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| We'll call the 6:00 special meeting to order. We'll stand for the pledge. | 00:00:13 | |
| OK, well, we're here tonight to talk about the 2024 budget and. | 00:00:37 | |
| Any changes that need to be made to what we currently have? | 00:00:44 | |
| In the hands of Diana and Gloria. | 00:00:51 | |
| My goal would be that we can discuss any changes that need to be made. | 00:00:55 | |
| Get you guys to make those changes. | 00:01:01 | |
| I know Tim said that we didn't need to have this in Gateway for the adoption. | 00:01:04 | |
| I would like to have it in Gateway because I think it's just much cleaner. I don't know what you think. | 00:01:09 | |
| Gloria and Diana. | 00:01:16 | |
| OK. | 00:01:20 | |
| Budget. | 00:01:22 | |
| Need to understand what we're adopting for that, for the 16th so. | 00:01:24 | |
| Um. | 00:01:29 | |
| So we'll start with whoever wants to start with anything that we need to bring up as far as changes. | 00:01:31 | |
| That we might need to make to the current budget. | 00:01:38 | |
| We need Sir. | 00:01:46 | |
| Sorry, we need to clarify. | 00:01:50 | |
| Just. | 00:01:53 | |
| To be sure, because I know there was discussion on it. | 00:01:55 | |
| Freezing the Council and Commissioners. | 00:01:59 | |
| Sorry for this year. | 00:02:01 | |
| To be the 23 members instead of 24 numbers. | 00:02:03 | |
| OK. | 00:02:07 | |
| Do we want to make a motion to? | 00:02:08 | |
| Go ahead and. | 00:02:11 | |
| On. | 00:02:12 | |
| Holder. | 00:02:14 | |
| Salaries concept or the commissioners and the council. Let's do one at a time. Let's do council yeah. So might want to make that | 00:02:15 | |
| motion and make a motion that for the 2024 budget the County Council members. | 00:02:22 | |
| Salaries remain the same as the 2023 budget. | 00:02:30 | |
| 2nd And a second all in favor, say aye, aye, Any opposed motion carries. | 00:02:33 | |
| OK. | 00:02:39 | |
| I'll do the same. I'll make a motion that the. | 00:02:41 | |
| Commissioners. | 00:02:45 | |
| Salary for the 2024 budget remained the same as the current 2023 budget. | 00:02:46 | |
| We have a motion. | 00:02:52 | |
| Do we have a second second? | 00:02:55 | |
| We have a second. | 00:02:57 | |
| Do we have discussion? | 00:02:58 | |
| Yeah, I I just like to to ask is there any reason why? | 00:03:00 | |
| And I get it. And I'm for freezing our salaries. Is there any reason why that kind of. | 00:03:07 | |
| I guess. | 00:03:14 | |
| Kind of. | 00:03:18 | |
| Is there any reason why we're doing it to the commissioners? | 00:03:21 | |
| Rather than all elected officials, I guess. Is there any reason why we're? | 00:03:24 | |
| Singling them out. | 00:03:28 | |
| Rather than. | 00:03:31 | |
| All other elected officials. | 00:03:33 | |
| I don't have any. | 00:03:38 | |
| No other than. | 00:03:41 | |
| We are before the public, the Commissioners are before the public. | 00:03:43 | |
| Quite often. | 00:03:46 | |
| We make a lot of decisions and I can. | 00:03:47 | |
| Assure you, Nanny. | 00:03:51 | |
| 5% of us. | 00:03:53 | |
| If not 100, we don't do this for the money. | 00:03:54 | |
| Right. It's a service to the community. | 00:03:58 | |
| You know. | 00:04:01 | |
| I just feel like we can set the example to the employees. | 00:04:02 | |
| If we're gonna. | 00:04:06 | |
| Give the raises, you know the 3% COLA because last year we discussed it may not be 3%. | 00:04:07 | |
| It may only be a percent. | 00:04:13 | |
| Or two or 1 1/2 or whatever. | 00:04:14 | |
| I think that shows to. | 00:04:17 | |
| The community and to. | 00:04:20 | |
| Our government employees that, hey, we're willing to take. | 00:04:23 | |
| A freeze this year I I just think it looks. | 00:04:26 | |
| Looks good that we're setting an example. | 00:04:29 | |
| Yeah. | 00:04:31 | |
| I think we should set that example. | 00:04:33 | |
| Because we do have to make cuts. | 00:04:36 | |
| I I was just wondering cause it looked like the information that we received. | 00:04:39 | |
| Maybe this week. | 00:04:44 | |
| From Commissioner Shawn Berger that they were a little. | 00:04:45 | |
| Lower. | 00:04:50 | |
| Than what? The average? | 00:04:51 | |
| Was. | 00:04:53 | |
| A lot of people surrounding us. | 00:04:55 | |
| I think we had the three. | 00:04:58 | |
| Say they were OK with the freeze. | 00:05:01 | |
| Jason said he was, Because I'm natural. | 00:05:06 | |
| I I kind of hedge. | 00:05:08 | |
| Yeah. | 00:05:11 | |
| Think so. | 00:05:12 | |
| I'm fine with it. | 00:05:21 | |
| I'm trying to see. | 00:05:28 | |
| But I went back on. | 00:05:30 | |
| WIF. | 00:05:33 | |
| I went back on a salary ordinance. | 00:05:35 | |
| Anthony, you're correct. | 00:05:37 | |
| Is that the commissioner's salary is about 32. | 00:05:39 | |
| I think below. | 00:05:43 | |
| The mainstream and I think the council is. | 00:05:46 | |
| Well. | 00:05:51 | |
| So we're 3000 bucks. So you're up here and we're down here. | 00:05:51 | |
| You know, and so you might continue. This isn't just for me, it's it's for it's for future commissioners. | 00:05:55 | |
| We talked about how over the years sales have not been brought up well because you haven't given given it covers. | 00:06:02 | |
| And I think I did a calculation, I think it would take like five years. | 00:06:09 | |
| To get the commissions up to mid. | 00:06:12 | |
| With a with a a 3% core, you know. | 00:06:14 | |
| You're talking about, I think for the commissioners, it's like. | 00:06:18 | |
| 15 I think we're in 2000 from like that. | 00:06:22 | |
| You know, for the Council of 27, come on, total of of what five, $6000? But again, that's your decision. You know, I laid out the | 00:06:26 | |
| facts. I'll let you guys decide how you want to cut it, dice it, interpret it, or whatever you want to be. Thank you. | 00:06:35 | |
| I pulled up the e-mail. | 00:06:46 | |
| From UH. | 00:06:48 | |
| Commissioner Sharpen. | 00:06:50 | |
| He did say he was OK with the color, but he did have two questions. | 00:06:51 | |
| One of them was the savings. | 00:06:55 | |
| If they didn't receive the. | 00:06:56 | |
| Cool. And what would the savings be and does anybody know that? | 00:06:59 | |
| And then how the how would the council utilize that savings? | 00:07:04 | |
| Other than that. | 00:07:10 | |
| Doesn't matter what the savings is. | 00:07:13 | |
| Permission. | 00:07:16 | |
| What? I'm sorry. | 00:07:18 | |
| By 2000 it was on your e-mail, right John? It was 2000 apiece or something? | 00:07:21 | |
| Yeah, 5242. | 00:07:32 | |
| Yeah. | 00:07:34 | |
| The additional portion. | 00:07:39 | |
| Councilman Terrance question concerning the other elected officials. | 00:07:42 | |
| Our chief deputy salaries are tied to ours. | 00:07:46 | |
| So the people who run our offices. | 00:07:50 | |
| Would not. | 00:07:54 | |
| I understand. I I just couldn't and and. | 00:07:59 | |
| I was just getting the slide. | 00:08:02 | |
| Because she knows. | 00:08:08 | |
| Jackie, chief deputies in our offices, their salaries are type cars. They get 85% of whatever our. I understand and and thank you | 00:08:09 | |
| and I respect that. | 00:08:14 | |
| But I also know that we just did a salary study as well. | 00:08:19 | |
| Which we're trying to keep everybody in line and I think that one thing that we need to understand is that. | 00:08:23 | |
| We're not talking about the salary for the person. | 00:08:30 | |
| We're talking about the salary for the position. | 00:08:34 | |
| OK, well we have a motion. | 00:08:39 | |
| And a second to hold the commissioners. | 00:08:43 | |
| Salary. | 00:08:47 | |
| On. | 00:08:48 | |
| For 2024 the same as 2023. | 00:08:50 | |
| All in favor, say aye, aye, aye. | 00:08:54 | |
| Raise your hand, please. | 00:08:58 | |
| Yeah, 4. | 00:09:01 | |
| All of all of those. | 00:09:03 | |
| OK. | 00:09:06 | |
| Uh, it passes. | 00:09:09 | |
| But it will be held. | 00:09:11 | |
| OK. | 00:09:14 | |
| 124 hours will be the same as 20/23 for commissioners. | 00:09:15 | |
| OK. | 00:09:20 | |
| Um. | 00:09:21 | |
| We it's OK. Do we have anything else we need to talk about? | 00:09:23 | |
| Yes, OK. | 00:09:28 | |
| Did we ever come to an agreement on whether we're taking the EMA to from part time to full time? | 00:09:31 | |
| The Emma. | 00:09:41 | |
| The deputy director said. | 00:09:43 | |
| But we were talking about, yeah, we have a deputy director. | 00:09:45 | |
| Proposed. | 00:09:49 | |
| Hello. | 00:09:51 | |
| Anybody wanna? | 00:09:53 | |
| Give the scenario here. | 00:09:55 | |
| Yeah, I mean, he's part time he's making. | 00:09:57 | |
| Thing was. | 00:10:00 | |
| 10. | 00:10:01 | |
| 10. | 00:10:02 | |
| Was it 10 hours per pay period? | 00:10:03 | |
| 11 hours per paycheck. | 00:10:07 | |
| And there's a reimbursement. | 00:10:13 | |
| Part of that as well. | 00:10:16 | |
| I think it came out to less than $20,000. | 00:10:18 | |
| To take them full time. | 00:10:21 | |
| Department can be reimbursed. | 00:10:26 | |
| Not. | 00:10:31 | |
| Yeah. | 00:10:37 | |
| Are we already getting the full 55,000 reimbursement? | 00:10:41 | |
| According to Tammy. | 00:10:46 | |
| Here. And yes, she applies for all the following. | 00:10:49 | |
| Spring second quarter next year? | 00:10:55 | |
| So we are receiving the 75. | 00:11:00 | |
| Or 55, I'm sorry, 55? | 00:11:04 | |
| Already. | 00:11:07 | |
| Fantastic. | 00:11:09 | |
| So if we. | 00:11:12 | |
| Take them from part time to full time working on. | 00:11:14 | |
| Acquire the rest of that salary. Is there something in between that we can do? | 00:11:17 | |
| Where we can. | 00:11:23 | |
| Make him a qualified part time person. | 00:11:25 | |
| But not giving full time position. So in other words don't limit his time. | 00:11:28 | |
| To five hours of a week. | 00:11:34 | |
| He's just following me, right? Right, actually. | 00:11:39 | |
| I believe Kent made a compelling argument that he should be full time because. | 00:11:45 | |
| As Michelle has stated, there's work. | 00:11:50 | |
| Like we had a major storm. | 00:11:53 | |
| While active. | 00:11:55 | |
| All hands on deck when that windstorm was here. | 00:11:57 | |
| And then things we don't even know about when there's a. | 00:12:00 | |
| Fuel spill on the Interstate, EMA is always involved in that kind of stuff. | 00:12:03 | |
| And honestly, I think Kent made a pretty compelling argument that he should be full time rather than. | 00:12:08 | |
| Part time and volunteering. | 00:12:14 | |
| Hours all the time. | 00:12:16 | |
| So Dale, I completely think you made a very compelling and I and I actually talked with what's the guy's name. | 00:12:18 | |
| Chase. | 00:12:26 | |
| He he says he's working. | 00:12:30 | |
| 3040 out. He's working 40 hours a week anyway. | 00:12:33 | |
| Um. | 00:12:37 | |
| I, I and I would love to get to get him for full time position, but I think maybe what we can do is transition into that and maybe | 00:12:40 | |
| give them a 25 hour or 30 hour Max. | 00:12:46 | |
| Uh, this year and get him to a full time position. Maybe next year. | 00:12:52 | |
| Go ahead. | 00:12:58 | |
| 28 So 20 What is it 20? | 00:13:02 | |
| 2828, thank you. I'm glad you're here. | 00:13:06 | |
| What would everybody think about something like that? | 00:13:10 | |
| Why is he limited just side the budget? | 00:13:17 | |
| Just five. Yeah. OK. | 00:13:21 | |
| But now? | 00:13:25 | |
| The tracking. | 00:13:29 | |
| It would be an additional 26,000. | 00:13:33 | |
| But they're getting the 55 anyway, right? | 00:13:39 | |
| 6000. | 00:13:47 | |
| Invite me spending that much just to put in part time, right or no? | 00:13:48 | |
| Benefits. | 00:13:54 | |
| And and I think I'm missing something. | 00:13:57 | |
| So we're already getting the 55. | 00:14:00 | |
| This year, and he's not. | 00:14:03 | |
| We're not getting any additional savings by making them. | 00:14:06 | |
| No. | 00:14:10 | |
| No, we're not right. | 00:14:11 | |
| No, because the Max is 55 and we're already getting it. So if we. | 00:14:14 | |
| Change them from part time to full time we inherit. | 00:14:18 | |
| Every bit of that additional salary. | 00:14:21 | |
| That that you're saying the same thing. | 00:14:24 | |
| That's what I'm saying. You're right. | 00:14:26 | |
| OK. Is it, is it based on the fact that we is 55,000 based on the fact that we have two positions that are full time? | 00:14:28 | |
| Is it based on any full time positions? | 00:14:35 | |
| Of the brain. | 00:14:39 | |
| She can't ask for more. | 00:14:41 | |
| What? | 00:14:42 | |
| I don't. I don't know if she could or couldn't. | 00:14:45 | |
| Is she as if the office is adding additional full time help? Maybe they can. | 00:14:47 | |
| Ask for an increase. I don't know the answer to that. | 00:14:53 | |
| Can't make no sense. | 00:15:01 | |
| I just think we've just had the discussion a minute ago about how this budget deficit continues to. | 00:15:03 | |
| Go up and we gotta stop the bleeding. And yet, here we go again. Where? Where? When do we say no? | 00:15:09 | |
| That's that's what I'm asking When, when is that cut off her? | 00:15:16 | |
| Because this budget is going to deficit, is going to continue. | 00:15:20 | |
| To grow every time we do something like this. | 00:15:23 | |
| And I'm gonna. | 00:15:31 | |
| Add to that is that. | 00:15:32 | |
| A lot of people do. I mean, we have volunteers in the M department. | 00:15:37 | |
| So I know you know are are we just gonna say we don't want volunteers for the county? | 00:15:42 | |
| Anymore at all? | 00:15:49 | |
| I think there's people that like to volunteer. | 00:15:52 | |
| So. | 00:15:56 | |
| You know if he doesn't, I don't know if he doesn't want to. | 00:15:58 | |
| Do the 30 hours. | 00:16:02 | |
| Then maybe we can find somebody who wants to volunteer part of their time and get paid part of their time. | 00:16:04 | |
| Just saying. | 00:16:09 | |
| True. | 00:16:15 | |
| I'm going to make a motion that we give them a part time position. | 00:16:16 | |
| Up to the 28 hours. | 00:16:22 | |
| At. | 00:16:25 | |
| At the. | 00:16:26 | |
| Part time, we just add the part time rate that. | 00:16:27 | |
| He's 4 for four now for 3% comma. | 00:16:30 | |
| So. | 00:16:33 | |
| The hourly rate. | 00:16:34 | |
| OK. | 00:16:37 | |
| 33,170. | 00:16:43 | |
| 33,000 and he's already. | 00:16:46 | |
| Making. | 00:16:50 | |
| 10,000. | 00:16:51 | |
| You're doubling his pay. | 00:16:53 | |
| More than. | 00:16:54 | |
| Right, more than that. OK. So it's 23. | 00:16:56 | |
| OK, that's one motion. | 00:17:00 | |
| Is there a second? | 00:17:05 | |
| No, OK, it dies for like a second. | 00:17:09 | |
| I I guess I need to clarify. | 00:17:14 | |
| Are we making a recommendation for the budget? | 00:17:17 | |
| It was that the motion was to make a recommendation for the budget, yes, to include this. | 00:17:20 | |
| Yes, right now it includes the full. | 00:17:25 | |
| The full time position. Is that correct? | 00:17:27 | |
| Current budget provides for full time. I'd like to make a motion that we move that to part time. | 00:17:31 | |
| 2nd. | 00:17:36 | |
| OK, OK. That's the same motion I made. | 00:17:37 | |
| Clarification on the on the part time part time. How many hours, How many hours? 11 hours he's getting paid now. | 00:17:41 | |
| Correct, sorry. | 00:17:47 | |
| So no change correct. Ohh. | 00:17:49 | |
| So you want to limit his part time to Lebanon? | 00:17:52 | |
| As it is in 2023. | 00:17:56 | |
| 6600. | 00:18:03 | |
| OK, that's a motion and a second on the table. | 00:18:06 | |
| All in favor, Say aye, Aye. | 00:18:08 | |
| Raise your hand. | 00:18:12 | |
| 3. | 00:18:13 | |
| The motion does not carried. | 00:18:14 | |
| You need to carry it. | 00:18:17 | |
| Full circle. | 00:18:18 | |
| Ohh, is there any opposed? | 00:18:20 | |
| Sorry. | 00:18:22 | |
| What's yours? | 00:18:25 | |
| Not thank you. | 00:18:27 | |
| OK. So what it's currently in there at full time. We're going to leave it there. | 00:18:31 | |
| OK. Let's clarify the full time that's in there. | 00:18:37 | |
| No. | 00:18:41 | |
| I'm not OK with that. | 00:18:42 | |
| I'm not OK with that. | 00:18:45 | |
| Are we talking? | 00:18:47 | |
| A 40 hour salary or a 28 hour salary? How much is in the budget right now? | 00:18:48 | |
| So what's in the budget is in the air. So unless we heard back from Wis and I don't. | 00:18:55 | |
| Have we heard back from Wis? | 00:19:02 | |
| Musician. | 00:19:06 | |
| Well, I wanted to. | 00:19:11 | |
| See whether or not the because we've been working on budget and salary ordinance. | 00:19:13 | |
| Nothing. | 00:19:19 | |
| So I wanted to see whether or not. | 00:19:19 | |
| It has been adjusted to reflect WRS recommendation yet or if that's something we're still waiting. | 00:19:21 | |
| Position. | 00:19:30 | |
| OK. | 00:19:32 | |
| But he's doing work that he's currently not being paid for, correct? | 00:19:42 | |
| So that can't really be his position because he's doing something. | 00:19:46 | |
| He's volunteering partition. He's asking for. | 00:19:49 | |
| That's the position they're asking for. | 00:19:52 | |
| So then I'll make another motion. | 00:19:58 | |
| To go from 11 to 15 hours second. | 00:20:03 | |
| We have a motion in a second. | 00:20:06 | |
| Raise your hand on paper. Say aye. | 00:20:09 | |
| The College. | 00:20:13 | |
| Then. | 00:20:16 | |
| Somebody please make a motion. | 00:20:17 | |
| Of what you all want. Obviously you want this guy to have benefits. | 00:20:19 | |
| No, I made a motion for 28 hours. That's benefits. Yeah, 28 hours. 28 hours is $20. | 00:20:22 | |
| If you go to 30, it's benefits. | 00:20:31 | |
| The county handbook limits people part time. | 00:20:33 | |
| 28 hours a week. | 00:20:36 | |
| No benefits. | 00:20:38 | |
| Is that county specific? | 00:20:39 | |
| Yes. | 00:20:42 | |
| 30%. | 00:20:44 | |
| I don't think this country specific. I think that is a. | 00:20:46 | |
| I think that's federal losses. | 00:20:52 | |
| 28 This is part time. | 00:20:55 | |
| Yeah. | 00:20:58 | |
| So the county handbook was 28th. | 00:21:00 | |
| Can we find somewhere between the 15 and 28th that everybody can agree with? | 00:21:03 | |
| 20. | 00:21:13 | |
| Instead of doing 42 motions. | 00:21:15 | |
| Dale, what's your limit 28? | 00:21:21 | |
| 25 How about that with the option here? | 00:21:25 | |
| That's what it seems like, yes. | 00:21:28 | |
| I move we. | 00:21:32 | |
| Make it part time salary of 25 hour maximum. | 00:21:33 | |
| OK, we have a motion. | 00:21:39 | |
| Do we have a check? | 00:21:41 | |
| I'll second it. | 00:21:44 | |
| Have a motion and a second. | 00:21:46 | |
| So any discussion? | 00:21:48 | |
| I just have a question. Are we just talking about this position in general? Is that what we're just one, just one position? | 00:21:50 | |
| And so we're competing. | 00:21:59 | |
| Hello, we're taking this pay from 11 hours a week to 25 hours a week. | 00:22:02 | |
| Is that right? | 00:22:06 | |
| If there's 25 hours, we would work the work to do. | 00:22:08 | |
| Sure. Yeah, he works it. | 00:22:11 | |
| What about those? Do you have something inside? Yeah, sorry. | 00:22:18 | |
| Another officer. | 00:22:25 | |
| One person. | 00:22:27 | |
| Talk about the. | 00:22:28 | |
| You know. | 00:22:31 | |
| Thank you. | 00:22:33 | |
| Just thought. | 00:22:37 | |
| I think what we're trying to combat here, Steven. | 00:22:42 | |
| And and maybe I'm not interpreting what you're saying correctly is. | 00:22:45 | |
| That. | 00:22:50 | |
| We have creep. | 00:22:51 | |
| And it's this type of thing. | 00:22:53 | |
| And then next year it's gonna be. | 00:22:55 | |
| He worked 28 hours a week but he volunteered another 12 and now we want to make him full time. | 00:22:57 | |
| Benefits 40 hours. Ohh And by the way, he's deputy and so he's going to be, you know, 85% of my salary. | 00:23:02 | |
| And. | 00:23:09 | |
| We keep coming back to this and. | 00:23:10 | |
| We had a discussion of. | 00:23:13 | |
| Even our our chairwoman said we're going to do a combination of raising revenue and cutting. | 00:23:16 | |
| You you got to tap the brakes before you can stop. | 00:23:22 | |
| You know you can't. | 00:23:26 | |
| Push down on the gas pedal. | 00:23:28 | |
| And come to a stop so. | 00:23:30 | |
| I see what you're saying about. | 00:23:33 | |
| 28 or less. | 00:23:34 | |
| And but where does the? Where do we end this? Sorry and you're fine. | 00:23:36 | |
| Stop. | 00:23:43 | |
| And and you know and and I respect. | 00:23:47 | |
| Yeah. | 00:23:49 | |
| Where Councilman Short. | 00:23:50 | |
| Just said. | 00:23:52 | |
| But, but I also think that we need to take into consideration. | 00:23:53 | |
| Of the fact, the mere fact, the reason why he is working. | 00:23:57 | |
| And that's because. | 00:24:01 | |
| Emergency situations have risen in this county. | 00:24:03 | |
| And I think that Kent Morrow told us. | 00:24:07 | |
| When he was here before us, before budget time that those situations. | 00:24:11 | |
| Have have risen. | 00:24:17 | |
| He's seeing a an increase. | 00:24:19 | |
| And that he was very grateful to have. | 00:24:21 | |
| The young man in that position because I mean and. | 00:24:24 | |
| The young man is working. | 00:24:29 | |
| To keep us in our community safe. | 00:24:30 | |
| And I think that needs to be taken into consideration. | 00:24:32 | |
| Emergency prepared so we have a motion and a second. | 00:24:37 | |
| For 25 hours. | 00:24:41 | |
| All in favor, Say aye, Aye. | 00:24:47 | |
| You have one. | 00:24:50 | |
| Sorry. | 00:24:52 | |
| On to. | 00:24:53 | |
| 20. | 00:24:55 | |
| So you seconded the motion that you're not gonna move on. | 00:24:56 | |
| I don't want to change from 11. | 00:25:00 | |
| I was just seconded it to get somewhere. | 00:25:03 | |
| Because obviously you aren't going to 2nd it because you all want 28. | 00:25:06 | |
| We finished the requiem. OK, we have. | 00:25:11 | |
| Raise your hand for all favor Say aye. | 00:25:15 | |
| OK, we have 1/2. | 00:25:18 | |
| 2. | 00:25:20 | |
| OK, all in. Not, not in favor. Raise your hands. | 00:25:21 | |
| OK. | 00:25:26 | |
| So. | 00:25:28 | |
| Studies. | 00:25:32 | |
| Can we? | 00:25:33 | |
| I'm gonna make my motion again. | 00:25:34 | |
| One more time and this. I think it's in this thing. | 00:25:36 | |
| I I say we make him part time up to the 28th. | 00:25:41 | |
| Hours of my motion is make him part time up to 28 hours part time. | 00:25:46 | |
| Person. | 00:25:52 | |
| And. | 00:25:55 | |
| That's how much? | 00:25:56 | |
| All in favor or we can decide. | 00:25:59 | |
| Fashion. | 00:26:01 | |
| We have a second. | 00:26:03 | |
| No, OK. | 00:26:06 | |
| Wait fails again, so I guess it stays in The thing is full time. | 00:26:08 | |
| Everyone. | 00:26:14 | |
| I don't think we need to move on from this or we're not going to pass a budget next Monday, so we need to really. | 00:26:17 | |
| We need to get this right now. | 00:26:23 | |
| What do you mean? | 00:26:26 | |
| If we can't agree on one position at an hourly. | 00:26:28 | |
| Number of hours. | 00:26:32 | |
| That's absolutely going to affect my decision on Monday of whether I support this budget or not, so. | 00:26:35 | |
| OK. | 00:26:45 | |
| Guys this is how the process works. This is. | 00:26:46 | |
| This is the compromise part that nobody wants to do. | 00:26:48 | |
| OK. | 00:26:52 | |
| I know we want to rush on from this, but that's not. | 00:26:54 | |
| What this is about? We need to get this right. | 00:26:57 | |
| So the current budget is salary for that position. | 00:27:01 | |
| $48,576 if you add on her. | 00:27:04 | |
| And fight that. | 00:27:10 | |
| That's 57295. So that's a real number that doesn't include what the county portion for. | 00:27:12 | |
| Health insurance. Maybe eating that. Don't know what type of health insurance will last. | 00:27:19 | |
| That helps you work your numbers a little bit better. But what's in the current 2024 budget 48. | 00:27:25 | |
| And what was in 2023 budget was 23 or 7 hours a week at 26,650. | 00:27:34 | |
| OK. | 00:27:43 | |
| In 2023 he works 5 hours a week. | 00:27:48 | |
| He got paid, getting paid 5 hours away. | 00:27:51 | |
| We weren't 30 to 40 hours a week, but he got paid for five hours. I make a motion for 15 hours. | 00:27:55 | |
| Sex triple. | 00:28:01 | |
| Triple 2023. | 00:28:03 | |
| Motion in a second. | 00:28:06 | |
| All in favor, Raise your hands. Yeah. | 00:28:09 | |
| Yeah. | 00:28:13 | |
| OK, he's eventually gonna have to come all. | 00:28:16 | |
| You understand that? | 00:28:19 | |
| No, I don't. | 00:28:20 | |
| I don't. | 00:28:22 | |
| All this, All that. | 00:28:23 | |
| Stock price today. | 00:28:26 | |
| OK. | 00:28:28 | |
| Well, that was. | 00:28:29 | |
| OK, motion carries 15 hours a week. | 00:28:31 | |
| OK, you remain in the part time 15 hours a week. | 00:28:33 | |
| It's the greatest day remaining, 2023, or 20%. | 00:28:38 | |
| Today, the same days in the same. | 00:28:44 | |
| Because you. | 00:28:48 | |
| Part time. | 00:28:49 | |
| I don't know what Wis say on that. | 00:28:50 | |
| And then? | 00:28:53 | |
| So, I mean, it's up to you guys. | 00:28:57 | |
| Percent. | 00:28:59 | |
| Is it true that he's the only one that drives the command center? Yeah. | 00:29:01 | |
| This is the one that drives the command center. | 00:29:08 | |
| That. | 00:29:11 | |
| The other thing too is. | 00:29:14 | |
| Volunteering work. It's hard. | 00:29:17 | |
| Doing the work. | 00:29:20 | |
| For that. | 00:29:24 | |
| There's other people that are licensed. | 00:29:27 | |
| And OK to drive that command center correct. | 00:29:29 | |
| Working. | 00:29:38 | |
| Given that information. | 00:29:45 | |
| So he. | 00:29:47 | |
| Volunteer. | 00:29:50 | |
| And if they get hurt? | 00:29:51 | |
| Then their medical. | 00:29:53 | |
| OK, we moved on. | 00:29:57 | |
| 15 hours. | 00:29:59 | |
| OK. | 00:30:00 | |
| Anybody else have anything that really tough that? | 00:30:03 | |
| I wanted to bring up building Authority. | 00:30:07 | |
| I've talked with a couple of Commissioners and. | 00:30:10 | |
| Mr. Combs. | 00:30:15 | |
| Over the last. | 00:30:17 | |
| Couple days and. | 00:30:19 | |
| That's the research on. | 00:30:23 | |
| Property maintenance rates. | 00:30:27 | |
| The salary and benefits right now for Billing Authority, $600,000. | 00:30:30 | |
| $600,000. | 00:30:36 | |
| The There's not a whole lot we can do about the utilities. | 00:30:40 | |
| Right now. | 00:30:43 | |
| Because of the the shape that the. | 00:30:44 | |
| Mechanics are in. | 00:30:46 | |
| I would still like to see. | 00:30:48 | |
| Some breakdown of these. | 00:30:50 | |
| Utility cost because. | 00:30:53 | |
| $90,000. | 00:30:55 | |
| A year for sewer scenes? | 00:30:57 | |
| Saint $100 a month seems excessive to me. | 00:31:01 | |
| I would, I would love to see some some data on that. | 00:31:04 | |
| But. | 00:31:08 | |
| The current. | 00:31:10 | |
| Rates for commercial buildings for. | 00:31:11 | |
| Property Maintenance. | 00:31:14 | |
| Is about $1.75 a square foot? | 00:31:16 | |
| Um. | 00:31:19 | |
| Man, we could pay $4.00 a square foot and and save $200,000 a year. | 00:31:21 | |
| If we're looking for cuts. | 00:31:30 | |
| If we're looking. | 00:31:32 | |
| For $200,000 to $300,000. | 00:31:34 | |
| This could be subbed out. | 00:31:38 | |
| And and help us to get to where we need to be. | 00:31:43 | |
| In short order where we're looking. | 00:31:47 | |
| If if we potentially do something with a new or rehabbed building. | 00:31:50 | |
| We are heavily leaning toward the bot process anyway. | 00:31:57 | |
| So. | 00:32:00 | |
| Um. | 00:32:01 | |
| It's coming. | 00:32:04 | |
| But $600,000 a year in salaries and benefits? | 00:32:07 | |
| 4. | 00:32:11 | |
| Like it's maybe. | 00:32:13 | |
| 11 people. | 00:32:15 | |
| Do you have do you have the budget in front of you? I do. | 00:32:17 | |
| Is there building security on there? | 00:32:20 | |
| Yes, yes, there is. It is. | 00:32:23 | |
| Yeah, No. | 00:32:29 | |
| No, it's not. It's not. | 00:32:32 | |
| I'm starting to think. | 00:32:35 | |
| I didn't get any. I didn't get any answers back on the. | 00:32:39 | |
| The service contracts either at. | 00:32:43 | |
| $256,000 but. | 00:32:45 | |
| Umm. | 00:32:48 | |
| Yeah, it's in here somewhere. | 00:32:51 | |
| Seemed like it was. | 00:32:53 | |
| OK, so how do we go about doing this then? | 00:32:59 | |
| You've suggested this a couple times, but. | 00:33:02 | |
| We're now further along than we were, you know, six months ago. Well, this is. So how do we, how do we make this happen? Great | 00:33:04 | |
| idea, love it, but let's make it happen. | 00:33:09 | |
| Then you then you fund it at a level. | 00:33:15 | |
| That it has to happen. That's the only way to do it. You can ask the commissioners to do it. | 00:33:17 | |
| You can ask them to go out and find a company to do this work. | 00:33:22 | |
| To save our county taxpayers. | 00:33:26 | |
| Several $100,000. | 00:33:30 | |
| But if there's no. | 00:33:32 | |
| Inkling to do that. | 00:33:35 | |
| Then. | 00:33:38 | |
| But don't you think we should work together? Absolutely do. | 00:33:40 | |
| Absolutely. Watching it and say let's work together to find a better solution and save some money here. Have we done that? | 00:33:43 | |
| It hasn't happened. Denny's been asking and no one's. | 00:33:52 | |
| Willing to participate. So what else do you do at this point? | 00:33:56 | |
| I've heard you've been saying it for several means. I've heard him saying that even before I got on the Council and some of the | 00:34:01 | |
| meetings. Did you get a quote from somebody that can do it and present it to the commissioners? | 00:34:06 | |
| Hi. | 00:34:13 | |
| I I can do that, yeah. | 00:34:14 | |
| Come on. | 00:34:19 | |
| If you want, we have lost our way of understanding. | 00:34:21 | |
| That we hold the purse strings to this county. We have not lost our way. | 00:34:25 | |
| We we, we accept budgets. | 00:34:29 | |
| On their face without asking these questions. | 00:34:32 | |
| Because it only went up 3% from last year. | 00:34:36 | |
| That's not even true. Danny, did you ask any questions about the building authority budget when it was presented? I did not, | 00:34:39 | |
| because you've been talking about it all year long. I yeah, I'm trying to get some traction. | 00:34:45 | |
| You didn't do anything about it, John. Are you willing to look into this with me? | 00:34:51 | |
| Together. | 00:34:56 | |
| I You were my next phone call. | 00:34:57 | |
| Ohh, is that the commission's purview anywhere that's building, sorry purview. | 00:35:02 | |
| Well, they have that that muddy water right there. | 00:35:07 | |
| Like the building authority is gonna check themselves. | 00:35:11 | |
| It is absolutely in the Commissioners purview. | 00:35:15 | |
| Absolutely. Gotta get a quote and you gotta present the the options. You can't just sit here and talk about. | 00:35:18 | |
| So not only just sit here and talk about it for two for six months. | 00:35:24 | |
| So now not only do we. | 00:35:29 | |
| Do the financials, we now have to go out and get the bids. | 00:35:31 | |
| We have to. That's not our position. We have to present options. If we think there are options, we need to be presenting them. | 00:35:35 | |
| That's my opinion. | 00:35:42 | |
| Just like. | 00:35:44 | |
| Throw something out. | 00:35:45 | |
| I did the research on what the going rate is. | 00:35:48 | |
| For commercial property maintenance. | 00:35:52 | |
| I calculated what the savings will be. | 00:35:56 | |
| But you can't just like I've got it to the five yard line. Somebody please take it over the goal line. | 00:36:00 | |
| That's not to the five yard line, that's to the. | 00:36:06 | |
| Not even took a 50%. | 00:36:10 | |
| Whatever you call it. | 00:36:13 | |
| It's crazy, Danny. | 00:36:15 | |
| You haven't done your homework. | 00:36:17 | |
| Ohh, I've absolutely done my homework. | 00:36:19 | |
| So what's that dollar savings again, Danny? Roughly $1000 range? | 00:36:22 | |
| So that's a conservative estimate. So if we went conservative and cut 200,000 from the budget. | 00:36:26 | |
| Make it easily get that and then we can. | 00:36:32 | |
| Resurrect this next year and get more details and maybe cut further that possible. What are they gonna do? Fire their janitors? | 00:36:34 | |
| Fire their? | 00:36:39 | |
| Ohh Steve, did you fire the food workers or did they find a way to transition over? | 00:36:44 | |
| Absolutely. Mr. Short, can I ask, you said you've spoken with Mr. Coombs. Did he have anything to say? He's the president he | 00:36:50 | |
| presented me with with budgets and was he's promised to give me some more paperwork? | 00:36:57 | |
| Um. | 00:37:05 | |
| On a utility breakdowns. | 00:37:06 | |
| And some different things. I think there's a little bit of confusion. There's some bleed over into. | 00:37:08 | |
| Um. | 00:37:14 | |
| The janitors cleaning sheriff's offices but not the jail area. | 00:37:15 | |
| And then does the building authority pay those utilities or is that come out of the separate pot so? | 00:37:19 | |
| What? What's he open to that? | 00:37:25 | |
| In my opinion, they're. I'm sorry, what'd you do? I was just asking if he was, if Mr. Combs was OK. | 00:37:27 | |
| I don't think. | 00:37:34 | |
| I didn't nail him down on a yes or no if he's. | 00:37:37 | |
| Ready to give that up? | 00:37:39 | |
| Um, which I don't think anybody in his position would. | 00:37:41 | |
| Be wise to say they are. | 00:37:45 | |
| Um. | 00:37:46 | |
| But. | 00:37:48 | |
| We. | 00:37:53 | |
| We're not going to get there. | 00:37:54 | |
| Bye. | 00:37:55 | |
| Not getting creative with how we. | 00:37:58 | |
| Run this county. | 00:38:00 | |
| We need to have a meeting and. | 00:38:02 | |
| With the Commissioners, with the building authority and with us and say we need to do something about this. | 00:38:05 | |
| Let's look at options. We know this company maybe can come in and do this this one. | 00:38:11 | |
| You know, and and and that kind of thing needs to happen before you just go and you cut the budget and we don't have janitors come | 00:38:17 | |
| up. | 00:38:22 | |
| I'm getting there one, John, you know what the administrative coordinator does. | 00:38:27 | |
| Who is that? | 00:38:34 | |
| Writing down. | 00:38:37 | |
| 3. | 00:38:39 | |
| All that. | 00:38:42 | |
| It's 48. Forty, $6000 a year, plus movement. | 00:38:45 | |
| I say I'm not disagreeing with you that we need to look at this. I completely think we do. | 00:38:49 | |
| I just placed the bone about it in a very dysfunctional way. | 00:38:56 | |
| Very good function. | 00:39:01 | |
| And if that's the way we want to operate, change on us is what I'm saying. | 00:39:03 | |
| What if we just go slicing people who budget without giving them proper notice for ability? | 00:39:08 | |
| To come in and present. | 00:39:15 | |
| What's going on? | 00:39:18 | |
| That's not OK with me. I'm sorry. | 00:39:20 | |
| This is not. | 00:39:22 | |
| I don't have enough data to make a a decision. There needs to be some hard data on. | 00:39:26 | |
| What it would cost if we you know what what? | 00:39:31 | |
| What it would do to cut just $200,000 arbitrarily, you know, it's just it's A and we can pass a budget and then come back and and | 00:39:34 | |
| if we get a plan in place we can unappropriate we can always do that. | 00:39:40 | |
| And I'm more than willing to do that, More than willing to inappropriate times. We need to have a plan. We can't just start | 00:39:48 | |
| cutting cut plan. Do we know where this is being paid for out of? | 00:39:53 | |
| Send it. | 00:40:00 | |
| It's not even out yet. | 00:40:01 | |
| Ohh actually free up other money. | 00:40:03 | |
| Look at that. But I'm just saying it's not out of town. | 00:40:07 | |
| Well, actually though, just make comment to the sheriff. | 00:40:11 | |
| Is that? | 00:40:14 | |
| It went. | 00:40:16 | |
| Previously it went to a private contractor. | 00:40:18 | |
| And you brought it back in house, just the opposite of what we're talking about here. | 00:40:20 | |
| Pause. | 00:40:25 | |
| In previous administration. | 00:40:26 | |
| Subject. | 00:40:28 | |
| Pitching more to a private contractor, right? | 00:40:29 | |
| Yeah, but then you brought it back in house. | 00:40:33 | |
| Which is actually absolutely. | 00:40:36 | |
| Opposite of what we're proposing. | 00:40:38 | |
| Is taken out of house and taken. | 00:40:41 | |
| Out. | 00:40:44 | |
| And I mean, and then it in your case it worked out better to bring you back in house. | 00:40:45 | |
| And we did exactly what you're talking about. We took an overall look at the cost of rising costs an outside source company | 00:40:50 | |
| providing not only in foods. | 00:40:55 | |
| Salaries and the benefits to the employees. | 00:41:00 | |
| Compare that against bringing the employees on independently found another resource for generating the food. | 00:41:02 | |
| Realize that there's physical savings. | 00:41:09 | |
| Yeah. | 00:41:11 | |
| Going to going that course of action. | 00:41:13 | |
| Quiet. | 00:41:16 | |
| Saving counting. | 00:41:16 | |
| A couple of dollars moving in that direction. | 00:41:18 | |
| So we applied good fiscal responsibility at least. | 00:41:21 | |
| Then we put it together. | 00:41:24 | |
| Is that there's a cost savings in this Ave. versus continuing down this path? | 00:41:25 | |
| Well, to be clear. | 00:41:31 | |
| Then, Danny, I'm I'm all for privatizing anything. | 00:41:33 | |
| Grab ties. | 00:41:37 | |
| In general. | 00:41:38 | |
| I just. I feel like. | 00:41:39 | |
| The the private industry can. | 00:41:42 | |
| Do think more efficiently and. | 00:41:45 | |
| More cost effective than. | 00:41:47 | |
| Haven't known employees like for example cleaning staff and that. | 00:41:49 | |
| And then? | 00:41:54 | |
| Then what that budget is that include the? | 00:41:55 | |
| What used to be the hasty mechanical team that was down there every day. | 00:42:00 | |
| There's 256,000 in there for contractual services, so I'm sure. | 00:42:04 | |
| Yeah, OK. But generally, I'm in favor of privatizing when we can, if it's if it's a safe. | 00:42:08 | |
| But if. | 00:42:14 | |
| And if that's if that would be a savings? | 00:42:16 | |
| However you gotta look at. Are you gonna get the same? I guess some. | 00:42:18 | |
| Are you gonna get the same results? | 00:42:23 | |
| If you have. | 00:42:26 | |
| Where you control your own employees versus having a private company come in. | 00:42:28 | |
| I I. | 00:42:32 | |
| Is there a motion to be made here? | 00:42:35 | |
| OK. | 00:42:39 | |
| I was just curious though, like in the Commissioner when we said this is edit fun. | 00:42:40 | |
| In the commissioners budget building office and space room for 350,000, does that go to them? I'm not, I'm don't understand this. | 00:42:45 | |
| I'm just asking questions. Is that? | 00:42:51 | |
| Go I'm good to see thority I. | 00:42:56 | |
| I think part of it is in there, but I think that might be. | 00:42:59 | |
| Something to do with the jail, is it? | 00:43:04 | |
| So the question. | 00:43:06 | |
| I'm talking about the Commissioner. I know budget for building an office space rents 350,000. | 00:43:08 | |
| We'd have to ask on for sure, but I think I just. I'm curious. I don't know. I think the majority of this comes out of the edit | 00:43:15 | |
| fund, but I did see that too. | 00:43:20 | |
| Solution. But I mean we cut the budget and that means maybe. | 00:43:26 | |
| We could cut that budget too and. | 00:43:30 | |
| The domino flow here. | 00:43:33 | |
| Because then that would hit our general fund. | 00:43:34 | |
| Umm. | 00:43:38 | |
| Yeah, I I do think maybe that part is part of the total $1.5 million or whatever this is. Well, then it could hit the general | 00:43:42 | |
| fund. | 00:43:46 | |
| 1000 cuts not saying how it's going to be done. Then say if we did, then I suggest that we we we do. | 00:43:51 | |
| Move forward with this idea, then. I think it's a good idea, but I don't think we're at a position where we can make any | 00:43:59 | |
| decisions. | 00:44:02 | |
| I would suggest we. | 00:44:06 | |
| Get a meeting together with the commissioners and with the building authority and let's talk about. | 00:44:09 | |
| How do you move forward with your idea? | 00:44:15 | |
| You want me to orchestrate that? | 00:44:20 | |
| Or do you want to orchestrate that? | 00:44:22 | |
| No, I'll, I'll just. | 00:44:24 | |
| Stay on my. | 00:44:25 | |
| Fact finding mission and just report what I find and I'm going to set up a meeting it's it's we need to set up a meeting to see | 00:44:27 | |
| what this kind of. | 00:44:31 | |
| We already have a glory. | 00:44:36 | |
| Put that onto the agenda, please put that the building authority onto the agenda. Thank you. | 00:44:40 | |
| 4th yes. | 00:44:48 | |
| And can we invite Aaron to that as well? | 00:44:50 | |
| Thank you. | 00:44:53 | |
| OK, I have one more question about this budget. | 00:44:56 | |
| So. | 00:45:00 | |
| After lab last budget discussion and what have you, we got a copy of the salary ordinance, but the salary ordinance doesn't match. | 00:45:01 | |
| Just. | 00:45:09 | |
| Budget. | 00:45:10 | |
| I think they're working on making sure it does. | 00:45:13 | |
| Right. | 00:45:16 | |
| Yeah, what? What way is? Does it not match? | 00:45:18 | |
| Work today. | 00:45:23 | |
| This. | 00:45:25 | |
| And then there was a big questions which. | 00:45:28 | |
| You have made those changes. | 00:45:30 | |
| But or do you have specific examples? I do OK. | 00:45:33 | |
| Prosecutor's office chief investigator. | 00:45:38 | |
| On the salary ordinance that we just got. | 00:45:42 | |
| Which? Which one? | 00:45:46 | |
| Yeah, sure. | 00:45:49 | |
| Computer OK. | 00:45:51 | |
| Chief Investigator. | 00:45:55 | |
| Per the 2023 budget, numbers make 63 to 50, however. | 00:45:59 | |
| It's saying 54724. | 00:46:06 | |
| For the. | 00:46:10 | |
| 24 salaries. | 00:46:12 | |
| And. | 00:46:14 | |
| That was. | 00:46:15 | |
| We started with 2023. We went to. | 00:46:17 | |
| 3. | 00:46:21 | |
| 2024 and then going back. | 00:46:23 | |
| The lines didn't line up. | 00:46:26 | |
| And I. | 00:46:29 | |
| That's it. | 00:46:33 | |
| So that one has been fixed. | 00:46:36 | |
| Is there another one? | 00:46:38 | |
| Well, some of the longevity was I guess confused on their theirs as well. | 00:46:40 | |
| So we need to make sure that those are correct. | 00:46:47 | |
| OK. | 00:46:52 | |
| OK. I just want to make sure that what I'm looking at not right. | 00:46:54 | |
| The plan is we're gonna make any adjustments or combine any adjustments and tomorrow after this meeting, whenever it's decided. | 00:46:58 | |
| We'll be sending out an updated budget as well as the updated salary ordinance to pass that budget so that everybody has updated | 00:47:05 | |
| information. | 00:47:10 | |
| To look at and compare. | 00:47:15 | |
| In preparation for adoption. | 00:47:17 | |
| Get back any questions. | 00:47:21 | |
| And you'll also get that to town so that he can get it forward. | 00:47:25 | |
| Based on. | 00:47:30 | |
| What we come up with, correct? | 00:47:31 | |
| OK, for instance. | 00:47:34 | |
| The information that we sent out tomorrow, that kind of stuff. Thank you. | 00:47:37 | |
| Michelle and I are looking to prosecutors. | 00:47:43 | |
| And hearing that, that conversation. | 00:47:46 | |
| Are they getting the picture sent? Are they? | 00:47:49 | |
| The prosecutor. | 00:47:53 | |
| There are a few positions that did not meet the external mic that we questioned at budget hearing whether or not they've still got | 00:47:56 | |
| 3%. | 00:48:01 | |
| And the. | 00:48:07 | |
| The response we got from the council was that if they hadn't met the external medicine yet. | 00:48:08 | |
| At the time of that meeting there were 11 reflecting on the salary and budget. | 00:48:14 | |
| Orders that had been given. | 00:48:20 | |
| It's an increase, but after we all went back through it, some adjustments were made. So really our our question is. | 00:48:23 | |
| Are those individuals getting that 3% or is the entire prosecutors office and child support office is being frozen in 2023? We | 00:48:31 | |
| need to know that. | 00:48:35 | |
| For budget purposes, for salary ordinance purposes, so that we can send out most accurate information to people tomorrow because | 00:48:40 | |
| we've gotten. | 00:48:44 | |
| Kind of mix information at this point, What's in there, what's in there right now? | 00:48:48 | |
| Everybody's black. | 00:48:54 | |
| What? What was reflected in the budget? | 00:48:57 | |
| What positions qualify? | 00:49:00 | |
| They were actually. | 00:49:02 | |
| 4:00. | 00:49:05 | |
| There were four that were under the external mic, correct? Yeah, actually one. There is one. | 00:49:08 | |
| Take care of that with our new paralegal position. | 00:49:14 | |
| It shows the 3%. | 00:49:18 | |
| On this, but then everybody elses doesn't. | 00:49:20 | |
| Changed even though. | 00:49:24 | |
| Five of the OR. | 00:49:26 | |
| Yeah, five of the prosecutors. | 00:49:28 | |
| They would qualify, yeah. | 00:49:31 | |
| So only five, only 5. | 00:49:35 | |
| So I fixed positions that are not. | 00:49:37 | |
| Add external with the the paralegal she just talked about, well it's changed on here. It shows they added the 3%. | 00:49:41 | |
| You just were asking for clarification about these five positions. | 00:49:49 | |
| Do they get? | 00:49:53 | |
| And or are we freezing them at 2023 isn't the SO positions yeah. | 00:49:55 | |
| So what's the paralegal So. | 00:50:01 | |
| No, the paralegal is. | 00:50:04 | |
| It doesn't even have. | 00:50:06 | |
| What is a paralegal? Is it A Pat B Pat A? | 00:50:08 | |
| Normally. | 00:50:12 | |
| Might be, yeah. What is the, what is the salary for that? Well, I know it's normally it's the 50,600, but on this one, because | 00:50:14 | |
| it's a third paralegal, we got that. It was vacant last year or I guess this year it was 46 something, 46, five and then yeah, | 00:50:21 | |
| they pulled it up to 47. | 00:50:29 | |
| I'm sorry. | 00:50:38 | |
| 4775 is what we pulled up to. | 00:50:41 | |
| At 5600. | 00:50:46 | |
| 50,600 so this, this open paralegal spot that hasn't been filled. | 00:50:48 | |
| Went up to 420244775 even though it could, in essence. | 00:50:55 | |
| 50,600 They didn't take it all the way up there. | 00:51:02 | |
| So our question is. | 00:51:06 | |
| 4 prosecutors 55. | 00:51:09 | |
| Are they? | 00:51:13 | |
| To get this increase or or are they to be frozen at 2023, That's the only questions you have for the prostate yourself. Everyone | 00:51:14 | |
| else they left at at 20.3. I think there was a level of confusion for sure because I think we initially started down one Rd. | 00:51:22 | |
| deviated and I think we're back on this road. Everybody got the e-mail from from Chris Lane. | 00:51:29 | |
| That basically said he's he was under the understanding. | 00:51:37 | |
| From our last meeting. | 00:51:40 | |
| That there were some people in the office that qualified and I just ended in it to be identified or having it identified to me who | 00:51:42 | |
| they were. Now that I know I'm personally. | 00:51:47 | |
| What I've said and I'm OK with it. I'm OK with it. | 00:51:51 | |
| With that adjustment, I'm gonna ask the question, what's the midpoint? | 00:51:54 | |
| 4:00 And it's 86 something. 86 I think I I I think that we mail I. | 00:51:58 | |
| And I can't remember the look at him. | 00:52:07 | |
| Shall we? You have that off the top of your head. | 00:52:13 | |
| With. | 00:52:16 | |
| It it was, it was 86,000 something was the midpoint for that for those, for the UMM we had originally had them at. | 00:52:17 | |
| The 3% takes them to 87, but I believe that. | 00:52:29 | |
| Chris had agreed to. | 00:52:33 | |
| Stopping it at that 86. | 00:52:37 | |
| It is 6634. Thank you. Yeah. | 00:52:40 | |
| And it's pretty big points. They're at 84. | 00:52:44 | |
| 755, so if we brought them up to that 86. | 00:52:48 | |
| And that's actually less than a 3% increase, correct. Increase takes them to 87, yeah. And if you do that, I think I added it up, | 00:52:53 | |
| it's almost $9000. | 00:52:58 | |
| Saving instead of if you don't do the full 3%. | 00:53:02 | |
| We were OK just going up to the mid. | 00:53:06 | |
| So for clarification for you guys, I'll make a motion that we. | 00:53:09 | |
| Move forward with. | 00:53:14 | |
| The 5SOS positions up to the 86,000 and some change where that is 30%. No, no, it wasn't 30%, It's a little after three. | 00:53:16 | |
| It brings it up to the midpoint which is 86 thousand 34634, but some of them are way below the midpoint. | 00:53:29 | |
| Some of them are at 75, so that that is not one of the positions that is included. | 00:53:37 | |
| The 3% on that, it goes up to 77250 or something like that. So not all of them are going to be just. Only one prosecutor would get | 00:53:43 | |
| 3% and then the other four would go a little bit less than 3%. | 00:53:49 | |
| For Jorge we did only I only went up to 80 something, so four positions 81. | 00:53:57 | |
| Hi. | 00:54:05 | |
| Outline the number of. | 00:54:06 | |
| OK, so our. | 00:54:09 | |
| These two. | 00:54:13 | |
| Our second deputy would go up to the 86634. | 00:54:17 | |
| Our lead missing or deputy would go up to the 86634. | 00:54:22 | |
| And then our third deputy prosecutor would go up to the 86634. | 00:54:27 | |
| And then our 4th Deputy Prosecutor would go up to 80. | 00:54:31 | |
| 281. | 00:54:36 | |
| 80. | 00:54:37 | |
| 80,281 and then our. | 00:54:38 | |
| 5th Deputy processor would go up to 77250. | 00:54:42 | |
| And she would be the only one, the whole 3%, and the other four would be a little bit less than 3%. And in turn that saves. | 00:54:45 | |
| Almost $9000. | 00:54:54 | |
| Instead of asking the third deputy. | 00:54:56 | |
| What? | 00:55:00 | |
| And the number on the third deputy prosecutor would be the 86634 and but I'm looking at something here showing me supposed to be | 00:55:00 | |
| 8281 and midpoint. | 00:55:05 | |
| For the third deputy one, yes, on the listing I have. | 00:55:10 | |
| 7. | 00:55:14 | |
| Back. | 00:55:15 | |
| Right, but it but the midpoint is 80,000 something, so this one was not supposed to get a raise. | 00:55:18 | |
| Because they're above the midpoint. | 00:55:24 | |
| You don't give a raise to those above them already. Yeah, but OK, what does the 4th Deputy say? | 00:55:27 | |
| Is. | 00:55:40 | |
| OK, that's OK. Yeah, that that's what we were asking. | 00:55:43 | |
| What does the bird say? | 00:55:47 | |
| 8. | 00:55:50 | |
| OK. No, that's what we that's no third. | 00:55:52 | |
| What? | 00:55:56 | |
| Listen, you gave me. | 00:55:57 | |
| 3rd Deputy I I checked whatever I think Michelle sent me a while back and it the 1st, the 2nd. | 00:55:59 | |
| We, the second deputy, lead misdemeanor deputy and 3rd deputy all made the same. | 00:56:06 | |
| They were all categorized as the same. | 00:56:11 | |
| And that's where I got the 86634. | 00:56:13 | |
| Yeah, so based on. | 00:56:18 | |
| What Michelle has a modified emotion. | 00:56:20 | |
| To include into the budget and clarify for the the the Utters office. | 00:56:23 | |
| That there's three positions, third deputy 86634, one fourth deputy position at 80,281. | 00:56:29 | |
| 1/5 Deputy at 77250 and 1 Paralegal at 7 at 47725. | 00:56:37 | |
| 2nd. | 00:56:44 | |
| Motion and a second. | 00:56:47 | |
| Like the discussion? | 00:56:49 | |
| Yeah, we'll wait. | 00:56:52 | |
| OK. | 00:56:59 | |
| Brain, that Public defenders, Office administrator. | 00:57:01 | |
| Yeah, I was going to get to that after this, but we can talk about that. We'll get to that next. | 00:57:07 | |
| Yeah. We appreciate you all. | 00:57:16 | |
| Going through. | 00:57:18 | |
| The. | 00:57:28 | |
| Comma. | 00:57:31 | |
| Right. | 00:57:34 | |
| Are we good? | 00:57:44 | |
| No, she showed me one number and the number I got in the handout are different. I don't know why they're different. | 00:57:46 | |
| Confused by that? | 00:57:51 | |
| OK, we have a motion and a second. Any discussion? | 00:57:54 | |
| All in favor of she's not even she. Can you confirm that number is correct? | 00:57:58 | |
| All the solos have one midpoint. | 00:58:03 | |
| The midpoint is the midpoint, right? Ohh no. | 00:58:09 | |
| The 5th Deputy sees our new attire. She would be. | 00:58:14 | |
| OK, not at this moment. Yeah, OK. | 00:58:17 | |
| Ohh, I might have it. Well, while we're waiting on that. | 00:58:23 | |
| We have a motion Ohh, we're in discussion. I'll discuss a different topic then. | 00:58:30 | |
| There. So to your point, Gloria, I think that. | 00:58:36 | |
| The. | 00:58:39 | |
| Public Defenders office tries to keep in mind with prosecutors office they use it as a benchmark. | 00:58:41 | |
| Not just locally, but also I think the State Commission, Public Defenders Commission tries to, you know. | 00:58:46 | |
| Keep parity with that. | 00:58:53 | |
| I believe and correct before I'm wrong. I believe that the public defenders office administrator. | 00:58:55 | |
| Did include a 3% COLA, but the the Prosecutors office and the Office administrator did not. Is that? | 00:59:02 | |
| Right. We need to bring those to the same. So I would recommend that we also. | 00:59:10 | |
| Not apply public defender. | 00:59:14 | |
| Office administrator Cowa. | 00:59:17 | |
| Because if we're not doing it for the prosecutor's office, I don't think we should do it for the defense of the public defenders | 00:59:19 | |
| office, so. | 00:59:22 | |
| I can work that into, I guess a separate motion. | 00:59:28 | |
| 4755. | 00:59:34 | |
| What's the midpoint for that position? | 00:59:39 | |
| It's. | 00:59:41 | |
| 6/6. | 00:59:42 | |
| OK. | 00:59:44 | |
| Yeah, it's different than what was provided. That's why I'm asking why they're different. | 00:59:45 | |
| OK, So what she gave me. So there's a motion and a second. | 00:59:51 | |
| To bring. | 00:59:54 | |
| For all that. | 00:59:57 | |
| Our positions. | 00:59:59 | |
| Happy position, yes. | 01:00:00 | |
| 6 total. | 01:00:03 | |
| Yes, Yep. Yes. | 01:00:05 | |
| Crackers. | 01:00:08 | |
| Yeah, there's three third deputies. | 01:00:09 | |
| 1/4 one fifth one. | 01:00:13 | |
| OK, yeah, that's true. | 01:00:15 | |
| Apparently in the position, Yeah, that's already, that's already been included already. Yeah, that one. Correct. OK, we have a | 01:00:17 | |
| motion and a second. | 01:00:22 | |
| All in favor, say aye. Any opposed? | 01:00:28 | |
| Motion carries. | 01:00:33 | |
| Another motion to to. | 01:00:33 | |
| Keep the. | 01:00:36 | |
| The Prosecutor's office administrator and the Public defender office administrator at the same level. Take the COLA. Basically, | 01:00:38 | |
| that's in there now, away from the PD office administrator to keep those two positions. | 01:00:44 | |
| 2nd. | 01:00:52 | |
| Motion and a second discussion all in favor, say aye, aye. Any opposed. | 01:00:54 | |
| OK. | 01:01:00 | |
| Anything else? | 01:01:01 | |
| Ohh. | 01:01:04 | |
| I haven't seen an updated budget since the first, but. | 01:01:06 | |
| There's the two additional. | 01:01:10 | |
| Officers don't and the sheriff budget. | 01:01:13 | |
| Yes. | 01:01:16 | |
| I believe they found a way to pay for it. I don't think there's an additional cost. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's still in the | 01:01:18 | |
| budget forms, right? | 01:01:21 | |
| Have we seen those adjustments? What's being cut? Is that going to be tomorrow when we get to see those? Can you come up please? | 01:01:25 | |
| Both positions are there. What we've done is we've reallocated increasing management. | 01:01:36 | |
| Cost along with job descriptions. | 01:01:42 | |
| To accommodate. | 01:01:44 | |
| 25% of the captain salaries. | 01:01:47 | |
| On the On the shelves to the general Lead fund. | 01:01:50 | |
| Which is freeing up about $80,000 in salaries and as well we're moving $80,000. We haven't moved it yet, but we're gonna move | 01:01:53 | |
| $80,000 out of our equipment, the line of until the salary line. So if it's OK if if this gets blessed, we'll coordinate with | 01:01:58 | |
| our's office. | 01:02:03 | |
| To move that out of the equipment line up into the sewer line for the merit office and that will be for 20/24/2024, yes ma'am, as | 01:02:09 | |
| well as now. | 01:02:13 | |
| We were just gonna move them in 2024. In 2020. OK. If you could put that in writing so we can see that. Yeah, Send it to us. You | 01:02:18 | |
| gotta appreciate it. Yes, Sir. | 01:02:22 | |
| Did why you up there? Did you know that grant position now are they? | 01:02:27 | |
| Your sultants position that you had grant money for that fell short and you were imposing funds from another grant to cover the | 01:02:32 | |
| difference. | 01:02:36 | |
| Did you make those changes? | 01:02:40 | |
| For that grant. | 01:02:42 | |
| We're a little restrictive on the bill. The ability to do that because of the grant money is actually housed in the jail lift | 01:02:44 | |
| fund. | 01:02:47 | |
| So I'm trying to figure out a way to cleanly and clearly identify that process. The money still has been unused. We got another | 01:02:51 | |
| sheriff got another $6000 for that particular grant. | 01:02:57 | |
| From our place, so the 36,000 is currently being housed in the jail unit fund. | 01:03:04 | |
| But we just need to clarify exactly how that. | 01:03:09 | |
| Can accommodate the benefits for the 9131, the grant, the ideal seat grant, yeah, because we just talked about cleaning that up. | 01:03:12 | |
| So we can go year to year to budget to know that it's covered and then if the grant this continues, then we know. | 01:03:19 | |
| But. | 01:03:27 | |
| No, I certainly agree I would. I just want to make sure that when we do this, we do it absolutely right the first time, so we | 01:03:27 | |
| don't end up muddy in the waters in any form of fashion at this point. So I'll be glad to work with you on that and we can maybe | 01:03:32 | |
| just some other. I'm just wondering how it's affecting this budget. That's why I'm trying to make sure we get this all clean, | 01:03:36 | |
| That's all. | 01:03:40 | |
| We're going to put that line on item in there playing the forecast for the carry over. That $36,000 wasn't part of that carryover. | 01:03:46 | |
| It was isolated strictly for the benefits of it. | 01:03:51 | |
| That I will see. | 01:03:56 | |
| Employee. | 01:03:58 | |
| So you just got to clearly identify exactly how it's. | 01:04:00 | |
| Good health benefits. | 01:04:05 | |
| Check. | 01:04:08 | |
| OK. Anything else? | 01:04:10 | |
| Did we for the prosecutors office, was there a receptionist position added. Is that correct that with this one that's kind of | 01:04:12 | |
| being funded with other accounts right now? Do we add that in the budget? | 01:04:17 | |
| There was nothing, but I think we took it out. | 01:04:23 | |
| It was pulled out. OK, that's what I wanna make sure. | 01:04:26 | |
| Anything else? She's got her hand down. | 01:04:31 | |
| Public Defenders Office. | 01:04:35 | |
| That. | 01:04:38 | |
| Another administrator. | 01:04:41 | |
| $20,000. | 01:04:45 | |
| It's not. | 01:04:48 | |
| But it is in the budget. | 01:04:52 | |
| Yeah. | 01:04:54 | |
| So we need to add it to the sales order. | 01:04:54 | |
| Adding. | 01:04:59 | |
| I think they were planning that out of his, his specialty funding when they're coming out of the general fund. | 01:05:02 | |
| It's coming out of. | 01:05:09 | |
| Well. | 01:05:11 | |
| Is that? | 01:05:15 | |
| Does that fund get replenished every year or are we going to sneak this one in a year from now? | 01:05:17 | |
| Please. | 01:05:23 | |
| With some of them anymore, we did have a whole discussion we didn't want to do. | 01:05:25 | |
| I thought we have came with a compromise. I think we're going to bring, we're going to bring the three over from superior two or | 01:05:32 | |
| one. | 01:05:35 | |
| Ministrator that's gonna get paid out of the 1200 time. | 01:05:41 | |
| And I think I, you guys, I know that you all this stuff, all that during the budget hearings with him, but because he's able to | 01:05:45 | |
| perform it all through his stuff. | 01:05:49 | |
| And came a time that you all were gonna negate that, but I need to know if we need to pull it. | 01:05:55 | |
| The new positions. | 01:06:06 | |
| So is that new or is that a or is that a carryover from supplemental to something new? | 01:06:10 | |
| So he's so he's gonna keep on and supplemental and and he wants another one created in county general is that right? | 01:06:17 | |
| I think I've got a picture of this. There was one in the. | 01:06:24 | |
| There was one in the full time at 40. | 01:06:29 | |
| And then he was moving the 18,500 back to the supplemental fund. | 01:06:32 | |
| Yeah. | 01:06:37 | |
| And then he was also putting the deputy public defender. | 01:06:39 | |
| At 60,000. | 01:06:43 | |
| Or I guess it's zeroed out this year back to the supplier? | 01:06:45 | |
| He's supporting it, I think for a year ago with the compromise that came up with for a year or I don't even know how many. | 01:06:49 | |
| And still. | 01:06:58 | |
| At that time at the Council meeting that the put it back in the general. | 01:07:00 | |
| Call. | 01:07:06 | |
| So we are. | 01:07:12 | |
| Is there what there's? There's need to be a clarification on this. | 01:07:13 | |
| Are we? Asked Michelle. We need to. | 01:07:19 | |
| And there's a, there is a 40% reimbursement on that, is that right? | 01:07:26 | |
| That's one position that qualifies for 40%. | 01:07:31 | |
| I mean. | 01:07:42 | |
| Umm. | 01:07:44 | |
| We've had to. We got that. | 01:07:46 | |
| Stern letter from the Commission. | 01:07:48 | |
| On Public Defenders Commission, and I've talked to Daniel, I mean it's. | 01:07:51 | |
| They they basically have 3 phases. They inform you, they warn you, and then they take action. | 01:07:56 | |
| Yeah, yeah. | 01:08:03 | |
| And we're at, we're at stage one. I don't care to get to stage two or three. So personally I'm OK with it. | 01:08:06 | |
| So was this a SIT District assistant? That's part of the. | 01:08:13 | |
| Letter from the state. | 01:08:18 | |
| These are art at it because he's taking on 3 new attorneys. | 01:08:20 | |
| What? What's the reason behind that? | 01:08:23 | |
| I thought that was just when that just for the attorneys, for the lawyers, this is a, you know, this, this position is created | 01:08:26 | |
| because he's taking on. | 01:08:30 | |
| He's taking on more workload. He's taking on three more in three additional from Superior One or whatever county court is he's | 01:08:35 | |
| taking that on. | 01:08:39 | |
| OK, great. | 01:08:43 | |
| I think it's technically additional workloads though. | 01:08:46 | |
| That's more media offices. | 01:08:49 | |
| That that court doesn't usually go through city office. | 01:08:52 | |
| Nor do the cases. | 01:08:56 | |
| So his office is now taking on those public defenders, along with the caseload that they. | 01:08:57 | |
| Take service of his administrative assistant, which he basically has 1 1/2. | 01:09:05 | |
| Um. | 01:09:10 | |
| Is 1 and a part timer. | 01:09:11 | |
| Or maybe even a part timer? | 01:09:13 | |
| Because he's got his receptionist, but. | 01:09:16 | |
| They're now inheriting all of those spaces. | 01:09:19 | |
| This. | 01:09:24 | |
| How many do the prosecutors have? | 01:09:24 | |
| We're talking parody. | 01:09:27 | |
| That was the question. | 01:09:31 | |
| The administrative assistance How many? | 01:09:32 | |
| A lot more than 2 1/2. | 01:09:37 | |
| But I guess. | 01:09:40 | |
| It clarified. | 01:09:41 | |
| The three public defenders from Superior Two are now being purged into. | 01:09:44 | |
| The Public Defenders office. | 01:09:49 | |
| So that is going to increase the workload for the public defenders office administratively, not necessarily for the attorneys. | 01:09:51 | |
| But the attorneys can no longer go to Superior to staff. | 01:09:59 | |
| And with with any help they, they will rely on the public defenders staff for help and that's why I believe. | 01:10:03 | |
| Matt asked for additional help because that's going to be additional workload for. | 01:10:10 | |
| The OR the PO? | 01:10:14 | |
| RPD, sorry. | 01:10:17 | |
| OK. Anything else do we need to clarify that because I don't think we've. | 01:10:27 | |
| It's in the budget, but not in the salary ordinance. | 01:10:32 | |
| I'm tired of it's not salary ordinance. I'm. | 01:10:35 | |
| They need to be the same. | 01:10:40 | |
| I'll make a motion then to edit to the salary ones. | 01:10:43 | |
| The position. | 01:10:46 | |
| That motion. | 01:10:47 | |
| To the second. | 01:10:49 | |
| I'll second it. | 01:10:51 | |
| Have a motion and a second. | 01:10:53 | |
| And you discussion. | 01:10:55 | |
| And we had it all in favor. Say aye, Aye. Raise your hand. | 01:10:57 | |
| Compose. | 01:11:03 | |
| OK, good cares. | 01:11:04 | |
| OK. Anything else? | 01:11:11 | |
| I noticed in the IT budget. | 01:11:15 | |
| There was 56,000 added for additional IT software that come out of another budget that they had. | 01:11:17 | |
| They're going to the general fund. | 01:11:25 | |
| I just want to resurrect that we're trying to cut. | 01:11:27 | |
| Cost here. | 01:11:30 | |
| 44,000 last year, now sent to 100,000 in the general fund. They had it charged to another account. | 01:11:32 | |
| But fold it out and decide to add it to here I. | 01:11:38 | |
| The question. | 01:11:41 | |
| Can we afford that? I mean, we're trying to make cuts to these budgets. | 01:11:42 | |
| I would call that was for the. | 01:11:45 | |
| That. | 01:11:48 | |
| It's nothing new. They already had it budgeted. | 01:11:50 | |
| In their own. | 01:11:52 | |
| Well, I think I can only speculate that was because the crash that the edit is under. | 01:11:54 | |
| They were probably fun ways, I can only speculate. Now they're finding ways to move. | 01:11:59 | |
| Current expenses around so. | 01:12:04 | |
| Yeah, I don't know. | 01:12:06 | |
| I don't know what we want to do with that because they it increased, what, 56,000? | 01:12:08 | |
| We'd have to move it somewhere else. | 01:12:12 | |
| Correctly from Vegetarian. | 01:12:16 | |
| This particular line of people get asked about it. | 01:12:19 | |
| EDIT. | 01:12:22 | |
| Was the result of edit edit. | 01:12:23 | |
| Being under a crunch. | 01:12:26 | |
| And typically they split the cost between. | 01:12:28 | |
| Edit and the general fund, and I think you said you had shipped the whole entire amount. | 01:12:31 | |
| Instead of having it split between. | 01:12:37 | |
| Was there any notes on moving the two 9130? | 01:12:40 | |
| 2130 Research Capital. | 01:12:47 | |
| Can you put? | 01:12:50 | |
| That's not capital. Ohh, I don't know it's. | 01:12:52 | |
| Whatever the. | 01:12:55 | |
| On that mission. | 01:12:56 | |
| 9130. | 01:12:58 | |
| Cortana. | 01:13:05 | |
| Or isn't it? Isn't that where their spin rate goes? | 01:13:10 | |
| Nonetheless, I don't know. | 01:13:15 | |
| Just look at. | 01:13:18 | |
| I don't know what we want to do with that. I mean, I think that's for the. | 01:13:22 | |
| The firewall intrusion. | 01:13:28 | |
| Testing. | 01:13:31 | |
| That happens every year. I think it's important. | 01:13:32 | |
| Cyber security, Cyber security. Thank you. | 01:13:35 | |
| Quite. | 01:13:38 | |
| What? | 01:13:39 | |
| So it's it's definitely a needed expense. It's working. | 01:13:40 | |
| That's where you want to put it. | 01:13:43 | |
| Yeah. | 01:13:44 | |
| And I think, I think that's what I recall. | 01:13:48 | |
| Yeah. | 01:13:55 | |
| I don't know where we would come up with it. | 01:13:58 | |
| They are under a crunch with edit it's. | 01:14:03 | |
| Lower next year than it than it is this year. | 01:14:06 | |
| As far as funding revenue? | 01:14:08 | |
| Anything else? | 01:14:14 | |
| I've had the question. | 01:14:17 | |
| I'm looking at that print out that we've got from the reading group and. | 01:14:18 | |
| Transfer in from LITED? Is that the? | 01:14:22 | |
| Said. | 01:14:26 | |
| It went from 500,000 to 50 is that was. | 01:14:27 | |
| They're contributing to that capital that is. Is that what that is? | 01:14:31 | |
| That is the. | 01:14:37 | |
| Look, go behind. | 01:14:40 | |
| And you? | 01:14:41 | |
| There was $500,000 that was gonna go somewhere. | 01:14:44 | |
| So the current. | 01:14:48 | |
| Thinking is that we're going to split that. | 01:14:50 | |
| 5050. | 01:14:52 | |
| It has hardly titled in the updated budget. | 01:14:54 | |
| The line that that's coming out. | 01:15:00 | |
| OK. | 01:15:03 | |
| And what revenues in there? | 01:15:05 | |
| When that gets retitled. | 01:15:08 | |
| You know with big dollar amount is in there. | 01:15:09 | |
| Can we make sure we put that on the joint meeting too and can we make can? | 01:15:14 | |
| Is there a rest? I talked with Al about resolution so that we can all sign that. | 01:15:20 | |
| And get this behind us. We gotta do that before the end of the year, just to clarify. | 01:15:26 | |
| Go ahead. | 01:15:30 | |
| Clarify what you want. | 01:15:32 | |
| So. | 01:15:33 | |
| Go Bond. | 01:15:37 | |
| Resolution. | 01:15:38 | |
| Where it's going to be a joint resolution. A joint resolution, Yeah, I mean, I'm. | 01:15:42 | |
| I I've never signed off on 250 myself. No matter. It's just you know it's we signed off on. We actually signed off on 500. We have | 01:15:46 | |
| a resolution already passed. | 01:15:51 | |
| But they did that 100, but they never signed it. We sent it to them, they never signed it. So, So what's it gonna go in on the | 01:15:56 | |
| budget? I guess that's my question. | 01:16:01 | |
| Is what is it funded at? | 01:16:05 | |
| What It's got what? | 01:16:13 | |
| So if it's anything less, it just affects the bottom line. I mean, it could stay at 500, but if that's not what it ends up being | 01:16:16 | |
| agreed to. | 01:16:19 | |
| Really. Group has 250 in their projections. | 01:16:23 | |
| OK. | 01:16:28 | |
| Yeah, they just. | 01:16:29 | |
| Put it back at 2:50. | 01:16:30 | |
| Because I think they were talking to the Commissioners about. | 01:16:31 | |
| Yes. | 01:16:34 | |
| That, yeah, sure, it doesn't matter. | 01:16:36 | |
| We gotta we gotta resolve it some one way or another. | 01:16:38 | |
| OK. | 01:16:42 | |
| So all the judicial raises that. | 01:16:45 | |
| Move to external mid instead of 3%. So everyone's OK with that. I mean we're talking about we have to. | 01:16:48 | |
| Make these cuts the circuit, all the court members that got the significant raises. | 01:16:55 | |
| We're gonna, I mean, we're talking about crunching and we need to look at some things without cutting services or cutting jobs. | 01:17:02 | |
| Aren't we gonna have to refocus on some of that stuff? | 01:17:06 | |
| So I mean you talking about the the courts. Yeah, So I'll address that. | 01:17:11 | |
| I think Dale, you and I met with the courts. The court are two. Two of the of the judges still are in Judge Brown, yeah. | 01:17:18 | |
| And. | 01:17:27 | |
| They have what I would consider a fair request to keep in line with the prosecutor's office. Pat pat bees, I believe. | 01:17:28 | |
| Umm. | 01:17:36 | |
| And they're. | 01:17:38 | |
| Substantially below that right now. | 01:17:39 | |
| And. | 01:17:43 | |
| They did say that. Ohh, they did they they did OfferUp cuts. I believe most of it, if not all of it came from. | 01:17:46 | |
| Judge Brown. | 01:17:53 | |
| Budget. | 01:17:55 | |
| So they did OfferUp touch to to pay for that. So that's. | 01:17:56 | |
| Well, you cut his law books. | 01:18:00 | |
| Yeah, substantially. So it's paid for. | 01:18:02 | |
| So it's a, it's a virtually net neutral expense. | 01:18:05 | |
| To make that happen. | 01:18:10 | |
| I was I just say you know you know Jim is first year for for for you being here. I know this is not a threat but it's just real | 01:18:11 | |
| talk that if it if this doesn't happen. | 01:18:17 | |
| I'm confident that a mandate will. | 01:18:24 | |
| Follow and that's going to. | 01:18:27 | |
| Well. | 01:18:30 | |
| That that'll cost more money and. | 01:18:32 | |
| We'll probably end up right back where we are, so. | 01:18:34 | |
| We can do what we want to do there, but. | 01:18:37 | |
| I personally have had. | 01:18:40 | |
| The conversations and on my due diligence and I'm OK with it. | 01:18:42 | |
| Yeah, I'll chime in there, Brad. We both of us met. | 01:18:46 | |
| And I think I've stated in public that. | 01:18:51 | |
| It's the best thing that's happened with that Wis study. | 01:18:55 | |
| His job descriptions? | 01:18:59 | |
| And I've if you remember Brad, I. | 01:19:01 | |
| I asked what is there? | 01:19:03 | |
| Job description What is it? Michelle Pat. Two in the prosecutor's office Pat. Pat, Do you believe? | 01:19:05 | |
| Happy. | 01:19:10 | |
| Are you confused all the acronyms? | 01:19:12 | |
| So, but then the court staff was less than happy. But they're Patty. | 01:19:14 | |
| Qualify. | 01:19:19 | |
| So. | 01:19:20 | |
| And I've often stated that if we had this job description, if you're a pat beyond care what office you work in, you should make | 01:19:21 | |
| things out you could work in. Whatever office you work in don't matter. | 01:19:26 | |
| You're paying for the job, the pet fee. | 01:19:31 | |
| Or the? | 01:19:33 | |
| Comments, or whatever they they are to be consistent. | 01:19:34 | |
| OK. Anything else? | 01:19:46 | |
| Yeah, Michelle has her. | 01:19:49 | |
| So. | 01:19:51 | |
| It was discussed. | 01:19:52 | |
| With the surveyor to move his. | 01:19:54 | |
| Party composition to a whole composition. | 01:19:56 | |
| And he was gonna pay for it. | 01:20:00 | |
| Over. | 01:20:05 | |
| It's on the. It's on the agenda for for the upcoming meeting. | 01:20:06 | |
| So I think. | 01:20:10 | |
| Through the budget and then. | 01:20:11 | |
| And. | 01:20:14 | |
| So I need to know who put her on. | 01:20:15 | |
| The salary. | 01:20:18 | |
| Yes. | 01:20:21 | |
| For next year's. | 01:20:22 | |
| Right now, she just put it in the budget and put her on the ordinance. | 01:20:24 | |
| Well. | 01:20:29 | |
| Closely as possible, and they are on the agenda. | 01:20:31 | |
| OK. | 01:20:35 | |
| Yeah, if it doesn't pass on the 16th, then we can modify it. | 01:20:38 | |
| But I would prepare it right now. | 01:20:41 | |
| So you would have to approve it effective January 1st. | 01:20:50 | |
| The adjustment. | 01:20:55 | |
| It's already in the bank. | 01:20:57 | |
| Now. | 01:20:59 | |
| It's not. It's not in the general fund. | 01:21:02 | |
| But it's. | 01:21:06 | |
| The. | 01:21:09 | |
| Once you add that and the benefits, it will be really advertised. | 01:21:10 | |
| For that. | 01:21:15 | |
| Ohh for the Cornerstone Fund. Yeah. Ohh for the Cornerstone Fund. OK, that makes sense. OK. | 01:21:17 | |
| Well, that may not be the only thing that happens because there's there's times in January 1st meeting in January we have to clean | 01:21:25 | |
| up. | 01:21:27 | |
| Some things that didn't quite make it into the budget process. | 01:21:31 | |
| Not going to be reflected in the 1202. | 01:21:36 | |
| Find some budget adoption. | 01:21:41 | |
| My opinion is that we need an offer salary. Modify it in January if you add it to the orders at that time. | 01:21:44 | |
| He had the best. | 01:21:52 | |
| Ohh, but they're But they're gonna have to pay at that rate before we meet. | 01:21:57 | |
| So. | 01:22:02 | |
| If we're going to pay them if we approve this on on Monday. | 01:22:03 | |
| We're going to modify the salary ordinance to reflect. | 01:22:07 | |
| What we approved. | 01:22:11 | |
| But you'll be modified, please. | 01:22:12 | |
| But what he's saying in 2024, is there a pay period before we meet and she won't get her pay. We'll have to retroactive that then. | 01:22:16 | |
| Let's just put it on. Why does it have to stay off? | 01:22:31 | |
| Probably needs to reflect that the correct pay. | 01:22:35 | |
| For the person, yes, he wants to feel it ASAP. That's why he asked to be on the agenda for make a note that in January we need to | 01:22:40 | |
| make sure it gets in the budget. | 01:22:45 | |
| Because we're going to modify an additional appropriation if if it passes, we're going to modify the current salary ordinance and | 01:22:50 | |
| they're going to start paying. | 01:22:54 | |
| Right away. | 01:22:58 | |
| Actually, I think. | 01:22:59 | |
| There might be. I forget what the request is. It's either right away or maybe a little bit retroactive, I don't know. | 01:23:00 | |
| You know, and we can do this. So if Danny, we were able to do something with the building authority. | 01:23:09 | |
| In January we can make. | 01:23:15 | |
| A. | 01:23:18 | |
| And the appropriation, the appropriation, and. | 01:23:21 | |
| You know, we'll save that money. | 01:23:25 | |
| But we need to do it in the correct order. I don't think we do. | 01:23:27 | |
| Cut the budget and then do that. | 01:23:31 | |
| And that. | 01:23:34 | |
| Where do we end up on the salary or the employee insurance? I never did hear the final. | 01:23:35 | |
| The commissioners were waiting on some quotes and stuff, but I think did didn't we add like $500,000 to that budget? | 01:23:42 | |
| Side just was curious where those numbers came out or what it was for healthcare costs for 2024? | 01:23:49 | |
| 3.7 million and we think we're going to be more than that this year. | 01:23:57 | |
| We're going to be right at 3.7 this year. | 01:24:02 | |
| You will have it. | 01:24:05 | |
| Yeah. | 01:24:08 | |
| And you know, we're going to be self funded next year, so it could be. | 01:24:12 | |
| Right, right. Trouble yourself. | 01:24:17 | |
| Yeah. | 01:24:20 | |
| It could go up or down. | 01:24:22 | |
| So we discussed earlier other options of getting these budgets down. | 01:24:26 | |
| Are we gonna look at anything? Any and? | 01:24:30 | |
| Trying to get. | 01:24:33 | |
| Some employee benefits down or something to try to get these this deficit down without cutting jobs. | 01:24:34 | |
| So are we going to look at any of those or do we have control over reducing some of those? So I think it's that we have to get the | 01:24:40 | |
| commissioners involved in order to do any of that. It's not under our. | 01:24:46 | |
| Of. | 01:24:53 | |
| Purview to. | 01:24:54 | |
| Cut her off. | 01:24:58 | |
| I guess we could cut them the money. | 01:25:01 | |
| Associated with her, but we can't. | 01:25:04 | |
| We can't change the ordinance of 3%. | 01:25:08 | |
| Well, that's that's where I'm getting at. I mean, if we can't afford it, we don't. If we're running these deficits, what are we | 01:25:11 | |
| gonna do? So we need to get with the, the, the commissioners and have a meeting to see what we can do. And again, what I would say | 01:25:16 | |
| is we're too late for 2020. | 01:25:21 | |
| We're too late to get it in the budget for this year, however, if we can get an agreement within the next three months. | 01:25:27 | |
| We can always make a the appropriation. | 01:25:35 | |
| And. | 01:25:38 | |
| In January. | 01:25:40 | |
| I mean, I would like to talk about perfect the joint meeting. | 01:25:43 | |
| Gloria, again, can we put that on the agenda to talk about Perth? | 01:25:48 | |
| During the joint meeting. | 01:25:55 | |
| May we look at this insurance they have, I mean it's employee match percentage is really low and then they provide. | 01:26:01 | |
| Spouse or family benefits that you just don't get out in public. I mean, you pick up that cost yourself. You're trying to cure | 01:26:08 | |
| your if you. | 01:26:12 | |
| Trying to carry on, so we're carrying a heavy load here, a lot of benefits we're providing. | 01:26:16 | |
| And we've talked about getting these salaries up and they're getting pensions. They're already getting equivalent now to. | 01:26:22 | |
| Other We've done everything we can to get them at affordable rates, and yet we're still providing some benefits. | 01:26:29 | |
| That public you know. | 01:26:34 | |
| Other people don't get. | 01:26:36 | |
| So we gotta really look at that. We're really trying to talk about getting this deficit in line. | 01:26:37 | |
| So you wanna put healthcare cost, healthcare and again I think it's it's too late, we're having open enrollment right now. | 01:26:44 | |
| So. | 01:26:52 | |
| A little late on contributions for. | 01:26:54 | |
| Healthcare, I think. Or am I right? | 01:26:59 | |
| But. | 01:27:03 | |
| We need to have the conversations on an ongoing basis. I do you know because it's A to be continued, we talk about it our joint | 01:27:05 | |
| meetings. | 01:27:09 | |
| Push Pause on it. We may do a little research, do a diligence, come back and see what the progress report is. | 01:27:13 | |
| Because these things. | 01:27:18 | |
| These complicated topics about insurance, perf and building forwarding others are not going to be solved in one or two meetings. | 01:27:20 | |
| There's going to have to be a lot of. | 01:27:24 | |
| You know data and research and things and so I think it's appropriate to. | 01:27:28 | |
| Keep it under, you know, hold business as you will for these charges. | 01:27:34 | |
| So we can can we have a a agenda item called benefit and maybe dash births comma there. | 01:27:38 | |
| Something like that, healthcare. | 01:27:45 | |
| What is going to call healthcare companies? | 01:27:49 | |
| Employee compensation. | 01:27:53 | |
| More than willing to look at those things. | 01:27:58 | |
| We always seem to get to this point and then want to talk about them and. | 01:28:02 | |
| It's. | 01:28:06 | |
| It's like it's like the day. | 01:28:08 | |
| Addressing those things, but maybe if we start talking about them now, we can be. | 01:28:10 | |
| Prepared. | 01:28:14 | |
| For different discussions come next year. | 01:28:16 | |
| And maybe perks on too, but I don't know. | 01:28:21 | |
| Anything else? | 01:28:27 | |
| But those are where the savings are going to come. | 01:28:30 | |
| Not with, you know. | 01:28:33 | |
| Taken up. | 01:28:35 | |
| Make a. | 01:28:37 | |
| Part time. | 01:28:38 | |
| Person at 28 hours. There's 25 hours that. | 01:28:39 | |
| You know. | 01:28:42 | |
| Michelle or Michelle, are you good? | 01:28:44 | |
| Is the auditor's office good? | 01:28:47 | |
| I'll make a motion to adjourn. | 01:28:50 | |
| 2nd. | 01:28:51 | |
| Motion in a second. All in favor. Say aye, Aye. Thank you, guys. | 01:28:52 | |
| Yeah. | 01:29:17 |
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| We'll call the 6:00 special meeting to order. We'll stand for the pledge. | 00:00:13 | |
| OK, well, we're here tonight to talk about the 2024 budget and. | 00:00:37 | |
| Any changes that need to be made to what we currently have? | 00:00:44 | |
| In the hands of Diana and Gloria. | 00:00:51 | |
| My goal would be that we can discuss any changes that need to be made. | 00:00:55 | |
| Get you guys to make those changes. | 00:01:01 | |
| I know Tim said that we didn't need to have this in Gateway for the adoption. | 00:01:04 | |
| I would like to have it in Gateway because I think it's just much cleaner. I don't know what you think. | 00:01:09 | |
| Gloria and Diana. | 00:01:16 | |
| OK. | 00:01:20 | |
| Budget. | 00:01:22 | |
| Need to understand what we're adopting for that, for the 16th so. | 00:01:24 | |
| Um. | 00:01:29 | |
| So we'll start with whoever wants to start with anything that we need to bring up as far as changes. | 00:01:31 | |
| That we might need to make to the current budget. | 00:01:38 | |
| We need Sir. | 00:01:46 | |
| Sorry, we need to clarify. | 00:01:50 | |
| Just. | 00:01:53 | |
| To be sure, because I know there was discussion on it. | 00:01:55 | |
| Freezing the Council and Commissioners. | 00:01:59 | |
| Sorry for this year. | 00:02:01 | |
| To be the 23 members instead of 24 numbers. | 00:02:03 | |
| OK. | 00:02:07 | |
| Do we want to make a motion to? | 00:02:08 | |
| Go ahead and. | 00:02:11 | |
| On. | 00:02:12 | |
| Holder. | 00:02:14 | |
| Salaries concept or the commissioners and the council. Let's do one at a time. Let's do council yeah. So might want to make that | 00:02:15 | |
| motion and make a motion that for the 2024 budget the County Council members. | 00:02:22 | |
| Salaries remain the same as the 2023 budget. | 00:02:30 | |
| 2nd And a second all in favor, say aye, aye, Any opposed motion carries. | 00:02:33 | |
| OK. | 00:02:39 | |
| I'll do the same. I'll make a motion that the. | 00:02:41 | |
| Commissioners. | 00:02:45 | |
| Salary for the 2024 budget remained the same as the current 2023 budget. | 00:02:46 | |
| We have a motion. | 00:02:52 | |
| Do we have a second second? | 00:02:55 | |
| We have a second. | 00:02:57 | |
| Do we have discussion? | 00:02:58 | |
| Yeah, I I just like to to ask is there any reason why? | 00:03:00 | |
| And I get it. And I'm for freezing our salaries. Is there any reason why that kind of. | 00:03:07 | |
| I guess. | 00:03:14 | |
| Kind of. | 00:03:18 | |
| Is there any reason why we're doing it to the commissioners? | 00:03:21 | |
| Rather than all elected officials, I guess. Is there any reason why we're? | 00:03:24 | |
| Singling them out. | 00:03:28 | |
| Rather than. | 00:03:31 | |
| All other elected officials. | 00:03:33 | |
| I don't have any. | 00:03:38 | |
| No other than. | 00:03:41 | |
| We are before the public, the Commissioners are before the public. | 00:03:43 | |
| Quite often. | 00:03:46 | |
| We make a lot of decisions and I can. | 00:03:47 | |
| Assure you, Nanny. | 00:03:51 | |
| 5% of us. | 00:03:53 | |
| If not 100, we don't do this for the money. | 00:03:54 | |
| Right. It's a service to the community. | 00:03:58 | |
| You know. | 00:04:01 | |
| I just feel like we can set the example to the employees. | 00:04:02 | |
| If we're gonna. | 00:04:06 | |
| Give the raises, you know the 3% COLA because last year we discussed it may not be 3%. | 00:04:07 | |
| It may only be a percent. | 00:04:13 | |
| Or two or 1 1/2 or whatever. | 00:04:14 | |
| I think that shows to. | 00:04:17 | |
| The community and to. | 00:04:20 | |
| Our government employees that, hey, we're willing to take. | 00:04:23 | |
| A freeze this year I I just think it looks. | 00:04:26 | |
| Looks good that we're setting an example. | 00:04:29 | |
| Yeah. | 00:04:31 | |
| I think we should set that example. | 00:04:33 | |
| Because we do have to make cuts. | 00:04:36 | |
| I I was just wondering cause it looked like the information that we received. | 00:04:39 | |
| Maybe this week. | 00:04:44 | |
| From Commissioner Shawn Berger that they were a little. | 00:04:45 | |
| Lower. | 00:04:50 | |
| Than what? The average? | 00:04:51 | |
| Was. | 00:04:53 | |
| A lot of people surrounding us. | 00:04:55 | |
| I think we had the three. | 00:04:58 | |
| Say they were OK with the freeze. | 00:05:01 | |
| Jason said he was, Because I'm natural. | 00:05:06 | |
| I I kind of hedge. | 00:05:08 | |
| Yeah. | 00:05:11 | |
| Think so. | 00:05:12 | |
| I'm fine with it. | 00:05:21 | |
| I'm trying to see. | 00:05:28 | |
| But I went back on. | 00:05:30 | |
| WIF. | 00:05:33 | |
| I went back on a salary ordinance. | 00:05:35 | |
| Anthony, you're correct. | 00:05:37 | |
| Is that the commissioner's salary is about 32. | 00:05:39 | |
| I think below. | 00:05:43 | |
| The mainstream and I think the council is. | 00:05:46 | |
| Well. | 00:05:51 | |
| So we're 3000 bucks. So you're up here and we're down here. | 00:05:51 | |
| You know, and so you might continue. This isn't just for me, it's it's for it's for future commissioners. | 00:05:55 | |
| We talked about how over the years sales have not been brought up well because you haven't given given it covers. | 00:06:02 | |
| And I think I did a calculation, I think it would take like five years. | 00:06:09 | |
| To get the commissions up to mid. | 00:06:12 | |
| With a with a a 3% core, you know. | 00:06:14 | |
| You're talking about, I think for the commissioners, it's like. | 00:06:18 | |
| 15 I think we're in 2000 from like that. | 00:06:22 | |
| You know, for the Council of 27, come on, total of of what five, $6000? But again, that's your decision. You know, I laid out the | 00:06:26 | |
| facts. I'll let you guys decide how you want to cut it, dice it, interpret it, or whatever you want to be. Thank you. | 00:06:35 | |
| I pulled up the e-mail. | 00:06:46 | |
| From UH. | 00:06:48 | |
| Commissioner Sharpen. | 00:06:50 | |
| He did say he was OK with the color, but he did have two questions. | 00:06:51 | |
| One of them was the savings. | 00:06:55 | |
| If they didn't receive the. | 00:06:56 | |
| Cool. And what would the savings be and does anybody know that? | 00:06:59 | |
| And then how the how would the council utilize that savings? | 00:07:04 | |
| Other than that. | 00:07:10 | |
| Doesn't matter what the savings is. | 00:07:13 | |
| Permission. | 00:07:16 | |
| What? I'm sorry. | 00:07:18 | |
| By 2000 it was on your e-mail, right John? It was 2000 apiece or something? | 00:07:21 | |
| Yeah, 5242. | 00:07:32 | |
| Yeah. | 00:07:34 | |
| The additional portion. | 00:07:39 | |
| Councilman Terrance question concerning the other elected officials. | 00:07:42 | |
| Our chief deputy salaries are tied to ours. | 00:07:46 | |
| So the people who run our offices. | 00:07:50 | |
| Would not. | 00:07:54 | |
| I understand. I I just couldn't and and. | 00:07:59 | |
| I was just getting the slide. | 00:08:02 | |
| Because she knows. | 00:08:08 | |
| Jackie, chief deputies in our offices, their salaries are type cars. They get 85% of whatever our. I understand and and thank you | 00:08:09 | |
| and I respect that. | 00:08:14 | |
| But I also know that we just did a salary study as well. | 00:08:19 | |
| Which we're trying to keep everybody in line and I think that one thing that we need to understand is that. | 00:08:23 | |
| We're not talking about the salary for the person. | 00:08:30 | |
| We're talking about the salary for the position. | 00:08:34 | |
| OK, well we have a motion. | 00:08:39 | |
| And a second to hold the commissioners. | 00:08:43 | |
| Salary. | 00:08:47 | |
| On. | 00:08:48 | |
| For 2024 the same as 2023. | 00:08:50 | |
| All in favor, say aye, aye, aye. | 00:08:54 | |
| Raise your hand, please. | 00:08:58 | |
| Yeah, 4. | 00:09:01 | |
| All of all of those. | 00:09:03 | |
| OK. | 00:09:06 | |
| Uh, it passes. | 00:09:09 | |
| But it will be held. | 00:09:11 | |
| OK. | 00:09:14 | |
| 124 hours will be the same as 20/23 for commissioners. | 00:09:15 | |
| OK. | 00:09:20 | |
| Um. | 00:09:21 | |
| We it's OK. Do we have anything else we need to talk about? | 00:09:23 | |
| Yes, OK. | 00:09:28 | |
| Did we ever come to an agreement on whether we're taking the EMA to from part time to full time? | 00:09:31 | |
| The Emma. | 00:09:41 | |
| The deputy director said. | 00:09:43 | |
| But we were talking about, yeah, we have a deputy director. | 00:09:45 | |
| Proposed. | 00:09:49 | |
| Hello. | 00:09:51 | |
| Anybody wanna? | 00:09:53 | |
| Give the scenario here. | 00:09:55 | |
| Yeah, I mean, he's part time he's making. | 00:09:57 | |
| Thing was. | 00:10:00 | |
| 10. | 00:10:01 | |
| 10. | 00:10:02 | |
| Was it 10 hours per pay period? | 00:10:03 | |
| 11 hours per paycheck. | 00:10:07 | |
| And there's a reimbursement. | 00:10:13 | |
| Part of that as well. | 00:10:16 | |
| I think it came out to less than $20,000. | 00:10:18 | |
| To take them full time. | 00:10:21 | |
| Department can be reimbursed. | 00:10:26 | |
| Not. | 00:10:31 | |
| Yeah. | 00:10:37 | |
| Are we already getting the full 55,000 reimbursement? | 00:10:41 | |
| According to Tammy. | 00:10:46 | |
| Here. And yes, she applies for all the following. | 00:10:49 | |
| Spring second quarter next year? | 00:10:55 | |
| So we are receiving the 75. | 00:11:00 | |
| Or 55, I'm sorry, 55? | 00:11:04 | |
| Already. | 00:11:07 | |
| Fantastic. | 00:11:09 | |
| So if we. | 00:11:12 | |
| Take them from part time to full time working on. | 00:11:14 | |
| Acquire the rest of that salary. Is there something in between that we can do? | 00:11:17 | |
| Where we can. | 00:11:23 | |
| Make him a qualified part time person. | 00:11:25 | |
| But not giving full time position. So in other words don't limit his time. | 00:11:28 | |
| To five hours of a week. | 00:11:34 | |
| He's just following me, right? Right, actually. | 00:11:39 | |
| I believe Kent made a compelling argument that he should be full time because. | 00:11:45 | |
| As Michelle has stated, there's work. | 00:11:50 | |
| Like we had a major storm. | 00:11:53 | |
| While active. | 00:11:55 | |
| All hands on deck when that windstorm was here. | 00:11:57 | |
| And then things we don't even know about when there's a. | 00:12:00 | |
| Fuel spill on the Interstate, EMA is always involved in that kind of stuff. | 00:12:03 | |
| And honestly, I think Kent made a pretty compelling argument that he should be full time rather than. | 00:12:08 | |
| Part time and volunteering. | 00:12:14 | |
| Hours all the time. | 00:12:16 | |
| So Dale, I completely think you made a very compelling and I and I actually talked with what's the guy's name. | 00:12:18 | |
| Chase. | 00:12:26 | |
| He he says he's working. | 00:12:30 | |
| 3040 out. He's working 40 hours a week anyway. | 00:12:33 | |
| Um. | 00:12:37 | |
| I, I and I would love to get to get him for full time position, but I think maybe what we can do is transition into that and maybe | 00:12:40 | |
| give them a 25 hour or 30 hour Max. | 00:12:46 | |
| Uh, this year and get him to a full time position. Maybe next year. | 00:12:52 | |
| Go ahead. | 00:12:58 | |
| 28 So 20 What is it 20? | 00:13:02 | |
| 2828, thank you. I'm glad you're here. | 00:13:06 | |
| What would everybody think about something like that? | 00:13:10 | |
| Why is he limited just side the budget? | 00:13:17 | |
| Just five. Yeah. OK. | 00:13:21 | |
| But now? | 00:13:25 | |
| The tracking. | 00:13:29 | |
| It would be an additional 26,000. | 00:13:33 | |
| But they're getting the 55 anyway, right? | 00:13:39 | |
| 6000. | 00:13:47 | |
| Invite me spending that much just to put in part time, right or no? | 00:13:48 | |
| Benefits. | 00:13:54 | |
| And and I think I'm missing something. | 00:13:57 | |
| So we're already getting the 55. | 00:14:00 | |
| This year, and he's not. | 00:14:03 | |
| We're not getting any additional savings by making them. | 00:14:06 | |
| No. | 00:14:10 | |
| No, we're not right. | 00:14:11 | |
| No, because the Max is 55 and we're already getting it. So if we. | 00:14:14 | |
| Change them from part time to full time we inherit. | 00:14:18 | |
| Every bit of that additional salary. | 00:14:21 | |
| That that you're saying the same thing. | 00:14:24 | |
| That's what I'm saying. You're right. | 00:14:26 | |
| OK. Is it, is it based on the fact that we is 55,000 based on the fact that we have two positions that are full time? | 00:14:28 | |
| Is it based on any full time positions? | 00:14:35 | |
| Of the brain. | 00:14:39 | |
| She can't ask for more. | 00:14:41 | |
| What? | 00:14:42 | |
| I don't. I don't know if she could or couldn't. | 00:14:45 | |
| Is she as if the office is adding additional full time help? Maybe they can. | 00:14:47 | |
| Ask for an increase. I don't know the answer to that. | 00:14:53 | |
| Can't make no sense. | 00:15:01 | |
| I just think we've just had the discussion a minute ago about how this budget deficit continues to. | 00:15:03 | |
| Go up and we gotta stop the bleeding. And yet, here we go again. Where? Where? When do we say no? | 00:15:09 | |
| That's that's what I'm asking When, when is that cut off her? | 00:15:16 | |
| Because this budget is going to deficit, is going to continue. | 00:15:20 | |
| To grow every time we do something like this. | 00:15:23 | |
| And I'm gonna. | 00:15:31 | |
| Add to that is that. | 00:15:32 | |
| A lot of people do. I mean, we have volunteers in the M department. | 00:15:37 | |
| So I know you know are are we just gonna say we don't want volunteers for the county? | 00:15:42 | |
| Anymore at all? | 00:15:49 | |
| I think there's people that like to volunteer. | 00:15:52 | |
| So. | 00:15:56 | |
| You know if he doesn't, I don't know if he doesn't want to. | 00:15:58 | |
| Do the 30 hours. | 00:16:02 | |
| Then maybe we can find somebody who wants to volunteer part of their time and get paid part of their time. | 00:16:04 | |
| Just saying. | 00:16:09 | |
| True. | 00:16:15 | |
| I'm going to make a motion that we give them a part time position. | 00:16:16 | |
| Up to the 28 hours. | 00:16:22 | |
| At. | 00:16:25 | |
| At the. | 00:16:26 | |
| Part time, we just add the part time rate that. | 00:16:27 | |
| He's 4 for four now for 3% comma. | 00:16:30 | |
| So. | 00:16:33 | |
| The hourly rate. | 00:16:34 | |
| OK. | 00:16:37 | |
| 33,170. | 00:16:43 | |
| 33,000 and he's already. | 00:16:46 | |
| Making. | 00:16:50 | |
| 10,000. | 00:16:51 | |
| You're doubling his pay. | 00:16:53 | |
| More than. | 00:16:54 | |
| Right, more than that. OK. So it's 23. | 00:16:56 | |
| OK, that's one motion. | 00:17:00 | |
| Is there a second? | 00:17:05 | |
| No, OK, it dies for like a second. | 00:17:09 | |
| I I guess I need to clarify. | 00:17:14 | |
| Are we making a recommendation for the budget? | 00:17:17 | |
| It was that the motion was to make a recommendation for the budget, yes, to include this. | 00:17:20 | |
| Yes, right now it includes the full. | 00:17:25 | |
| The full time position. Is that correct? | 00:17:27 | |
| Current budget provides for full time. I'd like to make a motion that we move that to part time. | 00:17:31 | |
| 2nd. | 00:17:36 | |
| OK, OK. That's the same motion I made. | 00:17:37 | |
| Clarification on the on the part time part time. How many hours, How many hours? 11 hours he's getting paid now. | 00:17:41 | |
| Correct, sorry. | 00:17:47 | |
| So no change correct. Ohh. | 00:17:49 | |
| So you want to limit his part time to Lebanon? | 00:17:52 | |
| As it is in 2023. | 00:17:56 | |
| 6600. | 00:18:03 | |
| OK, that's a motion and a second on the table. | 00:18:06 | |
| All in favor, Say aye, Aye. | 00:18:08 | |
| Raise your hand. | 00:18:12 | |
| 3. | 00:18:13 | |
| The motion does not carried. | 00:18:14 | |
| You need to carry it. | 00:18:17 | |
| Full circle. | 00:18:18 | |
| Ohh, is there any opposed? | 00:18:20 | |
| Sorry. | 00:18:22 | |
| What's yours? | 00:18:25 | |
| Not thank you. | 00:18:27 | |
| OK. So what it's currently in there at full time. We're going to leave it there. | 00:18:31 | |
| OK. Let's clarify the full time that's in there. | 00:18:37 | |
| No. | 00:18:41 | |
| I'm not OK with that. | 00:18:42 | |
| I'm not OK with that. | 00:18:45 | |
| Are we talking? | 00:18:47 | |
| A 40 hour salary or a 28 hour salary? How much is in the budget right now? | 00:18:48 | |
| So what's in the budget is in the air. So unless we heard back from Wis and I don't. | 00:18:55 | |
| Have we heard back from Wis? | 00:19:02 | |
| Musician. | 00:19:06 | |
| Well, I wanted to. | 00:19:11 | |
| See whether or not the because we've been working on budget and salary ordinance. | 00:19:13 | |
| Nothing. | 00:19:19 | |
| So I wanted to see whether or not. | 00:19:19 | |
| It has been adjusted to reflect WRS recommendation yet or if that's something we're still waiting. | 00:19:21 | |
| Position. | 00:19:30 | |
| OK. | 00:19:32 | |
| But he's doing work that he's currently not being paid for, correct? | 00:19:42 | |
| So that can't really be his position because he's doing something. | 00:19:46 | |
| He's volunteering partition. He's asking for. | 00:19:49 | |
| That's the position they're asking for. | 00:19:52 | |
| So then I'll make another motion. | 00:19:58 | |
| To go from 11 to 15 hours second. | 00:20:03 | |
| We have a motion in a second. | 00:20:06 | |
| Raise your hand on paper. Say aye. | 00:20:09 | |
| The College. | 00:20:13 | |
| Then. | 00:20:16 | |
| Somebody please make a motion. | 00:20:17 | |
| Of what you all want. Obviously you want this guy to have benefits. | 00:20:19 | |
| No, I made a motion for 28 hours. That's benefits. Yeah, 28 hours. 28 hours is $20. | 00:20:22 | |
| If you go to 30, it's benefits. | 00:20:31 | |
| The county handbook limits people part time. | 00:20:33 | |
| 28 hours a week. | 00:20:36 | |
| No benefits. | 00:20:38 | |
| Is that county specific? | 00:20:39 | |
| Yes. | 00:20:42 | |
| 30%. | 00:20:44 | |
| I don't think this country specific. I think that is a. | 00:20:46 | |
| I think that's federal losses. | 00:20:52 | |
| 28 This is part time. | 00:20:55 | |
| Yeah. | 00:20:58 | |
| So the county handbook was 28th. | 00:21:00 | |
| Can we find somewhere between the 15 and 28th that everybody can agree with? | 00:21:03 | |
| 20. | 00:21:13 | |
| Instead of doing 42 motions. | 00:21:15 | |
| Dale, what's your limit 28? | 00:21:21 | |
| 25 How about that with the option here? | 00:21:25 | |
| That's what it seems like, yes. | 00:21:28 | |
| I move we. | 00:21:32 | |
| Make it part time salary of 25 hour maximum. | 00:21:33 | |
| OK, we have a motion. | 00:21:39 | |
| Do we have a check? | 00:21:41 | |
| I'll second it. | 00:21:44 | |
| Have a motion and a second. | 00:21:46 | |
| So any discussion? | 00:21:48 | |
| I just have a question. Are we just talking about this position in general? Is that what we're just one, just one position? | 00:21:50 | |
| And so we're competing. | 00:21:59 | |
| Hello, we're taking this pay from 11 hours a week to 25 hours a week. | 00:22:02 | |
| Is that right? | 00:22:06 | |
| If there's 25 hours, we would work the work to do. | 00:22:08 | |
| Sure. Yeah, he works it. | 00:22:11 | |
| What about those? Do you have something inside? Yeah, sorry. | 00:22:18 | |
| Another officer. | 00:22:25 | |
| One person. | 00:22:27 | |
| Talk about the. | 00:22:28 | |
| You know. | 00:22:31 | |
| Thank you. | 00:22:33 | |
| Just thought. | 00:22:37 | |
| I think what we're trying to combat here, Steven. | 00:22:42 | |
| And and maybe I'm not interpreting what you're saying correctly is. | 00:22:45 | |
| That. | 00:22:50 | |
| We have creep. | 00:22:51 | |
| And it's this type of thing. | 00:22:53 | |
| And then next year it's gonna be. | 00:22:55 | |
| He worked 28 hours a week but he volunteered another 12 and now we want to make him full time. | 00:22:57 | |
| Benefits 40 hours. Ohh And by the way, he's deputy and so he's going to be, you know, 85% of my salary. | 00:23:02 | |
| And. | 00:23:09 | |
| We keep coming back to this and. | 00:23:10 | |
| We had a discussion of. | 00:23:13 | |
| Even our our chairwoman said we're going to do a combination of raising revenue and cutting. | 00:23:16 | |
| You you got to tap the brakes before you can stop. | 00:23:22 | |
| You know you can't. | 00:23:26 | |
| Push down on the gas pedal. | 00:23:28 | |
| And come to a stop so. | 00:23:30 | |
| I see what you're saying about. | 00:23:33 | |
| 28 or less. | 00:23:34 | |
| And but where does the? Where do we end this? Sorry and you're fine. | 00:23:36 | |
| Stop. | 00:23:43 | |
| And and you know and and I respect. | 00:23:47 | |
| Yeah. | 00:23:49 | |
| Where Councilman Short. | 00:23:50 | |
| Just said. | 00:23:52 | |
| But, but I also think that we need to take into consideration. | 00:23:53 | |
| Of the fact, the mere fact, the reason why he is working. | 00:23:57 | |
| And that's because. | 00:24:01 | |
| Emergency situations have risen in this county. | 00:24:03 | |
| And I think that Kent Morrow told us. | 00:24:07 | |
| When he was here before us, before budget time that those situations. | 00:24:11 | |
| Have have risen. | 00:24:17 | |
| He's seeing a an increase. | 00:24:19 | |
| And that he was very grateful to have. | 00:24:21 | |
| The young man in that position because I mean and. | 00:24:24 | |
| The young man is working. | 00:24:29 | |
| To keep us in our community safe. | 00:24:30 | |
| And I think that needs to be taken into consideration. | 00:24:32 | |
| Emergency prepared so we have a motion and a second. | 00:24:37 | |
| For 25 hours. | 00:24:41 | |
| All in favor, Say aye, Aye. | 00:24:47 | |
| You have one. | 00:24:50 | |
| Sorry. | 00:24:52 | |
| On to. | 00:24:53 | |
| 20. | 00:24:55 | |
| So you seconded the motion that you're not gonna move on. | 00:24:56 | |
| I don't want to change from 11. | 00:25:00 | |
| I was just seconded it to get somewhere. | 00:25:03 | |
| Because obviously you aren't going to 2nd it because you all want 28. | 00:25:06 | |
| We finished the requiem. OK, we have. | 00:25:11 | |
| Raise your hand for all favor Say aye. | 00:25:15 | |
| OK, we have 1/2. | 00:25:18 | |
| 2. | 00:25:20 | |
| OK, all in. Not, not in favor. Raise your hands. | 00:25:21 | |
| OK. | 00:25:26 | |
| So. | 00:25:28 | |
| Studies. | 00:25:32 | |
| Can we? | 00:25:33 | |
| I'm gonna make my motion again. | 00:25:34 | |
| One more time and this. I think it's in this thing. | 00:25:36 | |
| I I say we make him part time up to the 28th. | 00:25:41 | |
| Hours of my motion is make him part time up to 28 hours part time. | 00:25:46 | |
| Person. | 00:25:52 | |
| And. | 00:25:55 | |
| That's how much? | 00:25:56 | |
| All in favor or we can decide. | 00:25:59 | |
| Fashion. | 00:26:01 | |
| We have a second. | 00:26:03 | |
| No, OK. | 00:26:06 | |
| Wait fails again, so I guess it stays in The thing is full time. | 00:26:08 | |
| Everyone. | 00:26:14 | |
| I don't think we need to move on from this or we're not going to pass a budget next Monday, so we need to really. | 00:26:17 | |
| We need to get this right now. | 00:26:23 | |
| What do you mean? | 00:26:26 | |
| If we can't agree on one position at an hourly. | 00:26:28 | |
| Number of hours. | 00:26:32 | |
| That's absolutely going to affect my decision on Monday of whether I support this budget or not, so. | 00:26:35 | |
| OK. | 00:26:45 | |
| Guys this is how the process works. This is. | 00:26:46 | |
| This is the compromise part that nobody wants to do. | 00:26:48 | |
| OK. | 00:26:52 | |
| I know we want to rush on from this, but that's not. | 00:26:54 | |
| What this is about? We need to get this right. | 00:26:57 | |
| So the current budget is salary for that position. | 00:27:01 | |
| $48,576 if you add on her. | 00:27:04 | |
| And fight that. | 00:27:10 | |
| That's 57295. So that's a real number that doesn't include what the county portion for. | 00:27:12 | |
| Health insurance. Maybe eating that. Don't know what type of health insurance will last. | 00:27:19 | |
| That helps you work your numbers a little bit better. But what's in the current 2024 budget 48. | 00:27:25 | |
| And what was in 2023 budget was 23 or 7 hours a week at 26,650. | 00:27:34 | |
| OK. | 00:27:43 | |
| In 2023 he works 5 hours a week. | 00:27:48 | |
| He got paid, getting paid 5 hours away. | 00:27:51 | |
| We weren't 30 to 40 hours a week, but he got paid for five hours. I make a motion for 15 hours. | 00:27:55 | |
| Sex triple. | 00:28:01 | |
| Triple 2023. | 00:28:03 | |
| Motion in a second. | 00:28:06 | |
| All in favor, Raise your hands. Yeah. | 00:28:09 | |
| Yeah. | 00:28:13 | |
| OK, he's eventually gonna have to come all. | 00:28:16 | |
| You understand that? | 00:28:19 | |
| No, I don't. | 00:28:20 | |
| I don't. | 00:28:22 | |
| All this, All that. | 00:28:23 | |
| Stock price today. | 00:28:26 | |
| OK. | 00:28:28 | |
| Well, that was. | 00:28:29 | |
| OK, motion carries 15 hours a week. | 00:28:31 | |
| OK, you remain in the part time 15 hours a week. | 00:28:33 | |
| It's the greatest day remaining, 2023, or 20%. | 00:28:38 | |
| Today, the same days in the same. | 00:28:44 | |
| Because you. | 00:28:48 | |
| Part time. | 00:28:49 | |
| I don't know what Wis say on that. | 00:28:50 | |
| And then? | 00:28:53 | |
| So, I mean, it's up to you guys. | 00:28:57 | |
| Percent. | 00:28:59 | |
| Is it true that he's the only one that drives the command center? Yeah. | 00:29:01 | |
| This is the one that drives the command center. | 00:29:08 | |
| That. | 00:29:11 | |
| The other thing too is. | 00:29:14 | |
| Volunteering work. It's hard. | 00:29:17 | |
| Doing the work. | 00:29:20 | |
| For that. | 00:29:24 | |
| There's other people that are licensed. | 00:29:27 | |
| And OK to drive that command center correct. | 00:29:29 | |
| Working. | 00:29:38 | |
| Given that information. | 00:29:45 | |
| So he. | 00:29:47 | |
| Volunteer. | 00:29:50 | |
| And if they get hurt? | 00:29:51 | |
| Then their medical. | 00:29:53 | |
| OK, we moved on. | 00:29:57 | |
| 15 hours. | 00:29:59 | |
| OK. | 00:30:00 | |
| Anybody else have anything that really tough that? | 00:30:03 | |
| I wanted to bring up building Authority. | 00:30:07 | |
| I've talked with a couple of Commissioners and. | 00:30:10 | |
| Mr. Combs. | 00:30:15 | |
| Over the last. | 00:30:17 | |
| Couple days and. | 00:30:19 | |
| That's the research on. | 00:30:23 | |
| Property maintenance rates. | 00:30:27 | |
| The salary and benefits right now for Billing Authority, $600,000. | 00:30:30 | |
| $600,000. | 00:30:36 | |
| The There's not a whole lot we can do about the utilities. | 00:30:40 | |
| Right now. | 00:30:43 | |
| Because of the the shape that the. | 00:30:44 | |
| Mechanics are in. | 00:30:46 | |
| I would still like to see. | 00:30:48 | |
| Some breakdown of these. | 00:30:50 | |
| Utility cost because. | 00:30:53 | |
| $90,000. | 00:30:55 | |
| A year for sewer scenes? | 00:30:57 | |
| Saint $100 a month seems excessive to me. | 00:31:01 | |
| I would, I would love to see some some data on that. | 00:31:04 | |
| But. | 00:31:08 | |
| The current. | 00:31:10 | |
| Rates for commercial buildings for. | 00:31:11 | |
| Property Maintenance. | 00:31:14 | |
| Is about $1.75 a square foot? | 00:31:16 | |
| Um. | 00:31:19 | |
| Man, we could pay $4.00 a square foot and and save $200,000 a year. | 00:31:21 | |
| If we're looking for cuts. | 00:31:30 | |
| If we're looking. | 00:31:32 | |
| For $200,000 to $300,000. | 00:31:34 | |
| This could be subbed out. | 00:31:38 | |
| And and help us to get to where we need to be. | 00:31:43 | |
| In short order where we're looking. | 00:31:47 | |
| If if we potentially do something with a new or rehabbed building. | 00:31:50 | |
| We are heavily leaning toward the bot process anyway. | 00:31:57 | |
| So. | 00:32:00 | |
| Um. | 00:32:01 | |
| It's coming. | 00:32:04 | |
| But $600,000 a year in salaries and benefits? | 00:32:07 | |
| 4. | 00:32:11 | |
| Like it's maybe. | 00:32:13 | |
| 11 people. | 00:32:15 | |
| Do you have do you have the budget in front of you? I do. | 00:32:17 | |
| Is there building security on there? | 00:32:20 | |
| Yes, yes, there is. It is. | 00:32:23 | |
| Yeah, No. | 00:32:29 | |
| No, it's not. It's not. | 00:32:32 | |
| I'm starting to think. | 00:32:35 | |
| I didn't get any. I didn't get any answers back on the. | 00:32:39 | |
| The service contracts either at. | 00:32:43 | |
| $256,000 but. | 00:32:45 | |
| Umm. | 00:32:48 | |
| Yeah, it's in here somewhere. | 00:32:51 | |
| Seemed like it was. | 00:32:53 | |
| OK, so how do we go about doing this then? | 00:32:59 | |
| You've suggested this a couple times, but. | 00:33:02 | |
| We're now further along than we were, you know, six months ago. Well, this is. So how do we, how do we make this happen? Great | 00:33:04 | |
| idea, love it, but let's make it happen. | 00:33:09 | |
| Then you then you fund it at a level. | 00:33:15 | |
| That it has to happen. That's the only way to do it. You can ask the commissioners to do it. | 00:33:17 | |
| You can ask them to go out and find a company to do this work. | 00:33:22 | |
| To save our county taxpayers. | 00:33:26 | |
| Several $100,000. | 00:33:30 | |
| But if there's no. | 00:33:32 | |
| Inkling to do that. | 00:33:35 | |
| Then. | 00:33:38 | |
| But don't you think we should work together? Absolutely do. | 00:33:40 | |
| Absolutely. Watching it and say let's work together to find a better solution and save some money here. Have we done that? | 00:33:43 | |
| It hasn't happened. Denny's been asking and no one's. | 00:33:52 | |
| Willing to participate. So what else do you do at this point? | 00:33:56 | |
| I've heard you've been saying it for several means. I've heard him saying that even before I got on the Council and some of the | 00:34:01 | |
| meetings. Did you get a quote from somebody that can do it and present it to the commissioners? | 00:34:06 | |
| Hi. | 00:34:13 | |
| I I can do that, yeah. | 00:34:14 | |
| Come on. | 00:34:19 | |
| If you want, we have lost our way of understanding. | 00:34:21 | |
| That we hold the purse strings to this county. We have not lost our way. | 00:34:25 | |
| We we, we accept budgets. | 00:34:29 | |
| On their face without asking these questions. | 00:34:32 | |
| Because it only went up 3% from last year. | 00:34:36 | |
| That's not even true. Danny, did you ask any questions about the building authority budget when it was presented? I did not, | 00:34:39 | |
| because you've been talking about it all year long. I yeah, I'm trying to get some traction. | 00:34:45 | |
| You didn't do anything about it, John. Are you willing to look into this with me? | 00:34:51 | |
| Together. | 00:34:56 | |
| I You were my next phone call. | 00:34:57 | |
| Ohh, is that the commission's purview anywhere that's building, sorry purview. | 00:35:02 | |
| Well, they have that that muddy water right there. | 00:35:07 | |
| Like the building authority is gonna check themselves. | 00:35:11 | |
| It is absolutely in the Commissioners purview. | 00:35:15 | |
| Absolutely. Gotta get a quote and you gotta present the the options. You can't just sit here and talk about. | 00:35:18 | |
| So not only just sit here and talk about it for two for six months. | 00:35:24 | |
| So now not only do we. | 00:35:29 | |
| Do the financials, we now have to go out and get the bids. | 00:35:31 | |
| We have to. That's not our position. We have to present options. If we think there are options, we need to be presenting them. | 00:35:35 | |
| That's my opinion. | 00:35:42 | |
| Just like. | 00:35:44 | |
| Throw something out. | 00:35:45 | |
| I did the research on what the going rate is. | 00:35:48 | |
| For commercial property maintenance. | 00:35:52 | |
| I calculated what the savings will be. | 00:35:56 | |
| But you can't just like I've got it to the five yard line. Somebody please take it over the goal line. | 00:36:00 | |
| That's not to the five yard line, that's to the. | 00:36:06 | |
| Not even took a 50%. | 00:36:10 | |
| Whatever you call it. | 00:36:13 | |
| It's crazy, Danny. | 00:36:15 | |
| You haven't done your homework. | 00:36:17 | |
| Ohh, I've absolutely done my homework. | 00:36:19 | |
| So what's that dollar savings again, Danny? Roughly $1000 range? | 00:36:22 | |
| So that's a conservative estimate. So if we went conservative and cut 200,000 from the budget. | 00:36:26 | |
| Make it easily get that and then we can. | 00:36:32 | |
| Resurrect this next year and get more details and maybe cut further that possible. What are they gonna do? Fire their janitors? | 00:36:34 | |
| Fire their? | 00:36:39 | |
| Ohh Steve, did you fire the food workers or did they find a way to transition over? | 00:36:44 | |
| Absolutely. Mr. Short, can I ask, you said you've spoken with Mr. Coombs. Did he have anything to say? He's the president he | 00:36:50 | |
| presented me with with budgets and was he's promised to give me some more paperwork? | 00:36:57 | |
| Um. | 00:37:05 | |
| On a utility breakdowns. | 00:37:06 | |
| And some different things. I think there's a little bit of confusion. There's some bleed over into. | 00:37:08 | |
| Um. | 00:37:14 | |
| The janitors cleaning sheriff's offices but not the jail area. | 00:37:15 | |
| And then does the building authority pay those utilities or is that come out of the separate pot so? | 00:37:19 | |
| What? What's he open to that? | 00:37:25 | |
| In my opinion, they're. I'm sorry, what'd you do? I was just asking if he was, if Mr. Combs was OK. | 00:37:27 | |
| I don't think. | 00:37:34 | |
| I didn't nail him down on a yes or no if he's. | 00:37:37 | |
| Ready to give that up? | 00:37:39 | |
| Um, which I don't think anybody in his position would. | 00:37:41 | |
| Be wise to say they are. | 00:37:45 | |
| Um. | 00:37:46 | |
| But. | 00:37:48 | |
| We. | 00:37:53 | |
| We're not going to get there. | 00:37:54 | |
| Bye. | 00:37:55 | |
| Not getting creative with how we. | 00:37:58 | |
| Run this county. | 00:38:00 | |
| We need to have a meeting and. | 00:38:02 | |
| With the Commissioners, with the building authority and with us and say we need to do something about this. | 00:38:05 | |
| Let's look at options. We know this company maybe can come in and do this this one. | 00:38:11 | |
| You know, and and and that kind of thing needs to happen before you just go and you cut the budget and we don't have janitors come | 00:38:17 | |
| up. | 00:38:22 | |
| I'm getting there one, John, you know what the administrative coordinator does. | 00:38:27 | |
| Who is that? | 00:38:34 | |
| Writing down. | 00:38:37 | |
| 3. | 00:38:39 | |
| All that. | 00:38:42 | |
| It's 48. Forty, $6000 a year, plus movement. | 00:38:45 | |
| I say I'm not disagreeing with you that we need to look at this. I completely think we do. | 00:38:49 | |
| I just placed the bone about it in a very dysfunctional way. | 00:38:56 | |
| Very good function. | 00:39:01 | |
| And if that's the way we want to operate, change on us is what I'm saying. | 00:39:03 | |
| What if we just go slicing people who budget without giving them proper notice for ability? | 00:39:08 | |
| To come in and present. | 00:39:15 | |
| What's going on? | 00:39:18 | |
| That's not OK with me. I'm sorry. | 00:39:20 | |
| This is not. | 00:39:22 | |
| I don't have enough data to make a a decision. There needs to be some hard data on. | 00:39:26 | |
| What it would cost if we you know what what? | 00:39:31 | |
| What it would do to cut just $200,000 arbitrarily, you know, it's just it's A and we can pass a budget and then come back and and | 00:39:34 | |
| if we get a plan in place we can unappropriate we can always do that. | 00:39:40 | |
| And I'm more than willing to do that, More than willing to inappropriate times. We need to have a plan. We can't just start | 00:39:48 | |
| cutting cut plan. Do we know where this is being paid for out of? | 00:39:53 | |
| Send it. | 00:40:00 | |
| It's not even out yet. | 00:40:01 | |
| Ohh actually free up other money. | 00:40:03 | |
| Look at that. But I'm just saying it's not out of town. | 00:40:07 | |
| Well, actually though, just make comment to the sheriff. | 00:40:11 | |
| Is that? | 00:40:14 | |
| It went. | 00:40:16 | |
| Previously it went to a private contractor. | 00:40:18 | |
| And you brought it back in house, just the opposite of what we're talking about here. | 00:40:20 | |
| Pause. | 00:40:25 | |
| In previous administration. | 00:40:26 | |
| Subject. | 00:40:28 | |
| Pitching more to a private contractor, right? | 00:40:29 | |
| Yeah, but then you brought it back in house. | 00:40:33 | |
| Which is actually absolutely. | 00:40:36 | |
| Opposite of what we're proposing. | 00:40:38 | |
| Is taken out of house and taken. | 00:40:41 | |
| Out. | 00:40:44 | |
| And I mean, and then it in your case it worked out better to bring you back in house. | 00:40:45 | |
| And we did exactly what you're talking about. We took an overall look at the cost of rising costs an outside source company | 00:40:50 | |
| providing not only in foods. | 00:40:55 | |
| Salaries and the benefits to the employees. | 00:41:00 | |
| Compare that against bringing the employees on independently found another resource for generating the food. | 00:41:02 | |
| Realize that there's physical savings. | 00:41:09 | |
| Yeah. | 00:41:11 | |
| Going to going that course of action. | 00:41:13 | |
| Quiet. | 00:41:16 | |
| Saving counting. | 00:41:16 | |
| A couple of dollars moving in that direction. | 00:41:18 | |
| So we applied good fiscal responsibility at least. | 00:41:21 | |
| Then we put it together. | 00:41:24 | |
| Is that there's a cost savings in this Ave. versus continuing down this path? | 00:41:25 | |
| Well, to be clear. | 00:41:31 | |
| Then, Danny, I'm I'm all for privatizing anything. | 00:41:33 | |
| Grab ties. | 00:41:37 | |
| In general. | 00:41:38 | |
| I just. I feel like. | 00:41:39 | |
| The the private industry can. | 00:41:42 | |
| Do think more efficiently and. | 00:41:45 | |
| More cost effective than. | 00:41:47 | |
| Haven't known employees like for example cleaning staff and that. | 00:41:49 | |
| And then? | 00:41:54 | |
| Then what that budget is that include the? | 00:41:55 | |
| What used to be the hasty mechanical team that was down there every day. | 00:42:00 | |
| There's 256,000 in there for contractual services, so I'm sure. | 00:42:04 | |
| Yeah, OK. But generally, I'm in favor of privatizing when we can, if it's if it's a safe. | 00:42:08 | |
| But if. | 00:42:14 | |
| And if that's if that would be a savings? | 00:42:16 | |
| However you gotta look at. Are you gonna get the same? I guess some. | 00:42:18 | |
| Are you gonna get the same results? | 00:42:23 | |
| If you have. | 00:42:26 | |
| Where you control your own employees versus having a private company come in. | 00:42:28 | |
| I I. | 00:42:32 | |
| Is there a motion to be made here? | 00:42:35 | |
| OK. | 00:42:39 | |
| I was just curious though, like in the Commissioner when we said this is edit fun. | 00:42:40 | |
| In the commissioners budget building office and space room for 350,000, does that go to them? I'm not, I'm don't understand this. | 00:42:45 | |
| I'm just asking questions. Is that? | 00:42:51 | |
| Go I'm good to see thority I. | 00:42:56 | |
| I think part of it is in there, but I think that might be. | 00:42:59 | |
| Something to do with the jail, is it? | 00:43:04 | |
| So the question. | 00:43:06 | |
| I'm talking about the Commissioner. I know budget for building an office space rents 350,000. | 00:43:08 | |
| We'd have to ask on for sure, but I think I just. I'm curious. I don't know. I think the majority of this comes out of the edit | 00:43:15 | |
| fund, but I did see that too. | 00:43:20 | |
| Solution. But I mean we cut the budget and that means maybe. | 00:43:26 | |
| We could cut that budget too and. | 00:43:30 | |
| The domino flow here. | 00:43:33 | |
| Because then that would hit our general fund. | 00:43:34 | |
| Umm. | 00:43:38 | |
| Yeah, I I do think maybe that part is part of the total $1.5 million or whatever this is. Well, then it could hit the general | 00:43:42 | |
| fund. | 00:43:46 | |
| 1000 cuts not saying how it's going to be done. Then say if we did, then I suggest that we we we do. | 00:43:51 | |
| Move forward with this idea, then. I think it's a good idea, but I don't think we're at a position where we can make any | 00:43:59 | |
| decisions. | 00:44:02 | |
| I would suggest we. | 00:44:06 | |
| Get a meeting together with the commissioners and with the building authority and let's talk about. | 00:44:09 | |
| How do you move forward with your idea? | 00:44:15 | |
| You want me to orchestrate that? | 00:44:20 | |
| Or do you want to orchestrate that? | 00:44:22 | |
| No, I'll, I'll just. | 00:44:24 | |
| Stay on my. | 00:44:25 | |
| Fact finding mission and just report what I find and I'm going to set up a meeting it's it's we need to set up a meeting to see | 00:44:27 | |
| what this kind of. | 00:44:31 | |
| We already have a glory. | 00:44:36 | |
| Put that onto the agenda, please put that the building authority onto the agenda. Thank you. | 00:44:40 | |
| 4th yes. | 00:44:48 | |
| And can we invite Aaron to that as well? | 00:44:50 | |
| Thank you. | 00:44:53 | |
| OK, I have one more question about this budget. | 00:44:56 | |
| So. | 00:45:00 | |
| After lab last budget discussion and what have you, we got a copy of the salary ordinance, but the salary ordinance doesn't match. | 00:45:01 | |
| Just. | 00:45:09 | |
| Budget. | 00:45:10 | |
| I think they're working on making sure it does. | 00:45:13 | |
| Right. | 00:45:16 | |
| Yeah, what? What way is? Does it not match? | 00:45:18 | |
| Work today. | 00:45:23 | |
| This. | 00:45:25 | |
| And then there was a big questions which. | 00:45:28 | |
| You have made those changes. | 00:45:30 | |
| But or do you have specific examples? I do OK. | 00:45:33 | |
| Prosecutor's office chief investigator. | 00:45:38 | |
| On the salary ordinance that we just got. | 00:45:42 | |
| Which? Which one? | 00:45:46 | |
| Yeah, sure. | 00:45:49 | |
| Computer OK. | 00:45:51 | |
| Chief Investigator. | 00:45:55 | |
| Per the 2023 budget, numbers make 63 to 50, however. | 00:45:59 | |
| It's saying 54724. | 00:46:06 | |
| For the. | 00:46:10 | |
| 24 salaries. | 00:46:12 | |
| And. | 00:46:14 | |
| That was. | 00:46:15 | |
| We started with 2023. We went to. | 00:46:17 | |
| 3. | 00:46:21 | |
| 2024 and then going back. | 00:46:23 | |
| The lines didn't line up. | 00:46:26 | |
| And I. | 00:46:29 | |
| That's it. | 00:46:33 | |
| So that one has been fixed. | 00:46:36 | |
| Is there another one? | 00:46:38 | |
| Well, some of the longevity was I guess confused on their theirs as well. | 00:46:40 | |
| So we need to make sure that those are correct. | 00:46:47 | |
| OK. | 00:46:52 | |
| OK. I just want to make sure that what I'm looking at not right. | 00:46:54 | |
| The plan is we're gonna make any adjustments or combine any adjustments and tomorrow after this meeting, whenever it's decided. | 00:46:58 | |
| We'll be sending out an updated budget as well as the updated salary ordinance to pass that budget so that everybody has updated | 00:47:05 | |
| information. | 00:47:10 | |
| To look at and compare. | 00:47:15 | |
| In preparation for adoption. | 00:47:17 | |
| Get back any questions. | 00:47:21 | |
| And you'll also get that to town so that he can get it forward. | 00:47:25 | |
| Based on. | 00:47:30 | |
| What we come up with, correct? | 00:47:31 | |
| OK, for instance. | 00:47:34 | |
| The information that we sent out tomorrow, that kind of stuff. Thank you. | 00:47:37 | |
| Michelle and I are looking to prosecutors. | 00:47:43 | |
| And hearing that, that conversation. | 00:47:46 | |
| Are they getting the picture sent? Are they? | 00:47:49 | |
| The prosecutor. | 00:47:53 | |
| There are a few positions that did not meet the external mic that we questioned at budget hearing whether or not they've still got | 00:47:56 | |
| 3%. | 00:48:01 | |
| And the. | 00:48:07 | |
| The response we got from the council was that if they hadn't met the external medicine yet. | 00:48:08 | |
| At the time of that meeting there were 11 reflecting on the salary and budget. | 00:48:14 | |
| Orders that had been given. | 00:48:20 | |
| It's an increase, but after we all went back through it, some adjustments were made. So really our our question is. | 00:48:23 | |
| Are those individuals getting that 3% or is the entire prosecutors office and child support office is being frozen in 2023? We | 00:48:31 | |
| need to know that. | 00:48:35 | |
| For budget purposes, for salary ordinance purposes, so that we can send out most accurate information to people tomorrow because | 00:48:40 | |
| we've gotten. | 00:48:44 | |
| Kind of mix information at this point, What's in there, what's in there right now? | 00:48:48 | |
| Everybody's black. | 00:48:54 | |
| What? What was reflected in the budget? | 00:48:57 | |
| What positions qualify? | 00:49:00 | |
| They were actually. | 00:49:02 | |
| 4:00. | 00:49:05 | |
| There were four that were under the external mic, correct? Yeah, actually one. There is one. | 00:49:08 | |
| Take care of that with our new paralegal position. | 00:49:14 | |
| It shows the 3%. | 00:49:18 | |
| On this, but then everybody elses doesn't. | 00:49:20 | |
| Changed even though. | 00:49:24 | |
| Five of the OR. | 00:49:26 | |
| Yeah, five of the prosecutors. | 00:49:28 | |
| They would qualify, yeah. | 00:49:31 | |
| So only five, only 5. | 00:49:35 | |
| So I fixed positions that are not. | 00:49:37 | |
| Add external with the the paralegal she just talked about, well it's changed on here. It shows they added the 3%. | 00:49:41 | |
| You just were asking for clarification about these five positions. | 00:49:49 | |
| Do they get? | 00:49:53 | |
| And or are we freezing them at 2023 isn't the SO positions yeah. | 00:49:55 | |
| So what's the paralegal So. | 00:50:01 | |
| No, the paralegal is. | 00:50:04 | |
| It doesn't even have. | 00:50:06 | |
| What is a paralegal? Is it A Pat B Pat A? | 00:50:08 | |
| Normally. | 00:50:12 | |
| Might be, yeah. What is the, what is the salary for that? Well, I know it's normally it's the 50,600, but on this one, because | 00:50:14 | |
| it's a third paralegal, we got that. It was vacant last year or I guess this year it was 46 something, 46, five and then yeah, | 00:50:21 | |
| they pulled it up to 47. | 00:50:29 | |
| I'm sorry. | 00:50:38 | |
| 4775 is what we pulled up to. | 00:50:41 | |
| At 5600. | 00:50:46 | |
| 50,600 so this, this open paralegal spot that hasn't been filled. | 00:50:48 | |
| Went up to 420244775 even though it could, in essence. | 00:50:55 | |
| 50,600 They didn't take it all the way up there. | 00:51:02 | |
| So our question is. | 00:51:06 | |
| 4 prosecutors 55. | 00:51:09 | |
| Are they? | 00:51:13 | |
| To get this increase or or are they to be frozen at 2023, That's the only questions you have for the prostate yourself. Everyone | 00:51:14 | |
| else they left at at 20.3. I think there was a level of confusion for sure because I think we initially started down one Rd. | 00:51:22 | |
| deviated and I think we're back on this road. Everybody got the e-mail from from Chris Lane. | 00:51:29 | |
| That basically said he's he was under the understanding. | 00:51:37 | |
| From our last meeting. | 00:51:40 | |
| That there were some people in the office that qualified and I just ended in it to be identified or having it identified to me who | 00:51:42 | |
| they were. Now that I know I'm personally. | 00:51:47 | |
| What I've said and I'm OK with it. I'm OK with it. | 00:51:51 | |
| With that adjustment, I'm gonna ask the question, what's the midpoint? | 00:51:54 | |
| 4:00 And it's 86 something. 86 I think I I I think that we mail I. | 00:51:58 | |
| And I can't remember the look at him. | 00:52:07 | |
| Shall we? You have that off the top of your head. | 00:52:13 | |
| With. | 00:52:16 | |
| It it was, it was 86,000 something was the midpoint for that for those, for the UMM we had originally had them at. | 00:52:17 | |
| The 3% takes them to 87, but I believe that. | 00:52:29 | |
| Chris had agreed to. | 00:52:33 | |
| Stopping it at that 86. | 00:52:37 | |
| It is 6634. Thank you. Yeah. | 00:52:40 | |
| And it's pretty big points. They're at 84. | 00:52:44 | |
| 755, so if we brought them up to that 86. | 00:52:48 | |
| And that's actually less than a 3% increase, correct. Increase takes them to 87, yeah. And if you do that, I think I added it up, | 00:52:53 | |
| it's almost $9000. | 00:52:58 | |
| Saving instead of if you don't do the full 3%. | 00:53:02 | |
| We were OK just going up to the mid. | 00:53:06 | |
| So for clarification for you guys, I'll make a motion that we. | 00:53:09 | |
| Move forward with. | 00:53:14 | |
| The 5SOS positions up to the 86,000 and some change where that is 30%. No, no, it wasn't 30%, It's a little after three. | 00:53:16 | |
| It brings it up to the midpoint which is 86 thousand 34634, but some of them are way below the midpoint. | 00:53:29 | |
| Some of them are at 75, so that that is not one of the positions that is included. | 00:53:37 | |
| The 3% on that, it goes up to 77250 or something like that. So not all of them are going to be just. Only one prosecutor would get | 00:53:43 | |
| 3% and then the other four would go a little bit less than 3%. | 00:53:49 | |
| For Jorge we did only I only went up to 80 something, so four positions 81. | 00:53:57 | |
| Hi. | 00:54:05 | |
| Outline the number of. | 00:54:06 | |
| OK, so our. | 00:54:09 | |
| These two. | 00:54:13 | |
| Our second deputy would go up to the 86634. | 00:54:17 | |
| Our lead missing or deputy would go up to the 86634. | 00:54:22 | |
| And then our third deputy prosecutor would go up to the 86634. | 00:54:27 | |
| And then our 4th Deputy Prosecutor would go up to 80. | 00:54:31 | |
| 281. | 00:54:36 | |
| 80. | 00:54:37 | |
| 80,281 and then our. | 00:54:38 | |
| 5th Deputy processor would go up to 77250. | 00:54:42 | |
| And she would be the only one, the whole 3%, and the other four would be a little bit less than 3%. And in turn that saves. | 00:54:45 | |
| Almost $9000. | 00:54:54 | |
| Instead of asking the third deputy. | 00:54:56 | |
| What? | 00:55:00 | |
| And the number on the third deputy prosecutor would be the 86634 and but I'm looking at something here showing me supposed to be | 00:55:00 | |
| 8281 and midpoint. | 00:55:05 | |
| For the third deputy one, yes, on the listing I have. | 00:55:10 | |
| 7. | 00:55:14 | |
| Back. | 00:55:15 | |
| Right, but it but the midpoint is 80,000 something, so this one was not supposed to get a raise. | 00:55:18 | |
| Because they're above the midpoint. | 00:55:24 | |
| You don't give a raise to those above them already. Yeah, but OK, what does the 4th Deputy say? | 00:55:27 | |
| Is. | 00:55:40 | |
| OK, that's OK. Yeah, that that's what we were asking. | 00:55:43 | |
| What does the bird say? | 00:55:47 | |
| 8. | 00:55:50 | |
| OK. No, that's what we that's no third. | 00:55:52 | |
| What? | 00:55:56 | |
| Listen, you gave me. | 00:55:57 | |
| 3rd Deputy I I checked whatever I think Michelle sent me a while back and it the 1st, the 2nd. | 00:55:59 | |
| We, the second deputy, lead misdemeanor deputy and 3rd deputy all made the same. | 00:56:06 | |
| They were all categorized as the same. | 00:56:11 | |
| And that's where I got the 86634. | 00:56:13 | |
| Yeah, so based on. | 00:56:18 | |
| What Michelle has a modified emotion. | 00:56:20 | |
| To include into the budget and clarify for the the the Utters office. | 00:56:23 | |
| That there's three positions, third deputy 86634, one fourth deputy position at 80,281. | 00:56:29 | |
| 1/5 Deputy at 77250 and 1 Paralegal at 7 at 47725. | 00:56:37 | |
| 2nd. | 00:56:44 | |
| Motion and a second. | 00:56:47 | |
| Like the discussion? | 00:56:49 | |
| Yeah, we'll wait. | 00:56:52 | |
| OK. | 00:56:59 | |
| Brain, that Public defenders, Office administrator. | 00:57:01 | |
| Yeah, I was going to get to that after this, but we can talk about that. We'll get to that next. | 00:57:07 | |
| Yeah. We appreciate you all. | 00:57:16 | |
| Going through. | 00:57:18 | |
| The. | 00:57:28 | |
| Comma. | 00:57:31 | |
| Right. | 00:57:34 | |
| Are we good? | 00:57:44 | |
| No, she showed me one number and the number I got in the handout are different. I don't know why they're different. | 00:57:46 | |
| Confused by that? | 00:57:51 | |
| OK, we have a motion and a second. Any discussion? | 00:57:54 | |
| All in favor of she's not even she. Can you confirm that number is correct? | 00:57:58 | |
| All the solos have one midpoint. | 00:58:03 | |
| The midpoint is the midpoint, right? Ohh no. | 00:58:09 | |
| The 5th Deputy sees our new attire. She would be. | 00:58:14 | |
| OK, not at this moment. Yeah, OK. | 00:58:17 | |
| Ohh, I might have it. Well, while we're waiting on that. | 00:58:23 | |
| We have a motion Ohh, we're in discussion. I'll discuss a different topic then. | 00:58:30 | |
| There. So to your point, Gloria, I think that. | 00:58:36 | |
| The. | 00:58:39 | |
| Public Defenders office tries to keep in mind with prosecutors office they use it as a benchmark. | 00:58:41 | |
| Not just locally, but also I think the State Commission, Public Defenders Commission tries to, you know. | 00:58:46 | |
| Keep parity with that. | 00:58:53 | |
| I believe and correct before I'm wrong. I believe that the public defenders office administrator. | 00:58:55 | |
| Did include a 3% COLA, but the the Prosecutors office and the Office administrator did not. Is that? | 00:59:02 | |
| Right. We need to bring those to the same. So I would recommend that we also. | 00:59:10 | |
| Not apply public defender. | 00:59:14 | |
| Office administrator Cowa. | 00:59:17 | |
| Because if we're not doing it for the prosecutor's office, I don't think we should do it for the defense of the public defenders | 00:59:19 | |
| office, so. | 00:59:22 | |
| I can work that into, I guess a separate motion. | 00:59:28 | |
| 4755. | 00:59:34 | |
| What's the midpoint for that position? | 00:59:39 | |
| It's. | 00:59:41 | |
| 6/6. | 00:59:42 | |
| OK. | 00:59:44 | |
| Yeah, it's different than what was provided. That's why I'm asking why they're different. | 00:59:45 | |
| OK, So what she gave me. So there's a motion and a second. | 00:59:51 | |
| To bring. | 00:59:54 | |
| For all that. | 00:59:57 | |
| Our positions. | 00:59:59 | |
| Happy position, yes. | 01:00:00 | |
| 6 total. | 01:00:03 | |
| Yes, Yep. Yes. | 01:00:05 | |
| Crackers. | 01:00:08 | |
| Yeah, there's three third deputies. | 01:00:09 | |
| 1/4 one fifth one. | 01:00:13 | |
| OK, yeah, that's true. | 01:00:15 | |
| Apparently in the position, Yeah, that's already, that's already been included already. Yeah, that one. Correct. OK, we have a | 01:00:17 | |
| motion and a second. | 01:00:22 | |
| All in favor, say aye. Any opposed? | 01:00:28 | |
| Motion carries. | 01:00:33 | |
| Another motion to to. | 01:00:33 | |
| Keep the. | 01:00:36 | |
| The Prosecutor's office administrator and the Public defender office administrator at the same level. Take the COLA. Basically, | 01:00:38 | |
| that's in there now, away from the PD office administrator to keep those two positions. | 01:00:44 | |
| 2nd. | 01:00:52 | |
| Motion and a second discussion all in favor, say aye, aye. Any opposed. | 01:00:54 | |
| OK. | 01:01:00 | |
| Anything else? | 01:01:01 | |
| Ohh. | 01:01:04 | |
| I haven't seen an updated budget since the first, but. | 01:01:06 | |
| There's the two additional. | 01:01:10 | |
| Officers don't and the sheriff budget. | 01:01:13 | |
| Yes. | 01:01:16 | |
| I believe they found a way to pay for it. I don't think there's an additional cost. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's still in the | 01:01:18 | |
| budget forms, right? | 01:01:21 | |
| Have we seen those adjustments? What's being cut? Is that going to be tomorrow when we get to see those? Can you come up please? | 01:01:25 | |
| Both positions are there. What we've done is we've reallocated increasing management. | 01:01:36 | |
| Cost along with job descriptions. | 01:01:42 | |
| To accommodate. | 01:01:44 | |
| 25% of the captain salaries. | 01:01:47 | |
| On the On the shelves to the general Lead fund. | 01:01:50 | |
| Which is freeing up about $80,000 in salaries and as well we're moving $80,000. We haven't moved it yet, but we're gonna move | 01:01:53 | |
| $80,000 out of our equipment, the line of until the salary line. So if it's OK if if this gets blessed, we'll coordinate with | 01:01:58 | |
| our's office. | 01:02:03 | |
| To move that out of the equipment line up into the sewer line for the merit office and that will be for 20/24/2024, yes ma'am, as | 01:02:09 | |
| well as now. | 01:02:13 | |
| We were just gonna move them in 2024. In 2020. OK. If you could put that in writing so we can see that. Yeah, Send it to us. You | 01:02:18 | |
| gotta appreciate it. Yes, Sir. | 01:02:22 | |
| Did why you up there? Did you know that grant position now are they? | 01:02:27 | |
| Your sultants position that you had grant money for that fell short and you were imposing funds from another grant to cover the | 01:02:32 | |
| difference. | 01:02:36 | |
| Did you make those changes? | 01:02:40 | |
| For that grant. | 01:02:42 | |
| We're a little restrictive on the bill. The ability to do that because of the grant money is actually housed in the jail lift | 01:02:44 | |
| fund. | 01:02:47 | |
| So I'm trying to figure out a way to cleanly and clearly identify that process. The money still has been unused. We got another | 01:02:51 | |
| sheriff got another $6000 for that particular grant. | 01:02:57 | |
| From our place, so the 36,000 is currently being housed in the jail unit fund. | 01:03:04 | |
| But we just need to clarify exactly how that. | 01:03:09 | |
| Can accommodate the benefits for the 9131, the grant, the ideal seat grant, yeah, because we just talked about cleaning that up. | 01:03:12 | |
| So we can go year to year to budget to know that it's covered and then if the grant this continues, then we know. | 01:03:19 | |
| But. | 01:03:27 | |
| No, I certainly agree I would. I just want to make sure that when we do this, we do it absolutely right the first time, so we | 01:03:27 | |
| don't end up muddy in the waters in any form of fashion at this point. So I'll be glad to work with you on that and we can maybe | 01:03:32 | |
| just some other. I'm just wondering how it's affecting this budget. That's why I'm trying to make sure we get this all clean, | 01:03:36 | |
| That's all. | 01:03:40 | |
| We're going to put that line on item in there playing the forecast for the carry over. That $36,000 wasn't part of that carryover. | 01:03:46 | |
| It was isolated strictly for the benefits of it. | 01:03:51 | |
| That I will see. | 01:03:56 | |
| Employee. | 01:03:58 | |
| So you just got to clearly identify exactly how it's. | 01:04:00 | |
| Good health benefits. | 01:04:05 | |
| Check. | 01:04:08 | |
| OK. Anything else? | 01:04:10 | |
| Did we for the prosecutors office, was there a receptionist position added. Is that correct that with this one that's kind of | 01:04:12 | |
| being funded with other accounts right now? Do we add that in the budget? | 01:04:17 | |
| There was nothing, but I think we took it out. | 01:04:23 | |
| It was pulled out. OK, that's what I wanna make sure. | 01:04:26 | |
| Anything else? She's got her hand down. | 01:04:31 | |
| Public Defenders Office. | 01:04:35 | |
| That. | 01:04:38 | |
| Another administrator. | 01:04:41 | |
| $20,000. | 01:04:45 | |
| It's not. | 01:04:48 | |
| But it is in the budget. | 01:04:52 | |
| Yeah. | 01:04:54 | |
| So we need to add it to the sales order. | 01:04:54 | |
| Adding. | 01:04:59 | |
| I think they were planning that out of his, his specialty funding when they're coming out of the general fund. | 01:05:02 | |
| It's coming out of. | 01:05:09 | |
| Well. | 01:05:11 | |
| Is that? | 01:05:15 | |
| Does that fund get replenished every year or are we going to sneak this one in a year from now? | 01:05:17 | |
| Please. | 01:05:23 | |
| With some of them anymore, we did have a whole discussion we didn't want to do. | 01:05:25 | |
| I thought we have came with a compromise. I think we're going to bring, we're going to bring the three over from superior two or | 01:05:32 | |
| one. | 01:05:35 | |
| Ministrator that's gonna get paid out of the 1200 time. | 01:05:41 | |
| And I think I, you guys, I know that you all this stuff, all that during the budget hearings with him, but because he's able to | 01:05:45 | |
| perform it all through his stuff. | 01:05:49 | |
| And came a time that you all were gonna negate that, but I need to know if we need to pull it. | 01:05:55 | |
| The new positions. | 01:06:06 | |
| So is that new or is that a or is that a carryover from supplemental to something new? | 01:06:10 | |
| So he's so he's gonna keep on and supplemental and and he wants another one created in county general is that right? | 01:06:17 | |
| I think I've got a picture of this. There was one in the. | 01:06:24 | |
| There was one in the full time at 40. | 01:06:29 | |
| And then he was moving the 18,500 back to the supplemental fund. | 01:06:32 | |
| Yeah. | 01:06:37 | |
| And then he was also putting the deputy public defender. | 01:06:39 | |
| At 60,000. | 01:06:43 | |
| Or I guess it's zeroed out this year back to the supplier? | 01:06:45 | |
| He's supporting it, I think for a year ago with the compromise that came up with for a year or I don't even know how many. | 01:06:49 | |
| And still. | 01:06:58 | |
| At that time at the Council meeting that the put it back in the general. | 01:07:00 | |
| Call. | 01:07:06 | |
| So we are. | 01:07:12 | |
| Is there what there's? There's need to be a clarification on this. | 01:07:13 | |
| Are we? Asked Michelle. We need to. | 01:07:19 | |
| And there's a, there is a 40% reimbursement on that, is that right? | 01:07:26 | |
| That's one position that qualifies for 40%. | 01:07:31 | |
| I mean. | 01:07:42 | |
| Umm. | 01:07:44 | |
| We've had to. We got that. | 01:07:46 | |
| Stern letter from the Commission. | 01:07:48 | |
| On Public Defenders Commission, and I've talked to Daniel, I mean it's. | 01:07:51 | |
| They they basically have 3 phases. They inform you, they warn you, and then they take action. | 01:07:56 | |
| Yeah, yeah. | 01:08:03 | |
| And we're at, we're at stage one. I don't care to get to stage two or three. So personally I'm OK with it. | 01:08:06 | |
| So was this a SIT District assistant? That's part of the. | 01:08:13 | |
| Letter from the state. | 01:08:18 | |
| These are art at it because he's taking on 3 new attorneys. | 01:08:20 | |
| What? What's the reason behind that? | 01:08:23 | |
| I thought that was just when that just for the attorneys, for the lawyers, this is a, you know, this, this position is created | 01:08:26 | |
| because he's taking on. | 01:08:30 | |
| He's taking on more workload. He's taking on three more in three additional from Superior One or whatever county court is he's | 01:08:35 | |
| taking that on. | 01:08:39 | |
| OK, great. | 01:08:43 | |
| I think it's technically additional workloads though. | 01:08:46 | |
| That's more media offices. | 01:08:49 | |
| That that court doesn't usually go through city office. | 01:08:52 | |
| Nor do the cases. | 01:08:56 | |
| So his office is now taking on those public defenders, along with the caseload that they. | 01:08:57 | |
| Take service of his administrative assistant, which he basically has 1 1/2. | 01:09:05 | |
| Um. | 01:09:10 | |
| Is 1 and a part timer. | 01:09:11 | |
| Or maybe even a part timer? | 01:09:13 | |
| Because he's got his receptionist, but. | 01:09:16 | |
| They're now inheriting all of those spaces. | 01:09:19 | |
| This. | 01:09:24 | |
| How many do the prosecutors have? | 01:09:24 | |
| We're talking parody. | 01:09:27 | |
| That was the question. | 01:09:31 | |
| The administrative assistance How many? | 01:09:32 | |
| A lot more than 2 1/2. | 01:09:37 | |
| But I guess. | 01:09:40 | |
| It clarified. | 01:09:41 | |
| The three public defenders from Superior Two are now being purged into. | 01:09:44 | |
| The Public Defenders office. | 01:09:49 | |
| So that is going to increase the workload for the public defenders office administratively, not necessarily for the attorneys. | 01:09:51 | |
| But the attorneys can no longer go to Superior to staff. | 01:09:59 | |
| And with with any help they, they will rely on the public defenders staff for help and that's why I believe. | 01:10:03 | |
| Matt asked for additional help because that's going to be additional workload for. | 01:10:10 | |
| The OR the PO? | 01:10:14 | |
| RPD, sorry. | 01:10:17 | |
| OK. Anything else do we need to clarify that because I don't think we've. | 01:10:27 | |
| It's in the budget, but not in the salary ordinance. | 01:10:32 | |
| I'm tired of it's not salary ordinance. I'm. | 01:10:35 | |
| They need to be the same. | 01:10:40 | |
| I'll make a motion then to edit to the salary ones. | 01:10:43 | |
| The position. | 01:10:46 | |
| That motion. | 01:10:47 | |
| To the second. | 01:10:49 | |
| I'll second it. | 01:10:51 | |
| Have a motion and a second. | 01:10:53 | |
| And you discussion. | 01:10:55 | |
| And we had it all in favor. Say aye, Aye. Raise your hand. | 01:10:57 | |
| Compose. | 01:11:03 | |
| OK, good cares. | 01:11:04 | |
| OK. Anything else? | 01:11:11 | |
| I noticed in the IT budget. | 01:11:15 | |
| There was 56,000 added for additional IT software that come out of another budget that they had. | 01:11:17 | |
| They're going to the general fund. | 01:11:25 | |
| I just want to resurrect that we're trying to cut. | 01:11:27 | |
| Cost here. | 01:11:30 | |
| 44,000 last year, now sent to 100,000 in the general fund. They had it charged to another account. | 01:11:32 | |
| But fold it out and decide to add it to here I. | 01:11:38 | |
| The question. | 01:11:41 | |
| Can we afford that? I mean, we're trying to make cuts to these budgets. | 01:11:42 | |
| I would call that was for the. | 01:11:45 | |
| That. | 01:11:48 | |
| It's nothing new. They already had it budgeted. | 01:11:50 | |
| In their own. | 01:11:52 | |
| Well, I think I can only speculate that was because the crash that the edit is under. | 01:11:54 | |
| They were probably fun ways, I can only speculate. Now they're finding ways to move. | 01:11:59 | |
| Current expenses around so. | 01:12:04 | |
| Yeah, I don't know. | 01:12:06 | |
| I don't know what we want to do with that because they it increased, what, 56,000? | 01:12:08 | |
| We'd have to move it somewhere else. | 01:12:12 | |
| Correctly from Vegetarian. | 01:12:16 | |
| This particular line of people get asked about it. | 01:12:19 | |
| EDIT. | 01:12:22 | |
| Was the result of edit edit. | 01:12:23 | |
| Being under a crunch. | 01:12:26 | |
| And typically they split the cost between. | 01:12:28 | |
| Edit and the general fund, and I think you said you had shipped the whole entire amount. | 01:12:31 | |
| Instead of having it split between. | 01:12:37 | |
| Was there any notes on moving the two 9130? | 01:12:40 | |
| 2130 Research Capital. | 01:12:47 | |
| Can you put? | 01:12:50 | |
| That's not capital. Ohh, I don't know it's. | 01:12:52 | |
| Whatever the. | 01:12:55 | |
| On that mission. | 01:12:56 | |
| 9130. | 01:12:58 | |
| Cortana. | 01:13:05 | |
| Or isn't it? Isn't that where their spin rate goes? | 01:13:10 | |
| Nonetheless, I don't know. | 01:13:15 | |
| Just look at. | 01:13:18 | |
| I don't know what we want to do with that. I mean, I think that's for the. | 01:13:22 | |
| The firewall intrusion. | 01:13:28 | |
| Testing. | 01:13:31 | |
| That happens every year. I think it's important. | 01:13:32 | |
| Cyber security, Cyber security. Thank you. | 01:13:35 | |
| Quite. | 01:13:38 | |
| What? | 01:13:39 | |
| So it's it's definitely a needed expense. It's working. | 01:13:40 | |
| That's where you want to put it. | 01:13:43 | |
| Yeah. | 01:13:44 | |
| And I think, I think that's what I recall. | 01:13:48 | |
| Yeah. | 01:13:55 | |
| I don't know where we would come up with it. | 01:13:58 | |
| They are under a crunch with edit it's. | 01:14:03 | |
| Lower next year than it than it is this year. | 01:14:06 | |
| As far as funding revenue? | 01:14:08 | |
| Anything else? | 01:14:14 | |
| I've had the question. | 01:14:17 | |
| I'm looking at that print out that we've got from the reading group and. | 01:14:18 | |
| Transfer in from LITED? Is that the? | 01:14:22 | |
| Said. | 01:14:26 | |
| It went from 500,000 to 50 is that was. | 01:14:27 | |
| They're contributing to that capital that is. Is that what that is? | 01:14:31 | |
| That is the. | 01:14:37 | |
| Look, go behind. | 01:14:40 | |
| And you? | 01:14:41 | |
| There was $500,000 that was gonna go somewhere. | 01:14:44 | |
| So the current. | 01:14:48 | |
| Thinking is that we're going to split that. | 01:14:50 | |
| 5050. | 01:14:52 | |
| It has hardly titled in the updated budget. | 01:14:54 | |
| The line that that's coming out. | 01:15:00 | |
| OK. | 01:15:03 | |
| And what revenues in there? | 01:15:05 | |
| When that gets retitled. | 01:15:08 | |
| You know with big dollar amount is in there. | 01:15:09 | |
| Can we make sure we put that on the joint meeting too and can we make can? | 01:15:14 | |
| Is there a rest? I talked with Al about resolution so that we can all sign that. | 01:15:20 | |
| And get this behind us. We gotta do that before the end of the year, just to clarify. | 01:15:26 | |
| Go ahead. | 01:15:30 | |
| Clarify what you want. | 01:15:32 | |
| So. | 01:15:33 | |
| Go Bond. | 01:15:37 | |
| Resolution. | 01:15:38 | |
| Where it's going to be a joint resolution. A joint resolution, Yeah, I mean, I'm. | 01:15:42 | |
| I I've never signed off on 250 myself. No matter. It's just you know it's we signed off on. We actually signed off on 500. We have | 01:15:46 | |
| a resolution already passed. | 01:15:51 | |
| But they did that 100, but they never signed it. We sent it to them, they never signed it. So, So what's it gonna go in on the | 01:15:56 | |
| budget? I guess that's my question. | 01:16:01 | |
| Is what is it funded at? | 01:16:05 | |
| What It's got what? | 01:16:13 | |
| So if it's anything less, it just affects the bottom line. I mean, it could stay at 500, but if that's not what it ends up being | 01:16:16 | |
| agreed to. | 01:16:19 | |
| Really. Group has 250 in their projections. | 01:16:23 | |
| OK. | 01:16:28 | |
| Yeah, they just. | 01:16:29 | |
| Put it back at 2:50. | 01:16:30 | |
| Because I think they were talking to the Commissioners about. | 01:16:31 | |
| Yes. | 01:16:34 | |
| That, yeah, sure, it doesn't matter. | 01:16:36 | |
| We gotta we gotta resolve it some one way or another. | 01:16:38 | |
| OK. | 01:16:42 | |
| So all the judicial raises that. | 01:16:45 | |
| Move to external mid instead of 3%. So everyone's OK with that. I mean we're talking about we have to. | 01:16:48 | |
| Make these cuts the circuit, all the court members that got the significant raises. | 01:16:55 | |
| We're gonna, I mean, we're talking about crunching and we need to look at some things without cutting services or cutting jobs. | 01:17:02 | |
| Aren't we gonna have to refocus on some of that stuff? | 01:17:06 | |
| So I mean you talking about the the courts. Yeah, So I'll address that. | 01:17:11 | |
| I think Dale, you and I met with the courts. The court are two. Two of the of the judges still are in Judge Brown, yeah. | 01:17:18 | |
| And. | 01:17:27 | |
| They have what I would consider a fair request to keep in line with the prosecutor's office. Pat pat bees, I believe. | 01:17:28 | |
| Umm. | 01:17:36 | |
| And they're. | 01:17:38 | |
| Substantially below that right now. | 01:17:39 | |
| And. | 01:17:43 | |
| They did say that. Ohh, they did they they did OfferUp cuts. I believe most of it, if not all of it came from. | 01:17:46 | |
| Judge Brown. | 01:17:53 | |
| Budget. | 01:17:55 | |
| So they did OfferUp touch to to pay for that. So that's. | 01:17:56 | |
| Well, you cut his law books. | 01:18:00 | |
| Yeah, substantially. So it's paid for. | 01:18:02 | |
| So it's a, it's a virtually net neutral expense. | 01:18:05 | |
| To make that happen. | 01:18:10 | |
| I was I just say you know you know Jim is first year for for for you being here. I know this is not a threat but it's just real | 01:18:11 | |
| talk that if it if this doesn't happen. | 01:18:17 | |
| I'm confident that a mandate will. | 01:18:24 | |
| Follow and that's going to. | 01:18:27 | |
| Well. | 01:18:30 | |
| That that'll cost more money and. | 01:18:32 | |
| We'll probably end up right back where we are, so. | 01:18:34 | |
| We can do what we want to do there, but. | 01:18:37 | |
| I personally have had. | 01:18:40 | |
| The conversations and on my due diligence and I'm OK with it. | 01:18:42 | |
| Yeah, I'll chime in there, Brad. We both of us met. | 01:18:46 | |
| And I think I've stated in public that. | 01:18:51 | |
| It's the best thing that's happened with that Wis study. | 01:18:55 | |
| His job descriptions? | 01:18:59 | |
| And I've if you remember Brad, I. | 01:19:01 | |
| I asked what is there? | 01:19:03 | |
| Job description What is it? Michelle Pat. Two in the prosecutor's office Pat. Pat, Do you believe? | 01:19:05 | |
| Happy. | 01:19:10 | |
| Are you confused all the acronyms? | 01:19:12 | |
| So, but then the court staff was less than happy. But they're Patty. | 01:19:14 | |
| Qualify. | 01:19:19 | |
| So. | 01:19:20 | |
| And I've often stated that if we had this job description, if you're a pat beyond care what office you work in, you should make | 01:19:21 | |
| things out you could work in. Whatever office you work in don't matter. | 01:19:26 | |
| You're paying for the job, the pet fee. | 01:19:31 | |
| Or the? | 01:19:33 | |
| Comments, or whatever they they are to be consistent. | 01:19:34 | |
| OK. Anything else? | 01:19:46 | |
| Yeah, Michelle has her. | 01:19:49 | |
| So. | 01:19:51 | |
| It was discussed. | 01:19:52 | |
| With the surveyor to move his. | 01:19:54 | |
| Party composition to a whole composition. | 01:19:56 | |
| And he was gonna pay for it. | 01:20:00 | |
| Over. | 01:20:05 | |
| It's on the. It's on the agenda for for the upcoming meeting. | 01:20:06 | |
| So I think. | 01:20:10 | |
| Through the budget and then. | 01:20:11 | |
| And. | 01:20:14 | |
| So I need to know who put her on. | 01:20:15 | |
| The salary. | 01:20:18 | |
| Yes. | 01:20:21 | |
| For next year's. | 01:20:22 | |
| Right now, she just put it in the budget and put her on the ordinance. | 01:20:24 | |
| Well. | 01:20:29 | |
| Closely as possible, and they are on the agenda. | 01:20:31 | |
| OK. | 01:20:35 | |
| Yeah, if it doesn't pass on the 16th, then we can modify it. | 01:20:38 | |
| But I would prepare it right now. | 01:20:41 | |
| So you would have to approve it effective January 1st. | 01:20:50 | |
| The adjustment. | 01:20:55 | |
| It's already in the bank. | 01:20:57 | |
| Now. | 01:20:59 | |
| It's not. It's not in the general fund. | 01:21:02 | |
| But it's. | 01:21:06 | |
| The. | 01:21:09 | |
| Once you add that and the benefits, it will be really advertised. | 01:21:10 | |
| For that. | 01:21:15 | |
| Ohh for the Cornerstone Fund. Yeah. Ohh for the Cornerstone Fund. OK, that makes sense. OK. | 01:21:17 | |
| Well, that may not be the only thing that happens because there's there's times in January 1st meeting in January we have to clean | 01:21:25 | |
| up. | 01:21:27 | |
| Some things that didn't quite make it into the budget process. | 01:21:31 | |
| Not going to be reflected in the 1202. | 01:21:36 | |
| Find some budget adoption. | 01:21:41 | |
| My opinion is that we need an offer salary. Modify it in January if you add it to the orders at that time. | 01:21:44 | |
| He had the best. | 01:21:52 | |
| Ohh, but they're But they're gonna have to pay at that rate before we meet. | 01:21:57 | |
| So. | 01:22:02 | |
| If we're going to pay them if we approve this on on Monday. | 01:22:03 | |
| We're going to modify the salary ordinance to reflect. | 01:22:07 | |
| What we approved. | 01:22:11 | |
| But you'll be modified, please. | 01:22:12 | |
| But what he's saying in 2024, is there a pay period before we meet and she won't get her pay. We'll have to retroactive that then. | 01:22:16 | |
| Let's just put it on. Why does it have to stay off? | 01:22:31 | |
| Probably needs to reflect that the correct pay. | 01:22:35 | |
| For the person, yes, he wants to feel it ASAP. That's why he asked to be on the agenda for make a note that in January we need to | 01:22:40 | |
| make sure it gets in the budget. | 01:22:45 | |
| Because we're going to modify an additional appropriation if if it passes, we're going to modify the current salary ordinance and | 01:22:50 | |
| they're going to start paying. | 01:22:54 | |
| Right away. | 01:22:58 | |
| Actually, I think. | 01:22:59 | |
| There might be. I forget what the request is. It's either right away or maybe a little bit retroactive, I don't know. | 01:23:00 | |
| You know, and we can do this. So if Danny, we were able to do something with the building authority. | 01:23:09 | |
| In January we can make. | 01:23:15 | |
| A. | 01:23:18 | |
| And the appropriation, the appropriation, and. | 01:23:21 | |
| You know, we'll save that money. | 01:23:25 | |
| But we need to do it in the correct order. I don't think we do. | 01:23:27 | |
| Cut the budget and then do that. | 01:23:31 | |
| And that. | 01:23:34 | |
| Where do we end up on the salary or the employee insurance? I never did hear the final. | 01:23:35 | |
| The commissioners were waiting on some quotes and stuff, but I think did didn't we add like $500,000 to that budget? | 01:23:42 | |
| Side just was curious where those numbers came out or what it was for healthcare costs for 2024? | 01:23:49 | |
| 3.7 million and we think we're going to be more than that this year. | 01:23:57 | |
| We're going to be right at 3.7 this year. | 01:24:02 | |
| You will have it. | 01:24:05 | |
| Yeah. | 01:24:08 | |
| And you know, we're going to be self funded next year, so it could be. | 01:24:12 | |
| Right, right. Trouble yourself. | 01:24:17 | |
| Yeah. | 01:24:20 | |
| It could go up or down. | 01:24:22 | |
| So we discussed earlier other options of getting these budgets down. | 01:24:26 | |
| Are we gonna look at anything? Any and? | 01:24:30 | |
| Trying to get. | 01:24:33 | |
| Some employee benefits down or something to try to get these this deficit down without cutting jobs. | 01:24:34 | |
| So are we going to look at any of those or do we have control over reducing some of those? So I think it's that we have to get the | 01:24:40 | |
| commissioners involved in order to do any of that. It's not under our. | 01:24:46 | |
| Of. | 01:24:53 | |
| Purview to. | 01:24:54 | |
| Cut her off. | 01:24:58 | |
| I guess we could cut them the money. | 01:25:01 | |
| Associated with her, but we can't. | 01:25:04 | |
| We can't change the ordinance of 3%. | 01:25:08 | |
| Well, that's that's where I'm getting at. I mean, if we can't afford it, we don't. If we're running these deficits, what are we | 01:25:11 | |
| gonna do? So we need to get with the, the, the commissioners and have a meeting to see what we can do. And again, what I would say | 01:25:16 | |
| is we're too late for 2020. | 01:25:21 | |
| We're too late to get it in the budget for this year, however, if we can get an agreement within the next three months. | 01:25:27 | |
| We can always make a the appropriation. | 01:25:35 | |
| And. | 01:25:38 | |
| In January. | 01:25:40 | |
| I mean, I would like to talk about perfect the joint meeting. | 01:25:43 | |
| Gloria, again, can we put that on the agenda to talk about Perth? | 01:25:48 | |
| During the joint meeting. | 01:25:55 | |
| May we look at this insurance they have, I mean it's employee match percentage is really low and then they provide. | 01:26:01 | |
| Spouse or family benefits that you just don't get out in public. I mean, you pick up that cost yourself. You're trying to cure | 01:26:08 | |
| your if you. | 01:26:12 | |
| Trying to carry on, so we're carrying a heavy load here, a lot of benefits we're providing. | 01:26:16 | |
| And we've talked about getting these salaries up and they're getting pensions. They're already getting equivalent now to. | 01:26:22 | |
| Other We've done everything we can to get them at affordable rates, and yet we're still providing some benefits. | 01:26:29 | |
| That public you know. | 01:26:34 | |
| Other people don't get. | 01:26:36 | |
| So we gotta really look at that. We're really trying to talk about getting this deficit in line. | 01:26:37 | |
| So you wanna put healthcare cost, healthcare and again I think it's it's too late, we're having open enrollment right now. | 01:26:44 | |
| So. | 01:26:52 | |
| A little late on contributions for. | 01:26:54 | |
| Healthcare, I think. Or am I right? | 01:26:59 | |
| But. | 01:27:03 | |
| We need to have the conversations on an ongoing basis. I do you know because it's A to be continued, we talk about it our joint | 01:27:05 | |
| meetings. | 01:27:09 | |
| Push Pause on it. We may do a little research, do a diligence, come back and see what the progress report is. | 01:27:13 | |
| Because these things. | 01:27:18 | |
| These complicated topics about insurance, perf and building forwarding others are not going to be solved in one or two meetings. | 01:27:20 | |
| There's going to have to be a lot of. | 01:27:24 | |
| You know data and research and things and so I think it's appropriate to. | 01:27:28 | |
| Keep it under, you know, hold business as you will for these charges. | 01:27:34 | |
| So we can can we have a a agenda item called benefit and maybe dash births comma there. | 01:27:38 | |
| Something like that, healthcare. | 01:27:45 | |
| What is going to call healthcare companies? | 01:27:49 | |
| Employee compensation. | 01:27:53 | |
| More than willing to look at those things. | 01:27:58 | |
| We always seem to get to this point and then want to talk about them and. | 01:28:02 | |
| It's. | 01:28:06 | |
| It's like it's like the day. | 01:28:08 | |
| Addressing those things, but maybe if we start talking about them now, we can be. | 01:28:10 | |
| Prepared. | 01:28:14 | |
| For different discussions come next year. | 01:28:16 | |
| And maybe perks on too, but I don't know. | 01:28:21 | |
| Anything else? | 01:28:27 | |
| But those are where the savings are going to come. | 01:28:30 | |
| Not with, you know. | 01:28:33 | |
| Taken up. | 01:28:35 | |
| Make a. | 01:28:37 | |
| Part time. | 01:28:38 | |
| Person at 28 hours. There's 25 hours that. | 01:28:39 | |
| You know. | 01:28:42 | |
| Michelle or Michelle, are you good? | 01:28:44 | |
| Is the auditor's office good? | 01:28:47 | |
| I'll make a motion to adjourn. | 01:28:50 | |
| 2nd. | 01:28:51 | |
| Motion in a second. All in favor. Say aye, Aye. Thank you, guys. | 01:28:52 | |
| Yeah. | 01:29:17 |