The first line item is Operating supplies. 00:39:06
UH, requesting $72,000? UH in that line. Umm, on average right now this year we've been spending around $24,000 a month. 00:39:09
Umm. 00:39:21
This purchases food, uh, to feed the inmates at the complex. It also covers umm cleaning supplies, laundry, umm chemicals, paper 00:39:22
products, etcetera. 00:39:28
The next line item, umm, that we're requesting funds for is uh, repairs and maintenance. We're requesting $2000 there. 00:39:36
Umm. We've extended our budget. Umm and that line item as well. Umm, we're spending on average $660.00 per month. 00:39:45
That pays for Vermin pest control, fire safety checks, UH with Elmwood Fire and our copier UH maintenance agreement. 00:39:53
And lastly, in utility line items, we were requesting 22,332 dollars. 00:40:04
Umm, on average we're spending around 7444 a month. 00:40:12
Umm, so the 96332 will get us through to the end of the year? 00:40:18
And uh, I'll make a motion to approve ninety 6/03/96. Well, I just can't do that. I gotta do three separate though. No no no. Make 00:40:26
a motion approved. 00:40:31
The second desk and it was approved by UH moved by Meshton, seconded by Mrs. Norwich. 00:40:38
Any other discussion? Public comment? 00:40:46
All in favor, Say aye, Aye. 00:40:49
Well. 00:40:57
I don't know if this is the time when I speak about. 00:40:59
Raising no This is N triple C budget request. 00:41:04
No other comment. All in favor, say aye. Any opposed? 00:41:12
Motion carries. Thank you. Next we have budget adoption for three, umm, just four entities. First, the East Central IN. 00:41:16
Solid waste district. 00:41:27
To make a motion to approve second. 00:41:31
That's been moved by Mr. Gale, seconded by Mr. UH Vaughn. Any other discussion? 00:41:36
All in favor, Say aye. 00:41:44
Any opposed motion carries independence fire. I'll make a motion to approve second. 00:41:47
Independence Fire has been moved by Mr. Gale, seconded by Mr. Vaughn. 00:41:56
The other discussion. 00:42:01
All in favor, Say aye, Aye. 00:42:03
Any opposed? 00:42:06
Motion carries. 00:42:08
Next is UH Madison County budget. 00:42:10
And uh. 00:42:13
That is presented, I'm gonna read umm just a budget notes about that the original UH budget submissions from the department's 00:42:16
total vendor. 00:42:21
Umm, just under $46 million or 10% above the 23 budgeted amounts. With an overall budget increase from last year, our target was 00:42:27
to be at or below the 43 million. 00:42:33
500 or 443 point $5 million. 00:42:40
Which would be a $2,000,000 increase or about 5% over last year without a raise for our accounting employees last year we target. 00:42:45
UH 5% raise for employees in 2024. Some departments were able to permanently reduce headcount or allow for additional salary 00:42:53
adjustments and expenditures. 00:42:58
We attempted to support all departments in their quest to adjust wages to address outside comp, competitive markets and 00:43:04
disparities. Overall, 13 departments submitted budgets under the 5% growth quotient, which helped to cover other areas of needs 00:43:10
throughout our county. 00:43:15
We looked at year over year operational lines to adjust for trends unless specific needs were pointed out during our budget 00:43:21
workshop, most of the submitted budgets. 00:43:26
Needed little or no adjustments to operational funds to make the budget work. Elected officials and department heads were very 00:43:32
helpful and understanding that not every request was able to be made within this budget cycle, and that sometimes it takes years 00:43:37
to make necessary adjustments. 00:43:42
We met with and consulted some of the larger monetary requested departments to collectively work towards a feasible budget. Public 00:43:48
safety by far was the largest benefactor of overall increases in the Sheriff Jail, M Triple C and Prosecutor's office. 00:43:56
UH, there was an accounting change to budget for unfunded appropriations that drove half the increase in the commissioners budget, 00:44:05
but that doesn't have actual cash flow impact. It's an accounting measure only UH, to make the budget balance and offset the 00:44:10
commissioners. 00:44:15
Uh, accounting. We shif. 00:44:21
30 fi 350,000 of food from the jail. 00:44:24
A general fund to public safety that was freed up from the retirement. 00:44:28
That was omitted last month. 00:44:33
The uncommitted portion of. 00:44:35
Debt still allows us to rebuild the public safety balance and hold monies for use to unexpected public safety items. 00:44:37
Direct to the jail project and or hold for bond payment calculations. They're the upcoming UH later next year. I believe this is 00:44:45
inequitable and reasonable budget that addresses the most pressing needs across our county while also preserving A buffer for near 00:44:52
future unknowns and expanded services in coming years to trigger economy, not shrink. 00:44:59
The budget. 00:45:09
Uh, presented right at $43.5 million. 00:45:11
Umm, a lot of departments. I mean, every every year it's gotten better. 00:45:16
I think, uh, I think the course was one good example where they collectively work together presented one solid budget and we 00:45:21
presented that as is. 00:45:25
Uh there were other departments, clerks being one, that UH gave money back to general fund while eliminating positions at just a 00:45:30
few examples of I think good stewardship within our county. UH public safety is UH and. 00:45:38
It's not a burden, but it is is demanding more of our resources and it. 00:45:46
Pie chart, I mean it's over half, Umm is JL Sheriff Correctional Facility, public defenders, prosecutors, getting close to 60% of 00:45:52
our budget and that's unfortunately we're, you know the majority of our monies are going to be spent. 00:46:00
Can you press? I'll make a motion to approve. Second, the motion to approve the budget as presented by Mr. Emery, seconded by Mr. 00:46:11
Gale. Any other comment or questions? So I also presented a budget that. Yeah, I also presented a budget that is, I looked over 00:46:19
your budget that you. Umm, I'm not sure who I worked on that one. I did not. Umm, I did look over that budget. And I'm just gonna 00:46:27
say a couple things. First and foremost, umm, I recently saw a study called Prosperity Indiana and it talks about. 00:46:34
The salary that it takes from every individual in Madison County to be able to afford housing here. 00:46:43
And not spend more than 30% of their income on housing. Now we're sitting here at this council. 00:46:50
Do not have that issue when it comes to finances, OK, but looking at our our budget and looking at some of our really low paid umm 00:46:57
people within our community are in our county. Umm, there's a lot of people that are way below that threshold. 00:47:03
Umm, that threshold, Umm is is around $34,000. 00:47:10
Which still is not a lot of money, but that's the threshold at 1650 an hour. 00:47:14
So when I went through the budget that you guys proposed initially that you're talking about here, I went through that and I made, 00:47:19
I tried to get everybody that was below that 34,000 threshold, first of all up to the $34,000 threshold. 00:47:25
Umm, there's still a few departments that I have some slices that we need to do some work on. But at the end of the day, because I 00:47:33
can't get everybody up to where we'd like to have them at, umm, you have to, you have to bring that, that measure down a little 00:47:39
bit. So that's something that we still have to work on. But in the budget that I presented, I got the majority of people up to 00:47:45
$34,000, umm, and then of course incremented up towards, you know, up from that point for other departments that were already at 00:47:50
that point. 00:47:56
That was one thing that was very discouraging when I saw the budget that was proposed on Friday. 00:48:04
Umm another thing that umm. 00:48:09
I'm confused about honestly. If I'm looking at the public safety, umm. 00:48:14
Uh, budget. And I guess I'm really confused about the retirement and why we're appropriating $1.4 million in a direct. Could give 00:48:19
me some insight on that because I thought that was gonna be lowered when we funded the public when we funded the UH, I did check 00:48:25
with Rick on that and thank you for the question. We umm, we left it in there as is. We we know we're gonna have a payment of 400 00:48:30
and some thousand. We don't know the exact amount. Umm, it's OK to leave it in there. We we were not gonna pay more than the 00:48:36
payment that's due. 00:48:42
Umm, we're not running over the budget it it just did not get adjusted down, that's all. We still have money and we need the 00:48:48
threshold of income coming in. Well, I understand that that's $1,000,000 threshold, which is quite a bit. 00:48:54
We don't know what's gonna happen with the economy next year. 00:49:37
Umm. 00:49:41
It's still available. It can be extended next year and I think our conversations with UH Sheriff and UH others in public safety, 00:49:42
we're we'd like to hold on to it because if we commit it, it's like a debt. I mean if we. 00:49:49
Push it all toward salaries and have a little bit of a downturn. We don't have room to group UH, move UH or adjust things for 00:49:56
unknowns next year. 00:50:00
Unknowns with the dispatch center. The back of the dispatch center. Well, yeah. So it's it's money that will likely have to be 00:50:06
spent, but at least for now, it's reserved until we know what some of those things are and it's reserved in public safety. That 00:50:11
was the intent. So it's not the general fund specific for general. Uh, general or public safety. OK, so a couple other concerns 00:50:16
that I had. Umm. 00:50:21
I am a strong advocate that we need to have our jail and we need to have M triple C on equal playing field. Umm they need to be 00:50:27
Umm. You know in our we had the sheriff had talked about putting them at $22.00 an hour. I don't think that's an astronomical 00:50:35
amount of salary for them. Umm I did put back in the matrix for the jail and M triple C umm. 00:50:42
That puts at least us on an even playing field with Pendleton. 00:50:51
Umm $22.00 an hour I've I've. 00:50:55
I've toured the jail recently, I've toured M Triple C and I'm telling you right now, guys. 00:50:58
I would not wanna work there. 00:51:03
OK and $22.00 an hour. 00:51:05
Of finance and if it happened at our jail, umm, and if if they need to be paid back, that is not. 00:51:41
I just a strong advocate that this needs to be done. 00:51:46
And I don't see how we can reduce that. 00:51:49
Umm with putting the jail back in and into this matrix and putting M triple C on the same salary as umm what the jail's at. I 00:52:27
still wanna have the same budget line that you guys are at as far as the budget goes. I was able to get people up to $34,000 at 00:52:32
least. 00:52:37
And like I said, there's many departments that are greater than that. Umm, Some of the things that I, some of the things that I 00:52:42
did differently than what you did. Umm, for one, Umm. 00:52:47
The Commissioner's budget. Umm, I know. 00:52:56
A year ago, before this, last year, we had appropriated $4 million into the insurance fund. Umm, I am a little frustrated that, 00:52:59
you know, this last year we appropriated $5.4 million and just last month the Commissioner came and transferred money out of that 00:53:04
insurance line item to pay for other things. 00:53:10
If money is gonna be appropriated into the insurance line item, it needs to stay in the insurance and we need to be building that 00:53:16
fund up. Being self insured, we need to build the insurance fund up and utilizing that as a flush fund to pay for other things 00:53:21
that come up is not the way to do it. 00:53:26
Umm, I would really like to see a resolution of some sort that whenever money is appropriated into that line item stays within the 00:53:32
insurance budget and at the end of the year. 00:53:36
UH, whatever's left in that fund that they transfer that and I think they transferred $450,000 a month into that that insurance 00:53:40
fund with a pay claim at the end of the year. If there's money leftover in that fund, then that money should go into the Madison 00:53:46
County reserve insurance fund. Does it not do that? It already does that. I understand that, Rob, but. 00:53:52
Last month they used some of that money to pay for other things. 00:53:59
And it should only be utilized for the insurance. 00:54:03
We need to build it up. 00:54:06
And my thought process. 00:54:08
I reduced that down to $5,000,000. I know our claims are a little bit lower this year than the last year and you never know what's 00:54:11
gonna happen from year to year, but I believe that any money that comes back to the general fund, the last year we had $2,000,000 00:54:15
that came back to the general fund. 00:54:19
And I don't think it's gonna be that this year, but I think that we'll definitely have $400,000 that we could put instead of in 00:54:24
the rainy day. Let's put it into that insurance plan and start building that up. Likewise, I know the, I know the umm, the core 00:54:29
umm, the core umm. 00:54:34
Not a thing here. I know the auditor did at least one and I know, umm, the juvenile center reduced employees and that's saving US 00:54:40
money on the insurance line. And that was almost $400,000 just alone. And that's that that's averaging $25,000 for each employee. 00:54:48
So I think that's that's doable and at the end of the day if we, if we have a problem like I said, I think we need to take that 00:54:56
reserve and put it in there so that we can pull and draw from that. 00:55:01
Another thing, I've got an issue with, umm, the call center. And I own a call center. I've talked extensively with Jenny and I 00:55:06
will tell you on the very big advocate of our call center. It is a nucleus of Madison County and it's what keeps our fleets and 00:55:13
our fire protected every day. It keeps their citizens protected and it is, it is a crucial purpose of our our public safety. 00:55:19
Umm, there has been an issue with that that call center and the funding in that call Center for over three years. 00:55:27
And it still has not been res. 00:55:33
You know, the reality of it is the statute changed. 00:55:36
You can't force the other municipalities. 00:55:41
And to say, OK, well, we're gonna be short for $100,000 next year, so now we have to up that money. What are you gonna do when 00:55:44
nobody wants to pay? 00:55:48
Are we just gonna keep funding it? 00:55:52
I mean, these are things that should have been addressed 2 years ago, three years ago. 00:55:54
Umm, 2 years ago, you guys all talked about a public safety test, but there was absolutely no discussion whatsoever on that public 00:55:59
safety tax about maybe we need to look at what we're gonna do with our Health Center. So yes, there was. Well, you know what? 00:56:05
There was. And that's also another branch of government that has been actively working on. 00:56:12
Renowned contracts sorting through and negotiating all of that that's not what the County Council does. We we decide what we can 00:56:19
fund and and just to be clear if if everyone else stopped paying I don't believe we have to continue to offer the service to 00:56:25
everyone else. So those municipality would have to find no I, I, I I did check into that so it would be much more costly for all 00:56:32
those other UH townships uh cities to create their own dispatch centers so. 00:56:39
We unfortunately at this point have to continue to allow the commissioners to work through UH, the process of working with the, 00:56:46
the leaders of those other other municipalities. Well, I'm just gonna say that it might be in their their umm their budget that 00:56:52
line item is, but we're expecting to fund it. 00:56:57
So it should be also part of our concern is how that's gonna be funded and that's why we're setting aside in public safety for 00:57:03
unknown. 00:57:07
Public safety. I understand why you're doing that, and I'm OK with that. 00:57:13
Umm, but I'm telling you. 00:57:16
Cut it by $200,000. I cut. Well by $200,000 I did. I did cut it into $200,000 And the reason I said that was from 5.4 to 5 00:57:19
million. And I did it again. And I just explained to you why about saving that money. I just explained to you why. 00:57:27
Vipuct. 00:57:36
I just explained that to pay you for, you know, salaries, jail salaries. No, not just jail salaries and sheriff salaries. I went 00:57:39
through the budget and I made sure that everyone as much as possible, there's very few that are below the $34,000 threshold. And 00:57:44
it's important that we give them there. They can't. I mean, you're talking about doing a 5% increase on the $33,000 income and 00:57:50
that's about a $1200 increase for a year. That is, that is ridiculous. 00:57:56
That is insulting. 00:58:02
I would be so frustrated if I was an employee making that, that that's not important. And not only that, Rob, looking at your 00:58:04
budget, there were several line items of places where they got a 20% increase. One employee here got a 20% increase. This employee 00:58:09
here gets another 20%. 00:58:14
Why are we doing that? Oh, I think you said on the, I mean mid year those rates there, there were some raises that went through 00:58:20
mid year that were upwards of 20% because they were so low Rob. That's why they were there. But at the end of the day, but on top 00:58:26
of that, on top of that you went and gave another 5% increase. 00:58:32
So almost everybody that got a salary increase and I don't think that that was necessarily a good move. The whole point of doing 00:58:38
the salary increases during the middle of the year was to encourage department heads. 00:58:43
To get a hard look at. 00:58:48
And to start really budgeting what they really need. 00:58:50
Umm, but. But we asked that our we asked through that process is, are these raises going to be considered for? And we never got an 00:58:53
answer. Nobody from the council ever. We asked what I thought about that and I told you what I thought about that. 00:59:00
You one person? Yeah. We never said apology. I never really got much of A response as a collect. 00:59:08
Uh, putting the budget together. We never talked about it during our workshop. I I, I think if we, I think we have to also. 00:59:16
Remember two things. One, we can't fix every issue. 00:59:23
In. 00:59:27
One cycle, one budget cycle, because there's just simply not enough money to do that. But two, we're we're. 00:59:28
Dealing with an employee UH group that for 10 years or more hardly saw a raise at all and. 00:59:35
There are so many positions in county government that are so underfunded, so underpaid, where lucky people. 00:59:44
Selling exposition. So some of these larger increases we're gonna try to fix years worth of underpayment, years worth of lack of 00:59:51
raises that should have gotten that person up to a fair and equitable wage for the year 2023. 00:59:58
But because the the finances wouldn't allow the council to do that or the councils in the past chose other other avenues. 01:00:06
We now over the last few years have been stuck with trying to figure out ways, umm, serenity, so a decade going problem or more. 01:00:14
And so I think in this budget we've been able to do that in, in a lot of cases at the same time, umm, being able to, uh, at least 01:00:21
do a 5% increase in many positions even if we couldn't completely correct that issue or that's hey uh, in this budget cycle we're 01:00:27
getting a whole lot closer and we're at least able because of Pruitt leveraging over the last few years and good decisions that 01:00:33
have been made. 01:00:39
Our county governments in a financial position now to where we can actually start working on fixing the problem. 01:00:46
I wish we could fix it all in one budget cycle, but that's just not reality. 01:00:54
We should. 01:01:00
Be honest and transparent that. 01:01:02
This is and and for a lot of accounting employees that have been around for a while, this is a very significant improvement and 01:01:04
and compensation. 01:01:08
For county employees compared to what they've seen in over the last decade or so, I mean there's there's I think the largest pay 01:01:13
increase was 3% a couple of years back prior to that there was a 1% pay increase. 01:01:19
And I believe that's it for 10 years. 01:01:27
So. 01:01:30
The 5% may not be quite enough, but it's a whole lot better than nothing, and it's a whole lot better than 1%. 01:01:32
Or things moving in the right direction. Well, I think that's easy to say if you're not making $33,000 a year. 01:01:38
Right. 01:01:45
I'd like to. You guys aren't gonna hate me for this. 01:01:46
Point of order. 01:01:51
Miss Kowalski answer. You guys are violating the open door while getting ready to. 01:01:53
You have to do every budget cut and go over it in public. 01:01:58
You have to and I've been advised by state. 01:02:02
Attorney Rokita's office on down to several county. 01:02:06
And you have to do public. 01:02:10
Hey you guys proposed a budget at workshops. 01:02:12
You advertise it and you have to do by law. How long, Council member? Because this is not just me. This is very professional. 01:02:15
You're asking the wrong question of these folks. 01:02:20
I'm I'm asking. You're asking about budget cuts. This is not budget cuts. We're creating a budget. 2 totally different things. I'm 01:02:25
sure I'm trying to compete. You presented. Hold on. I got that. I want to finish please. You present. You presented the budget at 01:02:31
workshops. 01:02:37
You advertise the Quest budget request, whatever. We have workshops we heard and and we've done over this before Councilman 01:02:43
Vaughn. And it's been clarified before and what you're alleging is completely inaccurate. And I think that maybe this would be an 01:02:49
appropriate time, UH, if the council president would like for attorney to address it. Yes, I really would because my understanding 01:02:54
is. 01:03:00
I'm not sure if I followed the question fully. I am completely unaware of how the council could violate open door law during an 01:03:09
open meeting. So I don't think you're in any violation. You're in an open meeting. You're following the rules right now. The 01:03:16
budget last month when we were here was introduced and proposed, umm, so that's the budget that was formulated under. 01:03:23
36 to 4 sixes right around there. The auditor prepared it. It was introduced, There was a public hearing. That was all done 01:03:32
according to statute. 01:03:36
This is the second reading. According to the law, you have to have two readings. This is the second reading of it. There's been no 01:03:41
budget cuts made. Umm. 01:03:45
Apart from what was advertised at the last meeting, that's what I mean. 01:03:52
Because there wasn't a budget yet, and we've explained it's not a budget. You have to do all the budget cuts. What you advertise 01:03:59
in public, what you're cutting down to, I don't understand. I've heard from several state officials. 01:04:06
AIC directors I I don't understand and I'm watching online what other candidates have done. I don't understand Microsoft 01:04:13
different. 01:04:16
If you present a. 01:04:20
You advertise at the workshop, you present that they go behind closed doors. Ken reported on that a year ago. Our newspaper got. 01:04:22
Your Your budget wasn't presented until last month. 01:04:31
When it was introduced. 01:04:34
Budget workshops are not the presentation of the budget. That's the formulation and that's the process we go through to start to 01:04:35
formulate. It was introduced last month. There was a public hearing as required by statute last month. 01:04:41
If there have been suggested changes, like Counselor Nordic has uh suggested changes, those would have to be UH amended. You have 01:04:47
to amend the current budget and you have to be a motion and then to amend that UH budget and that would amend the budget. 01:04:54
But you had an introduction last month. 01:05:02
What is currently in front of the Council right now over the same budget? 01:05:05
No, it is not. It is different because it's it's it's a couple $1,000,000 less than what the original budget was. 01:05:13
I don't have that and. 01:05:20
The 43 to lower the amount that was advertised at the last meeting. So that to me is considered a cut in a for in order for us to 01:05:26
make those those changes within that budget that was advertised a month ago, we should have to do that in the public and that's 01:05:32
what I'm proposing well doing, I don't think you can do it. 01:05:39
Go through and show where you may build budget cuts or those changes. 01:05:46
It's not a presented yes. It is no. You're presenting a budget last meeting. 01:05:51
Since then, I have received 2 emails changing that with no explanation of what you did. I had to put them up on my screen side by 01:05:56
side, and go by line on my line and see what you think. What's the difference between what, Mrs. Norris, I need to go over that. 01:06:02
If we're even looking at it, we need to discuss it. You just presented this. 01:06:08
New budget that you've changed twice and you're trying to pass it off to the same budget you presented last meeting, and that is a 01:06:14
violation of open door. 01:06:18
Wha who are working on this right now? Because it was not. It was not me who made these changes. Mr. Gale and I worked with the. 01:06:23
And and and everybody council president did ask everybody to. 01:06:33
Submit their their input to the auditor's office. Umm, and very few people did that. 01:06:38
Uh. Any input that was presented was was uh. 01:06:44
Look into and. 01:06:49
But with all due respect, Councilman Gale, this is the county budget. The auditor is done when he publishes the budget. 01:06:51
And he sets dates to advertise a budget. This is 7 members of the council. 01:06:58
This is the reason why some of the count. I don't understand this what I'm right along on the logs and I'm not a lawyer. Why is 01:07:04
other counties do it in extreme and online which think guys are doing cargo law on 25 you got to stream it. 01:07:10
Why is that? They do budget cuts in several other counties. Here's Madison County we do, and we wonder why we don't get ahead of 01:07:17
anything. 01:07:19
The public should know it's their tax month. There's absolutely no discussion on this council whatsoever about this budget. 01:07:23
And you know, I I I emailed you my suggestion, but I would have loved some feedback. 01:07:32
Umm, from you guys, Anybody? 01:07:37
Uh, as far as you know, this isn't gonna work. And here's why or why did you do this or that. There was absolutely no feedback. 01:07:39
Instead, three members went in that with the auditor did your own little budget, and this is what you're presenting tonight. And 01:07:44
I'm not in favor of that budget. And I think there needs to be some public comment, and I think the employees deserve a right to 01:07:50
know what you're proposing. 01:07:55
And if that takes all night, I'm OK with that. What's the difference with you working with other council members? I didn't work 01:08:02
with any other council members. No, none. I did it on my own. You met with after I got done, I emailed it to Mikhail. I emailed 01:08:07
everyone of you guys. 01:08:12
Mattel asked me a couple of questions about it. Stephanie asked me a couple questions about it. You called me today. I talked to 01:08:17
you. There was no discussion about it, but I told you exactly in my budget. Why? Why? 01:08:23
And I am willing to sit down now and go over every person's budget in here as what I was proposing and why I proposed what I did. 01:08:30
Because it needs to be public. I for one, didn't go over your budget. I'll be honest, because I got, uh, at least 8 phone calls 01:08:37
from nearly panicked umm uh, department heads or elected officials. 01:08:43
So the idea I looked over. 01:09:20
And I did contact the manager's office because I knew. 01:09:24
So we couldn't. 01:09:28
In your original you had moved the 1.2 on the commissioners above the public safety and I will get back to you today. Yes, today I 01:09:30
received. 01:09:35
So the last, the last budget I received from you, you had UH 1.2 million and I went in, talk to rig, talked to Todd. 01:09:41
Is this even possible? No, it's not possible. It's cash flow, everything. Bonds. Not gonna work. I didn't receive your other ideas 01:09:49
until 11:30 today. Well, you should have got it last. 01:09:54
Umm, And I did that in order to be able to get the jail up. That was the $22.00 and M triple C up to $22.00. 01:10:30
And and we do have there. There were I I know that you couldn't get everybody. 01:10:37
To the salary that you. 01:10:43
And there's none of them are to the salary at once. Well, none. None exactly, but. 01:10:45
Not not everyone is to the salary that you want. Not everyone is the salary that I want. 01:10:52
But there are discrepancies because. 01:10:57
You you did give the raises to people who did receive raises. 01:11:00
I did. You know I did. Then they would have gotten more. Yes. I'm just. I'm just. 01:11:06
Please. You you were. With all due respect, it's OK. 01:11:10
With all due respect. 01:11:18
You made it sound as if you didn. 01:11:21
And some of us who worked. 01:11:24
Just give raises more than the 5%, but you did give an individual a raise, a couple actually who did get one during the year and I 01:11:27
know that, you know that, but I just for full transparency, I just wanted to mention that. And that's why I want to go over the 01:11:34
budget now as well as the reason I did that Diana, is because after receiving your guys budget on Friday, I realized that you had 01:11:42
given umm well some people didn't even get a 5% increase. Umm Mr. Kidder got a 300. I think dollar increase was all he got on his. 01:11:50
Wanting his money to go down to his staff and when we met with him. 01:12:01
That's what he told us. So we some some people gave, listen to them, gave the raise or the 5% or what they asked for. Some people 01:12:06
based it on merit. 01:12:11
And I think that's important too because we didn't try to micromanage you know all the department heads. We really if we spoke, I 01:12:17
spoke with several. I don't, I didn't speak with everybody. I spoke with several that I had questions about their budget and many 01:12:23
of them. 01:12:28
Hey, what about this? This person didn't know. I'll tell you what I've done is I've taken duties away or I've done this or this. 01:12:34
We've agreed on it. It's fine. So personally I feel like the department head should be able to manage his or her budget according. 01:12:41
And if some if they didn't require, if they didn't request a raise for themselves, didn't want one, then why should we change that 01:12:48
for themselves? That was just my opinion. Well, that might be the case in a couple, yes. 01:12:55
55% increases as well. 01:13:04
Thompson Still, I'd like. 01:13:07
Talk, whatever, I don't. I don't wanna overrule them. 01:13:09
Just give me a chance to speak when they're done. 01:13:12
Are you guys done? I just didn't want to rush you. 01:13:16
This is the third year I've been on this council. 01:13:21
I've said in. 01:13:30
Good. 01:13:33
Before I would start that how many people I get an e-mail from the auditor. 01:13:34
I think it's supposed to be set. So how many people met with the council members through this budget? I know Jody worked on it. I 01:13:39
asked her a few questions. How many members did this other proposed budget of this one? 01:13:44
Councilman Gale still, and you met with the author. 01:13:51
How many meetings took place through a bunch of meetings that we we collectively took some action items. Seeing what you get with 01:13:54
this UH department you get with that let's feed it back. What can they live with. But I didn't get anything because I'm the one to 01:14:00
work with. I mean I think if I sent emails to everybody and said. 01:14:06
That constitutes a meeting. This is nor extending. 01:14:13
Uh, her proposed budget. I don't know if that falls under open door asking for comment herself. I did not ask for comment when I 01:14:19
sent it. You just said you wanted feedback. That's why you didn't get. It would have been nice to get some feedback from the 01:14:23
president of the council. 01:14:27
As to what I had presented and why it did or did not work. 01:14:33
I'm not talking about feedback from every other company. OK, well, this the same way. It's been done the last two years. Now this 01:14:36
is the third year Public has no idea. 01:14:41
I have a lot to do respect for Mr. Kowalski. 01:14:47
He's a great. 01:14:49
But we're gonna disagree. 01:14:51
I haven't answered your question. Oh well. Anyway, here, here, here's the thing. 01:14:53
We've been falling back behind on raises. I've got a list last year at immigrant with me of 1% raise discussion every year on 01:15:00
here, 1% raises in this, in this and that and and not very good races. 01:15:06
How can you explain to the employees and the taxpayers of this county you got $10.5 million in a rainy day fund, 21 million as 01:15:14
ARPA? 01:15:18
I want to explain it. I'm just saying to the people with this perception. 01:15:23
Where we're giving we can't. Uh, also customer every two years you do the same budget, right? They they came up with your formula 01:15:27
budget, right, right everything. 01:15:31
So they just got a healthy raise. 01:15:37
Now we're gonna follow a dollar short in the way you guys wanna do it? 01:15:39
We have a national trend of people work from home but they can't do to gel staff. 01:15:44
#2 01:15:48
People wanna go to four days of work week. 01:15:51
So we're agreeing with a lot of things with. 01:15:53
The type of work they're doing inside the jail with mental patients, this is not criminal anymore. 01:15:55
The worst The worst Dangerous job in the. 01:16:02
And you're saying they're not worth the dollar? This young lady, I'm gonna call her. 01:16:05
So that, uh, that lady's got hard, she's gonna quit. 01:16:12
What you guys better? What appreciation we're showing and then you're gonna give some raises. 01:16:16
In the auditor's. 01:16:21
Some of those people are making more necessary office. That's a level 2. 01:16:23
And there's no certification needed over there. 01:16:27
It's the Saint Gregor St. right? This is why we need to get to serious meetings. 01:16:32
In Carroll County, they met three days in a row. That way, we each appointed budget. Hey, maybe we should do this. Maybe we should 01:16:37
do this. 01:16:40
3rd. 01:16:44
You guys met with the auditor? 01:16:46
He did his job. He presented the budget. 01:16:49
He advertised the. 01:16:52
Now I've been told by several officials. 01:16:55
I won't say this shut up if this pastors and I have found a junction with the Circuit Court and get an injunction. And I promise 01:16:57
you I gotta turn his way and they're watching. 01:17:01
You're better on the wall. 01:17:06
Because we do. 01:17:08
There's no communication. This is the point I'm trying to get across. 01:17:12
Point of. 01:17:19
I'm I'm saying is I I don't. Here's Madison County. We do this stuff thing every year. We do the same stuff. 01:17:21
You can see some people don't even care. 01:17:28
You wanna have a workshop meeting? 01:17:31
And even when I go with the other work on the budget, it should be working with the council and have it in the public where your 01:17:34
taxpayers and employees know what's going on. 01:17:38
You may cut to the budget. 01:17:42
And I guess you know, I I I I don't understand. 01:17:44
Hi. You're saying you got money up for now if we never catch up? 01:17:47
The jail. 01:17:52
And the MCC have put in. 01:17:53
And honor the people that's been here for a while. We don't have too many employees left the center. They all jump ship. And I'm 01:17:56
telling you guys passed this tonight, you're going to be answering. 01:18:00
While people are leaving this county. 01:18:05
You've got some people, you have raises last year in there. It's not fair. 01:18:07
It's not fair. 01:18:12
Now I've been on 2 bargaining committees. 01:18:16
So and and listen, I've had police call me. I'm not playing politics with people's money. 01:18:19
I don't want it fair for everyone. I've stated this the last two years. It's the same way. 01:18:24
And I'm telling. 01:18:28
It's not right. 01:18:31
You go work in the jail, probably. No, you wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do it. I work at a poop fan. I wouldn't make $30 over. I 01:18:33
wouldn't go over there. 01:18:36
At least them to a competitive way. We got the state facilities Omega 22. 01:18:41
You've got now I talk. Chefs get over their work. Now he's pushed for 22, Hamilton's 22. 01:18:47
Now if we let this go and you guys pass your budget. 01:18:53
21. 01:18:56
And the state is they do theirs. And here is a bigger gap. 01:18:57
And how are we supposed to honor those employees to stay? 01:19:00
So you're right here. It's disrespecting her. 01:19:04
While she went through. This ain't right. We have the money. How are we ever gonna catch it up? We have a little bit of money now 01:19:07
we need. 01:19:10
Mr. President, yes, Sir, I would just like to point out. 01:19:13
We've heard. 01:19:19
Reggae funds from members of this Council. 01:19:20
And our performance from this council and we've heard it from office holders and elected officials. 01:19:23
That we're sitting on $10 million on a regime fund and they act like it's a crime that we're doing with that. 01:19:29
Uh, that we should be using for pay rates. 01:19:36
I gotta tell you, one of the most reckless things this council could ever do is take one time money. 01:19:38
And you have a pay raise with it. Because guess what? Next year we gotta pay for that. The year after, the year after. The year 01:19:45
after we gotta pay for that. You cannot use one time revenue to get pay raises, not to mention. 01:19:50
Uh, you saw the graph and chart up here, uh, over the time where we had I think 38,000 dollars, $39,000 in our radiative fund, 01:19:58
36,000, even lower. 01:20:02
What's going on? 01:20:07
We're supposed to. 01:20:10
20 to 25%. 01:20:12
Of our annual budget in our 80 day fund, I mean that's the recommendations that we're getting from numerous different 01:20:14
organizations and oversight organizations, uh, which is not where we are. We're finally there. 01:20:19
I've taken a lot of hard work to get it there. 01:20:25
But we cannot look at this. 01:20:28
This one time revenue money to give pay raises is impossible to do. Uh, about nearly 60% of our budget if you look at pie up here. 01:20:31
In the words of my. 01:20:40
Old friend Fred Reese, the pine going. 01:20:42
60%, nine percent of our budget is our is going towards public safety. 01:20:45
That leaves us 40 to 41% for every other agency here. And like then I got called. I didn't hear from 8:00 I called, I got from 5 01:20:52
different departments that were kind of panicked over some of the suggestions that were being made for their budgets. Uh, that 01:20:57
they would not be able to operate with what was being suggested. 01:21:02
There's. 01:21:10
$43.5 million no matter how we benefit. 01:21:11
No matter how we divide that up. 01:21:14
You can only do what you can do with the money that you have available. 01:21:17
We've taken some pretty big bites at the apple this year with mid year raises. 01:21:21
Uh, with some reductions in personnel. 01:21:27
Umm, and again the 5% rate coming across the board, I would. 01:21:30
To give everybody a 20% raise. 01:21:36
But then you have to ask, where does the money come from? 01:21:38
This council is not sitting on a big pile of endless money and just being a bunch of mean folks that don't wanna give. 01:21:41
I'm a pro public safety as they get. I've been a policeman now for 31 years. 01:21:48
Still sleeping. 01:21:52
And I agree. I told the jail staff. I've told the folks over in triple. 01:21:55
I wouldn't want your job. 01:22:00
I don't wanna go to work over there. 01:22:02
Yeah, I appreciate that. There are people that are stepping up new in that. 01:22:04
We cannot fix this in one year. We cannot do. 01:22:08
We were able to give a substantial raise this year until the. 01:22:11
Hopefully next year we can concentrate on M, Triple C and a few others. 01:22:15
Uh, but we have to do this in stages. We can't do it all at once. And to get to the point where we're gonna take. 01:22:19
From other departments to where they can't even function, they still have a responsibility for the citizens of this county. 01:22:27
To provide. 01:22:32
So our taxpayer is not here. We have to fund them appropriately so that they can provide those services. Each and every office has 01:22:34
a service that they provide. 01:22:38
And it would be unfair, it would, it would be immoral for us just until the point where they could not provide the services. 01:22:42
Citizens with. 01:22:48
So again, is this budget perfect? No, it's nowhere near perfect. 01:22:50
It's 5% enough for employees? Absolutely it is not. 01:22:55
1st we can only do what we can do. There's $43.5 million. 01:22:59
We have come up with a. 01:23:05
Uh, division of of that? 01:23:09
Take care of what we can take care of. This year. We prioritized, we looked at it and again, those folks that got the big piece of 01:23:13
the pie this year. 01:23:16
So we're going to look at the folks that smaller pieces next year, but we gotta do. 01:23:20
Year after year and continually be chasing after it. We can't do it all in one year. 01:23:25
Thank you, Anthony. I agree with you 100% on a lot of what you said and I agree that we do need a rainy day fund. It's important 01:23:29
and I'm not looking at saying that we should be utilizing those funds to salaries. 01:23:34
Because it is not something that we can sustain. I get that. What I don't understand is when we're doing. 01:23:40
For people that are making 67 to $80,000 a year in this community, and I get it, you've got degrees and you should get paid more 01:23:48
for that, but when you're giving them more than a 5% increase? 01:23:53
And then you got somebody down here that's making $32,000 a year and all we're giving them is 5. 01:23:58
That is not fair. 01:24:04
That is not. 01:24:06
To those employees that are making that low the salary. 01:24:07
Umm, through your personnel committee. I mean that that ought to be something that we formulate through the beginning of the year. 01:24:44
So that come budget time, that's one of our goals to do and we build that into the budget up front. Umm, that is something that I 01:24:50
was able to fix. 01:24:54
Uh, I I Jody. 01:24:59
Yes, I did and and I got the calls. I got no fewer than 11:50 calls from the budget star UH department heads. 01:25:02
Where you were micromanaging their budget, cutting their budget to pay for others and and that just wasn't gonna work. 01:25:12
I don't feel that I was micromanaging and I was trying to have an educated conversation with the parking head about their spending 01:25:20
and whether or not they could make it on less than what they're asking for. 01:25:25
Because at the end of the day, Rob, if we don't start reallocating some of our funds within the budget, you're never gonna make 01:25:30
any changes. 01:25:34
Your your large departments are always gonna get the most. 01:25:37
Uh, your large paid people are always gonna get more than the low paid people. 01:25:41
I mean. 01:25:46
I'm sorry if I offended, but uh, department heads I I apologize if I offend offended then that was not my goal. My goal was merely 01:25:47
to be able to get some of the lower paid people up to where they need to be. 01:25:52
To make sure that our policy works, but we don't address anything. When? When are we gonna talk about this budget? When are we 01:25:58
gonna go over this budget that you 3 proposed? Yeah. 01:26:03
I mean, tonight all you wanted, wanted to really do was. 01:26:09
Let's vote on it. 01:26:13
And you're not gonna talk about the different different departments and what you've done with these departments because when I 01:26:14
looked at your budget, Rob, it was the average that you did for most of the spending for a lot, Yes. I mean, yeah, because we're 01:26:19
not. I mean, we've looked at average spending and and looking at it for the third year, some of you for 4-5, eight years, close to 01:26:24
umm. 01:26:29
Inducing trends and that you kind of get a feel for what departments Uh, this is your first first go through it. I know you spent 01:26:36
a lot of time with it an exceptional amount of time. But I can't say it was perfect. I don't think ours is. I know it's not 01:26:44
perfect. I have no idea. I there's no budget that's perfect because the time you pass. 01:26:51
Things. 01:26:59
Well, all I know is that I don't think we took care of the low paid employees in your budget. 01:27:00
Umm, I don't think a 1012 hundred dollar increase for an employee is when they're at $37,000. It's just not adequate. And when you 01:27:05
got somebody making. 01:27:09
7080 thousand dollars and plus we're getting money out of surplus funds. There's a couple of departments that have additional 01:27:13
funding that they pay some salaries out of the raises. 01:27:18
And and yeah, we talked. 01:27:23
About that that you could take that on as a personnel committee looking at umm depart not department head but elected officials 01:27:24
page and the supplemental funds. I know you wanted to address that during the budget cycle, but I think it was a little past due 01:27:30
we talked about that. 01:27:36
Sorry, go ahead, go ahead. Each year there's always the question if we think we're going to have some money to give raises, uh, 01:27:43
whether we end up having that or not, the the question is still there. UH, if we're giving raises, is it better to do a percentage 01:27:48
across the board, everyone gets the same percentage. 01:27:53
Or do we look at the jobs and a competitive wage for those different positions? And one thing we've been hearing routinely from a 01:27:59
lot of department heads, a lot of our elected officials, is that certain departments are in an extremely difficult time, uh, 01:28:05
hiring and maintaining employees because they're way, way, way below any kind of competitive market rate. And that's something 01:28:11
we've heard from the prosecutor's office. And you know, if you're paying two departments, if you're paying a prosecuting attorney 01:28:17
$50,000 a year. 01:28:23
That's gonna be really hard with a 5% raise to get that to a point where you're going to be able to fill that position or maintain 01:28:31
someone in that position. So we have to look at certain positions and and focus on getting, umm. 01:28:38
Up to a competitive wage so that they can actually hire people in those positions and provide those services. And so that's one 01:28:47
thing that that in some departments we've been able to do with this proposed budget, umm, but while doing that also being able to 01:28:53
do it across the board, uh pay raise for uh other positions, umm again? 01:28:59
It. 01:29:07
The vast majority of our employees will make more money in 24 than what they've ever made here. Uh, working here with this budget. 01:29:08
Umm, and. 01:29:13
Yeah, all of them. I believe in unless we had somebody saying no, this, this position doesn't need a raise or I don't need a raise 01:29:20
or something like that. Unless we have that. I believe everybody else Mm-hmm. Had some, some type of a raise factor in. Umm. 01:29:28
I believe it's very fair and I believe it's very realistic and I believe that sometimes it's difficult to be in this position 01:29:36
where you do have to say certain positions. 01:29:40
Umm are gonna require a bit more funding, uh, for those jobs to be filled and those jobs to be done for the taxpayers, UMM, and 01:29:45
and across the board. 01:29:50
Pay raise doesn't doesn't always fix the. 01:29:55
When it's been 10 years or so of. 01:29:58
Uh, wages have lagged and and not then been adjusted. 01:30:01
I I don't know how any of us can sit up here and say, I mean, looking at these hard numbers since Friday and looking at 2 budgets 01:30:08
here proposed, I thought we were gonna come here and discuss it today. 01:30:14
Uh, we are discussing right now. Yeah, but let me check, let let let me check Counseling. Let me open up the state of Indiana for 01:30:20
it. Carroll County got $9.2 million load. That took them three days to hash out the whole budget of public meetings. 01:30:26
You guys wanna come in here, do your little meetings back there and just pass the budget? 01:30:33
Now hold on, I'm sorry, I'll give you the I I I'm saying it is I see some of these employees got right. Remember we cut positions 01:30:37
the auditors office some other positions and then we we gave raises right in their budget. We all agreed that we did that. 01:30:44
But you're saying it's fair, but you're telling these jail people and MCC people that's making a dollar under a competitive wages 01:30:52
around us? 01:30:56
You've got more people in the auditor. 01:31:00
You still have no cubific. 01:31:03
I got people at center's office has to have certification by state statute. 01:31:05
And then I got them. General offic. 01:31:11
And MCC dealing with mental people getting crazy every day that every time they wrestle them, we don't know what they wrestle. 01:31:14
And you're telling me this is fair? 01:31:22
When there's no. 01:31:25
And then it it it lets you go to session and any other these people should be front of the line. 01:31:27
Alright. 01:31:34
Maybe it's a dangerous every day. So how can you say it's fair? I I don't. I don't think you think about taxpayers. You lose. They 01:31:35
have an alternate proposal. I I, I. 01:31:39
You're you're that's the problem with the dynamic. 01:31:47
All the services that we provide, everybody can make the case for their employees or additional services, but prioritize public 01:31:50
safety. 01:31:54
Of the job. What would you rather do? Auditor's office or jail? You know, the honors Office. I I think. I think you need to be 01:32:00
careful, Councilman Vaughn, because there are people in the auditor's office doing accounting work doing doing things that that 01:32:07
require a lot of skill a lot of experience. And they deserve and and they and and they just and and and and they deserve. 01:32:14
They deserve to be compensated. 01:32:23
Just like any other employee does and again we're acting, we're, we're acting as if. 01:32:26
People in public safety aren't getting an increase. 01:32:33
People in public safety are getting an increase, a more significant increase, especially when you add in some of the mid year 01:32:35
raises that were done as well. Umm then then what they've gotten in years? 01:32:40
And so, yes, maybe we can't fix it all in one year. 01:32:46
But we're making headway and so I think for you to represent it in some, uh other fashion, umm, it's just inaccurate. And I think 01:32:50
we're putting up Smokescreen Councilman. No, I I don't think so. I do. I I I just, I've been listening to this. What 01:32:56
recommendations did you? 01:33:02
To find the money to give to them. 01:33:09
What cuts did you make? From what departments? Do you want an open meeting? Tell us what cuts did you make to what department? And 01:33:12
Councilman N, I'm asking you, you're the one that kept saying you keep complaining that you don't offer any solutions. I'm just 01:33:16
saying, what have you made? One recommendation for one. 01:33:21
Here's what missed me. 01:33:28
Maybe counseling aren't getting she's a freshman. 01:33:34
How much? How much time he has spent on I've been a lot. I did, I did. 01:33:37
Every year I spent. 01:33:43
Again, what recommendation have you made? My recommendation was to keep our employees to put the matrix instrument. 01:33:45
Didn't you agree with that? If we could find the money, where's the money? Well, how do you tell my counselor? Well, Minard has a 01:33:51
budget right under your budget. Guy's budget. Now switch. Appeal to communication to be around. She had a matrix underneath the 43 01:33:56
Five. She did, but other agencies call other departments calling us, saying that they couldn't operate on the budget that was 01:34:01
presented. 01:34:06
So I'm asking you, you keep saying that you wanna give the public safety people a raise? 01:34:11
So much, very fast you come up with it. 01:34:16
You're a council member, come up with. 01:34:19
But every year it's the same thing. He'll complain and never offers. 01:34:21
How are you leaving, Anthony? The first budget that I sent out, my operating expenses from the department was greater than 01:34:27
anything that you guys put up for three months for Polish. And when I did do it, the only reason I was able to do that is if I 01:34:33
moved the call center into the public safety, I moved it back. And another thing I'm really, I'm adamantly against is the council 01:34:38
does not need a raise. 01:34:44
And neither do the commissioners, our commissioners, our part time employees and they are making more than most of our full time 01:34:50
employees and I don't think that's right. 01:34:54
We are public servants and we don't need. 01:34:59
And that raises in in your budget for both departments, and I think that is wrong. 01:35:03
Matter fact, I think we probably should take a budget cut on what we. 01:35:08
We still have a ship made more than $1000 a month. That's why are we making so much. 01:35:12
You know, I'm just saying that we don't need a raise, we don't need an increase from what we're already making. 01:35:17
And the original budget that I have. 01:35:23
Their operating lines were a lot more generous than what they are now in the budget that you proposed. And so I kept a lot of 01:35:25
those operating lines the same from what your budget was. I actually took your budget and put the Matrix back in, and the only two 01:35:30
places that I made severe cuts and I already told you where those were. 01:35:35
With our insurance line item, which I'm not saying we're not gonna fund it. 01:35:41
We can still fund it with the surplus that we have in this county. And the other place was the 200,000 in the call center, because 01:35:45
that contract that needs to be worked on used public safety money too. Not anymore. I didn't. 01:35:51
If you look, I didn't even touch the public safety money. I did not touch the public safety money. I left your budget the way it 01:35:57
was. What? Would she send it out at 11:30 at night? What do you expect me to do? Wake up, I don't think. How many times did you 01:36:02
get today? How did you get out of bed? 01:36:06
I did not. I took it back out of public safety. I haven't talked to the public safety presence. You know, I I think that obviously 01:36:16
there's a lot of opinions and and there's going to be umm varying degrees of of uh thoughts and feelings and and umm about this, 01:36:22
but I don't really feel like. 01:36:28
The conversation right now is going anywhere productive. Umm. 01:36:34
If people wanna make it there, there's a motion in the second on the table. If people wanna make amendments to that, umm, if we 01:36:39
need to discuss with our, our legal counsel about our process or any of those things, I would encourage us to do that. But I think 01:36:43
that we can all. 01:36:48
Have varying degrees of disagreement but still be productive and respectful in our conversation. And we can still get a budget 01:36:53
passed tonight. Umm so that we don't revert back to the previous year's budget because that would be the most, uh, devastating 01:36:59
thing for our employees. Umm possible. And it would create a mess. Uh next year. Uh for us and for the auditor's office. So umm, I 01:37:06
mean everyone's had some time to voice their their concerns. Umm can we be productive and either make motions to amend have have 01:37:12
some some productive. 01:37:18
Questions. 01:37:25
And then decide what we're gonna do. 01:37:27
Has everybody done making comments? 01:37:29
Does anybody got what they say because I make a motion on him. 01:37:32
That we put the matrix back in MCC and the jail in A roll call book if I get a second. 01:37:36
I'll call both. I want the matrix vaccine. 01:37:43
I want the matrix back into. 01:37:46
And MCC decreed impact. What are you gonna cut out? 01:37:48
Well, that's what I'm saying. You guys want to do this from Councilman Gary just made a comment. Let's make effective. You're 01:37:52
gonna have to have another public meeting to advertise it to fix this thing. No, you you would need to make a motion to amend. If 01:37:57
you wanna do an increase, you would need to do a decrease to complement that. Otherwise, our budget will be, uh, in the red and it 01:38:02
won't pass. Well, OK, through Indianapolis. I'll withdraw that and I'll make a motion to pass Councilwoman large budget because 01:38:07
it's under. 01:38:12
It's not. 01:38:18
43.5 Exactly what the other one is. The only thing to do is follow the injunction. I'll get myself and you go back. 01:38:21
I'm fine guys, but we'll call vote. We vote. 01:38:28
Yeah, President. So if I could recap where we are legally in the procedure, Umm, as I was mentioning before, you had your budget 01:38:31
meetings, that UH budget was introduced up until that point. Any changes that were made? 01:38:38
We're completely permissible. 01:38:45
Umm, But last month we introduced a budget ordinance. 01:38:47
Uh, just like any other ordinance, if that ordinance is amended, it has to be done in public hearings. 01:38:51
So to the extent that what I'm hearing is that there have been suggested changes, umm, to the ordinance, those are not official 01:38:55
and they are not part of the UH proposed budget right now. The proposed budget currently as it sits at all, was what was 01:39:01
introduced at the last meeting. 01:39:06
It's not. It is what's under the law. It's what was introduced at the last meeting. If there are council members that want to make 01:39:12
changes to that proposed budget, and it sounds as though, uh, at least two council members have distributed changes of what they 01:39:18
think those budgets should be like. That would have to be done at this public meeting. This is a public meeting. It can be done 01:39:24
now. Like any other ordinance. It can be amended on second reading. 01:39:29
So that can be amended to either UH President Steele's budget, proposed budget or Counselor Marks proposed budget or any other 01:39:35
proposed budget. 01:39:40
In order. 01:39:45
Increase any line. 01:39:47
The statute requires that there's a 3/4 majority to increase any line item. 01:39:49
From the introduced. 01:39:55
So through force majority doesn't mean through force because you have 7 and by law and actually round up. So you need umm. 01:39:56
65. 01:40:03
I'll get a calculator. I'm a lawyer. Yeah, point. Yeah, 5.5. So you need 5 uh votes in the affirmative to increase any line item. 01:40:08
We can decrease line items with just a simple majority. So, uh, you have an introduced budget, which was what? 01:40:16
I was interviewed last. 01:40:24
There have been other budgets that have been distributed. Those are not official budgets until uh, the introduced budget. 01:40:26
UH proposed to be amended and that's second in and gets a majority. 01:40:34
That's where you are under the law right now. Uh. So if you were to pass the budget as is right now, it would be what was 01:40:38
introduced. 01:40:42
Mr. Kofsky, would you? 01:40:46
Define mainstream meetings. The several admitted meetings with the auditor sure didn't make comments. Cereal meetings is within 01:40:49
three or more of the council members meeting. And then there's a second meeting with another separate person. 01:40:56
And that. 01:41:04
That didn't happen. 01:41:05
What are you saying? They said they've been made several times. I have. I'm not a part of meeting, but I'm not the public taxes 01:41:07
counselor. I'm just told it's a large Mr. Klaus to you. The the the point of that if I understand right correct me if I'm wrong is 01:41:10
if. 01:41:14
Since we're A7 member board, I have three members in the council wouldn't have a meeting. 01:41:18
And come up with something and then go another, uh, part of that group. Not that whole group, but a part of that group would be 01:41:22
only with another member, which then it would be. 01:41:27
Four members in uh, the council in that discussion. You would have a majority of the council in that discussion, even though the 01:41:33
two meetings took place in separate times, separations, whatever. So it it's it's to prevent the UMM. 01:41:39
A. A council having a majority working on something and then coming and showing us both on something that they already knew the 01:41:47
the umm, the outcome or or already have the plan. 01:41:53
That's not what happened here, that's correct. 01:41:59
Umm, so I could make amendment? 01:42:02
Remain members of the council met. Three members of the council can meet. That's not the majority of the council. The form is more 01:42:06
than three would be if you met before. That's a quorum, right? Councilman Gill right. I mean, you met with four, met with three. 01:42:13
If you read the four, that's 1/4 of the council. No, that's how the loan he said he worked on this. I called. I called and gave my 01:42:20
suggestions name suggestions I had with the auditor. 01:42:28
You have to ask. 01:42:35
With all due respect, I didn't get any. 01:43:07
Communication for many council members while I got checked with the auditor. The council is making the decision on the budget, I 01:43:09
think you know emails from. 01:43:13
I mean, I didn't receive any emails, I received your budget, what you guys supposedly worked on. 01:43:18
Noon to Friday and then her last night at midnight. 01:43:25
Presence field so this this. 01:43:30
Process is very similar to the process that's happened the last few years. Umm, the attorneys was advising us during that time. 01:43:33
Umm had no issues with it. Umm, it's also very similar to UMM to what a lot of other municipalities. I'm sure there are examples 01:43:40
of people that do it very differently, but there are a lot of other municipalities, Umm, county, cities, UMM, what have you that 01:43:47
do it in a very similar fashion. Umm. And so again it's, it's been vetted. Umm. 01:43:55
By R20 before now what we're hearing tonight and and I'm always a fan for going with the advice of our council. 01:44:04
Is that any of those changes that were made? 01:44:09
It sounds like we have to amend. 01:44:14
Budget resolution to include those. So what was presented last month? 01:44:17
Umm in my view doesn't remedy a lot of the umm pay issues. Umm. And and there were some other questions that I don't remember 01:44:24
every everything that had changed. So it was above the 4.3. Yeah, it was above the 4.35 so it wouldn't be a balance budget. 01:44:32
Anyway, we couldn't couldn't get that approved, uh by the state. So I guess again trying to be productive here, we need to figure 01:44:40
out a way, you know do we have any any way or or can our council advise us on umm how do we. 01:44:48
Efficiently attempt to, uh, remedy this, umm, so that we are not voting on something that was written a month ago that is not even 01:44:58
a balanced budget. 01:45:04
So you said that everything that was increased? 01:45:11
In the budget that was originally proposed, would have to be discussed. 01:45:14
But not if it was decreased. 01:45:20
If you increase any line item that has to pass by a 3/4 majority. 01:45:23
It's an increase in the amount if any line, any individual line item is increased from the UH introduced the proposed budget. Then 01:45:29
you'd have to pass it by UH 3/4 of. 01:45:36
If say Todd, give me a line item. 01:45:45
631 of the corners. That's a that's a hot department, so 631 in the corners made made-up. If that goes up, then the total budget 01:45:50
has to be approved by 3/4 of the council. It can go down. 01:45:57
You can decrease the budget across the board. UH, the budget process is less concerned about spending less money than it is about 01:46:05
spending more money. We wanna have extra UH safeguards in place when you're spending taxpayer dollars, so it takes a 3/4 vote. 01:46:11
To increase any line items in the proposed umm, So moving forward, I don't know which way the couch wants to go and I won't 01:46:18
presume uh but it sounds like you've had UH Counselor Norwich UH proposed budget and you have Counselor Steele's proposed budget. 01:46:25
Uh a motion could be made by reference to those emails that you've all received. Umm to amend to either one of those, or if 01:46:32
there's another third tertiary third uh proposed budget, you can. 01:46:38
Go through that, That'd be a more onerous process. You'd have to detail out where the lines were increased or decreased. 01:46:45
So then if I were to make a motion. 01:46:52
Just to get the ball rolling. 01:46:57
Umm to amend the Budget Ordinance to. 01:46:59
Proposed budget of Councilman Steele that he's presented tonight. 01:47:04
And there was. 01:47:09
Then it would just need 5 votes to. 01:47:10
Uh, it would be to to amend that. 01:47:13
I'm sorry, I I I haven't seen the changes. There would have been some line items I'm sure that that have actually increased in his 01:47:15
budget, umm from what was previous, so that would take five months, OK. So I mean a lot of the salaries increased. So wouldn't 01:47:21
that be every salary that went up well? 01:47:27
This is the budget. And of course the budget decided to yeah, no, uh, salaries. To formulate your budget, you have a salary 01:47:34
ordinance on the agenda. So setting salaries is actually separate. But of course you want to know salaries, yeah? 01:47:40
And and and so again, we're in a situation now of you. 01:47:47
Learning a a a slightly different expectation from from our legal counsel here tonight. 01:47:52
Umm. 01:47:59
So again, I I I don't think we're ever going to get to the point where we're all going to agree and and beyond the complete same 01:48:01
page with this, but if we aren't able to pass the budget. 01:48:06
It reversed back to. 01:48:12
The 23 budget, which would be devastating. 01:48:14
And and. 01:48:17
Yes, but we also have the time it takes to advertise, UH, you got enough time to advertise a budget. UH, Again, it's not just the 01:48:19
10 days because UH, I believe the author's office typically has to submit what sort of UH media and all that, what is 1215 days? 01:48:27
So 10 days, two days before the next meeting. 01:48:35
So we can do it, OK. Mm-hmm. So I mean, that's an option too, but umm. 01:48:38
But then, you know, having another meeting doesn't always solve the problem. I mean, if we have another meeting and we're at the 01:48:45
same impact or what I would assume is going to be an impact, umm relating 4 votes then. 01:48:50
If, if we were. 01:48:58
Do a public notice for another meeting. 01:49:00
Would that count as the second reading of Councilman Steele's budget, or would we still be dealing with the same budget that was 01:49:03
proposed last month at the second meeting or at this additional meeting? 01:49:09
I I don't know that you can advertise another budget. I think you would just suspend this meeting and umm and then you'd have 01:49:16
another hearing on the same. So we would have the same complication then that we're having now, I guess correct. So, so just 01:49:20
having another meeting. 01:49:25
May. 01:49:30
Remedy anything. We may have the exact same process that we could go through tonight at the next meeting. Umm. 01:49:31
You know, uh, again, I'm trying to figure out a productive way for us to move forward, umm, and and through each department. At 01:49:40
least have a look at each department and what you guys are proposing and maybe what we think should change. 01:49:45
You know, again, I I'd rather I'm with you. I'd rather take the time to go through that if that's what it takes tonight, as 01:50:27
opposed to just delaying this and having the same issue. Umm. 01:50:31
1215 days from now. So I mean and Councilman Gill, I agree. I'm not saying over I don't like. I mean I looked at that budget. I 01:50:37
didn't without toy against it. But I just want a prior Tory. But I don't want to lose no more people. 01:50:43
And I'm hearing what the record shows. So I just wanna discuss with everybody among us, because we're all elected to this council. 01:50:49
And that's the only thing I'm saying. I I'm not saying you guys did so everything wrong. Yeah, I just wanna be very careful right 01:50:54
now to make sure that, umm. 01:50:59
Whatever we do is is productive and it complies with what our Council thinks. So if if we were to. 01:51:04
A Again using the if I were to make a motion to UH A, amend the budget proposal to. 01:51:12
Health. 01:51:19
Budget that he's presented tonight. 01:51:21
Umm, that would not and and and let's say that passed with five votes that would not necessarily. 01:51:24
Approve the budget. That would just amend the ordinance, correct? Correct. OK, then we could go through. 01:51:30
Look at that or I guess if we made any changes, we looked through it, then we would still have to make another motion. So, you 01:51:36
know, trying to figure out the best, best way of getting this done. Do we just put his budget up there and go through it now and 01:51:42
then whatever we come up with at that point, then we can amend the ordinance. 01:51:47
Does that seem like the most reasonable approach? 01:51:53
You have one single eye on this entire budget that should increase that. There is not a five vote on that. 01:51:58
Five quarter, so we have now the matter. 01:52:10
I I really believe that you guys are in violation of the umbrella law because the separation is you presented a budget a month ago 01:52:17
tonight you wanna pass another budget? 01:52:21
No, no questions. Have you explained where those cuts are and who voted on? 01:52:27
I think that's a clear violation of we we didn't. We we have voted every year by the way city and County Council sit in a room and 01:52:32
go line by line with the public therapy and make adjustments you're doing tonight. 01:52:39
You know, that's how much money increases are. So I'm I'm kind of with uh. 01:52:51
Mikhail Vaughn, I'm probably gonna file a complaint with the public action account and I will invert it and revert it back. It 01:52:58
will. 01:53:02
And I'm trying to work with you, I don't wanna do it. 01:53:07
But attorneys do get it wrong. This one opinion came from the state attorney General, Todd Kate. I spoke to him myself. We're 01:53:11
following what we had for the last two years. Nothing different. You know, it was wrong there. It may be, it may be more. We were, 01:53:17
we were following the advice of counsel. And now that our counsel is advising us differently or saying, OK, let's do this 01:53:23
differently, let's do this the way that our legal counsel is advising. Umm, well, so, yeah, if we need to put that up here and go 01:53:29
line by line. 01:53:35
Let's do it. 01:53:42
I mean, I I mean, I ask that your accounts might go, but every attorney don't get everything right either. 01:53:44
That's why sometimes I win case and lose cases. I'm just gonna buy a majority of people. I've called around the state and said you 01:53:50
gotta do this. 01:53:53
I don't know. 01:53:57
I'm not maternal. I just push. 01:53:58
So I'm gonna make a motion that we put the budget up there and we work through it tonight. 01:54:06
You're gonna have to publicize. So you're saying, Mr. Kloski, if we move this to another meeting? 01:54:10
The other don't have to publicize. We can just move this and move this to another meeting or not, and we have to publicize the 01:54:17
next meeting. 01:54:20
Everything to be in public. You've already published the the budget and we've gone through the gateway process and put that out 01:54:25
there. You're in, you're in your normal legislative process. Now you have an ordinance that was introduced on first reading. To 01:54:31
change that ordinance, you have to take official action in a public meeting. So that needs to be amended in a public meeting, 01:54:37
which is what you have the opportunity to do here tonight. If you don't take action on it now, you can. 01:54:43
Hold that meeting over. 01:54:50
Alright, I'm sorry, go ahead. I just think that we need to do it. Let's just bite the bullet. Let's get it up there. Let's let's 01:55:24
hash it out, guys. Let's work through these budgets and see what we can make. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. 01:55:29
On that opposed negotiating on some of these things. 01:55:35
This is something I feel very strongly about that I think that we need to change and and because the because the because the 01:55:38
budget that was. 01:55:42
Proposed an advertised last month. 01:55:46
Over budget. 01:55:50
We would have had to have gone through this process tonight anyway. 01:55:51
So again, I I'm with council in North, Let's just get it up on the screen. 01:55:54
Go through it and people can speak to any issues they have. 01:55:58
It has to do with you guys keep arguing. 01:56:05
I work for in Triple C I'm a kitchen supervisor. I've been there for 16 years. 01:56:10
I make $2.00 more an hour. 01:56:17
Than when I started. 01:56:21
So that is less than 1%. 01:56:23
Per year, right? 01:56:29
And I went several years without a rate. 01:56:31
You say it takes more than a year to fix that. 01:56:35
It's been 16. 01:56:39
Maybe that will help you decide what you need to do. 01:56:43
Trying to get a motion that we just a bunch of that from the strain and we hashed it out. 01:56:50
Roll call vote. 01:56:55
So we don't, we don't have this, we're gonna. 01:56:57
Take a 5 out how much? How much time you need to get that over here. 01:57:01
If you have a question, no, I said. Can I e-mail it? And I have my computer here? 01:57:07
Just so, how much time do you need? 01:57:19
10 minutes, 10 minute recess. 01:57:21
Good. 01:57:24
I'm not really finished voting. 01:57:29
I don't think. 01:57:32
Yes. 01:57:55
5552857. 01:58:52
Yep. 01:59:06
I know, I know. 01:59:45
I hope I have enough time to run outside. 02:00:54
I'm feeling fine. 02:01:50
All right. 02:02:44
Would've been easier. 02:02:47
So, umm. 02:03:14
Remember. 02:04:12
Right, so this is what the number is based on. 02:04:51
Mm-hmm. 02:05:03
I apologize, I I misspoke. 02:05:04
How much your money? When did they ask for new money? The sheriff? 02:05:10
I. 02:05:14
New money or transfer? 02:05:21
Yeah. 02:05:36
Yeah. 02:05:38
So that's why. 02:05:38
We're talking about. 02:05:42
Yeah. 02:06:13
This is what I was going to do. This is what this is what I. 02:06:50
And this is what I was saying. 02:06:57
I know he said that he had pushed that unknown salary. 02:08:48
Are you? 02:08:52
I don't know who says that I've already. 02:08:54
Hi, Hi. How are you? 02:09:25
Well, I have that on my computer because several of the licenses, a couple of supplements. 02:09:35
And other and and and. None of that is taken into consideration and I think that's wrong. 02:09:41
They were at 18 and brought him up to 20. 02:10:11
Well, I told you, you're a customer. 02:10:18
I told you that the insurance Well, yeah, absolutely. 02:10:21
We can. 02:10:27
From 18 to 26 I can tell you this. 02:10:48
Right. So just to be clear, the budget that is up here is your proposal and now what we advertise? 02:11:04
Correct. And so you're presenting your proposal now. 02:11:10
And what he did, Rick, what was advertised and we have always advertised right there is what was advertised. That's 45. 02:11:14
The 43 five is the numbers that, uh, Mr. Steele has supported. OK, so that's not our original council members, but it's. But what 02:11:23
was advertised was the requested budget. Yeah, yeah. OK, alright, thank you. 02:11:29
No. 02:11:37
So the fact. 02:11:39
I don't know. 02:11:42
I don't understand why the requested budget doesn't match what's on the seat I've got. Are you in the jail or are you on the? 02:11:53
Jail. That was in jail. 02:12:00
Well, I printed off. What? 02:12:06
Oh no, I'm sorry, I'm looking at the wrong thing. 02:12:08
I'm sorry, hang on a minute. 02:12:12
So Todd, on on the jail budget? Could you Scroll down so we can see the bottom numbers? 02:12:17
So. 02:12:29
In 23. 02:12:32
The total budget was. 02:12:35
3.79 million. 02:12:37
That's what the council passed. 02:12:39
The 24 budget request was 4.263. 02:12:41
The current council. 02:12:46
Is. 02:12:48
592 it's 350,000 came out of the food so that so that's money still being spent. 02:12:50
For the jail, just out of the different funds, so 3.9, yeah, 3.9. 02:12:58
Here's what I was talking about. 02:13:06
That's the number that was prior to coming in that was sent. Mm-hmm. 02:13:08
Thanks. 02:13:26
So do you want me to give you the numbers for the matrix? 02:13:36
I'm sorry, So do you want me to give you the number for the? 02:13:41
Yes, I just wasn't talking to you. I didn't worry. 02:13:44
This doesn't match my. That's because. 02:13:48
That's because that's before the that's the budget works, yeah. But a three-year average and the 2023 total budget should match. 02:13:51
And it doesn't. It's not all on there. The 23 is, the rest of it's not on there, some of those. 02:13:59
It's not all on like. 02:14:04
So I'm not taking it. I mean it was some of the funds that were that's just the 23 budget match some of. 02:14:07
Which which number specifically are you using? I mean, I'm looking, I'm like, this is jail. Mm-hmm. OK, so I'm looking at Cook 3. 02:14:16
2023 Total budget 33,295. 02:14:24
Yeah. So that probably happened mid year ratings on it. So this would be a more accurate number than than what I was given in 02:14:31
August. 02:14:35
Well, yeah, it has to select it. It was probably right after. OK, so the other departments should match. Yeah, because in August 02:14:38
many in in the jail got this many raises. OK, so those are not reflected. 02:14:44
Those ones were reflected in August because it was just passed in August because we had two pages of raising for the sale that we 02:14:51
passed and they got an additional in this budget 5% on top of the mid year raises that they got. So some people would have 02:14:57
received like a 10 to 15% raise from what they had in the 23 budget. 02:15:03
I don't know that it's that much, but yeah. 02:15:12
One of the things I want to discuss with this council is the jail commander. We had had some conversation about putting them on 02:15:17
salary so that there's no more overtime. Umm, I had talked with the Sheriff's Department about where her overtime was going to 02:15:23
fall this year and it was actually a little over $100,000 a year. Umm with her overtime if we did that. 02:15:29
It would lock that in and it wouldn't it would have Hopefully we could, we would should be able to save money over time at that 02:15:36
point. That makes sense and reduce that line item. 02:15:40
So if that were the case, then the 24 requested budget. 02:15:45
$285,000 for overtime, the 23 total budget was 270, so there's roughly a $15,000 increase there. So are you suggesting that if we 02:15:50
part of that raised and that 285 goes down, Mr. Deal, I think part of that was because of the elevated showers? 02:15:58
Right, 20%. So there may be fewer overtime hours in order, but on our side that's still significant in our money that we have to. 02:16:07
So it's not a cost savings from a budget standpoint. 02:16:14
Even though it may create some some more attention. 02:16:21
But I don't. It's up to you guys as a whole what we wanna do with that if you just wanna keep her and and and umm, I'd have to get 02:16:25
some new numbers for her for the matrix, because I don't know what her longevity is on that one. I believe with her overtime. 02:16:32
She's counted in that. It's close right at that, yeah. 02:16:40
I believe. 02:16:45
And Kim? 02:16:47
During the budget hearings. 02:16:49
To UH, leave that at 100,000. 02:16:52
Well, I'm just saying that's something we can look at if you wanna change that, but that's what I have. It is at 100. 02:16:56
Umm, up at the top of the. 02:17:02
So I can give you the numbers that originally, umm, the Sheriff's Department gave me for the matrix. If you want me to do that, 02:17:05
that's where you wanna start. Uh, I believe those would be in the 24 requested budget should be. Yeah, 24 in question. Is that 02:17:11
right, Kim? Is that right? Is that the matrix? You. You. Uh. 02:17:17
That's I've got a question about the $22.00 an hour, right? 02:17:25
I've got a question. 02:17:32
Sure. And since we're looking at your proposal, should we talk about? 02:17:35
What you increased or decreased from the request? 02:17:40
And UH, meeting with the sheriff and and UH budget. 02:17:47
Office staff Umm Kim. 02:17:51
Knowing that, the raises, uh, come in. 02:17:56
We the the Matrix. She wanted to or they wanted 10% as opposed to 10. We proposed 5. 02:18:00
I think the difference would be reflected. 02:18:08
I mean just two to $3000 roughly per person. 02:18:12
Were you not putting them up to 21? 02:18:21
Uh, we just went to 5%. We didn't just just because of the mid year raises of 10% and then another 5%, a total of 15%. 02:18:24
More than 15. 02:18:35
You can't have the percentage on it. 02:18:38
I I realize that. 02:18:41
So, so again, it's just trying to be, uh, pushing for productivity. 02:18:50
We're looking at the scale numbers. Do we want to, I'm sorry, do we want to look at what would happen if if we did raise the 24 02:18:56
council numbers columns to? 02:19:03
Be requested? Is that the intent then, that some people on the council would like to see and see what happens to the overall 02:19:11
budget? I'd like to see them put back into the matrix, which is not the requested numbers because the requested numbers didn't 02:19:15
include the longevity. 02:19:20
The matrix numbers are are gonna include the longevity and these are the numbers that she had originally given me when putting 02:19:25
them into the matrix. 02:19:29
Which was $22.00 an hour. That was the starting payment. 02:19:33
Wasn't it the uh when you when you do your matrix once you put in there with the starting pay list? 02:19:38
So the but if I submit it brought a new person up starting at $22.00 an hour that what I submitted was their longevity included 02:19:44
which is the matrix. 02:19:49
Umm, so when you say some got a 5 or some got more than a 5, that's because their longevity, years of service was added into that. 02:19:55
So that's why your numbers look different on different lines. 02:20:01
So Todd, if you Scroll down to longevity on the jail, so here's the longevity, uh. 02:20:07
Looking at the requested budget then. 02:20:15
2375 for longevity which is down significantly because you haven't had it in. But then wouldn't that mean that the numbers in the 02:20:18
24 requested budget would have been what you requested for the aren't they for the most for 10% matrix yes yes it is. So that's 02:20:25
what and the longevity what it is is if you're gonna if it was gonna move the jail commander and assistant jail commander into 02:20:32
salary positions that's their longevity. That would be paid out because that would not be included in their salary. That's the 02:20:38
only two right That's the the 2375. 02:20:45
24 requested budget on the pay lines for the jail are in fact the matrix numbers. 02:20:53
And we just need to see what the fact that has on the overall budget to see what if we did that what we would have to cut in other 02:20:59
areas. Do you have your matrix numbers with you? 02:21:04
Just say they were right. Well, I can't see what that says, but I can. Well, let's just take the first one. Umm. 02:21:13
Umm, the first officer? Uh, it shows 47544. Oh, that is right. Yes, that is correct. Never mind I'm wrong. That is correct. 02:21:20
Yeah, so they'll request the budget. 02:21:30
There is a couple lines that I can reduce in those where we've had staff they've had two or three years on. It's not a lot of 02:21:35
money, but I can reduce a couple of them down to a 0. 02:21:40
Year, if you're wanting to look at that, it's I think. 02:21:46
$11125.00 but I mean if. 02:21:50
Trying to say pennies, then I can give you that information. So Todd, could you copy the? 02:21:54
Dollar amount and the council members for all of the pay positions for the channel and then paste those somewhere where we can 02:22:01
revert back to them if we need to do or I guess you could just. 02:22:07
Go back and hit the back arrow when we decide to do that. But yeah, just a copy of those and those numbers. 02:22:13
Well, it it, it. I think he's getting to the same thing. It's just where do you want to pay some, Rob? Well, right. If we have to 02:22:22
come back to it, can you do it in the right where There's not a problem right now. 02:22:27
Not the requested budget, the Council numbers. 02:22:32
Uh, you know, so, so he's, he's suggesting that to preserve the council members in case we want to go back to those, that you copy 02:22:36
them and then paste them somewhere, OK yeah. 02:22:42
I haven't penetrated, so I'm talking to California. The telephone numbers, uh, not the requested numbers. 02:22:51
And the correct, correct and then for the council members all the way to the right. 02:23:00
And go ahead and go down to overtime. 02:23:09
Because that's part of overtime and longevity should be should be compatible as well. 02:23:14
Yes. 02:23:29
You gotta do a paste. Umm paste value. 02:23:45
There you go. 02:23:54
Then you want to move the other ones over. 02:23:57
Requested budgets with those same tail lines over to the council members. 02:24:01
Can we go ahead and reduce down the lines that she told me earlier today that would be lower. Yeah, let's do that. 02:24:26
So line UMM 13403, Officer 15. 02:24:33
Should be UH 46180. 02:24:37
UMM Officer 35 which is 14410. 02:24:45
Should be 46180. 02:24:49
Officer 27 should be 46180. 02:24:54
You get it? I'm sorry. I wasn't watching. Yes. And then cook. Three should be. 02:25:07
40,438. 02:25:12
And then umm. 02:25:17
They have agreed to reduce their UH overtime to UH-280. 02:25:19
To pick up 5000, sorry. 02:25:25
And then, umm, the testing and schooling is gonna come down to 850. 02:25:29
Utility services are gonna come around to 280. 02:25:37
Two 82180. 02:25:42
So what do you have? A total amount. OK, so then to make that work we would have to find a place to cut $257,801.00. So I have a 02:25:49
balance question. What are you looking uh? 02:25:54
What is the most we can cut the insurance? 02:26:09
We're, we're. I talked with UH or you talked with John. 02:26:11
The insurance, Rick, Rick, uh, he's not here but explained that if we take money out of the insurance, then that affects the rate 02:26:16
that the employees pay. So we could take money out of there, but then that means they're gonna pay more. It's it's negative and we 02:26:22
want to keep consideration that we reduced our workload. I'm just pretty much, I mean it's it's a bulk that's we're self insured. 02:26:28
Umm. 02:26:34
It really doesn't, I mean. 02:26:42
You configure 750 employees, I don't know how many the take rate, umm, you know if it's 25,000 per person, but we don't get a one 02:26:43
for one reduction always because of administration or some fixed cost. And then there's uh. 02:26:50
Umm, self insurance portion of it, But you said we can lower it 200, he said. A hundred $100,000 to 50, that's what I put in 02:26:58
there, 5.3. 02:27:02
I didn't if I did that. 02:27:08
B. 02:27:12
So yeah, so this 43,000,000, seven, 57801 reflects that there's already been the reduction that the commissioners first week we 02:27:16
could make in the health fund. So we would have to find somewhere else. 02:27:22
UH spent $4 million below. 02:27:28
Well, I think we need to take off the raises. Umm, I know it's not 4 of $1,000,000, but the races on the council and the races on 02:27:37
the commissioners. 02:27:40
That's fine. Go ahead. 02:27:45
What? 02:27:51
You already I I didn't hear you. No raises for counsel. No raises. I agree with that. 02:27:52
Uh. 02:28:19
Right and then. 02:28:20
Sounds. 02:28:44
Do we on that, OK. One of the other places that UMM, I made some reductions, UMM and I understand that support would like 02:28:47
everything that they asked for. And I do appreciate the fact that they did make a lot of concessions, UMM, but they still would 02:28:52
have increased their budget because a lot of those concessions were moved over to other departments like UMM 100,000 was moved 02:28:58
over to UMM, the UMM. 02:29:04
Public defender. 02:29:13
And then they also moved the floor, yeah, that that was the buying budget I think is. 02:29:15
Judge Hoffer, Chief Judge. 02:29:20
If you wanna speak to any I I thought you were one of the better prepared departments is actually a great strides over years past 02:29:22
having each individual becoming umm. 02:29:29
Uh, together and I think your total. 02:29:37
Uh. 02:29:41
All all departments combined were 6.2%, was it 5.6? Thank you. And you know having a budget increase of 5%, I think that's well in 02:29:42
line the courts. 02:29:49
Umm, is there anything judge that you can think of in that combined 20 or $30,000 that you could contribute? 02:29:56
I know. 02:30:06
Yeah, hi. 02:30:24
I we left that all of those departments untouched, unscathed, I think. Uh. 02:30:26
And in fact, UH, mostly because you came within the UMM increase, 5% increase for the year. 02:30:32
Well, and and I appreciate that and I appreciate what they'd like to get up to. I have reduced it a little bit. Umm, so instead of 02:30:41
making 51971 for the main court report, it was 49. And for the other court reporters instead of 45617, it was 44,000. 02:30:49
Which is still a substantial increase from where? 02:30:58
It those were are some of the positions we've been hearing for a couple of years that umm they're just having a really hard time 02:31:02
getting people to fill those positions and pay those positions and with the turnover and and the UMM proficiency that those those 02:31:07
individuals need to have Umm. 02:31:12
You know, a again, now we're at a point and this is again the the difficulty of this budget. There are certain large departments, 02:31:19
umm, you know, there's a lot of employees who give a small raise to a lot of employees in that department and now we're 1/4 of 02:31:24
$1,000,000 off. 02:31:29
So you know if we. 02:31:34
A small handful of people. 02:31:37
1500, two $1000, something like that. We're still so far away from the number and so I guess, you know, my suggestion would be. 02:31:40
Is there any ideas from anyone on the council for some? 02:31:48
Bigger items, you know is, is there someone that has an idea of or 50,000 or 100,000 to come from umm. 02:31:52
OK. 02:32:05
Mean any anything else and I'm I'm not and there were some I think it's the ones if you wanna go into the sheriff's budget, 02:32:06
please. 02:32:09
So we're on the shares closet now. Is that where you're turning to? 02:32:19
So umm the 1500 line which is the part time line? 02:32:34
Umm. I guess we probably should. Umm. 02:32:41
You probably should copy and paste from there. 02:32:45
Todd and send it over to the right. 02:32:49
Does that make sense? I could do with the. 02:32:51
OK. So the per timeline, umm. 02:33:10
Hang on a second. 02:33:16
Remember the 160 council members, So that may be something. 02:33:22
Sure, if you want any put in there. So I reduced it to 160, but I start with a $5000 decrease, so I'm not sure why that shows 02:33:27
that. 02:33:32
Umm, the next line that we prescribed in, oh, that's 160 even side, yes. 02:33:38
And then the deeper stripes, it is down to six uh 1200. I don't understand why these numbers. 02:33:48
1200 or 12,000, I don't understand. 02:33:55
Where is your budget? 02:33:59
So we're working on broad budget. I know that, I know that. That's why I'm confused. 02:34:04
Hang on a second. 02:34:09
I have a question. 02:34:18
How much? 02:34:20
I don't know if you can do this real quick or share for Kim or somebody. 02:34:22
To. 02:34:26
$22.00 an hour. 02:34:27
Is there any positions? 02:34:29
Or you're sure how many jail staff right now? 02:34:32
How many? Four then Four part time? 4 uh part time I believe is filled up is full, but we're down 4 full time, 4 full time. So if 02:34:37
we took part time money. 02:34:42
Was able to get them up to 22 to be competitive around accountings and the state. Can you do that? 02:34:48
If we got them up to 20 to be competitive around us. 02:34:55
And we cut that and able to give us huh? ******* GL staff. 02:34:58
Well, I'm telling take this from their part time, money and build. 02:35:04
Tell me a sheriff budget or are you back on the jail? Well, I guess. 02:35:08
They can find anywhere between the gel and shares to the park. That's fine. 02:35:13
Jody, I have the numbers. I think what it was is I was looking at what I originally had in your budget when we were originally 02:35:18
when I was originally working on it and that's where I was getting that number from. So yeah, I have umm, some lines that uh with 02:35:24
reduced down. Go ahead. OK, so umm 11616. 02:35:30
Yeah. 02:35:38
Time. 02:35:46
1161611616. 02:35:49
53625. 02:35:57
Change your name. 02:36:02
Umm what? 02:36:06
It does. 02:36:11
OK. 02:36:13
That's because those were in the matrix originally and then they got taken out, I think. 02:36:14
You have them in the nature you got her, but this is in the matrix, the one matrix in the top number and the matrix. 02:36:19
But with longevity, yeah, yeah. And then that's what those those. So the net is the same, correct. With or without longevity, I 02:36:26
mean, so that's 53625 would be with longevity included, but it's lowering it, lowering the top number of the matrix. 02:36:34
So the three white ones take longevity out below. If we increase one, I'm talking to, the net effect is the same. We're not saving 02:36:44
a dollar, I mean. 02:36:48
So I think what he's asking of him is that if we leave that celery in. 02:36:56
Umm, and add your longevity. Would it be the same as what we show in our? But it wouldn't be 51, it'd be 53 right? It would be 02:37:01
53625. No, it's reduced. The matrix was started at. 02:37:06
Umm, I forget little 50. 02:37:12
65. 02:37:18
That's reducing it down to 50. 02:37:19
And go into the. 02:37:22
OK. 02:37:24
So if you can just copy and paste that to the right place, pad at 51198. 02:37:26
And then umm change that to 53625. 02:37:39
And then also the chief deputy and the administrative deputy, we changed those to salary, correct? Yes. 02:37:47
Just now from the right. 02:37:55
Oh yeah, can you just copy and paste it to the right though? That's the hell. Give me the numbers I got. 02:38:00
No, that's not right. That's not, that's too much. It's 100,000. Yeah. Yeah. And then the other one is, umm. 02:38:08
7078 three 99. 02:38:15
So what you had in there before to go to the right is umm Umm. 02:38:18
On the right is 81723. 02:38:25
And UH 78399. 02:38:29
Yeah, that's that's what was. 02:38:34
That's awesome. 02:38:38
OK. 02:38:41
Uh. 02:38:45
So down on, umm, the 1500 line was there? 02:38:48
OK. That's right. And then the next one should be 12,000, that's correct. And then the longevity goes down to 100 and 1875 02:38:59
dollars. 02:39:04
OK. And then umm. 02:39:16
Can you go down to the investigation? 02:39:20
16603. 02:39:24
OK. That's right. And then the next one. 02:39:27
Stays at 12. 02:39:30
What's the next one? That one's got to be 8000 because that's jail training and it's it's not for an officer, you know, up to the 02:39:33
jail where there's nothing supposed to be 8000. 02:39:37
On what, uh, overtime was on the 215. 02:39:46
215,000. 02:39:52
Umm, and then what's in the 2100? 02:40:00
That goes down to 10,919. 02:40:06
So that's the lowest September then how's that gonna? Because she's got another fund, right? For office supplies. You said that 02:40:11
you can buy a paper products out of for printing. 02:40:16
Right, right. 02:40:23
And then? 02:40:25
The 39 O 71. 02:40:29
Umm, that has to be 8663 because you said that the contract? 02:40:31
Right. Yeah, with the Anderson place. So they run the drug task force and we've got a contribution that's going up to 8386 02:40:36
hundred, yeah, 63 this year or next year. 02:40:42
What's going on? That looks like a that's not right. Let's see what are we? There is a couple other ones that I had reduced them 02:40:48
as well. What else was there? Just chemtrails if you go to. 02:40:54
Umm 14700. 02:41:02
That would be 42225. 02:41:06
42225. 02:41:13
Are we on live right now? 02:41:19
Yeah. 02:41:21
14702. 02:41:23
That would be 44850. 02:41:26
What number 14702? 02:41:32
And what was it, 44850? 02:41:35
That went up. That one should have went down. It went up from council members, but not. Yeah. Oh, OK. 02:41:40
Umm 14903. 02:41:48
Down to 46,000. 02:41:51
14904. 02:41:56
13,915. 02:41:58
1500 zero 160,000. 02:42:04
What? 02:42:09
Oh yeah, we did that one already. Sorry. I thought you said, umm, I know the rest. Umm, did we get 1400? I went through the other 02:42:13
ones that we talked about. 02:42:17
I think I got them all. 02:42:22
6400. 02:42:24
Just a no, it's very, very recent number. 02:42:28
That's $20,000 more than what I have. Which one? 02:42:34
Her. His bottom line is. 02:42:40
OK, I see where. 02:42:47
UH other services and charges. The 3900 line is 59. 02:42:49
Yes. 02:42:57
Umm other supplies was 90,000. 02:43:05
Umm operating supply is 240. 02:43:12
Please draw up so I can just do that. 02:43:19
Can you scroll up? 02:43:23
Whoa, whoa. I'm not a little bit electric. 02:43:26
OK, so I was there. 02:43:31
That's handsome. 02:43:33
Prescription 31 OK Umm SEPTA is 31520. 02:43:40
It's, uh, 6900 up a little bit and then it's right there, 6900. 02:43:47
16900. 02:43:55
It's 31520. 02:43:58
But. 02:44:01
Let me up a little bit, please. 02:44:08
OK, I I downloaded it, but oh, no, you're good. You're good. Sorry. 02:44:16
OK, I'm into all the questions. 02:44:26
The bottom line? 02:44:28
That's what I have there. 02:44:35
OK, so we need $227,415.00 of savings. We don't. So we make some progress. So basically what I did is, umm, on the elected 02:44:41
officials. 02:44:47
Umm, I did a 5% increase only with the some of them I have pushed up higher I think. 02:44:55
Umm. I think I read across the board 5% on elected officials. 02:45:02
You know some some of yours have more than, I mean I think there's a couple have more than five. 02:45:17
I think there was just one 115. I think it was Linda. 02:45:23
Had asked for that because of. 02:45:28
She had cut quite a bit out of her budget. 02:45:32
Question of the county assessors. 02:45:42
Of the county assessor. 02:45:45
Umm I had made an error on that one initially because I didn't see a raise. No it I got, I got it somehow got missed. If I had 02:45:50
just assumed that you guys had done it and then I didn't know when you guys had done your budget. Does it seem like you have done 02:45:56
raises 5% and for some reason that one must have got. I must have missed it. So umm I think it's supposed to be 65 one. What do 02:46:02
you have on here for county assessor, county assessment. 02:46:07
That was brought to my attention after I sent it out. 02:46:17
OK, that's fine. 02:46:37
I just know that I made some reductions in the first requested budget. 02:46:40
Umm, and some of those I had, I had come down a little bit on those also umm the court administrator position. Umm, that was a 02:46:44
huge jump. And so I think I put that at 70 or 75,000, which was still a huge increase from what is that right now. 02:46:51
Umm. 02:47:00
You're asking me where else? Well, you you said the Chinese assessor. It's fine, OK, It's fine. I'm there. 02:47:01
And go back to Quartz again. That's just where I made some of my cuts. Umm. On some of those positions it adds up. But there's a 02:47:12
lot of a lot of people there. Umm, that I had made some concessions on. Umm. 02:47:18
Also in the prosecutor's office, umm, there were several positions that were attorneys that were getting like $10,000 increases or 02:47:26
whatever. I didn't do that. I kept them at 5% because their incomes are large and I understand that they're, you know, we go to 02:47:32
school to be attorneys, but they also have French benefits by having insurance. 02:47:38
And uh, you know, what do you call it? Retirement that you don't get when you're a private sector's attorney. So that's why it's 02:47:45
not that I wouldn't like to see them get up there, but initially I had lowered that sense. 02:47:50
So that's some of the areas that are and then UMM, of course I lowered a call center by 200,000. 02:47:58
But I thought, that's what we're obligated to, to pay. No, that's what's. 02:48:05
It's not. There's gonna be $400,000 short, so we are currently at 1.1 something. I'd have to look at the numbers. Umm, he's gonna 02:48:10
be 400 short and nobody else is increasing, so he's just having us to pay that $400,000. Well, where where would it come from? 02:48:18
I mean it's it's we know it's gonna be an obligation. If it's something we know we're gonna have to pay on the end of the day, 02:48:28
it's like when do I mean they need to be responsible to get that contract done. 02:48:33
They need to work through that process. 02:48:38
You know, I I don't know. 02:48:41
Either that or we need to lower the public safety and go back to the drawing board and talk to Anderson and either fund the call 02:48:44
center at the top of the public. 02:48:48
And it'll be reduced down accordingly. Only people that we have to get approval from is is us and Anderson we have the majority 02:48:53
on. 02:48:56
Without raising taxes. 02:49:00
And what I'm afraid of is this got dropped 400,000 this year. This has been a working process. I mean, Council Reese, we're 02:49:02
hearing we don't even deal with it. 02:49:06
I mean, it's the commissioners who control it, but what I'm afraid. 02:49:11
If they decided to do whatever the city account, they don't pay. 02:49:15
And thinking ahead comps was still to with 400,000 that dropped in our life this year so. 02:49:20
I think we have discussed, and I think Commissioner Rich Wine was kind of favor this. We had discussion with him about taking off 02:49:27
the public safety repair that you know that way we don't need it because this has been going on for a while. 02:49:33
And I don't want next year to be 600,000. 02:49:39
I mean, at what point do we say enough to not I really funded them, I'm in favor of funding it. 02:49:42
But we have to work out this agreement between the other municipalities. 02:49:48
Is Jenny here? 02:49:52
She was. She was she. I thought the counter was ultimately, I mean, I I agree with you, but I think I thought the county was 02:49:54
obligated. 02:49:58
You know, I mean, everybody, everybody wants that agreement to get worked out. Well, I wish it was, uh, I think. 02:50:02
The concern is because we know it's not worked out yet, if we underfund that line and then we have to pay that anyway and we 02:50:11
aren't really passing a balanced budget if we know that there's nothing in place. 02:50:17
Umm, to make that up, you know? 02:50:24
Well, if we counsel Miguel, what if we just started and and made a vote on the and I don't we have to get the taxation unit or I I 02:50:27
understand that. But looking forward we're pretty close. I mean do we take it on the top of the county tax and fund it that way I 02:50:33
mean because we did a piece of tax. 02:50:39
It's not gonna, I mean it's not gonna so to make it fair because we can't make the towns and cities that it's under statutory I 02:50:47
think. I think the the process. 02:50:51
To do anything like that. 02:50:55
Takes a lot longer than what we have to be able to pass this budget and and so we would be starting 2024 with an underfunded. 02:50:58
Line and something that with no guarantee that it would. 02:51:07
Coming in into reality. So Jenny, do you to get through 24, do you need a total are you gonna? 02:51:11
So Councilwoman Arc suggested if we gave 200,000. 02:51:21
Can you get through 24200 thousand if you've got to have the whole 400,000? 02:51:25
400,000 for the for my appropriation for 2024. 02:51:30
Including the 5% increase for the employees, yes, I need the full, the full amount, umm we're under, we're going to the 02:51:35
negotiation regarding our dispatch fees with our towns and cities, UH with the Commissioner's Office. 02:51:42
There's different proposals that are on the table for, umm, the funding of. 02:51:50
I will make it through 2023 and I believe through. 02:51:56
I believe that's September of 2024 with my current budget, but I will. 02:52:00
I will fall short. However, that's if umm going off of the our towns and cities and the different entities that currently. 02:52:06
Contribute to our dispatch fees. Umm if those if those fees if they pay those fees for 2024. 02:52:14
I will be good umm. However with we do have some past due arrears that approximately a half $1,000,000 from different UH towns and 02:52:21
through throughout Madison County of our different entities and if those things are paid for 2023 and 2024 and then if they pay 02:52:30
the reoccurring fees for 2024, I will be UMM. 02:52:38
I'll make it through the end of the year until something else is. 02:52:47
Figured out. So if we as a council, if we appropriate let's just say half that 200,000. 02:52:52
And it's uh Jenny just said they're in negotiations. 02:52:58
I don't know if you're getting closer or not. I mean, I don't know. 02:53:02
But no matter what. 02:53:06
Uh, and and I know they're just staying very well from the council, I think Councilman Gill and and counseling. 02:53:08
Emery, I don't wanna put salaries. 02:53:15
No rainy day. That is a bad idea. 02:53:20
And I've been warned about that. 02:53:22
Many other times. Uh so. But if we appropri. 02:53:24
Money to get ginning. 02:53:28
So no matter what we have to fund, if we. 02:53:30
We have enough money to. 02:53:33
And then we can plan ahead in an extra 25 and next year. But it looks like they're getting somewhere, right, Jenny looks like 02:53:36
they're getting somewhere. So if we. 02:53:39
To at least 200. 02:53:44
And that would get you through you're comfortable to say? 02:53:46
Well, I'd also like to include Essential Dispatch operates on 2 funds. We have our Central dispatch fund and then also our 02:53:49
statewide 911 fund. Those are funds that we received from the states that are restricted. Umm, it includes 2 salaries, some of our 02:53:55
utility costs and machinery and equipment. 02:54:00
Umm, but it's very restrictive and monitored by the state. Our central dispatch fund. We do not receive any money umm out of the 02:54:06
general fund and only we operate. 02:54:11
On the funds or on the fees that are collected from the different entities that we provide services for, so we do not receive any 02:54:16
of the first time. 02:54:20
Well and still we don't re we're I didn't budget for this is just the money that we have currently and cash carried over for 2024. 02:54:24
We don't receive any money from general fund. 02:54:29
I guess I should say it's always been 1.1 million from the Commission because that department doesn't get any money from general 02:54:36
fund. That doesn't really help us because we need to cut. 02:54:41
Commissioners to 1.1. 02:54:47
And that went up 400,000. 02:54:51
We received, we received UH funding from the City of Anderson and also Madison County if that's what you're referring to. But 02:54:55
other than that, we don't receive any funds at a general fund at all. We operate strictly on the funds received from the different 02:55:01
towns and cities. So would you feel comfortable if we appropriate 200,000 instead of 400 to get you through? 02:55:07
To clarify that McAfee, yeah, I don't focus on, no, I don't need that. It's not 200,000, it's it's one million, 1.3 million 02:55:15
instead of 1.5 million. If we appropriate 1.3, that's $200,000 more than what you have now. It'd be 1.1 for 24, we'd give you 1.3. 02:55:21
Do you are you comfortable with that? 02:55:28
I would need to look umm. 02:55:38
Thank you. 02:55:41
It would end up being short though if if if it still remains part of the course that we've had for the last several years. So I 02:55:42
think we have to plan on fully funding it. 02:55:46
And then when things happen and we don't have to use it and that's just a bonus, but to have to find that funding later may be 02:55:52
really difficult. I think it's very important that we fully fund it right from the front, UH, expecting just to fund it for the 02:55:58
year. And then again if if the other agreements come through and we get some of that money back and great. 02:56:05
But if we don't fund it up front and we have to come up with $200,000 next September, we have that extra $1,000,000 in the public 02:56:12
safety fund from paying office this year. 02:56:17
Right. So we could not send it completely up front and then next year? 02:56:22
And then And then, yeah, yeah. And then we got to the end of the year and people were confused as to why there wasn't enough 02:56:57
money. 02:56:59
You know, and so I mean I. 02:57:02
I think that if if the Council's intent would be to use some of that leftover public safety money. 02:57:06
To fully fund it, then, we ought to go ahead and put that in the public safety budget. 02:57:13
For the this next year, umm, so that. 02:57:18
We've got it in place. 02:57:21
It's, it's held for that purpose, Umm, but then we also have to be really careful. I mean you know, we do have to to acknowledge 02:57:22
that we've got a very expensive jail project and we've had massive inflation and interest interest rates, uh, have gone through 02:57:27
the roof since that was all planned so. 02:57:32
We're, we're likely gonna need. 02:57:39
An extra amount of money to draw, uh, from to to make sure that project is done properly. So Council McGill, may I ask a question? 02:57:41
I've had more and more price conversations with a couple layers. 02:57:49
Umm, I'm sorry. 02:57:54
When do we get to a point where we stay as US Council? 02:57:57
To say we just need to take it on top of this customer Nord and I think Commissioner Richline was kind of in favor of that 02:58:01
actually I believe California, is that right? 02:58:05
And we have a meeting with Council Commissioner Bridgewell to make it fair on everyone. And because I don't make much, actually we 02:58:09
can make them pay. That's in the statute. 02:58:14
So do you think that's, I mean, I mean because we don't know when this is gonna cost 400,000. Jenny has done a great job but again 02:58:19
you were prepared but I think the fairways take it off the tax of the county and and and it's funded we don't have to worry about 02:58:24
it. 02:58:28
OK, so I think we need to think about adjusting the County Council fully fund. No, no, no, no, no. I'm not following them. Go 02:58:35
ahead, counselor Norton, you know better on the public safety tax. When it was passed, the taxi passed. It had to be passed by the 02:58:39
Texans, right? 02:58:44
The two largest members of that tax and board of the City of Anderson and up. So at the end of the day, if we can get the City of 02:58:50
Anderson to agree without raising taxes, to take the call center costs off the top of the public safety distribution prior to it 02:58:56
being distributed to everybody else, including us. 02:59:02
You pay. You pay the call center off. 02:59:09
That's the first thing, and then it gets distributed out equally. 02:59:12
To the rest of the municipality. 02:59:16
Now it's my understanding that you know Anderson and I and and we pay the majority of that call center and umm. 02:59:18
It honestly would not affect our line item, uh, that much as far as what we would be reduced because we already paid such a 02:59:26
substantial amount on the call center. 02:59:31
Umm, I've seen the numbers from our accountants, whatever they ran. Umm, this is a conversation. 02:59:36
Was brought up months ago. 02:59:43
Umm with the Commissioners and or worked on and we we need to either. 02:59:46
As I say, they're get off the pot or go. I have some conversations. 02:59:51
Commissioners office on this as well and. 02:59:55
I do believe the commissioners would be in favor of that, the problem they're getting or running into. 02:59:59
Uh, the mayor of Anderson is is not the paper of going that route this time. 03:00:05
So until. 03:00:10
Both parties can agree to move forward in a kind of a moot point. 03:00:11
To see if I can't get him to change his mind and and I think the council the City Council be not to marry but I get what you're 03:00:18
saying yeah but but it's actually kind of like us and the City Council would vote I I think where I'm at is that could be a 03:00:24
positive step but it is a process that takes time. Yeah. I, I and and I don't like to set a budget where we're banking on 03:00:31
something like that that could very easily not not pan out you know. 03:00:37
With those types of pro processes. 03:00:44
There's no guarantee. You know, even when people say they'll vote for it and they support it, doesn't always come down. 03:00:48
But are also gonna be putting pressure on other units because they're not gonna be receiving that money anymore. So there's a lot 03:00:55
of policies. Yeah, I mean, that may force some of the smaller municipalities to have to shrink their public safety. Umm, you know, 03:01:02
which may be cutting an officer or supplies or pay. Umm, So they'd be fighting to protect what what they feel they need to. Well, 03:01:10
and it would be more conducive for them to come to the table and give us a reasonable amount that we'd ask for and it wasn't. 03:01:17
What they lose in public safety, That makes sense, right? And so, again, I. 03:01:25
I I'm personally not opposed to looking into that. I just don't think it's something that. 03:01:29
Right now we can bank on and setting our budget. You know, I I I would be concerned. 03:01:35
So that process may not pan out the way we want it to or or within the timing just given half the other 200,000 and we 03:01:40
appropriated it out of the public safety fund for next year. 03:01:46
Umm. And if it didn't fall, if it didn't fall through, if it fell through, then we would have to look at some of it back into the 03:01:53
budget the following year. 03:01:56
I think that's. 03:02:01
Since. 03:02:04
And that way we can use some of that 200,000 to maybe get some. 03:02:05
You're talking about moving some of the dispatch fees to public safety 200, two 100,000? 03:02:12
Umm, what do you do? You guys have thoughts on that? 03:02:19
Or or other. Do you have thoughts on that moving the 200,000 to public safety from the dispatch? 03:02:23
This section of course from the County International. 03:02:34
I I heard a lot of talk about uh. 03:02:38
That's been discussed for almost two years. 03:02:43
Uh-huh. 03:02:48
Small hands with a few of the pay, and that's the name of my phone on the way. Like it. It sounds like a wonderful idea, but the 03:02:54
problem is with the history, with having not paid for, what, at least a year and a half, some of them 2022 and 2005? So what makes 03:03:02
us think? I guess I'm just not willing to gamble on the fact that they're gonna pay. I love the idea. 03:03:10
Of the public safety money to pay for which is public safety months. So so then that that that question then really it sounds 03:03:21
like. 03:03:24
For moving forward on the 24 budget and maybe working through that process and seeing seeing what can be done in the future is 03:03:29
just a question of are we willing to umm spend next year some of that umm surplus we have in public safety that that we were 03:03:37
intending to umm pull back for potentially some you know upfront cost of the jail or some other, some other unknowns. I mean 03:03:44
that'd be less money we'd have to finance if we did that. Umm not one time cost, yeah and and umm. 03:03:52
Councilman Steele, am I correct in Europe budget that you you proposed, umm, you were already using a portion of that 350,000, OK, 03:04:01
roughly. So that would give us 550,000 that we'd be using of the 1.2% two and one numbers in my head right now. So umm. 03:04:11
So again, I mean. 03:04:21
Maybe it works out. 03:04:24
Maybe we're just taking a can down the road and. 03:04:27
You know, so I mean, I mean if we use it on public safety emergencies, that would be different long as we don't go crazy and just 03:04:30
start giving us salaries and the commitment. It's not. For instance, uh, bulletproof windshield was a one time project where we 03:04:36
don't repeat every year and that's a little different. We're not committed. We're essentially gonna commit these files. Well, that 03:04:42
buys us some time. That all buys us some time as Dennis said that. 03:04:48
They might be in closer and and they have been at a while and I'm and I don't want to doubt that I know what Jenny is saying but. 03:04:54
I also know reality this has been going on for let's let's come back and what what are some yeah there's some other I'm through 03:05:01
with. I can just tell you that I had my budget at the same amount that you did umm and I've told you some of the areas where I 03:05:08
reduced umm where you had given more generously than I did and was. I mean is there other departments you want to look at? Because 03:05:15
I'm. I'm afraid the part was a big one. I I I'm really afraid to change anything in the court I respect. 03:05:22
Umm, well, I thought that they put forth. And the prosecutor's office is another one that I looked at, 5% increases for the larger 03:05:29
salaries. 03:05:33
Umm some of the smaller salaries. I wanna ask him some questions. 03:05:38
Mr. Hammond is here, Chief Deputy. 03:05:44
And he's under the same pressure. 03:05:50
I mean at the end of the day, I mean we all want they all, all the departments would like to see generous increases in all their 03:05:54
employees. I get that. I just would really like to take care of our lower paid people this year. 03:06:00
Thank you. 03:06:07
When you go to, when you're talking about you had to hold, you have to hold back. 03:06:10
125% you got to make sure you're not getting that. 03:06:18
Yeah, you have to have it. Is that the 1.5? 03:06:23
1.5 And then there's also the radio bond you pay out of there, correct? 03:06:27
That comes straight off the top. That's the only one in the bottom structure. And then move off the radius for every down fire 03:06:32
department. 03:06:36
He's only a higher UH channel. UH those bond payments were $747,000 a year, down half of it and. 03:06:39
That comes right off the side of that what we get, right, Yes. 03:06:52
Yeah, and I think the public safety was the six million and something right is what the state said. 03:06:57
I haven't had some six $6,314,033. 03:07:04
Yep, that's what it is. 03:07:13
So 1.5 comes off of that, correct? And then the radio bonds come off of that, correct? And that's what's left. 03:07:17
And then it's a gel lit, is that separate from that number? 03:07:31
So according to the turn out from the state, we got 6.282 million coming in for jail lit every year. 03:07:35
OK, so let me get this corrected. Public Safety, Mr. Garner, is that Separ? 03:07:49
From You got to jail it all by itself. We raised .0 two 1.5 million. 03:07:54
1.5 million. 03:08:00
Is designated to the bond right? Is that correct? You you have to prove when you build that jail, you have to prove that you can 03:08:03
cover those bonds payments by 125%. 03:08:08
The, let's say the 100% of that bond payment comes from UH, the gel web, the correctional lift and then you have to cover that by 03:08:13
another 25% UH and that would come from the you have to guarantee that you can cover it by 25% in the is that over a million and a 03:08:20
half that we have to get. So that was the 1.5 million and a half that's the 1.5 that that's the 25%. So you've got, you've got 03:08:27
your yes, you've got your public safety. 03:08:35
And off the top of that, you can't count a million and a half of that and you can't count the 700,000 for the bond payment. 03:08:42
That's the short answer to them. Can I can I just offer in the, I guess, spirit of compromise? I I really don't like the idea of 03:08:50
digging deeper into public safety, but. 03:08:56
I also really don't like the idea of. 03:09:03
You know, not fixing some of the problems with pay structure in in other public safety departments, our course, our prosecutor's 03:09:08
office. 03:09:11
They've had significant. 03:09:15
I don't think. 03:09:18
We're doing the county big picture a favor. 03:09:20
Cutting some of these. 03:09:24
Proposed funding for different different pay lines in in their departments. Umm. 03:09:28
So, I mean, I'd be willing to entertain the idea of, you know, let's, let's. 03:09:33
At least gets us to a point where we're looking for them like $27,000, umm, and we can have a functional budget. I think this is 03:10:14
still a question though. We we still have not looked at the M triple C, correct? So above and beyond the 221 come back OK. 03:10:24
Once we. 03:10:34
Yeah. So maybe we have all of the UH proposed increases, we deal with that first and then we just have a bigger. 03:10:34
Figures you have to. 03:10:42
So like I was saying before, and I I know that you guys are, you know, disagree with me on this, but I think to go from. 03:10:46
$37,334 as a court reporter to 44,000 is a substantial increase. 03:10:54
Umm, and I think that is a really. I think they would be exceptionally happy with that and I think that we would be able to be a 03:11:02
qualified people and but that's my own personal opinion. 03:11:06
Umm, what buzz are you talking about? 03:11:11
Or. 03:11:14
Judge wanna speak to that? I was there anything exceptional to that? Did we move somebody experienced into that position? I don't 03:11:16
recall. 03:11:20
We've lost a lot of experienced people. Uh. 03:11:26
The. 03:11:36
One leaves like their library of knowledge stretches on fire, right and burns to the ground every time. Moonlight and we continue 03:11:38
to loom and lose and lose. And that will continue until we are able to increase the gallery line through what is comparable to 03:11:46
other similarly situated accounts, which is what was presented to the counselor. The budget and a lot has significant concessions 03:11:53
and the overall increase is 5.6%. 03:12:00
Focusing those resources awareness cuts to the areas that we needed the most, the corporate quarters especially and board 03:12:08
administration. 03:12:11
Right. And and I mean turnover. 03:12:16
Administrator for $75,000. 03:12:20
No. 03:12:23
Umm, like we've seen in the jail and and I'd love for everyone in the jail to to make that. Umm. But cutting Port reporters back 03:12:58
just a little bit more isn't gonna make up for for anywhere even close to the difference of what the jail budget is blew to. So we 03:13:04
have to. 03:13:09
Find some other other source of funding really. And selling a few $1000 from a few lines here and there isn't it is the only back 03:13:17
door view actually I I agree with Councilman getting on that but the only back door I see the difference is Administrator has 03:13:22
someone in there right now. 03:13:26
Jill and some of these places are way short staffed for a long time and they're they're facing the same thing with not being able 03:13:32
to fall. But there's some, the difference is we have spots that's been open that last year bought that this year fighting that 03:13:37
which we're dealing with public safety. 03:13:42
On the day of the inmates and in our official or our our CEOs, but they have someone in there right now. 03:13:47
And you know the same thing for the GL commander and assistant commander that that you wanted raises and you're talking 100 and 03:13:56
but I'm really not giving them a raise. I know it looks like a MRI but the overtime they're gonna make with the overtime, I mean 03:14:01
you can make an exempt. 03:14:06
I mean, I mean, if you look. 03:14:13
You can't go after one. 03:14:16
Higher paid person and leave others unstated. 03:14:18
What? What is the amount that she what shares that? 03:14:25
How are you doing right now? So share with, with, with the general commanders over time. 03:14:32
Because I asked you about this line item. 03:14:40
We we set her at 100,000 which Councilman aren't good. What is her overtime with what she makes now and you said it's close to 03:14:43
$100 right? Right. She was on we had. 03:14:48
Extrapolate out based on when we submitted the budget, where she'd be at, and she was over 96,000 at that point in time. But 03:14:53
that's in addition to, like the instant we had where the officer got punched in the face, she had to come down and, you know, take 03:14:58
over. 03:15:02
List of what's going on. It takes more composition back over so. 03:15:08
So she's gonna be close to 100,000 anyway, and Councilman Gales as well. 03:15:11
Account is paying for one side or the other, whether it's you, you put it in exemplary one level or we put her back over there and 03:15:16
show the salary. 03:15:20
73 or 63? 03:15:26
You're gonna pay for the overtime line and and let's be honest, we were talking about employee retention. If you're paying someone 03:15:29
currently $96,000 a year, whether that's salary and overtime combined or just salary or whatever, if then all of a sudden you say, 03:15:35
oh, you're now exams you don't get over time, now you're only gonna make 70, some $1000 a year. 03:15:41
Do you think that person's gonna stick around very long because. 03:15:47
Then they just got a $20,000 pay cut. And I I think that's the difficult position that we're put in. But we're kinda we have to 03:15:52
pay it one way or another or we're gonna. 03:15:57
Or we're probably gonna lose that employee, right? And then the next person is gonna do the same amount of hours because the jail 03:16:02
is. 03:16:05
An animal that you gotta deal with on a day-to-day, 24 hour day basis. Hmm. 03:16:09
Over 300 hours in overtime so far this year, Yeah, I mean the jail commander, the assistant jail commander are actually on call 03:16:15
all the time. And with the jail being short, our jail commander was supposed to come in for overtime. This officer right here is 03:16:22
stepped up on overtime, come in and got punched in the face. 03:16:29
I don't hear me. I don't want Cassandra as well. I worked at the department for 16 years. It is my career. I love my job, even 03:16:37
with a fractured face. 03:16:41
I come to work. 03:16:45
So I haven't missed. 03:16:47
Since I got punched in the face by a male and I say male teeth is not a man, a man doesn't hit a woman. OK? Period. 03:16:49
I came in on my day off on a Saturday. 03:16:56
To come in because we didn't have a full time. 03:17:00
No one works. You can't staff a jail without a female. That's a lawsuit waiting to happen. I'm not gonna make my jail commander 03:17:03
leave her family again to have to come in. 03:17:08
So I came in. 03:17:13
Not even an hour into my shift, doing my job like I always do, I was not complacent. I was not not paying attention. 03:17:15
I was dealing with somebody. 03:17:22
Apparently just didn't like a woman telling him what to do and struck me in the face. 03:17:24
I had to go to the emergency room. I have two. I have two fractured bones in my face. That happened on a Saturday on the 30th. 03:17:29
I came back to work on Monday. 03:17:35
So I came back to work on Monday. I. 03:17:38
Probably two or three hours early because I have a massive headache staring at my screen. 03:17:41
This it, It is. It's an animal, you know? And I don't, I don't say this because I I think that I'm the greatest and I deserve more 03:17:48
money, but. 03:17:51
I've worked there 16 years and I think. 03:17:56
This is the precipice of my breaking point. 03:18:01
I shouldn't have to choose whether or not my family eats healthy. 03:18:04
And then working overtime, that's the only reason I'm able to survive is because I have to work overtime to be able to pay. 03:18:10
Succeed my family and it's I don't go out watching movies. I don't go out to eat we. 03:18:16
We survived. We have a good time. I take care of my children. 03:18:22
I'm married. I have a husband who has a job and we still can't survive. 03:18:25
Umm, I'm just gonna go read this. It's gonna take you like a minute and then that's all I wanna do. 03:18:31
So that maybe because I don't, I don't think this is gonna get solved tonight. I don't. 03:18:36
But maybe you guys can think about this and some of you that might be on the verge. 03:18:40
You know 5% is good enough if not. 03:18:45
It's not. 03:18:48
And I understand that you have to find it somewhere. 03:18:49
But maybe hearing this will make you think about it better, because. 03:18:52
After 16 years, I just. I wanna be done. 03:18:57
That's sad because I love my job most of the time, you know, Not only most of the time. OK, So I'm just gonna read this and then 03:19:04
I'm gonna. That's it. That's all I wanna be able to do. 03:19:08
So maybe you guys. 03:19:12
You know, talk amongst each other and really dig into the budget because you can't tell me it's not they're somewhere. 03:19:14
It's somewhere. 03:19:19
It's it's somewhere. I mean, I worked there for 16 years and I'm getting paid $22.00 an hour. 03:19:22
OK, so I'm gonna read it and then I'm done. OK, so I I apologize. I'm gonna try to get through this and just be done with it. 03:19:27
So throughout my 16 year career. 03:19:33
Multiple invitations have been sent out from this administration and the previous administration. Some visits detention center. 03:19:35
As Perkins glimpse of what we deal with on a daily basis with our facility, gratitude and thank you goes to those who have 03:19:43
actually taken that offer and come and seen what we have to deal with. So I appreciate that. 03:19:48
For those of you have not. 03:19:53
There's a little bit of data for you. 03:19:55
Since January, there have been 2000 incidences inside this facility. 03:19:58
Over 400 of them, not including that #1M triple. 03:20:04
2000 in the Madison County Jail. 03:20:08
These incidences range from use of Source. 03:20:11
After results, inmate on inmate assaults, medical emergencies and mental health emergencies. 03:20:14
Search, which is the correctness emergency response team, which I'm also part of. 03:20:20
Has been activated for those incidences occurring within this facility 10 times this year. 03:20:24
That averages at least once a month. 03:20:30
Activation of the search is due to a situation that unable will be resolved by normal operating staff there, so we are trained to 03:20:33
be able to handle changing situations if they just it's not safe for them to deal with. 03:20:39
High risk transport have increased due to the level of charges and animate behavior. The average daily intake of new arrests on an 03:20:46
average of seven days is 15 people. 03:20:50
The facility has 207 beds. The daily average population for the month of September alone was 287. 03:20:56
So that's eighty more people than we have. 03:21:04
Somewhere to put. 03:21:06
It means we have people housing day. 03:21:08
So we're doing Deal Tech with two officers and there's four people in the day room. 03:21:10
I can take care of myself. I mean, I stood up the whole time this happened. I didn't go out. 03:21:15
But if four people jump me, I'm, I'm going down. It's not. I can't. There's no way I'm 5/2. 03:21:21
22 inmates are currently housed at other counties or facilities due to spacing limitations. 03:21:28
And Triple C maintains consistently full because our detention center population continues to be overpopulated. 03:21:34
We have 8 cells that are unable to be utilized, which creates an even larger limitation inside our housing. 03:21:40
Facility. These stem from accountable issues presented by deteriorating conditions of facilities are beyond the control of their 03:21:46
general preventative maintenance. 03:21:50
During exit interviews conducted when officers leave, it shows the top reasons for resignation are salary. 03:21:55
Number one. 03:22:03
Concerns for security due to building conditions, plumbing issues, not malfunctioning equipment. 03:22:05
Short staffing and continuous overtime. 03:22:11
Contraband was former fentanyl, heroin, methamphetamines, syringes, weapons. Nothing bodily was. 03:22:15
Species Urine and blood. 03:22:21
Are located on the person that we pat down the arrest fees and inside the housing unit which places officers in a dangerous 03:22:26
situation daily. While I continue to discuss and evaluated raises done by the Sheriff Benin for 20.4 budget, I ask that you take 03:22:31
into considering from the environment that these staff are working within. Raises for departments to become comparable to 03:22:37
surrounding counties is necessary. I would absolutely decide to drive to Hamilton County and get paid more who advised 16 years of 03:22:42
experience. 03:22:48
But recognition of the type of work being performed must also be evaluated day in and day out. The staff that I work with have 03:22:56
dedicated themselves to the Department to encounter resentment, hostility, drug use, contraband weapons and mental health issues. 03:23:02
Yet they continue to show up and perform their duties despite all their adversities they have to deal with. 03:23:09
These men and women deserve to be recognized and compensated for their job that they do. 03:23:15
We shouldn't be discredited for the salaries based on the departments requiring 1 to validate their duties. Ask yourself if you 03:23:20
would be willing to perform those duties with this salary you're looking to provide. I guarantee you not one of you would stand in 03:23:25
this place and put this uniform on. 03:23:30
In the day and age that the inmates that we have to deal with. 03:23:36
75% of our job now is mental health. 03:23:39
And it's insane. 03:23:43
For the pictures, this is my face. 03:23:49
This is what it looked like. I'm not gonna. 03:23:52
So recent couple of young people. 03:23:54
This is what I look like. This is another officer that had a lacrosse on his. 03:23:57
Because and they said we've had to deal. 03:24:02
Contaban that we've had to deal with. 03:24:06
Saying this is. 03:24:09
Sink of metal that they decided to. 03:24:10
And then plumbing issues. 03:24:14
Rope on rope on rope. They like to take things and flush it down the toilet, stick it out the windows get constantly up into our 03:24:17
facilities. 03:24:20
Who knows what it is? Guns. 03:24:23
Unless we find the hole in time. 03:24:26
Who knows? 03:24:28
Perfect. Thank you. Thank you. And at the end of the day, guys, we're looking at putting them at $22.00 an hour, which is a 03:24:30
$45,760 salary. 03:24:35
I understand that the prosecutors office and the courts want greater salary to be able to compete, but at the end of the day 03:24:42
they're not dealing with what our jail product people are dealing with and I think it needs to be a priority. 03:24:47
Over everybody else, I think it needs to be a priority, I just like to add. 03:24:53
When this council did the COVID hazard pay? 03:24:58
There were tiers and people were paid differently based on. 03:25:02
How hazardous her job was with COVID? How high of risk were they at when they kept coming to work? And so to me by that same. 03:25:07
Mentality. 03:25:15
It's OK to give the jail staff an N triple CA little bit higher raise than everyone else because of the risk that they take on 03:25:17
every day when they come to work. 03:25:21
You know, with our working copy of our budget now it has those raises in there the sheriff's requested and so again, trying to. 03:25:28
Continually brought us in a forward direction. Umm, are there other departments we need to look at now? 03:25:36
So is that where we need to say there are 22 starting now? 03:25:43
For a 2010% raise, oh that would be 20. So let's look at in triple T and and see what headway we make there and then we'll see 03:25:47
what we have to come up with. I just wanted to say too, umm, the jail is a 24 hour operation. Just like patrol. We have to have 03:25:54
people in those positions. Umm and right and just pass as well. 03:26:01
You know, so it's not that and I'm not discrediting the course or the men and women in the offices at all. Don't. I don't want it 03:26:08
construed that way. But that's why she was in on overtime because there was not a female. It's a 24 hour opera operation. Snow 03:26:16
days, we go to work, we go to work on snow days, we don't get anything extra to go to work on snow days. And the courthouse is 03:26:23
closed and get paid 8 hours for staying home. I mean there's there's a difference in public safety. 03:26:30
And non public safety positions. And I'd ask that you keep that in mind when you're looking at these. I've cut everywhere. I even 03:26:38
reduced my pay to make sure the jail staff could try to get their increases that they deserve. I've been at the department 29 03:26:43
years and I started in the jail. 03:26:47
So M triple T. 03:26:56
We're going to MCC complex. 03:26:58
Just just let it go. 03:27:04
So looking at M triple C, this, this is the misdemeanor fund that. 03:27:11
The request was to bring that salary, that subsidized salary there, a along with what was the 23 budget? 03:27:17
To take full account of that and move it into the public state or UH, move it into the UH General Fund. 03:27:27
So the yellow items on the right are the UMM, original 23 budget, adding the misdemeanor in there and coming up with the 23 03:27:35
budget. So is is an adjusted budget for the year. Umm. 03:27:42
And then the request and then comparing that to the requested budget. 03:27:52
So what does that put them in? 03:27:57
Uh, I worked with Dave and I don't remember he didn't give a matrix per SE. Well, he he did give you a matrix. I asked him for 03:28:01
that specifically. 03:28:05
I thought this got a month. 03:28:11
21, 1/2 or 22? I don't remember the minimum. 03:28:14
Yeah, I thought that with this one, David was involved and we got him where he wanted to be. Are you remember correctly, but. 03:28:21
You know express by cutting well. He asked for three positions, additional positions and then cut or asked for four and then we 03:28:28
cut 3. 03:28:32
Umm, so as far as pay increases, we get where he was wanting, yes? 03:28:38
So I I I would. 03:28:45
Would like to add that we would we would also want that pay parity for the officers that work at that complex. 03:28:47
Umm. During. 03:28:54
Like. 03:28:56
I'm not sure of the budget that I'm looking at. It looks like it would take a regular correction officer to 40,000 a year. Umm, I 03:28:58
don't. Unfortunately, I didn't bring that working. I think that's when the last time we spoke I think. 03:29:04
Gotten a few. 03:29:12
Right. And the and the one. 03:29:15
The one correction officer that you were giving to us knew is for work release. Umm. 03:29:19
Which is a whole other beast, uh, operating on a flat grant. 03:29:25
Of people again doing like. 03:29:31
Operating on 80% part time work, you have 5 full time officers. 03:29:35
24 hour, seven day week facility. 03:29:41
And you know you have people coming and going in and out of that facility all day. Umm potentially ingesting, uh any type of 03:29:46
adjustments on the outside coming in? 03:29:50
UMM and at the end of the day all of the 24 hour facilities are working with UMM like as Dale had said. 03:29:55
An individual that you're not working with, uh, 20 years ago, I mean, you got some mental health, you got substance abuse, you 03:30:04
have all these substances that you know if you touch a a particle of it that can. 03:30:10
You you canodine. 03:30:17
And the officers, again, you know, we've seen a lot of turnover in both of these facilities. 03:30:21
And I I think that it. 03:30:28
Be a smack in the face. 03:30:30
If we didn't look at that across the board for all the facilities that are doing life work, the original budget was. 03:30:32
Uh, 1.342 million in requested by this is 2,087,000. So it was 400 seven 140,000 increase or roughly a 50% increase. And when we 03:30:41
sat down with David, how close were your numbers joining with what? David uh, when I put in the matrix? But I also took into 03:30:49
consideration a few other things I took into consideration that umm. 03:30:57
Right now I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, umm, they do not get paid over time. No, they get holiday pay. 03:31:07
If they work on a holiday, they get that's what our overtime UH budget line, that's what that overtime pays for is just a working 03:31:16
holiday. But do they get shift premium to what we added in, OK and do they get that for UMM? 03:31:22
Work release as well. No, that was just M Triple C, right? Just for clarification is, is it they're not getting paid over time 03:31:30
because they're part time employees so they're not getting to that 40 hours. No, the complex is the majority of full time staff, 03:31:37
OK, umm, if they work a holiday, our overtime budget for the complex. 03:31:43
Was if they work a holiday, they get time and a half, OK. Umm. So we wanna include the work release center as well because it's 03:31:50
only fair. Again operating on 80% part time for a 24 hour facility. Umm. 03:31:57
And and right now we're down like 6. The complex I think is, uh, they just feel they've been without one full time officer, umm, 03:32:06
for several months. They just got that filled. But they're down on part time. So you're going to have. 03:32:13
There's full time people working. 03:32:21
Probably every holiday. 03:32:23
Hello. 03:32:26
But are people being scheduled in outside of holidays over time? 03:32:27
So not getting paid for overtime, they get comp time, OK. 03:32:32
So there is a compensation. 03:32:35
And and to your point, we wanted the matrix, Umm, we were proposed with 40,000. Like I'm just talking about a basic correction 03:32:38
officer, uh, full time, not a a shift supervisor. Umm. 03:32:43
It was proposed 40,000 umm but we would, we would also like. 03:32:51
Go with that matrix matrix as well. 03:32:56
It's possible and and and the other day I've had a lot of conversation with with Dave and our work release facility. 03:32:59
Umm. It's not being used the way it was intended to be used. 03:33:08
It's work release, which means people have jobs when they go in there for the most part and they pay to stay there. That was where 03:33:12
part of the funding came from for that job, for that position. It was a it was like instead of throwing you in prison, we're gonna 03:33:17
push in work release. It's a it's a a lesser. 03:33:22
Service, you know it's a lesser penalty for what you did wrong. Unfortunately, it's not being utilized that way and. 03:33:27
You know, it's they're having a hard time funding it and it needs to be really severely looked at and I've encouraged him to sit 03:33:35
down with the judges. 03:33:38
All of the judges and to take a hard look at how we're utilizing this facility because it's. 03:33:42
It's not being properly used. 03:33:48
Time to get the funding and to get those to pay. They don't have jobs. How are they gonna pay? You know, they shouldn't even be 03:33:51
under the beginning with. 03:33:56
There is a meeting scheduled I think later this month, umm to discuss some of these issues. I believe that I discussed with Mr. 03:34:01
Kane how much they are back in fees and you know that number. 03:34:06
I mean, quite a bit of money. It is. And and and and and I I got two good judges out here. Just like you gotta get lied to. Uh, 03:34:12
but. 03:34:16
And and and they say they have jobs and they don't. They go back there because I think we all need to get together and figure that 03:34:22
out because it's not working states over here with all this big money. And then Mr. Payne said they still haven't moved on. 03:34:28
The money they got from the state to help fund more of that, and we've been advised that 2024 budget or grants for DOC is not 03:34:35
gonna be increased either. Yeah. So then what do we need to do? Is there anything we need to do on this? 03:34:42
Department umm to adjust any of those 2024 council members. 03:34:50
To make members of the council, I can, I can give you the number for the matrix. 03:34:57
But like I said, I took into consideration some other things as well for work release. 03:35:03
Umm, giving them. Umm, I'd have to look at my original budget, what I actually did with that. Give me just a second here. 03:35:08
So what I did is umm I increased their part time. 03:35:21
I increased the part time to cover a $20.00 an hour times 29 hours, which is for your part time people. 03:35:28
What's going on? 03:35:36
Oh, I'm sorry. So $20.00 an hour times 29 hours, That's 580 a week times 52 weeks for your part time people. That's $30,160 times. 03:35:39
I believe you have seven part time people. What David said, no, we have more than that. Uh, Brett, 'cause we're we're 80% part 03:35:47
time, so we have not work release. Yes. OK. I was not able to do what I'd like to do with work release on this, be able to do. 03:35:54
There's gonna have to be some changes at that facility. Umm. 03:36:01
And that was a $211,000 plus. I gave him another 120. 03:36:10
1000 or $4.00 per hour increased supplement that is for work release part time. I did give that, that brought him up a little bit. 03:36:14
Umm. 03:36:22
Yeah, 15,000 lines. 03:36:25
So my part time was 312,000. 03:36:28
So then what other numbers? So then I had put them into the matrix. 03:36:44
Which takes and puts in their longevity into the matrix again and it brought them up to $22.00 an hour, just like the jail. 03:36:48
Umm. So for instance at the top of the. 03:36:58
That person would be making. 03:37:02
About 48,147. 03:37:05
So that that's actually gonna be less than what you're now. That's the 2020, that's without the misdemeanor over there, which is 03:37:08
8943. These are numbers that they gave me, that is the security supervisor. What's highlighted right there? 03:37:16
And then, uh, also just for clarity, is is. 03:37:24
Filled with. 03:37:29
Salaries in the misdemeanor fund that is there. This is not what I was getting was not because we we had that. I think we had a 03:37:31
very, uh, transparent conversation about the misdemeanor fund with everybody. Yeah. And what wanting to get that in the general 03:37:38
fund. So we don't have those numbers if you're looking or what David. 03:37:45
Wanted for those. 03:37:53
Those positions, so that security supervisor, the 55. 03:37:57
That would be the 43919 plus the 8943, is that correct? Correct. And you get to fit into you can see two in the north we have what 03:38:02
they were being paid out of the misdemeanor umm over towards the right and then? 03:38:10
And the highlighted yellow, umm, that would put him at 52,862 and I said it was 58147 because that includes the longevity. 03:38:17
Did I add that wrong? 03:38:28
I added the 43919 yes. 03:38:30
+8943? Mm-hmm. 03:38:34
That gives you the 52862. 03:38:37
And then did you add longevity to that? 03:38:41
The longevity. So I'm assuming that when David gave me the number 58147 was taken into consideration. Whatever that person's 03:38:44
longevity is that big of a. 03:38:50
Well, it's longevity. Paid out $75 per year service. Uh, I'm not sure exactly off the top of my head how long he's been there. I 03:38:57
think it's under five years. 03:39:03
Umm. 03:39:10
David, just text me. Uh, Nick is not in the matrix. 03:39:12
So that would be that security supervisor position. 03:39:17
So Councilman Steele, the council members. 03:39:22
Am I remembering right? That's all what David told us, and that includes moving away from the misdemeanor? 03:39:27
Yeah, So if that's the case, if that's getting him happy. 03:39:33
I would suggest. 03:39:39
That's pretty significant. Umm. 03:39:41
Improvement for one year as well. He's advocated strongly for the pay parity though, and so that may have made him happy with the 03:39:44
jail making what you have in your budget. But if we give the increase to the jail at $22.00 an hour, the stock's not going to be 03:39:50
on parity. Correct those numbers. 03:39:55
Because I I believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, you had miss 20. 03:40:01
$2020.00 an hour. 03:40:06
I didn't. I don't think we were looking at hourly wage. 03:40:09
Annual Spend so like Correction Officer 11619. 03:40:15
At 40,000, that was the base K, correct? Yes, I believe so. OK, that was the first year, so at $40,000 a year. 03:40:20
That's $19.23 cents, 90%. 03:40:30
Uh. 03:40:35
So that particular one there. 03:40:38
619. 03:40:42
I have them at 46555 which would be $20.00 an hour and their long debt. 03:40:47
But. 03:40:53
That is putting them at 22. 03:40:55
That's putting on chest. Well, what we don't know is the hours or years of service for each line or do you have that? I do not. 03:40:58
Well, I think that's what these numbers are in the day-to-day. I told him to give me the numbers with the. I think he did the 03:41:03
remedy and this is what I have here. 03:41:09
That's what he did, I believe, and I know he's. I'm 99% sure I sent this over to him to make sure that's correct. 03:41:15
So do we wanna just go ahead with those numbers, plug them in and see what that does, the overall budget and then we can always 03:41:23
revert back or make other adjustments. But I think part of what we're trying to see here is if we make all these changes, what 03:41:29
does that do, the overall budget? And then is that even possible? Can we come up with? 03:41:34
Other revenue sources or other cuts to balance it. 03:41:41
Uh, he, He texted. Uh. 03:41:47
Because some of those numbers are going to be. 03:41:52
And almost 8 thousand $8000 more. But remember it includes longevity. 03:41:55
And equipment 20. 03:42:00
Not 19. Something. Uh, do we have? Uh, what's our 170? 03:42:03
OK. 03:42:13
So we're already. 03:42:15
7800 for longevity that was Umm. 03:42:19
But I'm not sure. 03:42:24
I think what I'm looking at is the column. 03:42:27
On the left. 03:42:33
Which does not include the matrix. If you could keep that column on the left and then include the mayor to change the salaries to 03:42:36
include the matrix. 03:42:41
So the ones that I show that aren't in the matrix is the Business Office Manager, Assistant Manager, Excuse me, the field 03:42:49
Investigators are two of those. 03:42:53
And the training coordinator and the correctional. 03:42:58
Office maintenance Super. 03:43:02
I sure we're not in the matrix. I do show that the security supervisor was in the nature. 03:43:05
He. He. 03:43:11
He wasn't. 03:43:12
But you're you're correct, the two field officers. 03:43:15
The maintenance. 03:43:20
And the UH. 03:43:22
UH, Assistant was. 03:43:25
I know that there was work in the training coordinator, in the training coordinator. 03:43:27
I haven't highlighted the security supervisor, so I assume that that's nature. 03:43:34
So is it different than the 2024 budget that he proposed? 03:43:43
Yeah, because the 2024 budget, when he originally presented it to us, was not a. 03:43:47
It was, umm, trying to get his salaries up on some of those. Uh, he was hoping. 03:43:52
Have a additional. 03:43:58
Uh, what would you want to do there, There we were asking for. I think our original request was asking for four full time for work 03:44:01
release. 03:44:06
Umm. 03:44:12
Umm, I believe? He talked and said. We'll settle for one if we can get one at this time. 03:44:14
Umm. And he just reiterated that Nick was uh, the security supervisor was not in the matrix. 03:44:20
All right. Well. 03:44:31
Mm-hmm. 03:44:36
That's the only one that I have a discrepancy with. And I was in my budget, I was not giving us any additional work release people 03:44:38
and he knew that. 03:44:41
An employee he had requested. 03:44:46
OK. 03:44:50
And also uh, he wiped out his part time. 03:44:52
Budget altogether 150 for the complex? Yeah, for the 15001 he took out all of the part time. 03:44:56
They would they would have to have part time. Yeah he they couldn't operate if they didn't umm he said if we if we fund the 12110 03:45:04
line that goes away. Yeah that was a part time administrative assistant and we funded that line higher up, right. So that one went 03:45:10
away but 15,000 line which is part time for other employees that's that's still in there. Yeah. OK. So we're we're exactly there 03:45:17
so. 03:45:23
And I have the longevity of 3000. That was for the five employees that are not in the matrix. So that's 123. 03:45:35
And that's, that doesn't include the UH security supervisor with some of the correctional officers then, I mean. 03:45:42
What are we looking at for for a makes most of those one or two, zero or one year. I mean a lot of them and that's why they're at 03:45:48
the base. There's a handful that's been there for maybe five years and on, right. Most of them are very low aged. Uh, I'm looking 03:45:56
for though in our council members column we have $40,000. 03:46:03
What would how much of an influence would be? 03:46:12
Well, if if somebody's coming in at 0. 03:46:16
Uh, the matrix was started. 03:46:20
Give me the 450 thousand 45760. That's for $22.00 an hour. That's $22.00. 03:46:25
Seemed to be. 03:46:33
Fine, but not always not. 03:46:37
We spoke it. We realized it may be tough because there I mean they do similar jobs. I don't know what he. 03:46:40
It was originally the original budget didn't reflect the equality with the jail staff. 03:46:48
Yeah. Where where are we gonna advocate for pay parity and and especially like like jobs and again you know even with the work 03:46:57
really umm, it's it's gonna be, it's gonna be a situation there as well. 03:47:04
Mr. President, I. 03:47:11
I just wanna say one thing. 03:47:13
Discounts as a whole for years has been in favor of public safety positions. Umm, and some of our largest raises have been done 03:47:18
out publicly traditionally. 03:47:22
On. 03:47:32
I think the. 03:47:38
I understand the request for pay parity between. 03:47:40
The jail and and triple team was released. I I, I really do. I I have to say that I think we're comparing half of the one. 03:47:44
Umm. And what I mean by that is at the. 03:47:51
We have level one through level 6 selling again, we have violent offenders and we. 03:47:56
Uh, the worst of the worst in the gym. 03:48:02
And and and triple C. 03:48:05
Work release. We don't have those folks. 03:48:08
There's a lot of level fixes and UH and misdemeanor. 03:48:11
Do you have level 123? 03:48:16
We don't have level one. We have we have had some level twos. 03:48:19
Umm, and I mean every one of them has the potential to be violent. Each one of those facilities have a different level, you know 03:48:24
the jail when they come in, they're coming in off the street, you don't know what they're on. They're at a heightened state. So 03:48:30
that is umm, but we've also had escaping test over at the complex. We've also have multiple altercations and I'm, I'm not saying 03:48:36
that you don't have those. Yeah. 03:48:42
If you. 03:48:49
I'm just gonna say if you offer me $21.00 an hour to work at M triple C or work release or up to be 22 at the jail, I'm going in 03:48:51
triple C in the jail. I've been in a bookless facility and all day long, I mean. 03:48:57
Again, I I I believe that we do need to do it, but I think our dealers should make the folks working in the jail. 03:49:03
Should be paid a little higher than the first interest fee and worker. That's just my two cents on that. I will. I will add to 03:49:09
that council member. I did work for Chuck Donnie in the overflow jail and I'll say there's one difference because I experienced 03:49:13
it. 03:49:17
When you've got, When they've got. 03:49:23
And we've got a fight in there and you've got. 03:49:25
I was very lucky. I'm not afraid that I'm looking in your eye. That's great. And the second week there I was doing a breakfast. 03:49:28
Big fight and I ordered everybody back to the Bronx if they didn't have been done. 03:49:34
So the difference is they got locked down, they've got gained a little bit in their they can order them back to the lost. 03:49:39
Over there you got an open dorm that doesn't work for them guys to go. Again, that's that's just one big difference. I just wanted 03:49:46
to put a lot of people so, umm. 03:49:49
Again, trying to keep us moving in some direction, whether it's the right one or not. 03:49:55
Do we? 03:50:02
Punching matrix numbers do we have the numbers to punch those in or do we wanna use the 24 requested or stay with the council 03:50:03
numbers even with the council members right now that's a a $6500 a year rate on a lot of those corrections officers. Umm and we 03:50:10
have to decide is can we do more than that. I mean we still have $389,000 we gotta find somewhere without making any further 03:50:18
adjustments to N triple C So do we wanna see what that looks like if we if we put the. 03:50:25
The numbers in there and see how much more that balloons. 03:50:33
I mean, it doesn't hurt. We're just we're looking at it to see what then we have to cut, so. 03:50:37
So, Jody, do you have those numbers? I believe they are correct from what they would get. OK then do you wanna maybe just pick 03:50:44
those to problems? We'll see where I take. 03:50:47
Well, Jody's got matrix in her budget that she sent out. 03:50:55
That may be I I the column to the left there I don't believe what had the matrix in it. 03:51:00
The. 03:51:07
2024 Council, I think it says numbers right that column. I don't think that that had the matrix in it. Umm, I know that David uh 03:51:10
did. 03:51:15
Umm. 03:51:21
Get some numbers for matrix Umm. And that must be what you had. I mean I can't question whether right or not because that's just 03:51:22
what he gave me, but I know I gave it back to him and said is this correct? 03:51:28
And I know we've seen it so. 03:51:34
I would assume if something was not right, he would have told me. 03:51:36
Thank you. 03:51:41
He's making them up. Thank you. He memorized him. Yeah. 03:51:44
Business and thinking. 03:51:55
Uh. 03:52:20
OK, so that pushes it. 03:52:32
$529,000 over a balanced budget. 03:52:34
So 517,000? 03:52:50
So how much is a Peridot Or have you done? 03:53:04
OK, so longevity was down to 3000? 03:53:08
So she can. 03:53:12
Uh. 03:53:18
Uh. 03:53:22
Let me. 03:53:36
Mm-hmm. 03:53:41
Probably something else here and it can be done on the 16/4. 03:53:51
Umm, that's the 2nd shift premium. 03:53:57
Umm, that was just for 3rd shift, but we said that was a big incentive. Yeah, I had 30,000 there, but I was also he said he. 03:54:00
The 32 was for both chefs, he said. 03:54:09
The first team would get them the hardest shift to to fill OK. 03:54:13
And what do we have on overtime? 03:54:26
80,000. 03:54:29
80,000. 03:54:34
He thought he could do that well, he thought with the raises that we initially gave, and these are going to be more that, umm. 03:54:37
Wouldn't have to pay as much in over. I mean, but you're gonna pay at a higher rate too, right? Umm, umm, upgrading supplies 03:54:45
$1.00. 03:54:49
We got well. 03:54:55
Because in prior years, the overtime has not been. 03:54:59
Utilize transportation. 03:55:02
OK. On the 3600, I only have $4000 in there. 03:55:18
That's when you originally had asked for over 4000. 03:55:24
I think we we may that may have been oversight one of us. 03:55:32
So yeah, if you wanna take it before, that's fine. 03:55:38
Good suggestion. 03:55:41
So there was a couple that were a little bit higher than that, that I had. I hadn't gone quite as low as you had on your budget, 03:55:43
but. 03:55:46
I'm going to compromise the status, Davis look at it and study to work with it. 03:55:50
So we're just a little over $500,000 over budget. So are there other departments we wanna look at? Umm of? 03:55:55
You know, probably next I'm gonna look at the county assessor. 03:56:40
Margaret. 03:56:43
OK, let's move to the county assessment while you're back here. 03:56:45
I know I already pre. 03:56:49
The only thing I would say on that, that I already. 03:56:51
Here it comes. 03:56:56
So I discussed with you, Mr. Davis, that. 03:57:01
We have two separate proposals for your budget. 03:57:05
To get you closer to the certification. 03:57:08
Umm to be? 03:57:13
You said we can cut maybe something from yours, so I'll let you take it from there. That's workable where we can get up to 03:57:15
continue education and certification pay. 03:57:20
President Steele, members of the council, Uh. 03:57:26
No, we won't rehash. As far as challenges, I sent all that to you. But what I did receive was I received 2 budgets. 03:57:29
UH-1 from Councilwoman Norwich, one from President of. 03:57:36
And there wasn't a whole lot of difference. 03:57:41
In them? Uh. 03:57:44
And President Steele's proposal there was a reduction of about 64,000. 03:57:46
Uh, But salaries for level three were. 03:57:53
Uh 46,000. 03:57:58
And then Councilwoman Norwich, give us 48,000. We requested 49, nine. 03:58:00
UH, for level twos it was 42,000. 03:58:07
UH, that's what we've requested. UH President Esteel was 40,000. Councilwoman Norwich based 42,000. 03:58:10
So just to to make it simple, now for the elected official, I think you mentioned this earlier. I didn't ask for an increase, but 03:58:18
there's been mentioned about a 5%. 03:58:25
So I think we did put 3% as far as my salary, which was just cost of living. 03:58:32
So if we look at that uh 5% on the elected official. 03:58:39
And then take the level. Let's put the difference is what I'm saying. Let's put the difference between both proposals. 03:58:44
Let's take the level twos to 41,000. 03:58:52
Let's take the Level 3 to 47,000. 03:58:55
Instead all the line items that you have here, for example 2100 to 7000 bucks. 03:58:59
You know 3700, it was kept 3931. 03:59:05
3900 it was cut 3194. 03:59:09
What I propose to make it easy on you. 03:59:13
Is that we just reduced Prof Professional Services down to 625. We requested 700,000 which gives you the 75,000, which brings you 03:59:15
down to the 1.312. 03:59:21
Uh, approximately for the total budget for the assessor out of the general fund. 03:59:28
And then I would propose that we leave the UH reassessment and the sales disclosure as is as presented. And that gets you exactly 03:59:33
that, gets what President Steele asked for on the 1.3. 03:59:41
Sign in splits the baby uh the bath water in the middle. 03:59:49
So you have Level 3 and it still has the increase. You know, we talked about how difficult it was for me to find qualified 03:59:54
candidates because when I bring a man, of course they have to pass seven tests to become Level 3 certified according to state law. 04:00:00
That I send all of it, all you, but if you have any questions. 04:00:05
Fire away. 04:00:12
We go down to professional services. 04:00:14
Help. And Mr. Davis, is your continued education on your Level 3 or required by law to have, uh, continuing it on a Level 3? You 04:00:18
have to have 30 hours per year. Yeah. Mr. Davis, I'm remembering right. Professional services, you said you could cut that 625. I 04:00:26
said instead of cutting, you know those thousands. And here, here's what we have in UH office supplies, it was 12,000 and 04:00:34
operating supplies it was 12680 and other supplies that was cut 188. What I proposed is leaving notices as we requested. Mm-hmm. 04:00:43
It just takes the 75,000 which is the difference in the $1000 for each employee. 04:00:51
Uh, from both. 04:00:58
Councilwoman Norwich. 04:00:59
President Steele's propos. 04:01:02
It's just splitting out right in the middle with $1000 extra. So you add that 12,000 on top of the 64, you get right around 04:01:04
75,000. So just take the 700,000 we requested in professional services, knock it down to 625. 04:01:12
You don't have to mess with every other line. 04:01:20
To leave them the same and then if we do need more money and professional services then we have that other that we can transfer 04:01:23
from the 39 from the 3000 to the 3900. 04:01:28
If that works for you and you can move on, that would be perfect. 04:01:35
Can I get a motion? 04:01:41
I wish we were there. 04:01:43
So, Councilwoman Norwich's proposal. 04:01:50
Was a reduction in those services of 39 five and we had actually UH there was discussion about change in the reassessment. 04:01:53
But I think your issue is with the general fund, not with the reassessment fund, right? 04:02:03
This kind of knocks it. 04:02:10
It's gonna cut us a little short. We did request an increase on the reassessment fund. 04:02:13
For professional services, we did hire some appraisers. Uh, we had to go to the Indiana Board of Tax Review on Lowe's. 04:02:19
And we had to go on tolls. We have Nestle right now that we just hired an appraiser. 04:02:28
Which is pretty expensive. 04:02:34
Uh, the nice thing is we only. 04:02:37
Like 600 appeals this year, which is down. First property values are up. 04:02:39
So. 04:02:45
Yeah, pretty much. 04:02:49
And even though the interest rate went. 04:02:52
20 year high. 04:02:54
We're still not seeing values decrease very much. 04:02:56
So what you were saying about a downturn, we're not seeing that for 24? 04:03:00
Well, it looks like Todd has made those changes including the pay line and hey, that helped us out by a little over $7000 in the, 04:03:07
uh whole thing. So OK, we should move in the right direction on that one. Thank you. Can I get a motion? 04:03:15
OK, sorry. 04:03:24
Any other questions? 04:03:27
I I do have a quick question. So your longevity. Umm, we talked about this and maybe I'm wrong, umm, but I thought we were at 04:03:28
6500. I know it's only $500.00 but I know you have several employees please so I did have long as you have these, there's umm. 04:03:36
Hey, let me pull it up. You know what your longevity is for next year? 04:03:44
We do have an individual that. 04:03:48
Getting ready to pass his last yes past five tests? Become Level 3 assessor appraiser for the state. Uh, that was short 1000 04:03:50
Longevity. Yes, we did. Have we lost about 100 years worth of experience over the last two months? 04:03:59
So I have a lot of vacancies and that's what we talked about, the salary, but uh, it's a little high. 04:04:07
But I was cutting every. 04:04:13
That uh, President Steele his proposal. 04:04:15
So we might need to transfer some of those and I'm saying let's not go into every item, I'm giving you what you asked for. 04:04:20
And trying to doing the employees and helping them out as well. And also Mr. Daniels, I I I'd like to say you're with with you 04:04:27
being a shortage you have you're not able to. 04:04:33
Your full scale job that what you should do. 04:04:40
We are short. Well, I mean and there are some issues that that you're getting stuffed up. Let's look at that. 04:04:44
I said I I really wouldn't get into this because we made the argument several times to the council and I sent you like Hendricks 04:04:51
County, which is very comparable to us. 04:04:55
And uh, they have like 35 employees. We have 12. 04:05:00
So if we was at full capacity, we were 15. 04:05:05
So we're a big. 04:05:08
We have, uh, a lot of properties, yeah. So I think we've done 3400. 04:05:11
Three $400,000 homes down South in southern part of the county. 04:05:18
So that'll be new. 04:05:23
So there was a lot of bills and they in many small homes you don't know. 04:05:26
All right. 04:05:32
So we're, uh, we're sales. 04:05:36
400, four, 193 or 494,000 basically that we're over now. So are there any other departments we need to really focus on? 04:05:38
I did not get. 04:05:51
I can't hear you, Linda. You. 04:05:57
Budget. 04:05:59
You didn't get the budget, those that, I mean those that requested. I think I did. And the people that Jody worked with asked me 04:06:01
what I was proposing or were confused. So I sent them what we had put together. I think we left yours pretty much intact. So maybe 04:06:08
we look at, that's what they said. 04:06:15
Henry Clark, please. The department has haven't seen the budget you're proposing. 04:06:23
I I, uh, for I asked for a copy. I got put in the gateway Friday, but I so I didn't know if there was any change. I just heard 04:06:28
that there was a couple proposals and I just kind of want to get a feel where we were at and. 04:06:35
Done up for me. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Larry. Thank you. 04:06:57
Yes, it's a 5%. 04:07:14
11 conversation that UH President Steele and I had. 04:07:22
Yeah. 04:07:29
With the elected official Sal. 04:07:30
There's a lot of different, you know, things that have happened over the years where one person got something one year, then maybe 04:07:32
someone else got something in another year, and it almost seems like there needs to be. 04:07:38
Umm, maybe part of the personnel committee in the future, maybe in 24 could visit this idea a little more thoroughly to say, you 04:07:45
know, as an elected official which elected officials should be at, you know, say this here, which one should be at this tier and 04:07:51
try to get some parity, umm, within the elected officials as well? Because that's one thing that we we looked at and it was 04:07:58
challenging because elected official pay was kind of all over the place and then we're looking at well. 04:08:04
What are the responsibilities of umm say the share for a judge versus a recorder or umm auditor or something like that, you know? 04:08:12
Yes, yes, you would know that, Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so that's something where this. 04:08:23
I'm not SH. I don't remember exactly what the reporter is in this budget. 04:08:30
It's just to let you know there is some like recognition that while this budget may not fix that problem, there's recognition that 04:08:35
there is an issue and that we need to spend some time to figure it out. 04:08:41
Right, right. Yeah, Yeah. Yeah. 04:08:48
We think. 04:08:56
Thing is what I asked for because. 04:08:57
Well, we also took, I mean. 04:09:00
It's very what we did was there was there were some mid, mid year raises. 04:09:05
For one. 04:09:13
And. 04:09:16
Something. 04:09:17
Right. 04:09:18
Well, that's right. I know there was some compensation issues addressed. 04:09:22
And so then we apply the 5%. 04:09:26
And some of them got really close to the what you had requested. 04:09:29
Umm. 04:09:35
A support Trust Bank looks like it went down. 04:09:47
Yeah, we kept with. 04:09:55
What we kept was what was originally proposed. I mean on the on the first reading I don't think we've changed anything in the 04:09:58
clerk well, I think you requested 14 and you guys put well I think those were in there originally. 04:10:05
Just the three-year average, The three-year average, yeah, total. 04:10:14
And then 2024 requested budget was 14,000 on the support Trust Bank fee. 04:10:18
Umm, it was set at 10524, right? Yeah. And that's what was presented last month at our meeting is the 10524 because. 04:10:25
The default was between your average for non pay. 04:10:33
Something. 04:10:43
Mm-hmm. 04:10:44
Mm-hmm. And what? 04:10:59
Every time. 04:11:02
No, I mean. 04:11:09
I think it's important to keep in mind. 04:11:11
At least as long as I've been on the council and Councilman Emery can can, uh, umm, go back further than I can. 04:11:13
It's very rare. If not I I don't know if it's ever really happened that anyone gets everything to ask for in a budget cycle. 04:11:20
And so if, if, if, in fact where where we started with all of the requests, what was that number? It was like 46 five or 04:11:28
something. Yeah. So I mean this is traditionally what's what happens, we get the request and we have to wiggle them down, come to 04:11:34
and so nobody gets what they ask for, have. 04:11:41
This year and. 04:11:49
From this year, For next. 04:11:52
Mm-hmm. 04:11:56
Right. 04:11:58
I don't really know my budget and so for other people to make, but it's something that I I just keep the same as what the previous 04:12:01
front has been. 04:12:06
On the operating. 04:12:11
I. 04:12:15
If I can't make this work then. 04:12:16
What I'm supposed to do is come back and ask before. 04:12:19
It's it's it's very close to the 23 budget on your operational budgets, not non salary, aren't that far off a few thousand. But is 04:12:24
there something you want to change? 04:12:30
Support that they. 04:12:37
So does it make you feel a lot more comfortable if we would just take that one specifically and put it to 14,000? 04:12:41
Well, yeah. 04:12:47
I originally had proposed 11,000 on that. I had sent that to you and you said you could make that work at 11. Yeah, you did. 04:12:50
OK, so. 04:12:59
Then the final for my first budget is. 04:13:01
Umm, 7703 thousand. 04:13:07
That's what's currently doing for those, yeah. 04:13:14
OK. And then the, UMM, the 40 budget, you know that we did reimburse. 04:13:17
Yes. 04:13:27
Yeah, I think it looks like it's only. 04:13:31
Things there was. 04:13:34
We didn't quite get. 04:13:37
We we did the 5% pay increase in volume. 04:13:40
And then we we did on some of the non pay lines go back to that three-year average due because that was yeah that was the default. 04:13:45
That we started with. 04:13:53
Actually. 04:13:55
I'm. 04:14:08
It looks like that would have been the 5%. 04:14:24
Yeah, we could gladly bring that down if you'd like us to. 04:14:39
Yeah. Yeah. So we can bring that to 45. 04:14:44
You have that over lips only, like the chain window that was from what you requested with the abdomen to the motor for motor 04:14:48
scores. 04:14:52
It has to be the 30,000. 04:15:00
Yeah, that's broken. 04:15:13
I think everything's well. 04:15:18
That we did before. 04:15:40
No more than what we had originally discussed in The Land. 04:15:42
We have there. 04:15:48
This is. 04:15:57
Probably next year we're going to know a little bit better. 04:15:58
How many? 04:16:02
You probably need to check some of those blinds there. Umm, I'm looking to see originally what you and I had talked about. 04:16:06
What is the number? No election, sorry. 04:16:17
Now it's just going to be a presidential year. 04:16:32
Issue for. 04:16:48
Absentee voter. 04:16:51
Operating supply. 04:17:03
I had your 17 on that. I don't know what you need out of the operating supplies that we should do. 04:17:07
He did the three-year average on that one. 04:17:15
The The 2200. 04:17:20
OK. 04:17:29
The repairs and maintenance. 04:17:30
Medications and transportation. What's in the communication and transportation there? 04:17:44
Just a 7800. 04:18:06
I I think this is part of the difficulty of us trying to. 04:18:18
Address so many of the compensation. 04:18:30
Usually we have a little bit of a surplus, so when department has elected officials come and ask for more money mid year there's 04:18:33
money to give. What we're working on now we're happening on our budget. I mean, umm, so somehow we have to get the numbers that 04:18:38
work for everybody. 04:18:44
Umm. 04:18:50
And if we're if we get down to our 43 five total budget, that means every, every penny of revenue. So we're gonna need office 04:18:51
holders and and department. 04:18:57
Too. 04:19:04
Right, right. 04:19:07
Yeah. 04:19:09
And I'm not, I'm not suggesting that you're you're incorrect on that. I'm just saying the reality is whatever we end up with, we 04:19:11
state is 43, five is our target number that you know. 04:19:16
There's there's not a lot of room. 04:19:23
For your money like. 04:19:27
It will be a presidential year. Yeah, so. So maybe we move that one back to 80 with the being a presidential year. 04:19:29
I I I guess, but actually. 04:19:38
So then, are we good on those budgets? 04:19:49
Thank you. 04:19:54
So where are we at total? Where are we at total one Are we done with? 04:19:59
Think so. So we're we're. 04:20:03
Yeah. So unless there's anyone else that has any departments there really, so that we could, we didn't take a raise in the 04:20:08
council, right. Right. 04:20:12
And that's for the matrix and the shares. Uh, the CEO, the jail and and and that. 04:20:19
516 or $520,000 from those. 04:20:30
Dispatch but that doesn't. 04:20:35
Like the officials really need that compared to. And so he's like, I'm open to that, but I still wanna hear what you did for the 04:20:39
other department. I can't hear you. 04:20:42
I said I still wanna hear what Rob's proposal did to the other department stand that talked about a lot of departments. I didn't. 04:20:47
Umm, we left. We left. 04:20:56
Thanks. 04:20:58
Prison field is it? Would it be OK to just go to the very top department and just quickly kind of scroll through so that everyone 04:21:00
can see the council numbers column and that should show everybody, uh, what's different from at least the original request and 04:21:05
from the 23 budget? 04:21:10
And that should show people. 04:21:16
Changes. 04:21:19
So I have a question. Umm. 04:21:24
Umm the auditor and the chief deputy. So I know the miscellaneous fund had an increase of $2000 on each of those line items for 04:21:27
salary. 04:21:31
Umm, in this line of funds? Umm. And it's my understanding it hasn't changed since the last time you got those in our budget 04:21:37
collector book. 04:21:40
In the I don't know if it's the one 881 or the 12:16, I can't remember. 04:21:52
There was an increase umm for both the elected official from 12,000 to 14 five and then the chief deputy from 9:52 11/5/52. 04:22:00
And I'm fine with that increase there, but then I don't think we should have such a large increase on the general fund side. 04:22:12
That's a $2500 increase on the elected official and then that's an additional. 04:22:21
2525 hundred dollars increase on the Chief Deputy as well. 04:22:32
So the way that Rob's proposal is, is they're getting the 5% raise and then they're also getting the raises from the supplemental 04:22:44
funds. So they're getting a greater than 5% raise. Well, it's already in. Yeah, maybe our auditor can clarify this. 04:22:51
Before you make it spectacle, how the whole thing, I already told you at the last meeting, those could be reduced to last year. So 04:22:59
before there's a big production, those will go back, uh, to that number. They're advertised at that at that amount because we 04:23:04
didn't know what you're gonna do on an increase. 04:23:09
So we put those in there with an increase in there. That salary ordinance will read whatever percentage you give, whoever those 04:23:15
people are, whether it's me or somebody else. So if there's a if, there's an increase on. 04:23:22
You're not in the supplemental sun, Are you in the general fund? 04:23:29
UH can be reduced to last year minus whatever increase you intend to do in other funds, if that's OK. 04:24:08
If it's 5%, it's you're doing a 5% in the general budget and a 5% increase in the other budget. My total pay comes from two 04:24:16
places, I understand, so it would just be. 04:24:21
5% of the number is 5%. 04:24:27
No matter where it comes from, so but it. 04:24:29
The amount we advertise, I think we advertise actually all the cash we have in that in that umm positive sales fund which is not 04:24:34
on the screen. But uh, that's a fund that we go out and look for ineligible homesteads, people that aren't supposed to have 04:24:41
homesteads and they're back billed for that and that's where that money comes from. That money, that money according to state 04:24:47
statute cannot be used to set your tax rate and it's UH, it's for the UH auditors that are used as the as we see in his office, 04:24:53
but it is not. 04:25:00
To be, uh, included in setting your tax rate for the year. So Mr. Garger, what all fees come in to the plot? P part of the 04:25:06
platinum fees as transfers of properties. Yeah, the the transfer every time there's a transfer of a property within the county 04:25:14
then there's a fee for that transfer. I think it's $15 now and then So what you're saying is whether we gave you 5% out of that, I 04:25:21
don't pay down that. I can't get paid out of that. No, it's the home set in in eligibility. 04:25:29
That you get 5% of whatever fund. What do we do, general fund or whatever we do it. 04:26:12
Out of that one fund that whatever you guys choose, I mean from 12,000 to 14, five it would go from 12,600 bucks to 12, yeah, 04:26:19
$600.00 and umm the other one would be an increase of 4/4/63 that was rounded up. 04:26:27
And and again, this is consistent with what we're doing with other electric officials. So I don't think this is where we need to 04:26:37
spend a lot of time. I mean, well, I just wanted to clarify that. I know that Rick has said that, but then I asked about getting 04:26:42
those updated funds and you said nothing at you, nothing in those funds have been dealt with. No entries were made in any of the 04:26:47
any of the UH misplanes funds that I know of. 04:26:53
And then it looks like I'm remembering right, the rest of your employees are just getting 5%. 04:27:01
Uh. 04:27:09
Yeah, I get the general. I'm sorry, I'm over here. 04:27:11
Can you? 04:27:18
Scroll back down in time. 04:27:20
There's one. 04:27:25
Yeah, I'm sorry, the other way up, I guess. 04:27:28
Uh. 04:27:31
We'll find it. So maybe umm serve deputy was getting a 19.5% increase on top of. That's right. That was a a correction that is the 04:27:36
one that's coming from another fund with getting paid partially when we move those uh a few months ago and we umm. 04:27:45
We eliminated the position, which is the second position. I've eliminated UH which is one of the numbers that Jody mentioned 04:27:54
earlier. UH that goes back stays in the general fund which is the benefit. So umm, I don't reflecting that change that we already, 04:28:01
yes, it's it's taking that piece, that $50,000 position, it's taking that piece that wasn't another fund that can't continue to do 04:28:09
it forever, UH and put it back in the general fund. They were that third deputy and that. 04:28:16
UH 12th deputy. 04:28:24
Equal positions, one's MO, one's bookkeeping and distribution of funds to cities and towns among a variety of other things. And 04:28:27
the UH, I think the third deputy is the UH payroll deputy which which does that and UH among other fund, UMM fund balancing work. 04:28:36
So those are the two highest paid positions in in our office, far below what an accountant would make UMM. 04:28:45
You guys have accounting degree in that? 04:28:55
In those positions, right? No, you don't, no. 04:28:58
No, but you're comparing them to people who are doing that same work in an accounting field. 04:29:03
And that's what I, I'm sorry, but I'm speaking right now. Could I please speak? 04:29:09
I'll get that number for you. Hang on just a second and I'll get one more other question. And I'd like to be fair to everybody you 04:29:17
you've also you cut position last year and gave significant ranges, a few others. Why is the 33,000 on some level? 04:29:24
And other employees, is it the work they do? I mean, because you got totally the work they do. 04:29:31
Umm, you're talking about the people at that 31 and change because you mean you can see the difference? 04:29:37
Like you got more unemployed. That was only 30. 04:29:43
The fixed DEP. 04:29:46
Right, you get it. You'll have to look at that three-year average if you go over the 22 budget that's that's what they're they 04:29:49
were making in 22. OK. So the three-year average would carry those numbers over to UH to UH in that column and my request was 34 04:29:56
five the 5% gives them 338340 I believe so if you did. 04:30:03
From the some people on their their accounting work and and some people do not. 04:30:12
Umm, let's see. 04:30:20
I'm sorry, what's your question? No, no, Yeah, I'm just trying to be, I mean, I mean. 04:30:29
Customer minority got a thing today and I don't know where she got it from, she told me. 04:30:36
That. 04:30:42
Do you want some prosperity, Indiana or the? 04:30:43
The the lower the matching kind of averages to rent. 04:30:48
Despite well the 33,000 you said the average dollar just 3036 thousand 36,000. So and that's where I got what I'm going through 04:30:52
and I see that in this county that places are. So I'm trying to wanna keep them for you, but I'm trying. I just didn't understand. 04:31:00
And it. 04:31:09
Last year you kept the position, you gained certain and then we've got points of 33,000 I'm thinking. 04:31:10
Can we lose them? So I'm trying to look at the future. Can we lose those because they're paying, Paying the less just for that can 04:31:16
they make it on that it goes somewhere else and. 04:31:20
I don't know what their home finance is, uh situation is, so I can't answer that. So what what you're asking me is should the 04:31:25
34,000 person be making the same as the 50,000 person? And I'm saying that's no. 04:31:31
You know, reports one thing, but we also have to look at. 04:31:38
Right. Comparable wages if they were doing something else in, in another department or in another UH organization. I mean, you 04:31:42
know, there's still private sector people making salaries as, you know, low 30s depending on what they're doing. So you know. 04:31:49
Yeah, you're you're not gonna get me to argue to reduce salary. I'm always gonna be an advocate for them. Umm, making it. I'm 04:31:58
sorry. 04:32:02
So uh, but what I will say is I don't want you on your own moving that the changes I made to do away with an employee and filed 04:32:09
workloads on people. 04:32:14
Calls for that $50,000 salary, and what I don't want you is shrinking that gap again. So if you move one up, I wanna see them go 04:32:20
up. Umm, equally. 04:32:24
If that makes any sense. 04:32:31
Well, is there any more time when you spend on the others budget and nothing on past the process was fine? 04:32:36
Central records, probably UMM. 04:32:45
I had increased the camera operators a little more than that, but I'm willing to confess, confess and confessional. You're 04:32:49
speaking your mic. I can't hear you. Sorry, I'm also mumbling. I said I had taken the camera operators up to 3328. 04:32:56
But I understand that we're already needing custom numbers, so I'm willing to have a concession on that right now. 04:33:04
What part were you looking at? Umm, Camera operator. Central records. Oh, sorry, Central records. OK, well, that's not the camera 04:33:13
operators. That's under security. 04:33:17
Well, that's no, it's under Central Records. 04:33:22
25% of records. 04:33:26
OK, yeah, the camera operators like I discussed with a few of you. Umm. 04:33:32
We did raises. 04:33:40
Where we needed. 04:33:42
By their job they do. 04:33:45
They they sit in A room. 04:33:48
And watch screens. 04:33:51
What you have proposed at $17.00 an hour. 04:33:53
Was as much, if not more than the person that is fixing the plumbing. 04:33:57
And scrubbing the floors in here. So that's where I don't agree with on that. I didn't have them at 17, but that's OK. They 04:34:02
weren't at 17, they were at 16, but that's OK 16. 04:34:09
Umm. 04:34:16
That is, it's not a high skill set job. 04:34:18
That is the entry level position. 04:34:23
And I think that when we just lumped in the 5%. 04:34:26
That we were giving them. I think that's where, since I'm here, can I go ahead and pull mine up? 04:34:30
Did you wanna do security first? 04:34:36
Sure, we'll do security, because there shouldn't have been much change on security. 04:34:37
From last year. 04:34:42
Uh, it looks like Umm. 04:34:46
Yeah. 04:34:50
Yeah, I didn't think there was much there. And umm, what original numbers? 04:34:52
We're not going to even pull blood out of that. 04:34:59
And then what's the other 100? 04:35:04
OK. 04:35:08
And I'm sorry that you didn't wanna break. I just assumed that you would want a 5% like everybody else. 04:35:14
Yeah, I'm one of the lowest paid department. 04:35:25
But there's two things again. 04:35:36
So. 04:35:39
So if you're OK with that, I'm OK with that. 04:35:41
Why didn't we see your ground? I just, I know we talked on the phone, but I didn't actually think about the someone I. 04:35:46
Umm, yeah, I mean your budget. 04:36:03
Was less. 04:36:06
What your 23 budget was and so we we didn't do much cutting on that one. 04:36:08
I've done the rate as it was made from it in the personnel committee meeting I found the raise for the people that needed one 04:36:14
within my budget and then when we had the hearing. 04:36:20
Right off the top there I give them back $40,000. So I was just seeing if anything else has been trimmed out of it. Uh, I know one 04:36:27
of them projected thinking my overtime. 04:36:32
Thank you, Mickey, out of my overtime. 04:36:39
Yes, well, I have it at 65165 hundred. Yeah, the reason why? 04:36:42
Is do I have to juggle with it? Well wait a second, the the overtime. 04:36:48
I played with the numbers in the summertime and get. 04:36:53
I can't judge. In the winter time, past three winters, we have heavy snow. 04:36:57
For what? 04:37:01
I get a bad winter, I'll burn through that and two good stuff going. 04:37:03
So we work with the comp time. 04:37:07
We can. Now that is an unforeseen. I don't know. 04:37:11
Umm, most of that other stuff like I explained our 390 account. 04:37:17
There was one project to settle. 04:37:22
Umm, how can you go down a little? 04:37:27
I think the only other one I talked to you about this machinery and equipment you thought you need 120 and that for the two things 04:37:34
you're looking at purchasing. 04:37:37
No. 04:37:47
This is where we're gonna get into this. 04:37:49
Machinery and equipment if you look on a news in the past week. 04:37:52
Vehicles are skyrocketed to UAW. I'm gonna pick them up, yes. I can't help that. That's fine. So that one needs to say because our 04:37:56
vehicles are. 04:38:02
So yeah, if that's if that's where we're at, I can miss her. 04:38:09
That was what I requested and I found my races where I needed to in there. 04:38:15
One second. 04:38:23
OK, so let me ask the Council to clarify some. 04:38:27
I think, Councilman Gill, you commented on this. 04:38:33
With uh 1.5 million. 04:38:36
And we paid the chef fund. 04:38:38
We budgeted 1.5 and and and my understanding from the share because he was not meeting with Rick. 04:38:41
Our cost is gonna be 400,000 a year to keep that up, so why are we keeping money in there to earn interest? 04:38:49
No. So first I think it was was up 1.2 or 1.2 last year 1.2293 that we were and we appropriated one point almost 1.6 which right. 04:38:55
So the idea is 1 not spend every penny that we have umm. 04:39:04
But also specifically with the public safety, knowing that we have this ongoing issue with the dispatch center, UH, with funding 04:39:14
for that, we have a jail project that we're, you know, at the beginning stages of umm, there's a lot of unknowns there and you 04:39:21
know with if you just look at the interest rate increase, it's gonna affect our grounding. Umm. 04:39:28
Being able to utilize some of that, if it's possible to cover some upfront costs and not have to price those, umm might say the 04:39:37
taxpayers a lot of money And so if we burn every penny of that, umm. 04:39:42
You know. 04:39:49
We're doing a tail project without any. 04:39:51
Extra there. Umm, in our recurring budget. Umm. 04:39:54
So you know in present Steel's budget he was considering using some of that to help us but not the not the whole shock but but but 04:39:58
we got told we're gonna have basically one more million. 04:40:05
To pay that off we all voted for it. We have 11 roughly about 800,000 we use we use 350,000 for the. So you already got from that 04:40:12
from the food. You would pay for the food out of $850,000 and then we're. 04:40:19
We're back up. We've essentially spent another $1,000,000 and on top of the 3.5 or 43.5 million. 04:40:28
Because we're just shifting rather than putting in the general fund a $2,000,000 increase in general, you're doing a 2 million 04:40:37
increase in general and 950,000 in UMM or 850,000 in public safety. So you're. 04:40:45
1.1 million when we paid off the shares retirement, that's really not an increase, it's actually a decrease over this year's 04:40:55
budget. Yeah, that's no problem. 04:41:00
I mean the the, the appropriation for the public safety. 04:41:08
Is more than last year's appropriation. 04:41:13
It's $4,000,448.22. I didn't say that right. 4,448,022 dollars is what the appropriation is now. Last year it was 3,000,600 and 04:41:17
60,606. Is that including the? 04:41:25
Retirement, that's a full amount of 1.41 point five. Yeah, exactly. I mean, last year we appropriated 1.2. The difference was I 04:41:34
think Rick and Rick's not here, but we, we elected to also accelerate that knowing we're having extra money. And so that's why it 04:41:41
increased year over year and we decided just to pay it off. 04:41:48
So it would be back to about 400,000 as opposed to whatever it's in there, it's 1.4 or 1.5. 04:41:55
So to be concrete it costs how much for the shares retirement a year comes from. It's it's around 400 around 415, 2020, 5000, 04:42:02
we're we're not gonna know the full. 04:42:07
Right, right. I understand that's right. OK, OK. I just want well it depends on staff and who we can we paying in. 04:42:14
Position. 04:42:22
OK, so we just sent your records, yes, yes. 04:42:26
And now we're on the course. 04:42:30
Uh. 04:42:53
So, umm, I left the Master commissioners at. 04:42:55
Salary. 04:42:58
But I reduced the main court reported to 49,000 and I reduced the other court reporters to 44. 04:43:00
Across the board. 04:43:07
I really, I mean, knowing the struggles that the courts have I I that's a hard decision to make only for a few $2000 per employee. 04:43:19
Well, I mean, unless you wanna. 04:43:24
There's been 45,000, just about a $22.00 level which you wanna send people up to. 04:43:30
Like again, I'm going back to that if we're going from 45 to 44. 04:43:39
We're cutting $1000, we're saving $1000 per employee on that. That's not gonna add up to a whole lot. When we're looking at being 04:43:43
under add by over $500,000 right now, I mean we can get to the point where we. 04:43:49
You know, if if if we get to a point where we just need to get $20,000, I might be more willing to consider some of those things. 04:43:56
But at a certain point we have to figure out how are we gonna get, you know. 04:44:01
400 + 1000 dollars that we're not gonna do it by cutting $1000 on decent employees that have. 04:44:07
Known to be very difficult to retain income. 04:44:13
I'm saying how many? 04:44:19
I had a thought. Let me just a broad thought. 04:44:22
With your nutrition. 04:44:28
If we put a higher imprison. 04:44:30
It's just that, nutrition. 04:44:32
And we cross train employees because we don't know what the future holds. There could be several things in the pie. 04:44:36
And I like how far Mckellar's idea of tiers, what's important to the taxpayers of this county. What's the fund? So we gotta look 04:44:43
through the future, not just year to year anymore. And I and I'm we're seeing something, it's a businesses are doing just that. 04:44:50
So I'm just offering something to look at that. 04:44:58
I mean, some businesses are doing that, big businesses are doing it. 04:45:02
I mean considering I can't reduce the insurance even though we saved almost $400,000 basically on the employees that we. 04:45:06
Had some pretty big hits and I I wish John was here to explain it, but that means rebuilt back I I understand that and I'm just 04:45:16
saying that 200,000. 04:45:20
But if we can't do that, what they're saying we can't do that. I'm saying that, umm. 04:45:26
You know. 04:45:31
The course still got a substantial increase from where they were at. 04:45:33
My latest took 120,000 out of there. 04:45:39
Last month. 04:45:42
I mean for so. 04:45:45
Right. It took 120,000 out of there for different an insurance, yeah. 04:45:47
We we need to study. Umm, talking among ourselves here. Thank you. 04:46:01
No, I'm, I'm not. I'm not pointing to that. I'm still saying I'm not really going back there. I'm just saying if you can't do 04:46:10
that, umm, you know, that was part of the savings that, you know, the court was recognizing the fact that they had eliminated 04:46:16
positions and have saved insurance, OK. But you're saying we can't do that? I didn't say we couldn't. It was estimated that we 04:46:23
were going to need that for some safety. Uh, also to build back that, umm, not the retirement. 04:46:29
Health Care Reserve Fund. And I'm all for that. 04:46:37
That's our employees. That's I no, I agree. I think we need to build it up. I think we need to take any extra money we have and 04:46:41
put it in there, but. 04:46:45
Deducting it's just you're you're just taking right from that time of them. 04:46:49
I I don't see how you're well. I would really like the council to make. I don't know if it's a resolution or whatever we have to 04:46:55
pass. All right. You're talking about taking from it in the future. I agree with you. Yeah. I I, I think we all support that 04:47:01
because that that's protection of our employees. What they pay them, we're paying into them, yes. 04:47:06
I thought you were talking about a budget. My apology. 04:47:14
The court's request of 5.6% does not include any calculation for insurance savings. 04:47:18
So there should be some overall insurance savings if we're taking some employees, but. 04:47:27
That does it. 04:47:31
Also, I'm not gonna have an insurance increase this year which what we have last year 1.6 million. 04:47:33
Was it 1.6 we increased the healthcare? Yeah, we had to deal with last year and it's kind of leveled off. Umm. 04:47:39
We're gonna take advantage of that and build. 04:47:49
Build that back, there will be additional savings, but in the effort to present an accurate and transparent budget, those numbers 04:47:52
that we did not have available as hard numbers we did not include. 04:47:58
You you don't say anything on the insurance because we're self insured, you could add 10 employees. 04:48:06
Dollar amount wouldn't change. You could do wave 10 employees. Dollar amount doesn't change. 04:48:13
Now there's a breaking point there somewhere, but you're talking about one or two or four or five people, as it makes no 04:48:17
difference on the insurance. 04:48:21
Shouldn't cut it so uh, because it's not gonna go down. 04:48:26
In fact, they're all going out, so. 04:48:29
Umm. 04:48:33
We're we're self insured. It's different than what you're thinking about. No, I understand that. 04:48:34
Should be self intrusion. Yeah. To take that, it's the same thing. You can't count employees one by one and think the dollar 04:48:40
amount's gonna change up or down on the premium. I just know originally when when the proposal was set forth, umm, you know, they 04:48:46
felt like the fact at least maybe it was misconstrued to me that you know, we saved money in that as well. You know that that 04:48:53
would help with the the increases and I'm talking of course, you know, their increases on some of these. 04:49:00
I understand what they're wanting to do. I I do. And I'm not opposed to. I don't. It's not that I don't think the corporate 04:49:07
programs are worth it. I do. 04:49:10
Umm. 04:49:15
I just think that. 04:49:17
I think 49 and 44 is still a good salary. That's just my own. I was only here to talk about the insurance, so related to the judge 04:49:19
for that program. 04:49:23
And then the other thing was that was a huge increase was. 04:49:30
Oh. 04:49:37
Support administrator. 04:49:41
That was a that was a over a 50% increase, almost a 50% increase, not over, but almost a 50% increase based on that line item 04:49:46
alone. 04:49:50
Yes. Can you relate to that was such a bit? Well, that's huge. 04:49:56
Absolutely. It is our long time for administrator is retiring. 04:50:01
And he is. 04:50:06
He'll be retiring next year and in order to recruit a high quality candidate, the salary has to be competitive and it takes 04:50:09
getting into that much into six figures to recruit a high quality court administrator. 04:50:16
Are you wanting any special qualifications with the new person coming in, or potentially a legal degree? 04:50:23
Oh. 04:50:30
Is that what may I ask for? 04:50:34
I never had one for a long time. What we've done when we're doing now, thanks change, I mean. 04:50:37
Why a legal degree? Yeah. I mean, it's never been like that now. Why do we have a legal degree now? 04:50:42
You want a legal degree in there now because it's never been like correct the ability of the court administrator to perform a 04:50:48
multitude of duties that will be enhanced by potentially having a legal degree. 04:50:53
So out of curiosity, I know attorneys rely heavily on the paralegals to have a lot of knowledge of law. 04:51:01
But they're not attorneys. 04:51:08
Umm, with somebody not like that. He's very qualified for that kind of position. 04:51:11
Pot. 04:51:16
I I'm, I'm guessing judge this, this number probably also came from researching surrounding counties and what they're paying 04:51:18
reported administrators whether they have a certain degree or not that's going to be a going, going salary for that test 04:51:24
positioner. Is that correct to recruit a high quality? Yes, absolutely. 04:51:29
All I'm saying is, at the end of the day, it'd be great if we could give everybody exactly what they want, but we can't. And 04:51:38
that's just where I'm coming from. The courts have reduced 7 positions and a 5.6% increase is a reasonable request, right? It's 04:51:45
not a 30%, it's not a 50%, it's not, uh, 17%. But across these three budgets, working with the departments together, public 04:51:52
defender, the courts and problem solving courts, we've put together a reasonable number by. 04:52:00
Again, reducing physicians, these are consolidations and reductions that will have an impact on operations, but we've done that in 04:52:07
order to target the areas where we need the most help and the most immediately for reporters, we have to have that. 04:52:15
Things will only get worse in recruiting a new court administrator. We have to have that kind of salary to be able to recruit the 04:52:23
candidate that we need going forward. 04:52:28
This budget wasn't put together Willy nilly. It wasn't designed on a napkin it's been put together with. 04:52:34
Months of preparation, hard choices being made with employees, such reductions this, this wasn't something that was haphazard. 04:52:41
We're looking at strategic increases for the most important employees in our operations at this time. So when you say 7 cuts, are 04:52:48
you talking about the three and the public defenders as well? Yes. 04:52:54
OK. Well, those didn't decrease up a lot, I mean because they just increased their salary almost like twice as much. That's not 04:53:01
correct. It was twice as much. It's almost, it's taken almost not off totally like Mr. Williams budget and he's not here to speak 04:53:07
to that. Well, I I went from 40 something to 79 or 78 something like that. So it wasn't really it. I mean I get that we got we 04:53:13
don't have the employees, we don't have the insurance issue there which is why the court presented all of those numbers together. 04:53:19
That's 5.6%. 04:53:25
Included the reduction. 04:53:32
In in in my time on the Council, the course have historically always. 04:53:34
Made hard decisions, made cuts, you know, made sacrifices in some areas to try to do what they could, umm to to become more 04:53:41
efficient in what they do. And so I think this just reflects that as well. But they've broadened it to umm, you know, public 04:53:50
defenders and. Yeah, as well. So I really, I agree with the judge considering the revenue increase and considering the. 04:53:58
Significantly higher percentages of increases that we're giving to some other departments. 04:54:07
You know, this is a, in my view, a department. We need to, umm, look for reductions in and. 04:54:14
You know we. 04:54:21
You know, the Sheriff's Department, the jail, the prosecutors, that that the courts. We need everybody that's involved in 04:54:25
providing safety for our community. 04:54:30
To have the tools they need to do that and if we leave one of those departments. 04:54:36
You know, we've seen conflicts of that greens where then you have employees jumping from one department to another and that one 04:54:41
department loses a lot of their their. 04:54:45
History and their their knowledge base. And so again. 04:54:50
With what we're considering for other departments, I I just really don't think this is unreasonable, right? So I'm looking looking 04:54:54
at the research and the council numbers. It looks to me like you left the course alone, Everything they requested they got and the 04:54:59
only difference would be longevity. Is that an accurate statement? 04:55:04
And we didn't change anything. How many positions did you? 04:55:11
This is all seven. Can you cut 7 positions out? 04:55:16
Consolidated to Republic Defend. 04:55:21
A floating court reporter and then bayless positions on the farmers do that. We've been good saying we wouldn't. And I really like 04:55:24
your presentation during the budget workshop. I thought it's very well thought out and put together. Thank you. 04:55:31
And I get some. 04:55:41
Where else do you grew up? 04:55:44
I think there's an Oscar open. Other uh. 04:55:46
Non. 04:55:54
I don't think anything contractual. 04:55:56
And then umm. 04:56:01
Think because the the general amount was last less than the prior year. 04:56:04
What are we on, accounting agent? I can't hear you, County agent? 04:56:11
I. 04:56:17
Before the assessment, page eight. Oh yeah. 04:56:23
Before the assessment, yes. 04:56:27
No, finished, sorry. 04:56:30
I can recommend 2C's. 04:56:34
Yeah, so the rent. 04:56:39
They reflected the 5173 and they needed it to be the for the computer. Yeah, sure. And you've got that you you've got several 04:56:42
things here, but I think maybe you did the three-year average. 04:56:48
Well, some of these numbers other services and charges in the accounting agent that was a an adjustment basically you take that UH 04:56:55
200 and 9:30 and put it into the proper lines, right. I remember that in the 167,000 the kind of agent that is it right there 04:57:02
contract contractual with Purdue. 04:57:09
Uh, the other rentals, they were reflecting that for laptops and they don't have the option to buy the laptops. They have to let 04:57:17
them. They're talking about 3700 lines, yes? 04:57:22
So I don't know if taking this or your average on that is going to be sufficient. 04:57:28
Last year's budget was 4000 and we take it through that and because they historically only spent 2400 a weekend. 04:57:43
That way you wanna do is just put that at 4000. I'm OK with that. I'm not comfortable with cutting it all the way down to the 04:57:58
2400. 04:58:02
Can the assistant be super, You know, Commission at least. 04:58:19
What's this one, Uh, Commissioner? 04:58:39
So we have a lot of some of that fixed. 04:58:45
Formulas for FICO. 04:58:49
The. 04:58:54
No, I can't find it now. 04:59:20
I had a question about the Cemetery Commission. 04:59:34
That one, uh, they requested 6000 and you had it at 2000. 04:59:37
And I believe you did the three-year average on that because there wasn't any signatures for 2021 or 2022. 04:59:43
And umm. 04:59:52
I wasn't sure on that as 2000 was appropriate. I think we also looked at UH spent year to date on that account and they hadn't 04:59:53
done anything with it, not very much so. 04:59:59
And then the other one. 05:00:12
Oh. 05:00:14
The drainage assessment was cut 15,000 from the commissioners budget. 05:00:18
Uh. 05:00:28
What was the purpose of that? 05:00:29
I only. 05:00:36
When I talk to voters, one of the biggest issues they tell me is about flooding and drainage issues in the county, so. 05:00:37
I feel like that may be something that people would be a different. 05:00:44
Oh, OK. 05:00:50
That you have on there. 05:01:00
I was thinking like. 05:01:03
OK. So on the loan repayment, he had asked for 410 and you put 4:15 as the reason you raised that, yes. Umm. 05:01:09
Which one is that? Fine. 05:01:22
Remediation, I think it. I think it's. 05:01:24
I. 05:01:27
I was thinking it was 200 or uh. 05:01:29
You have 207 1/2. So I think we looked, you looked it up or it's a number you don't get until you don't know what it is. So it's 05:01:33
it's an amortization schedule, but that's the remediation of the County Courthouse. I wanna say it's 207,000 1/2. I'm not sure 05:01:40
what we spend three years ago. Yeah, I think we put it before. 05:01:47
Yeah. I think it's 2207 twice a year, so. 05:01:55
It's at least 414. So those those first two years is in the beginning. So maybe it was prorated. I don't, I don't really know the 05:01:59
answer. OK, that makes sense. 05:02:03
Mr. Garner, how much did pressure get back? 05:02:10
This. How much did they give back, really out of last year? Back to the general point for 22. I I don't know. I'd have, I don't 05:02:13
know. They did something though, didn't they? Umm, I believe, let it roll back to the general. Yeah, I'm sure nobody spends. 05:02:20
Every penny of their budget because it's something we're gonna roll back. But I I I couldn't answer that question right now. Do 05:02:28
you have that or I can I can find out what each and every department that'd be inter. I mean that's to me you know we're sitting 05:02:33
here saying that but then we need to look at last year you know it varies year to year you you've got you've got in the past too 05:02:38
where umm. 05:02:43
There's been additional appropriations through the. 05:02:50
Uh, just give it. For example, it was 300 and something $1000 worth of additional appropriations and we spent like 30 of it. So, 05:02:53
umm, that kind of stuff you could keep an eye on probably, right. But it'd be nice to know that how much came back. I mean, if you 05:02:59
can do anything with it, yeah, I can get that for you. 05:03:04
So are you looking at? 05:03:10
Taking 200,000 from the. 05:03:12
911 call center and putting it in public safety, are you thinking about doing that? Yeah, I mean that's the only thing we have to 05:03:18
move. I mean that's just a single line item that we can move partially and just do with with one line item cover if we're gonna 05:03:23
choose to decide. 05:03:28
OK. 05:03:35
So we do. 05:03:36
Not, not, not for sure. It's just something we're thinking about. Oh, yeah, OK. 05:03:38
Alright, when that corner. 05:03:48
I know Adam came in and redid worked with the auditor. 05:03:53
And all the deputies. 05:04:02
Part time. 05:04:04
We moved everybody into part time, which gives you a little more flexibility I'd assume, right so. 05:04:06
Two things, not the three, four things that we talked about and it's very brief. So as you know. 05:04:13
Mm-hmm. Did meet with Mr. Garner and then make a few suggestions. 05:04:20
Umm, National services obviously was an increase and moving salaries. So we're gonna talk time to moving it on one month and walk 05:04:27
through and part time 94.5 and my current IO6 deputies have been taking about $15.00 an hour. They find a good eight, which is 05:04:33
what I mean takes the 11:35. 05:04:40
I don't want to make you know with an increase moving in our direction that's that's the options that I'm looking at. 05:04:47
Maybe on a business patch. Uh, we'll go. 05:04:54
Definitely here on 4/22 or 23. 05:05:02
Professional services. 05:05:06
If I stay on the end of 100 point 5.35. 05:05:09
Transportation down a little bit, that fluctuates just like everything else, but looking 20 to 25,000 hopefully. 05:05:16
Which we're also reinguishing the number this price. 05:05:26
Discussion at the moment. 05:05:34
It is going to be reduced, I just can't remember. 05:05:37
Now, you just didn't any longevity, is that because? 05:05:42
OK. 05:05:47
Look at the numbers and I I think we can live within it for the most part. But again, I can't. I can't see how many people are 05:05:56
going fast. If the numbers are more than 125, I'm going to be above that. Every year is total software. He cuts calls for 50. 05:06:04
Begin. 05:06:12
He negotiated that doing obsoxy down to what, 15 something? 05:06:13
UH no 17150 moving from October 1st of this year. 05:06:17
Because I changed pathologies the the other our old pathologists raised rich from 1550 to 2200 so you already saved us saving 05:06:22
money there but it's still gonna be an increase But if we take the average of the one point 5.2 at 1750 it's true 19,000 and 05:06:30
change plus the micro transportation comes on top of that which I have that built into professional services by also have another 05:06:37
little bit of money and there's another line on something we can move for transportation if we have to if we go over. 05:06:45
Uh, also when you negotiate that price, can they come in anytime, Is that on paper price for a certain amount of time or can they 05:06:54
just come in and say, hey, we're raising it again for the autopsies? Yeah, that's completely set by the pathology, so they can 05:07:01
come in anytime. Yes. Now the the increase in October was I was advised in September, OK, so I I went. 05:07:08
And did some homework and and found another group. Umm just as qualified everybody all within the rights for adults and Pediatrics 05:07:15
and everything that we need for forensic pathology groups and Umm. 05:07:21
Surprised you. 05:07:29
But again, I I can't say you can't control that. No, no. And I and I can't control how many that's happened and I can't guess, but 05:07:31
I can stay on average if it goes up or down. 05:07:35
I'll let you know. 05:07:40
So your three-year average for professional services is 246,000. So that's roughly $5000 more than what you're requesting. But yet 05:07:41
the autopsies have increased $200 per autopsy. 05:07:49
That's correct. I've moved some other money in other line items to help with transportation if we have to. OK, I'm just going off 05:07:56
and it. I'm just going off the average. 05:08:02
The average of 125.2 autopsies, and that's strictly from the health department, from the state of what we submit documentation 05:08:08
for, that's the number. 05:08:12
I can't. 05:08:18
And then we'll have more or less I. 05:08:19
It's probably more, but I don't. I don't know. That's a five year average 125 velocity times an additional $200. That's with the 05:08:22
new number $17150 * 125.2 is not 219,000 and change. 05:08:30
OK, so. 05:08:39
On this one, my thought is it's actually a reduction in budget which helps us and it's what the office order these they need. 05:08:41
We're not making cuts to the request. And so I think we we move on. I just hope it works and hopefully I hope it doesn't work. I'm 05:08:47
just, yeah, please don't cut it. 05:08:52
That's what we need. 05:09:00
And then jump, but it didn't get we've been, I mean we're going to be doing more if you didn't renegotiate anyway, I'm sorry. I 05:09:02
mean we'd have been at more if you didn't renegotiate. We've been over 300,000, right, right. That's what I'm saying. So you thank 05:09:06
you for doing that. 05:09:11
Thank you. 05:09:16
And. 05:09:19
Transport. 05:09:21
I had a quick question on council. Can you answer a question? We haven't done that yet, but our sick pay increased to 150,000 from 05:09:25
120. 05:09:30
Somebody. 05:09:35
A couple of people with high seniority and said they're going to retire, so we wanted to bump that up to 150. 05:09:38
OK. OK. So retirement comes out of there or the payouts, the payout we used to try to take care of an individual budget and? 05:09:45
It's unpredictable. Some people did or didn't retire. How much did we use last year paying out? I don't think we 100 and uh 224, 05:09:55
but I know that with several people that had a lot of same time, right and a couple different positions. So and then we didn't put 05:10:02
anything in operating supplies. I know in the past we've always spent money there. 05:10:09
That's coming out of some of the auditors. 05:10:18
Are you Are you on your budget? 05:10:20
Council's budget, so the state law changed this year that operating supplies. 05:10:23
Was a surprise. 05:10:29
Uh. 05:10:31
500 or 5500 and it's zero now. 05:10:33
4. 05:10:36
Yes, those are corner expenses where the corner did not pay the bills and then they canceled. 05:10:37
So you guys, you guys appropriated money in your budget and paid their bills because we were getting better notices. 05:10:44
And then? 05:10:50
We also. 05:10:52
Took off the communication and transportation and other services. 05:10:54
Yeah, that's that's what I started to speak to. I was on the wrong line that is. That's your travel and things for council, UH 05:10:58
training and things. But now the state statutes change where you could use the UH, the UH electric officials change UH funds. 05:11:05
Yes, OK. 05:11:16
Why was the 4400 machinery equipment she wrote out? 05:11:25
In the Council budget. 05:11:32
Machinery and equipment. 05:11:36
I think that was. 05:11:48
Let me start looking for cuts. 05:11:51
If I remember right, the three-year average on that one, it's like they had one year a few years ago and they spent money, but 05:12:00
then yeah, but then they typically don't spend any money for that, umm through your average. It really reflects umm what's 05:12:05
difficult. 05:12:10
And we already did the election board. 05:12:17
Emergency Management. 05:12:21
I know that they're on a pretty strong budget there, so I didn't know. 05:12:30
The. 05:12:42
And. 05:12:43
What can I be? Only like he did the three-year average on a couple and then everything else. I was just concerned about the 05:12:45
communication and transportation is not where there's gas to come out of there. 05:12:52
Communication and transportation is at the gas line, the organization. 05:13:12
OK. 05:13:18
All right. I don't know any other questions. I'm good with that one. 05:13:28
Human resources. 05:13:34
The only question I had in that budget was, umm. I know that she had talked about wanting to implement a new program for new 05:13:38
employees exiting employees. 05:13:43
And she was talking that it was going to be $7000 for that program. Is that something? 05:13:48
That out of. 05:13:54
Or I mean, I don't know. 05:13:56
I guess that was another one of them where we we were just having to start making reductions because of the pay increases and so 05:14:00
we first of all three-year after something happened, OK. 05:14:05
So it. 05:14:15
Good to go there. 05:14:17
How do you, uh, go down and he's done? 05:14:45
Yep, she's an alternate. Similarly, doesn't have any. 05:14:52
I I I only question I haven't given up probation is there was one line item that was originally umm officer four was at 68694 and 05:14:56
it was only appropriated 57930. I'm assuming that maybe that's the new person in there or something yeah. 05:15:02
Right, right in there. 05:15:16
OK. 05:15:21
The secretary two. Yeah, I didn't know what that was That was, don't you? 05:15:31
OK. 05:15:37
Same as. 05:15:40
OK, so in our UH council members calling, is that what you requested? 05:15:43
As opposed to the 37334. 05:15:49
OK. 05:15:53
No. 05:15:54
Mm-hmm. 05:15:57
So I'm guessing that the reflection. 05:15:58
I'm not sure where. 05:16:06
I don't have them, OK. 05:16:14
Thank. 05:16:22
Hey, are we good there? 05:16:27
Now we've done that in triple C. 05:16:29
And there's nothing on there but. 05:16:35
Planning condition with I think. Umm. 05:16:39
Planning Commission. 05:16:50
Nothing is interesting. 05:16:51
Probation. Probation. 05:17:03
Uh, during the public safety? Oh yeah. 05:17:06
I don't think probation. 05:17:11
Preparation was given everything that they asked for. 05:17:20
This comes advocate. Let's see if it's an advocate. 05:17:34
Here we get to move on. 05:18:12
Andrew, yeah. Do you have anything you want to say? 05:18:20
We got $280 increase of .57%, so we can. 05:18:30
Work with it. 05:18:36
Now on the prosecutor's budget. 05:18:56
I just would have liked to have seen some of the lower pace get up a little bit higher. 05:19:00
But in order to do that, you're going to have. 05:19:07
I mean, I didn't go a lot higher than what you guys have, but I had them at. 05:19:10
Well, like the legal secretaries, I think Rob UH was at 39157 and I I certainly understand that I, I, I greatly value what they 05:19:15
do. The the problem is it's it's the free market. 05:19:21
Speaking in this context, if I. 05:19:28
Application up for UH legal secretary. I'm gonna have 20 qualified. 05:19:31
By the end of the week, if we put an application up for deputy prosecut. 05:19:35
To get 20 qualified applicants to take about 20 years. It it it doesn't happen, we have to beg, borrow and steal to try to find 05:19:41
any deputy prosecutor. So it's just a free market, Umm. 05:19:46
And I I don't, you know, I I completely value what our secretaries do. Umm, but it's just a difference in how are you gonna be 05:19:53
able to hire those people? 05:19:58
And quite frankly, we can find qualified applicants for those positions. We cannot find qualified applicants for prosecutors I 05:20:03
have. 05:20:07
Try to message people and try to, you know, go to lunch and try to convince them to take a chance and come here for less money and 05:20:11
more cases. 05:20:15
I can't believe they don't say yes. 05:20:21
Umm, they reduced your heat for stipend I believe, right? 05:20:26
For 15,000. 05:20:33
I mean there's there's two. I mean, I understand. 05:20:37
I think we could do. 05:20:50
11301. 05:20:53
Well, are you back at 5:00? 05:21:01
And I mean, I think it's important to remember. 05:21:04
But I think the national financial increase. 05:21:19
Larger comparatively. 05:21:22
I'm OK to go to 951260. 05:21:28
What was the 120? I'm sorry. 05:21:34
I understand it's not a lot of money I'm trying to figure out. 05:21:41
Make those things, but that keeps the percentages roughly the same. I do want to point out that for instance. 05:21:49
The 11023 is something that we discussed. 05:21:55
Is not actually seeing that increase. So it goes from 61 to 570,000 compared to that, but that's going to allow us to do that 05:22:02
supplement. 05:22:09
Our both at grant funds and our victim advocacy world works funded primarily by Boca and stock our vocab is going down. So we're 05:22:17
going to be able to do with that is to. 05:22:23
When the county money comes in replace the stock grant funding with that to replace the vocab grant funding. So that position is 05:22:30
not even going to even see a pay increase. They already saw a pay increase in July with whenever we transfer that money over so 05:22:36
they're not gonna see another pay increase from this. This is helping replace grant funding. So it's just you know the the numbers 05:22:42
are more complicated than what what we're looking at and increases so prosecuting attorney 3. 05:22:49
It's been at. 05:22:56
But you're saying that's not the salary or her salary or what that position in like for instance, in the spreadsheet that I 05:22:59
provided? 05:23:03
For you, that's a stop grant position that has that per person is funded at 90,000. 05:23:08
But we're so they're not getting any more, they're not gonna get a dollar more pay from this. What's gonna happen is we're taking 05:23:14
stop grant funding to replace Boca funding that we're losing because we're not getting that, but we are. But you are utilizing the 05:23:21
70,000. Yes. OK, Absolutely. Yes. I apologize if that was confusing. Umm total what we have here across our entire $2,000,000 05:23:27
general general fund budget for the criminal office. 05:23:34
Is it's a 5.4%? 05:23:41
Roughly increase in in funding UH which I think is commensurate with you know the budget increases across the board, umm that 05:23:44
we've seen tonight. 05:23:48
Umm. 05:23:53
Close to 200,000 less than we requested. Uh, I understand. 05:23:55
Umm, we also. 05:24:00
Those tough? 05:24:02
So you took two of them from 100 down to 95, right? Yeah, yeah, you got. 05:24:06
Andrew, I just, I just wanna bring up this has been a work in progress, I know for three or four years. 05:24:13
Uh to try to get you become you come before the personnel committee just about every year uh expressing your concerns with the 05:24:18
deputy prosecutor paying and the workload that your folks do in this town is unbelievable. Um can you just give us a few examples 05:24:26
of counties that where we. Yeah so we have I mean Wagner's Steel UH and Irwin and Shield did a did an assessment last in 2022 that 05:24:34
we have 53% of the attorneys that we need 57% of staff. 05:24:42
Umm. 05:24:51
We send the highest per capita. 05:24:52
Persons to the Indiana Department of Corrections, Umm, which is third in total numbers behind only Marion County, Allen County and 05:24:56
we're the 13th largest county by population. We have a exceedingly high numbers umm in major felony cases. For instance, you 05:25:01
compare us to. 05:25:06
The problem that we're talking about, I mean, there's a lot of discussion tonight about. 05:25:11
Competitive wages with counties that are even nearest, I think we all can can look at Delaware County and think that that's the 05:25:16
county we should be competitive with. 05:25:20
Our staff starting salaries for deputy prosecutors right now is $68,888.00. The starting salary for deputy prosecutor in Delaware 05:25:24
County is 85,000. 05:25:30
The the starting salaries that we're gonna get to with this budget is 75,000. We asked for 85. We're gonna get to 75. I 05:25:36
understand. But it's not like these are high numbers comparatively. These are, you know, doctorate level degrees. There's very few 05:25:42
people that you want. Umm. 05:25:47
You know, I understand that there and you discussed about having some some cursory benefits. Certainly I agree with that. But the 05:25:53
numbers that you have in private practice are so much greater. 05:25:58
Uh, I mean massive amounts of money. I I, I'd offer him a job as a deputy prosecutor. He laughed at me. You know, that's that's. 05:26:04
Yeah, you know that's the that's the con. Yeah, exactly. And you, you make a lot more money now And and those are the rallies or 05:26:10
for instance, when we talk about deputy pro, uh, public defenders, they're picking up the two contracts, some of them. So you have 05:26:16
public defenders now because they have to be paid on a a state minimum schedule. So you have public defenders working two days a 05:26:22
week. 05:26:28
Making $80,000. When we have deputy prosecutors working five days a week, they can't practice well on the side. They can't make an 05:26:34
additional dollar. 05:26:38
And they make $10,000 less than that. I mean, those are the issues that we're having to to deal with that we're not fixing it. 05:26:42
It's a work in progress, you know we have. 05:26:48
Umm you know Hamilton County I understand it's back comparison but typically can you go down the line they have 60 to 70% of our 05:26:54
crime with 10 more prosecutors than we have and even the in terms of major felony cases they don't have the homicides that we do. 05:27:01
They don't, they don't have the the difficult trials. We're doing more trials than these offices. It's it's a challenging 05:27:09
environment. Umm so while these numbers may seem big we're we're way, way behind umm and that's why I keep you know. 05:27:16
Pounding the, pounding the table and and trying to move forward. 05:27:25
Uh, with our progress in this stuff and I do greatly appreciate the help, umm what we've been able to do. But uh, and I understand 05:27:28
that the county wide budget, it looks like we're getting a lot. Umm and I can understand there's frustration with that, but I I 05:27:33
guarantee you when you compare us. 05:27:38
Uh, our office compared to other offices with other counties, we're farther behind UMM than other agencies than other departments 05:27:44
are. When you took look at the percentage of of UMM general fund per capita spending, it's it's it's just very different and we 05:27:51
have a a particular challenge in public safety in this county. Andrew what what would you say that? 05:27:59
How many years are we behind and how many years are we behind. How many years behind you say we're kind of back from paying? Well 05:28:08
it's it's hard to and and we've talked about this before you know Councilman Vaughn, I understand that there's that we all need to 05:28:15
be looking at a a a several year long plan as to how we can do these things. I I mean that's really hard to say I mean because. 05:28:22
But are we at a a what I think to be the bare minimum of workable staffing? 05:29:02
Yes, I think that we're that's why I'm I haven't asked for additional staffing in this budget. Umm what we've asked for is some 05:29:08
some modest UH cost of living increases essentially UH for these positions. I can't give you a number on how many years we are 05:29:14
behind UH because I don't think it's. 05:29:19
You know, one of those things where should your prosecutors be, uh, funded at the same rate as, you know, X county? Well, even if 05:29:27
our populations and and things like that are similar, maybe our general fund is a similar size, they don't have the kind of crime 05:29:33
that we do. It's not the same number of cases. It's not the same trial load. I mean, there's just nobody to compare us to in the 05:29:39
state of Indiana because we kind of stand. 05:29:45
UH so Park County funded UH, mostly state funding. 05:31:04
I guess it's aggravating because I I I took some time and look at the. 05:31:07
And other state little. 05:31:12
Banks have been. 05:31:15
So I'm gonna change your name, prosecutor to House Speaker, because I look at what the money they do have down there. They got a 05:31:17
lot of money. 05:31:21
I mean, we're gonna try to work on the budget here. It's running late. 05:31:26
Uh, I'm just looking at future too. So are we are we good with the budget? 05:31:31
No, do I, sorry. 05:31:38
So four days have to do the 40 or can you make this budget work? 05:31:44
But partially that's because we've had vacant time. 05:32:18
Now on this first one here, you asked for 60,000 and they gave an increase of 63. Is there a reason that you because I know on the 05:32:21
other ones you asked for increases. 05:32:26
Yes, I'm sorry. 05:32:32
Oh no. 05:32:34
On that one is, it's a. 05:32:46
Adding that to that position, which is a 5%. 05:32:50
So you just need a 63, OK, Yeah, that's that's 5%. 05:32:55
I'm just going to reiterate again, but I'd really like to see our I understand why you did what you did with the prosecutors. 05:33:01
I just really wish we could get our other paid people up a little more. 05:33:09
And yeah, you know, we have, I think, the 4D budget. 05:33:16
I don't know if you had. 05:33:22
Increase. 05:33:45
Of county funding by about $20,000. Is there a reason that we had increased the group insurance? Yes. And that's something that we 05:33:46
discussed earlier where we were planning on umm hiring an additional deputy prosecuting attorney from 4D funds from our UH not our 05:33:54
county general fund. We we we kind of talked about this about how we have UH in excess of 889 UH seven funds, yes. And so we would 05:34:02
want to pay for that person's insurance from the county general fund. 05:34:10
Because then it's going to be reimbursed at 66. Our 8897 funds do not get reimbursed. 05:34:17
66% they're already given back from incentive, umm from how we, how we, how we do for child support in five major categories. So 05:34:23
what we're gonna do is hire that person for a period, period of time that we can sustain 8897 and then take for their insurance, 05:34:29
yes, OK. 05:34:34
I have any other questions? 05:34:41
Are we good to move on then And again, I mean that's one of those, umm, yeah, I guess, I guess to the extent, uh, the only place 05:34:44
that we have group insurance is against UH, our 40 offices because you're you have to get that reimbursed. 05:34:51
Uh, let's go to the public defender. 05:35:00
I don't think so much defender had anything that was. 05:35:06
OK, 3/4 just got the 5% increase like all other and none of the rest of the airlines have anything. 05:35:13
We already insurance and we're done. 05:35:22
You know Youth center. 05:35:26
Oh, what is the NEWS CENTER? Sorry I lost part of my bike. So we're ready for soil and wait. 05:35:27
Yeah, soil and water, all right. 05:35:33
We're always. 05:35:40
So. 05:35:44
I think this is 1 where they have said whatever the counting raise is across the board. 05:35:46
Didn't put in for a uh. 05:35:53
They did not put in for a array, whatever. 05:35:57
Some people did, some people didn't. Some department. 05:36:01
So there are some of these non pay lines, uh, like if we start the bottom machinery equipment we want the three-year average 05:36:06
before the request was less than that. 05:36:10
So do we wanna reduce those to what they actually reflected? 05:36:15
Yes. Yeah. So let's go to machinery and equipment and put it to 1461. 05:36:20
And then other services and charges 4244. 05:36:28
Umm. 05:36:34
Uh, so it's super per diem. 05:36:40
I think as a supervisor is that something. 05:36:44
Yeah, where the that had to be calculated separately than what is presumably. 05:36:47
In the partial year. Is that why we see some differences? 05:36:56
I. 05:37:00
Umm, because yeah, the 23 budget was at 1750, so maybe. 05:37:01
Maybe there was a reason. 05:37:08
But that was the. 05:37:12
Surely. 05:37:20
5% across. 05:37:23
Yeah, it's just 5% and increase in longevity. 05:37:27
Treasurer's Office is always one Note is a very precise SO. 05:37:35
You guys a great job with it. 05:37:42
And pretty much 5%. 05:37:45
Of the. 05:37:51
Looks like we can use pretty close to. 05:37:55
David requested a 7% raise. 05:38:03
And we just did the five that we did. 05:38:06
10%. 05:38:14
Registration. 05:38:17
Linda dressed that and she No wait. 05:38:27
I think we did the election office. Yeah. Voter registration isn't isn't Linda? No. 05:38:34
So on that's when we went with the five. 05:38:47
You know the repairs and maintenance and the rentals, you know that's just a very skewed number as the average because they had 05:38:54
nothing and the first two prior years. 05:38:59
Umm, is there something that, do we know what they're spending us on this year on those two line items? 05:39:05
Don't have any more. 05:39:11
Whatever. So I have. I don't remember why, but I have he Devin had changed the requested budget for 2024 on the board members and 05:39:30
the first deputies. 05:39:35
So is there something where we like we had to with that number? 05:39:41
It's a 43, six, 680. Do you remember why he changed that and why it was strong and he was just his request? It wasn't his initial 05:39:45
request. Repetitive salary, OK, all right, he. 05:39:51
I just wanted to double check. Thank you. 05:39:57
Are you OK to move the weights and measures? 05:40:00
I really think that the inspector at $20.00 an hour is an adequate salary. 05:40:09
Were you at weights and measures? 05:40:21
Alright. 05:40:26
I'd have to agree with Councilman Darty. We've got to be careful. 05:40:27
I mean 5000. 05:40:31
You you guys. You guys. 05:40:40
Council, still, you're getting 8 right here. Now wait a minute. All right, 8. 05:40:42
The current. 05:40:48
How much? 05:40:51
10 LB Alright, it's about, uh, it's 22 1/2 dollars an hour. 05:40:52
Take about it an hourly now what you have, you know. What you have to remember too is Anderson was paying I guess, right? And they 05:40:58
had another person do it and that should, and that's the issue. 05:41:03
It should have been just a long time ago. It still can be. It's been addressed over here and things kind of. They can't get down 05:41:11
the road and there were a couple. 05:41:16
Points that I just wanna make is that 36917 that is currently making. Umm he was the City of Anderson Way commercial guide in the 05:41:22
late 80s and he actually made $38,000 a year there during the job. 05:41:29
I'm joining here UH and then he did present information uh to the personal committee as well as to discount. He's had a 400% 05:41:37
increase in workload since he's taking his job over. Umm and it's actually he sent an e-mail or a text message. 05:41:46
Earlier this week just said that, uh, there was a couple more that were just added to it. Uh, So it's grown even more. 05:41:55
Umm, so I agree. I'm gonna come in and ask for. 05:42:03
17 to $18,000 raise. 05:42:06
And I know that this is a long term. I mean, yeah, just like a lot of other departments are gonna be competitive. I mean, we're 05:42:09
not gonna lose them, but that's that's not why we don't. 05:42:14
Uh. I know during the budget uh mid year raise or uh. 05:42:19
I'm just looking out committee you requested but didn't have any money to umm move around or and and. 05:42:26
That committee at that time said we take care of it. I mean, we discussed it to the point either you hire part time or to the 05:42:34
point he ain't gonna be handled. And if we get too much bigger, I mean, yeah, we'll get a part timer in addition. 05:42:40
And the other thing that he did provide to uh personal support, he entered the council. Umm, he did a comparison of that. Uh below 05:42:47
the. 05:42:53
Uh, I should say. 05:43:01
And 55,000 went below but the other flight. 05:43:02
Even even at the proposed Umm. 05:43:06
Umm. 05:43:10
Adjustment. 05:43:13
Did did the council members budget just change? 05:43:14
I think we're keeping it in the 46, nine by four year. 05:43:19
I mean at that, at that dollar amount, we would never replace the current employee, umm, even even with the raise for that 05:43:26
position. 05:43:29
I just don't think. 05:43:36
Yeah, it's an exemption for you, Yeah. 05:43:39
OK, I I need to say something about this because I've had. 05:43:41
Quite a few people contact me about this and it seems to be really controversial and I'm going to tell. I just want to put it on 05:43:47
the record the same thing I told everyone else. 05:43:52
When this council sits up here and sets a salary. 05:44:00
We set it based. 05:44:04
The physician. 05:44:06
What the position deserves to be paid and we cannot make that decision based on who is in that position. 05:44:08
And a very good case has been made. 05:44:14
For an. 05:44:17
And Frank, frankly, I think the 55,000 would be appropriate based on the figures that I've seen, but we can't give that big of a 05:44:19
raise to one employee. 05:44:23
In one year when we have so many other employees that are underpaid and so umm. 05:44:29
I just wanna be really clear that everyone understands that the weights and. 05:44:35
Inspector deserves to pay that amount and has nothing to do with the person who holds the position. 05:44:40
I think, I think we didn't take action in the past because it was his position and probably did kick it down the road and that's a 05:44:48
mistake made. So thank you and we would not replace, I mean he could quit tomorrow and he was probably up to more than that to 05:44:56
replace that person. So I didn't feel like are we, are we good to move on then from this one. 05:45:03
And then on the. 05:45:13
I don't think there was anything that was really utility. 05:45:23
Take this one day. 05:45:32
5% raise. 05:45:34
Umm Vicente? 05:45:44
I think we talked about the operating supply process going down to 90,000 and 95 maybe. 05:45:48
Funds Umm. 05:45:57
Machinery and equipment for the 5000. That was the reason why I said to take it, that I could take it to 90,000. Quite honestly, 05:46:01
I'm gonna have to come before the council next month and move some money around. That's right, an employee line items because I'm 05:46:06
not gonna have enough money to pay for operations and our utilities for the rest of the year. I mean our population is currently 05:46:11
setting at 27. 05:46:16
And that's not it then and that's probably gonna be trend. So I will say that umm you guys let me transfer some money around and 05:46:22
give some employees and you know mid. 05:46:27
Umm, your. 05:46:34
With this in addition, it makes it does make a difference. 05:46:36
Do we deal with what the jail and MC3 deal with on a daily basis? Yes, just on a smaller scale. But what I have to say is for 05:46:40
someone to go from 16/14 an hour to $18.00 an hour, it means a lot. And I appreciate that. I really do and that that is for me and 05:46:46
my employees. 05:46:51
Well, I guess, and you're right, we talked about moving 5000 of the operating line down to machinery and equipment, correct. Do 05:46:57
you still wanna do that? I don't have any foreseeable need. Umm, yes, we have an aging facility. Things do breaks, things do 05:47:04
happen, umm, if need to be. 05:47:10
I could probably move the money next year if I need to. I would rather I'm more comfortable to leave it in operation right now 05:47:17
just knowing how much food cost has increased significantly and then our utilities are about $8000 a month the way that it is. 05:47:23
We're probably spending between 8:00 and 10:00 a month on food costs for the kids, so. 05:47:29
How many full time optimizations you got as of today? 05:47:36
Umm, which is what has traditionally been done in the past. We've just not had that luxury. But we will moving forward. How many? 05:48:13
Umm. 05:48:17
I know your one of your goal was to make money off of accountings and ship them. Does that happen? It is not yet. Umm. And the 05:48:21
reason why has been because of staffing levels. So we've hired 4 people in the last. 05:48:27
MMM, months. And quite honestly it's because people think, OK, $17.00 an hour, I can do that. No, it's not a significant amount of 05:48:35
money, but it is if you're looking at those. 05:48:40
That we're making 16. 05:48:45
And doing what they do on a daily basis. 05:48:47
Ideally yes, but we only hold 31 kids and we have 27 Madison County children currently, so 27 kids and 10 active warrants. 05:48:52
Yeah. We don't have somebody else. You've been all year. Really, I'm not understanding. But you know, the highest it has been in 05:49:04
several years. Yeah. So how long has it been like? That's 27 for like 3 months, four months, Umm, one month since late July, 05:49:09
probably. No, Umm. And typically, you see the numbers dip in the summer and then they raise again in the full time. I'm really not 05:49:15
sure what's going to happen. 05:49:21
Perfect. 05:49:28
Sorry, OK to move on from this one. 05:49:29
Umm, doesn't feel like it. Looks like maybe Carlos has something there. If you recall back at the budget workshop I had or related 05:49:34
the ARM call from 6500 to 7800 that apparently has been, uh, reverted back to the 6500, so that needs to change as well. The 05:49:43
office manager looks like it's out of the same 2023 spending, showing no increase for 2024 and that needs to be adjusted as well. 05:49:51
Which is your eyeball line? I'm sorry, what is? Which one is your on call line? 05:50:02
UH-15 and 600. 05:50:09
Oh, your deeper sizes, correct? 05:50:15
I show 65, you see, You think it was more than that. Yeah, it's supposed to be 7800. 05:50:18
150 a week. 05:50:23
Can I give you nothing? 05:50:26
No, it reverted back to the 2023 UH number. If you recall on the budget workshop I told you at that time I had Umm. 05:50:28
Particularly not added that into the 2024. 05:50:36
Budget at that workshop, so I already needed it at that time and clearly that did not. 05:50:39
Umm. 05:50:47
A new perspective needs to go to one 7800. 05:50:49
And then? 05:50:56
A 5% increase. 05:50:58
Our office manager would go up to 40,657. Oh five. 05:51:00
Or 40,657, correct. 05:51:06
Anything else on that? 05:51:11
Thank you for catching that. Yep. 05:51:18
All right, so it seems like we've gone through every department, and now we just have to figure out where we're gonna come up with 05:51:30
a little over $500,000. 05:51:34
For expediency purposes. 05:51:40
This is didn't think of any other reductions that we can take or do we take some of the. 05:51:43
Umm, not what I want to do, but. 05:51:50
Take. 05:51:54
Dispatch fund and move it over to public safety and pay it out of there to balance the general fund. 05:51:56
It's not exactly what I want to do, but unless I'm looking comfortable moving. 05:52:02
It'd be it'd be 500,000 to make it balanced and it still leaves us about 350 buffer, not what we wanted. 05:52:08
And then we wanted more in that budget for contingencies, but but also. 05:52:18
We've also addressed the needs of the sheriff and UH jail released, particularly in jail and and M Triple C that was. 05:52:23
Kind of haunting us and all these. 05:52:35
Trying to get up to we did in one year what we thought we could do and two. 05:52:39
I agree with you council so I don't think we did anything out of whack and out of I mean I we're facing it is risky yeah I mean 05:52:45
there's some risk involved with increasing whatever 100,000 but. 05:52:52
And, and we don't know, palatable, but. 05:52:59
I think an agreement to to get a full council approval. I think with all the respect Mr. Phil, can we take a risk we don't do it 05:53:03
in a way maybe a little bigger the other way. But I'm being honest. I mean we don't. I mean we put other departments and and uh. 05:53:11
Particularly in public safety. 05:53:20
This has actually been I I thought we did a pretty good year. 05:53:23
Appropriations. We didn't do them. I mean, we didn't spend long enough. 05:53:27
They are one moment, so to speak. Uh-huh. Tell this meeting, huh? I've learned something more about budgeting than I didn't know. 05:53:32
And, uh, apologize for. 05:53:37
Uh, my mistake on uh getting. 05:53:44
Past midnight to educate the two days, Doug or just one meeting? 05:53:47
I'm flat, right? 05:53:51
Where's Andrew? He ain't making his money today. 05:53:55
Now, what's the pinnacle for one more time? The public safety so. 05:53:58
Let's make sure no cash flows. I guess I'm just kind of very risky first. 05:54:02
So I we've we've done a lot of good. I don't there's I don't know how you can do everything in one year. I don't want to be 05:54:06
strapped. 05:54:10
We still have $400,000 that we could be shipping toward a wind farm. 05:54:15
Umm, that that's a totally separate subject and we said totally we would, we would address that after the first year. We've seen 05:54:22
what monies are coming back, uh, how the negotiations are going with dispatch. 05:54:28
I'm just concerned about the cash flow with the public safety put down this morning. 05:54:40
I personally would not, but I'm not sitting in your seat, so uh, you've got a jail that you're gonna build that's that's teetering 05:54:44
on $100 million. 05:54:48
Umm. 05:54:54
I wanna back up in time for years. You had two years where commissioners didn't take any action. 05:54:56
And that was pre use Commissioners. 05:55:02
And during that period of time, prices skyrocketed and interest rates skyrocketed. And you're paying for it. Today, that jail is 05:55:04
gonna cost you about $20 million more than it would today. 05:55:09
That would have four years ago. 05:55:14
Had those two years not been wasted, we've been in 2% interest, not in five, 6% interest. So that's where you're at. So you're 05:55:16
building a jail. It's gonna be more expensive. You're gonna have to fund it that 125%. But 125 per percent of what? What number? 05:55:22
What's the final number? I don't know. What the construction cost. I can't imagine they're leveling off much inflation still 05:55:29
there. I mean, that's just my opinion. I. 05:55:35
I mean that's the largest budget right there that the county has ever seen by far a set on the council. In 2000, uh eleven, our 05:55:43
budget in 11 or 12 was 31 million, it's 40 where we at now $44 million so. 05:55:51
Uh, and using public safety funds where we were not using the public safety funds back then, we basically saved the money and paid 05:55:59
for the dispatch center. Umm. 05:56:05
Uh when we had UH that built open uh M triple C and and work release. So uh it's it's a big number I I wouldn't I wouldn't get 05:56:11
risky with the public safety money because you don't know because you don't know and keeping it in general fund. 05:56:19
Are we capped at 43? Five, you don't need to spend over 43. Five we stretched it today your your your banking on UH interest rates 05:56:27
staying high and you cannot budget on one timeline. Councilman UH Emery said that early in the meeting. UH I would not budget your 05:56:34
general fund budget based on interest you're getting today that you I mean just two 2-3. Todd, can you bring up the UH interest 05:56:41
income? 05:56:48
On the pie chart. 05:56:55
I'll show you where you were just a short time ago. 05:56:57
So in 2019, we're about a half million dollars. 05:57:19
What's that low in there? That's 21, right? 05:57:24
21 Umm. 05:57:28
It's gonna be in that jail. You're gonna have additional operating costs when you open that jail. So you're not gonna go into that 05:58:11
new jail and have less operating costs. I don't believe. Do you? Do you believe? And that's what we're talking about, overlapping 05:58:17
costs too. We have dual staff for a while. Exactly. Trial and error. It's a new place. 05:58:23
Operating firms. 05:58:37
Space. 05:58:40
Right. 05:58:45
It's you know fortunately for a while we won't have the same kind of maintenance expense hopefully that we deal with with our 05:59:21
current jail. But it is a bigger facility and they will over time be made and spread has to be done to a much larger facility and 05:59:26
so you know. 05:59:31
It is risky. 05:59:38
If the economy takes a a massive downturn, I mean there's there's other things that could happen and I think the thing would have 05:59:41
to be very clear on is. 05:59:44
We're giving so many of the office holders, so many of this department has what they're asking for as far as. 05:59:49
Pay increases at least, or at least giving them closer. We're trying to remedy that issue and it is a serious issue. Umm, we're 05:59:55
not gonna have money for new appropriations throughout the year. I mean, that's gonna be very different. I I know the council used 06:00:01
to reserve some money for that. Umm. 06:00:06
But it's, you know, if we were to figure this out, how to make this work? 06:00:13
Media raises in 24 or additional appropriations just. 06:00:19
Aren't going to be able to happen, you know which people are gonna have to live within what we what we give them. So. 06:00:23
I mean my my guess, and I understand what you're saying comes from. 06:00:31
And if we don't do something now, we are far. 06:00:35
In in wages and and competitors when do we do and we're always it's always gonna be a Ridge. We have done some I mean we did we 06:00:40
did the mid year but we're far we are far behind but how on earth could you make it up in one in one year what if our collections 06:00:46
aren't this we have to sustain that for next year and. 06:00:52
Otherwise then we'll have to cut 10 positions next year. That's gonna be the only other choice we hope, right, that that's 06:00:59
frustrating, but I think we're being, I understand what you're saying. I think we're being competitive. We're not blowing that out 06:01:04
of water and it's given huge rates and I think we're just being competitive with the market. That's tough. I know, I mean I think, 06:01:09
you know look at all the mentions. 06:01:14
I don't lose a bunch of employees and they walk out, you know, even even with what we're doing. 06:01:19
A lot of the OPS orders are saying hey this is helpful, but it's still not getting me on par with neighboring counties. We are 06:01:28
still gonna have the issue. Umm. 06:01:32
But you can only spend. 06:01:38
What you bring in you know and and we're we're. 06:01:41
Really. 06:01:44
Pushing our our revenue on this one, you know umm we start in a unique situation. We're in Madison County, but we're we're really 06:01:46
15 to 20 minutes away from a county whose revenue, I don't even know what the revenue is. 06:01:53
Uh, on the tax sale you're gonna have your every, every piece of your lid income when people start getting laid off from work. If 06:02:36
that happens, I can't imagine that this, that that doesn't happen within the next couple of years. So if you run into a recession 06:02:41
or forgiveness, sakes of depression, umm. 06:02:47
You're gonna look at less collections in every category. Uh, you're you're talking about UH, correctional lit while you're paying 06:02:55
jail bonds at 5 point something percent interest. You're talking about public safety. 06:03:01
Uh, you're talking about certified lift that funds part of your budget. I mean, it just goes on and on. I mean. 06:03:08
It's all relevant and I think in the South part of the Canada it's not gonna happen. 06:03:15
Cell phones kind of pretty strong in those townships, I mean with that tax base on the whole county though, but well, I am going 06:03:19
back to 2008, I mean, yeah. 06:03:25
Yeah. So are we comfortable with moving UH 500? 06:03:30
7. 06:03:37
Retirement or no? 06:03:42
Yeah, I can. I definitely reminded me that we need to reduce. Can we go back to the public safety fund that you had up? 06:03:43
The old number was there for the anticipated payment and did you figure out what the anticipated payment would be, right? Was it 06:03:52
in the 425 range? I think the last number I heard was 411, but they they couldn't calculate so after we literally made the payment 06:03:59
because it could change by the day, so. 06:04:05
From the only waiting in there, I'm sorry Dave at 4:20 or four 25425 is probably the same number. 06:04:12
And then we wanted to. 06:04:27
Umm, dispatch fees. 06:04:30
Uh, my suggestion if you give them half of that. 06:04:40
You what, after the 1400, I thought you said dispatch we're short 507,000, uh, I mean we're over our budget 500,000 and you're 06:04:48
moving? 06:04:53
507,000. 06:04:59
Dispatch fees from the Commissioners budget and general fund to public safety and that will make our general fund balance. 06:05:02
OK. 06:05:11
About 400 that they weigh about $350,000. 06:05:13
When Norma from the excess that we created by paying off the bond or uh fresh retirement. 06:05:21
When you when you do not collect from your other cities and towns, where are you gonna come up with that money Would be the 06:05:28
question. Yeah, that's something that's gotta be addressed from the council now. Well, well, I think we're gonna need to send a 06:05:34
message to some of the towns too, if they want to come to us asking for money from wind farm or whatever. And they're delinquent 06:05:41
on their their payments and they need to get caught up, you know, umm. 06:05:47
We should be giving out more money if they're not paying what they're supposed to be paying. So I ju. I just wanna clarify 06:05:57
something if I could. I'm hearing uh we need to get on the ball about a dozen times tonight. I've been in 5-5 or six meetings in 06:06:03
the last two months myself where I've said in on those negotiations but so those those are going on. But the the cities and towns 06:06:08
that aren't paying just don't want to pay. So uh, where does it go from there? I can tell you the the small towns wanna increase 06:06:14
your lip tax. 06:06:20
They wanna go to the Max on the list, so are you prepared to set up there and and increase taxes again? I as a private citizen is 06:06:27
gonna be up here screaming when you do it. 06:06:32
So that's that's my. 06:06:37
With the amended budget. 06:06:42
All the changes we would need to. 06:06:45
What we have presented or what we have made changes to. 06:06:50
So make a motion to. 06:06:57
No. Well, it's all together. It's all. 06:07:03
Hard. That's correct. It's already done. So the vote would be to make this the budget. 06:07:07
The development, the vote would be for this to be what is now the proposed budget, then we would have to look to pass the budget, 06:07:14
correct? And that would be yeah. 06:07:18
So. 06:07:23
Yeah, today. Right now, hopefully. 06:07:25
Just to move the process along. Umm, although are you OK with me making a motion? Let's make sure we got it alright. Yeah, yeah. 06:07:28
So I will make a motion that we amend the. 06:07:35
Proposed budget to reflect the changes we've made here this evening. 06:07:42
I. 06:07:49
It's been moved and seconded to make the amendments. 06:07:50
If I clarify this, is making it a new proposed budget, not voting to pass the budget, correct? Correct. Because there's a motion 06:07:54
already. 06:07:58
Still on the table to pass the budget. 06:08:03
From from earlier five hours ago, right from from yesterday, What exactly is the amount of the new? The new budget is still 06:08:06
$43,000,500. The bottom line is not changed. 06:08:13
But the public safety. But the public safety budget is going up. 06:08:22
To make that work. 06:08:28
So we're moving to mend. 06:08:34
Your motion and. 06:08:36
No, we're we're voting. 06:08:38
Accept the amended budget as presented, that we just worked out OK. 06:08:41
And then we have to vote on the budget held by Mr. Gale, seconded by Mrs. Norrick. 06:08:47
Any other further discussions? 06:08:52
Your roll call vote. We can do a roll call vote a show of hands. 06:08:55
Thumbs up. 06:09:01
5. 06:09:05
We amend it and see the ability to final practice because you know, we're using customized performance. Uh. 06:09:07
Final question is exciting as well. No, the the amendment takes for the final passing would take 5. 06:09:16
75 We have not voted yet. 06:09:24
So we have to go down the motion. Yeah, we gotta go to the first one. Roll call, vote for the amendment. 06:09:30
Doing a roll problem. Yeah. And ask for yes, please, Yes. 06:09:37
No. 06:09:45
Yes. 06:09:48
Yes. 06:09:49
Yes, yes. 06:09:52
Motion carries. 06:09:58
5:00 to 2:00 Thank you. 06:10:01
Now our motion is on the table for acceptance of the budget. Make a motion to approve. It's already motion and approve. 06:10:04
You can get a real roll call vote on the final budget please, Mr. Cole. Yes. 06:10:14
No. 06:10:22
No. 06:10:23
Afternoon Yale, yes. 06:10:28
Yes, thank you very much. 06:10:33
Council. 06:10:37
Make a motion to adjourn. 06:10:38
The salary we're gonna salary orders. Oh, sorry. Oh, OK, OK. 06:10:42
Some of you all can go to sleep now, so. 06:10:50
Usually my job to jump forward in the agenda. Hey, I just got a uh, can we take like A2? 06:10:55
Salary ordinance. 06:11:06
Huh. 06:11:08
Well, I know, but I just. 06:11:10
All right, we can do these done in like 3 minutes. 06:11:13
I'm trying to think what we have here. 06:11:24
We have three salary ordinances for. 06:11:28
Umm. 06:11:34
First readings if it's unanimously passed. 06:11:35
We don't need a second reading. 06:11:41
Or do you wanna, You know, Let's wait. You said I'm sorry. I hold it as long as I said earlier. Oh, no, you're fine. We waited. I 06:11:44
mean, I didn't think about. 06:11:48
And I can see that our mains run over midnight is there. 06:11:55
No, because it's been 1 continuous meeting. 06:11:59
Don't. 06:12:11
OK. 06:12:13
I just actually want some legality about umm being after the night. 06:12:16
We can keep this meeting going for a day if we want to. No, you can, uh. 06:12:22
I will say thank you for your patience and working diligently and professionally, even though we may not all. 06:12:47
GI or Epstein peculiar. 06:12:57
Preferences in in things that are important to us. I think collectively we worked together and I learned. 06:13:02
That you just said on the second page, so please repeat what you said earlier about this is unanimous, OK. These are three salary 06:13:11
ordinances from the general fund to overture overtime, prosecutor and help fund. If we pass unanimously on the first vote, we do 06:13:17
not require a second reading next month. 06:13:24
First salary ordinance. 06:13:32
2023-10C for the General Fund Share of Overtime Motion to Approve. Second Motion to Approve. 06:13:34
Uh, from Mr. Gale, seconded by Mr. Vaughn. 06:13:43
I don't think Mr. wants anything. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I got you. 06:13:46
Uh, Mr. Emery, I stand corrected. Uh, we will have to take A roll call vote please. And you will have to sign and check the A or 06:13:53
nay. And I'll start these down there, but we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. Just. 06:14:00
I'm it's in good faith. 06:14:08
Yes, please. 06:14:11
Yes. 06:14:13
Yeah. 06:14:15
Yes, yes, yes, yes. 06:14:18
2nd Ordinance or UH Motion passes unanimously on first reading, 2nd Ordinance IS2023-10C. 06:14:24
And even the Prosecutor General Fund and Stop Grant Fund has presented. 06:14:33
Been moved by Mr. Yale Sigma by Mr. Vaughn. We'll take A roll call vote please. 06:14:41
Yes. 06:14:50
Yes. 06:14:53
Yes, yes. 06:14:54
Yes, that passes on first reading unanimously. The third is Salary Ordinance 2023-11. I'm sorry, 10 E as in Edward Health sign 06:14:57
11:59. 06:15:05
Moved by Mr. Gale, seconded by Mr. Vaughn. 06:15:14
Uh, roll call vote please. 06:15:19
Yes, yes. 06:15:22
Yeah, yeah. 06:15:27
Yes. 06:15:29
Yes, catches on first reading. 06:15:30
The next is. 06:15:38
Budget ordinances. 06:15:40
For the three municipalities previously discuss. 06:15:43
The first one is. 06:15:47
2023-10F as in Frank for East Central IN solid waste District. Motion to approve. 06:15:49
Moved by Mr. Gale, seconded by Mrs. Norick. 06:15:59
Yes, we do have to. 06:16:05
Again, yes. 06:16:08
Yeah. 06:16:11
Yes, yes, yes, yes. 06:16:13
Yes. 06:16:19
Uh, the second one of. 06:16:21
Thorough or UH budget ordinance OF2023-10G Independent fires. 06:16:24
Moved by Mr. Yale, seconded by Mr. Vaughn. This will require a roll call vote and signatures please. 06:16:34
Yes. 06:16:41
Yeah. 06:16:42
Yeah. 06:16:45
Yeah. 06:16:47
Yes. 06:16:50
Yes. 06:16:51
Hello. 06:16:55
The third UH ordinance Resolution for Budget and the County Council, Madison County Common Council. 06:17:04
UH budget as amended. 06:17:15
Budget Ordinance. Is it separate or is it what we've already? 06:17:19
Go ahead and just do a little call quick. Uh. 06:17:33
Are we doing it wrong? It's County Council. The budget ordinance, Passing the budget ordinance. 06:17:38
To see what we already previously voted on. 06:17:46
Should we be safe? 06:17:50
OK, Any objections if not? 06:17:53
Now, I haven't had it yet now that that one didn't pass unanimously. 06:17:58
You know. 06:18:03
Oh, that's true. Today it wasn't separated. Yeah. Thank you. 06:18:06
Investigations happening. 06:18:10
Some point. 06:18:12
No, I just wanna make sure I if I'm signing, I don't wanna sign if I'm not. 06:18:18
How can we make a motion to adjourn? 06:18:24
If anybody does anything. 06:18:28
I'm just kidding. 06:18:32
The one that he said was that it was the second reason. Now can I make a motion to adjourn? Good. 06:18:34
I just have to make the motion, I make the motion, We adjourn. 06:18:39
This is the County Council. Oh yeah, the last one. No. 06:18:46
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