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We'll call the 6:00 special meeting to order. We'll stand for the pledge. 00:00:13
OK, well, we're here tonight to talk about the 2024 budget and. 00:00:37
Any changes that need to be made to what we currently have? 00:00:44
In the hands of Diana and Gloria. 00:00:51
My goal would be that we can discuss any changes that need to be made. 00:00:55
Get you guys to make those changes. 00:01:01
I know Tim said that we didn't need to have this in Gateway for the adoption. 00:01:04
I would like to have it in Gateway because I think it's just much cleaner. I don't know what you think. 00:01:09
Gloria and Diana. 00:01:16
OK. 00:01:20
Budget. 00:01:22
Need to understand what we're adopting for that, for the 16th so. 00:01:24
Um. 00:01:29
So we'll start with whoever wants to start with anything that we need to bring up as far as changes. 00:01:31
That we might need to make to the current budget. 00:01:38
We need Sir. 00:01:46
Sorry, we need to clarify. 00:01:50
Just. 00:01:53
To be sure, because I know there was discussion on it. 00:01:55
Freezing the Council and Commissioners. 00:01:59
Sorry for this year. 00:02:01
To be the 23 members instead of 24 numbers. 00:02:03
OK. 00:02:07
Do we want to make a motion to? 00:02:08
Go ahead and. 00:02:11
On. 00:02:12
Holder. 00:02:14
Salaries concept or the commissioners and the council. Let's do one at a time. Let's do council yeah. So might want to make that 00:02:15
motion and make a motion that for the 2024 budget the County Council members. 00:02:22
Salaries remain the same as the 2023 budget. 00:02:30
2nd And a second all in favor, say aye, aye, Any opposed motion carries. 00:02:33
OK. 00:02:39
I'll do the same. I'll make a motion that the. 00:02:41
Commissioners. 00:02:45
Salary for the 2024 budget remained the same as the current 2023 budget. 00:02:46
We have a motion. 00:02:52
Do we have a second second? 00:02:55
We have a second. 00:02:57
Do we have discussion? 00:02:58
Yeah, I I just like to to ask is there any reason why? 00:03:00
And I get it. And I'm for freezing our salaries. Is there any reason why that kind of. 00:03:07
I guess. 00:03:14
Kind of. 00:03:18
Is there any reason why we're doing it to the commissioners? 00:03:21
Rather than all elected officials, I guess. Is there any reason why we're? 00:03:24
Singling them out. 00:03:28
Rather than. 00:03:31
All other elected officials. 00:03:33
I don't have any. 00:03:38
No other than. 00:03:41
We are before the public, the Commissioners are before the public. 00:03:43
Quite often. 00:03:46
We make a lot of decisions and I can. 00:03:47
Assure you, Nanny. 00:03:51
5% of us. 00:03:53
If not 100, we don't do this for the money. 00:03:54
Right. It's a service to the community. 00:03:58
You know. 00:04:01
I just feel like we can set the example to the employees. 00:04:02
If we're gonna. 00:04:06
Give the raises, you know the 3% COLA because last year we discussed it may not be 3%. 00:04:07
It may only be a percent. 00:04:13
Or two or 1 1/2 or whatever. 00:04:14
I think that shows to. 00:04:17
The community and to. 00:04:20
Our government employees that, hey, we're willing to take. 00:04:23
A freeze this year I I just think it looks. 00:04:26
Looks good that we're setting an example. 00:04:29
Yeah. 00:04:31
I think we should set that example. 00:04:33
Because we do have to make cuts. 00:04:36
I I was just wondering cause it looked like the information that we received. 00:04:39
Maybe this week. 00:04:44
From Commissioner Shawn Berger that they were a little. 00:04:45
Lower. 00:04:50
Than what? The average? 00:04:51
Was. 00:04:53
A lot of people surrounding us. 00:04:55
I think we had the three. 00:04:58
Say they were OK with the freeze. 00:05:01
Jason said he was, Because I'm natural. 00:05:06
I I kind of hedge. 00:05:08
Yeah. 00:05:11
Think so. 00:05:12
I'm fine with it. 00:05:21
I'm trying to see. 00:05:28
But I went back on. 00:05:30
WIF. 00:05:33
I went back on a salary ordinance. 00:05:35
Anthony, you're correct. 00:05:37
Is that the commissioner's salary is about 32. 00:05:39
I think below. 00:05:43
The mainstream and I think the council is. 00:05:46
Well. 00:05:51
So we're 3000 bucks. So you're up here and we're down here. 00:05:51
You know, and so you might continue. This isn't just for me, it's it's for it's for future commissioners. 00:05:55
We talked about how over the years sales have not been brought up well because you haven't given given it covers. 00:06:02
And I think I did a calculation, I think it would take like five years. 00:06:09
To get the commissions up to mid. 00:06:12
With a with a a 3% core, you know. 00:06:14
You're talking about, I think for the commissioners, it's like. 00:06:18
15 I think we're in 2000 from like that. 00:06:22
You know, for the Council of 27, come on, total of of what five, $6000? But again, that's your decision. You know, I laid out the 00:06:26
facts. I'll let you guys decide how you want to cut it, dice it, interpret it, or whatever you want to be. Thank you. 00:06:35
I pulled up the e-mail. 00:06:46
From UH. 00:06:48
Commissioner Sharpen. 00:06:50
He did say he was OK with the color, but he did have two questions. 00:06:51
One of them was the savings. 00:06:55
If they didn't receive the. 00:06:56
Cool. And what would the savings be and does anybody know that? 00:06:59
And then how the how would the council utilize that savings? 00:07:04
Other than that. 00:07:10
Doesn't matter what the savings is. 00:07:13
Permission. 00:07:16
What? I'm sorry. 00:07:18
By 2000 it was on your e-mail, right John? It was 2000 apiece or something? 00:07:21
Yeah, 5242. 00:07:32
Yeah. 00:07:34
The additional portion. 00:07:39
Councilman Terrance question concerning the other elected officials. 00:07:42
Our chief deputy salaries are tied to ours. 00:07:46
So the people who run our offices. 00:07:50
Would not. 00:07:54
I understand. I I just couldn't and and. 00:07:59
I was just getting the slide. 00:08:02
Because she knows. 00:08:08
Jackie, chief deputies in our offices, their salaries are type cars. They get 85% of whatever our. I understand and and thank you 00:08:09
and I respect that. 00:08:14
But I also know that we just did a salary study as well. 00:08:19
Which we're trying to keep everybody in line and I think that one thing that we need to understand is that. 00:08:23
We're not talking about the salary for the person. 00:08:30
We're talking about the salary for the position. 00:08:34
OK, well we have a motion. 00:08:39
And a second to hold the commissioners. 00:08:43
Salary. 00:08:47
On. 00:08:48
For 2024 the same as 2023. 00:08:50
All in favor, say aye, aye, aye. 00:08:54
Raise your hand, please. 00:08:58
Yeah, 4. 00:09:01
All of all of those. 00:09:03
OK. 00:09:06
Uh, it passes. 00:09:09
But it will be held. 00:09:11
OK. 00:09:14
124 hours will be the same as 20/23 for commissioners. 00:09:15
OK. 00:09:20
Um. 00:09:21
We it's OK. Do we have anything else we need to talk about? 00:09:23
Yes, OK. 00:09:28
Did we ever come to an agreement on whether we're taking the EMA to from part time to full time? 00:09:31
The Emma. 00:09:41
The deputy director said. 00:09:43
But we were talking about, yeah, we have a deputy director. 00:09:45
Proposed. 00:09:49
Hello. 00:09:51
Anybody wanna? 00:09:53
Give the scenario here. 00:09:55
Yeah, I mean, he's part time he's making. 00:09:57
Thing was. 00:10:00
10. 00:10:01
10. 00:10:02
Was it 10 hours per pay period? 00:10:03
11 hours per paycheck. 00:10:07
And there's a reimbursement. 00:10:13
Part of that as well. 00:10:16
I think it came out to less than $20,000. 00:10:18
To take them full time. 00:10:21
Department can be reimbursed. 00:10:26
Not. 00:10:31
Yeah. 00:10:37
Are we already getting the full 55,000 reimbursement? 00:10:41
According to Tammy. 00:10:46
Here. And yes, she applies for all the following. 00:10:49
Spring second quarter next year? 00:10:55
So we are receiving the 75. 00:11:00
Or 55, I'm sorry, 55? 00:11:04
Already. 00:11:07
Fantastic. 00:11:09
So if we. 00:11:12
Take them from part time to full time working on. 00:11:14
Acquire the rest of that salary. Is there something in between that we can do? 00:11:17
Where we can. 00:11:23
Make him a qualified part time person. 00:11:25
But not giving full time position. So in other words don't limit his time. 00:11:28
To five hours of a week. 00:11:34
He's just following me, right? Right, actually. 00:11:39
I believe Kent made a compelling argument that he should be full time because. 00:11:45
As Michelle has stated, there's work. 00:11:50
Like we had a major storm. 00:11:53
While active. 00:11:55
All hands on deck when that windstorm was here. 00:11:57
And then things we don't even know about when there's a. 00:12:00
Fuel spill on the Interstate, EMA is always involved in that kind of stuff. 00:12:03
And honestly, I think Kent made a pretty compelling argument that he should be full time rather than. 00:12:08
Part time and volunteering. 00:12:14
Hours all the time. 00:12:16
So Dale, I completely think you made a very compelling and I and I actually talked with what's the guy's name. 00:12:18
Chase. 00:12:26
He he says he's working. 00:12:30
3040 out. He's working 40 hours a week anyway. 00:12:33
Um. 00:12:37
I, I and I would love to get to get him for full time position, but I think maybe what we can do is transition into that and maybe 00:12:40
give them a 25 hour or 30 hour Max. 00:12:46
Uh, this year and get him to a full time position. Maybe next year. 00:12:52
Go ahead. 00:12:58
28 So 20 What is it 20? 00:13:02
2828, thank you. I'm glad you're here. 00:13:06
What would everybody think about something like that? 00:13:10
Why is he limited just side the budget? 00:13:17
Just five. Yeah. OK. 00:13:21
But now? 00:13:25
The tracking. 00:13:29
It would be an additional 26,000. 00:13:33
But they're getting the 55 anyway, right? 00:13:39
6000. 00:13:47
Invite me spending that much just to put in part time, right or no? 00:13:48
Benefits. 00:13:54
And and I think I'm missing something. 00:13:57
So we're already getting the 55. 00:14:00
This year, and he's not. 00:14:03
We're not getting any additional savings by making them. 00:14:06
No. 00:14:10
No, we're not right. 00:14:11
No, because the Max is 55 and we're already getting it. So if we. 00:14:14
Change them from part time to full time we inherit. 00:14:18
Every bit of that additional salary. 00:14:21
That that you're saying the same thing. 00:14:24
That's what I'm saying. You're right. 00:14:26
OK. Is it, is it based on the fact that we is 55,000 based on the fact that we have two positions that are full time? 00:14:28
Is it based on any full time positions? 00:14:35
Of the brain. 00:14:39
She can't ask for more. 00:14:41
What? 00:14:42
I don't. I don't know if she could or couldn't. 00:14:45
Is she as if the office is adding additional full time help? Maybe they can. 00:14:47
Ask for an increase. I don't know the answer to that. 00:14:53
Can't make no sense. 00:15:01
I just think we've just had the discussion a minute ago about how this budget deficit continues to. 00:15:03
Go up and we gotta stop the bleeding. And yet, here we go again. Where? Where? When do we say no? 00:15:09
That's that's what I'm asking When, when is that cut off her? 00:15:16
Because this budget is going to deficit, is going to continue. 00:15:20
To grow every time we do something like this. 00:15:23
And I'm gonna. 00:15:31
Add to that is that. 00:15:32
A lot of people do. I mean, we have volunteers in the M department. 00:15:37
So I know you know are are we just gonna say we don't want volunteers for the county? 00:15:42
Anymore at all? 00:15:49
I think there's people that like to volunteer. 00:15:52
So. 00:15:56
You know if he doesn't, I don't know if he doesn't want to. 00:15:58
Do the 30 hours. 00:16:02
Then maybe we can find somebody who wants to volunteer part of their time and get paid part of their time. 00:16:04
Just saying. 00:16:09
True. 00:16:15
I'm going to make a motion that we give them a part time position. 00:16:16
Up to the 28 hours. 00:16:22
At. 00:16:25
At the. 00:16:26
Part time, we just add the part time rate that. 00:16:27
He's 4 for four now for 3% comma. 00:16:30
So. 00:16:33
The hourly rate. 00:16:34
OK. 00:16:37
33,170. 00:16:43
33,000 and he's already. 00:16:46
Making. 00:16:50
10,000. 00:16:51
You're doubling his pay. 00:16:53
More than. 00:16:54
Right, more than that. OK. So it's 23. 00:16:56
OK, that's one motion. 00:17:00
Is there a second? 00:17:05
No, OK, it dies for like a second. 00:17:09
I I guess I need to clarify. 00:17:14
Are we making a recommendation for the budget? 00:17:17
It was that the motion was to make a recommendation for the budget, yes, to include this. 00:17:20
Yes, right now it includes the full. 00:17:25
The full time position. Is that correct? 00:17:27
Current budget provides for full time. I'd like to make a motion that we move that to part time. 00:17:31
2nd. 00:17:36
OK, OK. That's the same motion I made. 00:17:37
Clarification on the on the part time part time. How many hours, How many hours? 11 hours he's getting paid now. 00:17:41
Correct, sorry. 00:17:47
So no change correct. Ohh. 00:17:49
So you want to limit his part time to Lebanon? 00:17:52
As it is in 2023. 00:17:56
6600. 00:18:03
OK, that's a motion and a second on the table. 00:18:06
All in favor, Say aye, Aye. 00:18:08
Raise your hand. 00:18:12
3. 00:18:13
The motion does not carried. 00:18:14
You need to carry it. 00:18:17
Full circle. 00:18:18
Ohh, is there any opposed? 00:18:20
Sorry. 00:18:22
What's yours? 00:18:25
Not thank you. 00:18:27
OK. So what it's currently in there at full time. We're going to leave it there. 00:18:31
OK. Let's clarify the full time that's in there. 00:18:37
No. 00:18:41
I'm not OK with that. 00:18:42
I'm not OK with that. 00:18:45
Are we talking? 00:18:47
A 40 hour salary or a 28 hour salary? How much is in the budget right now? 00:18:48
So what's in the budget is in the air. So unless we heard back from Wis and I don't. 00:18:55
Have we heard back from Wis? 00:19:02
Musician. 00:19:06
Well, I wanted to. 00:19:11
See whether or not the because we've been working on budget and salary ordinance. 00:19:13
Nothing. 00:19:19
So I wanted to see whether or not. 00:19:19
It has been adjusted to reflect WRS recommendation yet or if that's something we're still waiting. 00:19:21
Position. 00:19:30
OK. 00:19:32
But he's doing work that he's currently not being paid for, correct? 00:19:42
So that can't really be his position because he's doing something. 00:19:46
He's volunteering partition. He's asking for. 00:19:49
That's the position they're asking for. 00:19:52
So then I'll make another motion. 00:19:58
To go from 11 to 15 hours second. 00:20:03
We have a motion in a second. 00:20:06
Raise your hand on paper. Say aye. 00:20:09
The College. 00:20:13
Then. 00:20:16
Somebody please make a motion. 00:20:17
Of what you all want. Obviously you want this guy to have benefits. 00:20:19
No, I made a motion for 28 hours. That's benefits. Yeah, 28 hours. 28 hours is $20. 00:20:22
If you go to 30, it's benefits. 00:20:31
The county handbook limits people part time. 00:20:33
28 hours a week. 00:20:36
No benefits. 00:20:38
Is that county specific? 00:20:39
Yes. 00:20:42
30%. 00:20:44
I don't think this country specific. I think that is a. 00:20:46
I think that's federal losses. 00:20:52
28 This is part time. 00:20:55
Yeah. 00:20:58
So the county handbook was 28th. 00:21:00
Can we find somewhere between the 15 and 28th that everybody can agree with? 00:21:03
20. 00:21:13
Instead of doing 42 motions. 00:21:15
Dale, what's your limit 28? 00:21:21
25 How about that with the option here? 00:21:25
That's what it seems like, yes. 00:21:28
I move we. 00:21:32
Make it part time salary of 25 hour maximum. 00:21:33
OK, we have a motion. 00:21:39
Do we have a check? 00:21:41
I'll second it. 00:21:44
Have a motion and a second. 00:21:46
So any discussion? 00:21:48
I just have a question. Are we just talking about this position in general? Is that what we're just one, just one position? 00:21:50
And so we're competing. 00:21:59
Hello, we're taking this pay from 11 hours a week to 25 hours a week. 00:22:02
Is that right? 00:22:06
If there's 25 hours, we would work the work to do. 00:22:08
Sure. Yeah, he works it. 00:22:11
What about those? Do you have something inside? Yeah, sorry. 00:22:18
Another officer. 00:22:25
One person. 00:22:27
Talk about the. 00:22:28
You know. 00:22:31
Thank you. 00:22:33
Just thought. 00:22:37
I think what we're trying to combat here, Steven. 00:22:42
And and maybe I'm not interpreting what you're saying correctly is. 00:22:45
That. 00:22:50
We have creep. 00:22:51
And it's this type of thing. 00:22:53
And then next year it's gonna be. 00:22:55
He worked 28 hours a week but he volunteered another 12 and now we want to make him full time. 00:22:57
Benefits 40 hours. Ohh And by the way, he's deputy and so he's going to be, you know, 85% of my salary. 00:23:02
And. 00:23:09
We keep coming back to this and. 00:23:10
We had a discussion of. 00:23:13
Even our our chairwoman said we're going to do a combination of raising revenue and cutting. 00:23:16
You you got to tap the brakes before you can stop. 00:23:22
You know you can't. 00:23:26
Push down on the gas pedal. 00:23:28
And come to a stop so. 00:23:30
I see what you're saying about. 00:23:33
28 or less. 00:23:34
And but where does the? Where do we end this? Sorry and you're fine. 00:23:36
Stop. 00:23:43
And and you know and and I respect. 00:23:47
Yeah. 00:23:49
Where Councilman Short. 00:23:50
Just said. 00:23:52
But, but I also think that we need to take into consideration. 00:23:53
Of the fact, the mere fact, the reason why he is working. 00:23:57
And that's because. 00:24:01
Emergency situations have risen in this county. 00:24:03
And I think that Kent Morrow told us. 00:24:07
When he was here before us, before budget time that those situations. 00:24:11
Have have risen. 00:24:17
He's seeing a an increase. 00:24:19
And that he was very grateful to have. 00:24:21
The young man in that position because I mean and. 00:24:24
The young man is working. 00:24:29
To keep us in our community safe. 00:24:30
And I think that needs to be taken into consideration. 00:24:32
Emergency prepared so we have a motion and a second. 00:24:37
For 25 hours. 00:24:41
All in favor, Say aye, Aye. 00:24:47
You have one. 00:24:50
Sorry. 00:24:52
On to. 00:24:53
20. 00:24:55
So you seconded the motion that you're not gonna move on. 00:24:56
I don't want to change from 11. 00:25:00
I was just seconded it to get somewhere. 00:25:03
Because obviously you aren't going to 2nd it because you all want 28. 00:25:06
We finished the requiem. OK, we have. 00:25:11
Raise your hand for all favor Say aye. 00:25:15
OK, we have 1/2. 00:25:18
2. 00:25:20
OK, all in. Not, not in favor. Raise your hands. 00:25:21
OK. 00:25:26
So. 00:25:28
Studies. 00:25:32
Can we? 00:25:33
I'm gonna make my motion again. 00:25:34
One more time and this. I think it's in this thing. 00:25:36
I I say we make him part time up to the 28th. 00:25:41
Hours of my motion is make him part time up to 28 hours part time. 00:25:46
Person. 00:25:52
And. 00:25:55
That's how much? 00:25:56
All in favor or we can decide. 00:25:59
Fashion. 00:26:01
We have a second. 00:26:03
No, OK. 00:26:06
Wait fails again, so I guess it stays in The thing is full time. 00:26:08
Everyone. 00:26:14
I don't think we need to move on from this or we're not going to pass a budget next Monday, so we need to really. 00:26:17
We need to get this right now. 00:26:23
What do you mean? 00:26:26
If we can't agree on one position at an hourly. 00:26:28
Number of hours. 00:26:32
That's absolutely going to affect my decision on Monday of whether I support this budget or not, so. 00:26:35
OK. 00:26:45
Guys this is how the process works. This is. 00:26:46
This is the compromise part that nobody wants to do. 00:26:48
OK. 00:26:52
I know we want to rush on from this, but that's not. 00:26:54
What this is about? We need to get this right. 00:26:57
So the current budget is salary for that position. 00:27:01
$48,576 if you add on her. 00:27:04
And fight that. 00:27:10
That's 57295. So that's a real number that doesn't include what the county portion for. 00:27:12
Health insurance. Maybe eating that. Don't know what type of health insurance will last. 00:27:19
That helps you work your numbers a little bit better. But what's in the current 2024 budget 48. 00:27:25
And what was in 2023 budget was 23 or 7 hours a week at 26,650. 00:27:34
OK. 00:27:43
In 2023 he works 5 hours a week. 00:27:48
He got paid, getting paid 5 hours away. 00:27:51
We weren't 30 to 40 hours a week, but he got paid for five hours. I make a motion for 15 hours. 00:27:55
Sex triple. 00:28:01
Triple 2023. 00:28:03
Motion in a second. 00:28:06
All in favor, Raise your hands. Yeah. 00:28:09
Yeah. 00:28:13
OK, he's eventually gonna have to come all. 00:28:16
You understand that? 00:28:19
No, I don't. 00:28:20
I don't. 00:28:22
All this, All that. 00:28:23
Stock price today. 00:28:26
OK. 00:28:28
Well, that was. 00:28:29
OK, motion carries 15 hours a week. 00:28:31
OK, you remain in the part time 15 hours a week. 00:28:33
It's the greatest day remaining, 2023, or 20%. 00:28:38
Today, the same days in the same. 00:28:44
Because you. 00:28:48
Part time. 00:28:49
I don't know what Wis say on that. 00:28:50
And then? 00:28:53
So, I mean, it's up to you guys. 00:28:57
Percent. 00:28:59
Is it true that he's the only one that drives the command center? Yeah. 00:29:01
This is the one that drives the command center. 00:29:08
That. 00:29:11
The other thing too is. 00:29:14
Volunteering work. It's hard. 00:29:17
Doing the work. 00:29:20
For that. 00:29:24
There's other people that are licensed. 00:29:27
And OK to drive that command center correct. 00:29:29
Working. 00:29:38
Given that information. 00:29:45
So he. 00:29:47
Volunteer. 00:29:50
And if they get hurt? 00:29:51
Then their medical. 00:29:53
OK, we moved on. 00:29:57
15 hours. 00:29:59
OK. 00:30:00
Anybody else have anything that really tough that? 00:30:03
I wanted to bring up building Authority. 00:30:07
I've talked with a couple of Commissioners and. 00:30:10
Mr. Combs. 00:30:15
Over the last. 00:30:17
Couple days and. 00:30:19
That's the research on. 00:30:23
Property maintenance rates. 00:30:27
The salary and benefits right now for Billing Authority, $600,000. 00:30:30
$600,000. 00:30:36
The There's not a whole lot we can do about the utilities. 00:30:40
Right now. 00:30:43
Because of the the shape that the. 00:30:44
Mechanics are in. 00:30:46
I would still like to see. 00:30:48
Some breakdown of these. 00:30:50
Utility cost because. 00:30:53
$90,000. 00:30:55
A year for sewer scenes? 00:30:57
Saint $100 a month seems excessive to me. 00:31:01
I would, I would love to see some some data on that. 00:31:04
But. 00:31:08
The current. 00:31:10
Rates for commercial buildings for. 00:31:11
Property Maintenance. 00:31:14
Is about $1.75 a square foot? 00:31:16
Um. 00:31:19
Man, we could pay $4.00 a square foot and and save $200,000 a year. 00:31:21
If we're looking for cuts. 00:31:30
If we're looking. 00:31:32
For $200,000 to $300,000. 00:31:34
This could be subbed out. 00:31:38
And and help us to get to where we need to be. 00:31:43
In short order where we're looking. 00:31:47
If if we potentially do something with a new or rehabbed building. 00:31:50
We are heavily leaning toward the bot process anyway. 00:31:57
So. 00:32:00
Um. 00:32:01
It's coming. 00:32:04
But $600,000 a year in salaries and benefits? 00:32:07
4. 00:32:11
Like it's maybe. 00:32:13
11 people. 00:32:15
Do you have do you have the budget in front of you? I do. 00:32:17
Is there building security on there? 00:32:20
Yes, yes, there is. It is. 00:32:23
Yeah, No. 00:32:29
No, it's not. It's not. 00:32:32
I'm starting to think. 00:32:35
I didn't get any. I didn't get any answers back on the. 00:32:39
The service contracts either at. 00:32:43
$256,000 but. 00:32:45
Umm. 00:32:48
Yeah, it's in here somewhere. 00:32:51
Seemed like it was. 00:32:53
OK, so how do we go about doing this then? 00:32:59
You've suggested this a couple times, but. 00:33:02
We're now further along than we were, you know, six months ago. Well, this is. So how do we, how do we make this happen? Great 00:33:04
idea, love it, but let's make it happen. 00:33:09
Then you then you fund it at a level. 00:33:15
That it has to happen. That's the only way to do it. You can ask the commissioners to do it. 00:33:17
You can ask them to go out and find a company to do this work. 00:33:22
To save our county taxpayers. 00:33:26
Several $100,000. 00:33:30
But if there's no. 00:33:32
Inkling to do that. 00:33:35
Then. 00:33:38
But don't you think we should work together? Absolutely do. 00:33:40
Absolutely. Watching it and say let's work together to find a better solution and save some money here. Have we done that? 00:33:43
It hasn't happened. Denny's been asking and no one's. 00:33:52
Willing to participate. So what else do you do at this point? 00:33:56
I've heard you've been saying it for several means. I've heard him saying that even before I got on the Council and some of the 00:34:01
meetings. Did you get a quote from somebody that can do it and present it to the commissioners? 00:34:06
Hi. 00:34:13
I I can do that, yeah. 00:34:14
Come on. 00:34:19
If you want, we have lost our way of understanding. 00:34:21
That we hold the purse strings to this county. We have not lost our way. 00:34:25
We we, we accept budgets. 00:34:29
On their face without asking these questions. 00:34:32
Because it only went up 3% from last year. 00:34:36
That's not even true. Danny, did you ask any questions about the building authority budget when it was presented? I did not, 00:34:39
because you've been talking about it all year long. I yeah, I'm trying to get some traction. 00:34:45
You didn't do anything about it, John. Are you willing to look into this with me? 00:34:51
Together. 00:34:56
I You were my next phone call. 00:34:57
Ohh, is that the commission's purview anywhere that's building, sorry purview. 00:35:02
Well, they have that that muddy water right there. 00:35:07
Like the building authority is gonna check themselves. 00:35:11
It is absolutely in the Commissioners purview. 00:35:15
Absolutely. Gotta get a quote and you gotta present the the options. You can't just sit here and talk about. 00:35:18
So not only just sit here and talk about it for two for six months. 00:35:24
So now not only do we. 00:35:29
Do the financials, we now have to go out and get the bids. 00:35:31
We have to. That's not our position. We have to present options. If we think there are options, we need to be presenting them. 00:35:35
That's my opinion. 00:35:42
Just like. 00:35:44
Throw something out. 00:35:45
I did the research on what the going rate is. 00:35:48
For commercial property maintenance. 00:35:52
I calculated what the savings will be. 00:35:56
But you can't just like I've got it to the five yard line. Somebody please take it over the goal line. 00:36:00
That's not to the five yard line, that's to the. 00:36:06
Not even took a 50%. 00:36:10
Whatever you call it. 00:36:13
It's crazy, Danny. 00:36:15
You haven't done your homework. 00:36:17
Ohh, I've absolutely done my homework. 00:36:19
So what's that dollar savings again, Danny? Roughly $1000 range? 00:36:22
So that's a conservative estimate. So if we went conservative and cut 200,000 from the budget. 00:36:26
Make it easily get that and then we can. 00:36:32
Resurrect this next year and get more details and maybe cut further that possible. What are they gonna do? Fire their janitors? 00:36:34
Fire their? 00:36:39
Ohh Steve, did you fire the food workers or did they find a way to transition over? 00:36:44
Absolutely. Mr. Short, can I ask, you said you've spoken with Mr. Coombs. Did he have anything to say? He's the president he 00:36:50
presented me with with budgets and was he's promised to give me some more paperwork? 00:36:57
Um. 00:37:05
On a utility breakdowns. 00:37:06
And some different things. I think there's a little bit of confusion. There's some bleed over into. 00:37:08
Um. 00:37:14
The janitors cleaning sheriff's offices but not the jail area. 00:37:15
And then does the building authority pay those utilities or is that come out of the separate pot so? 00:37:19
What? What's he open to that? 00:37:25
In my opinion, they're. I'm sorry, what'd you do? I was just asking if he was, if Mr. Combs was OK. 00:37:27
I don't think. 00:37:34
I didn't nail him down on a yes or no if he's. 00:37:37
Ready to give that up? 00:37:39
Um, which I don't think anybody in his position would. 00:37:41
Be wise to say they are. 00:37:45
Um. 00:37:46
But. 00:37:48
We. 00:37:53
We're not going to get there. 00:37:54
Bye. 00:37:55
Not getting creative with how we. 00:37:58
Run this county. 00:38:00
We need to have a meeting and. 00:38:02
With the Commissioners, with the building authority and with us and say we need to do something about this. 00:38:05
Let's look at options. We know this company maybe can come in and do this this one. 00:38:11
You know, and and and that kind of thing needs to happen before you just go and you cut the budget and we don't have janitors come 00:38:17
up. 00:38:22
I'm getting there one, John, you know what the administrative coordinator does. 00:38:27
Who is that? 00:38:34
Writing down. 00:38:37
3. 00:38:39
All that. 00:38:42
It's 48. Forty, $6000 a year, plus movement. 00:38:45
I say I'm not disagreeing with you that we need to look at this. I completely think we do. 00:38:49
I just placed the bone about it in a very dysfunctional way. 00:38:56
Very good function. 00:39:01
And if that's the way we want to operate, change on us is what I'm saying. 00:39:03
What if we just go slicing people who budget without giving them proper notice for ability? 00:39:08
To come in and present. 00:39:15
What's going on? 00:39:18
That's not OK with me. I'm sorry. 00:39:20
This is not. 00:39:22
I don't have enough data to make a a decision. There needs to be some hard data on. 00:39:26
What it would cost if we you know what what? 00:39:31
What it would do to cut just $200,000 arbitrarily, you know, it's just it's A and we can pass a budget and then come back and and 00:39:34
if we get a plan in place we can unappropriate we can always do that. 00:39:40
And I'm more than willing to do that, More than willing to inappropriate times. We need to have a plan. We can't just start 00:39:48
cutting cut plan. Do we know where this is being paid for out of? 00:39:53
Send it. 00:40:00
It's not even out yet. 00:40:01
Ohh actually free up other money. 00:40:03
Look at that. But I'm just saying it's not out of town. 00:40:07
Well, actually though, just make comment to the sheriff. 00:40:11
Is that? 00:40:14
It went. 00:40:16
Previously it went to a private contractor. 00:40:18
And you brought it back in house, just the opposite of what we're talking about here. 00:40:20
Pause. 00:40:25
In previous administration. 00:40:26
Subject. 00:40:28
Pitching more to a private contractor, right? 00:40:29
Yeah, but then you brought it back in house. 00:40:33
Which is actually absolutely. 00:40:36
Opposite of what we're proposing. 00:40:38
Is taken out of house and taken. 00:40:41
Out. 00:40:44
And I mean, and then it in your case it worked out better to bring you back in house. 00:40:45
And we did exactly what you're talking about. We took an overall look at the cost of rising costs an outside source company 00:40:50
providing not only in foods. 00:40:55
Salaries and the benefits to the employees. 00:41:00
Compare that against bringing the employees on independently found another resource for generating the food. 00:41:02
Realize that there's physical savings. 00:41:09
Yeah. 00:41:11
Going to going that course of action. 00:41:13
Quiet. 00:41:16
Saving counting. 00:41:16
A couple of dollars moving in that direction. 00:41:18
So we applied good fiscal responsibility at least. 00:41:21
Then we put it together. 00:41:24
Is that there's a cost savings in this Ave. versus continuing down this path? 00:41:25
Well, to be clear. 00:41:31
Then, Danny, I'm I'm all for privatizing anything. 00:41:33
Grab ties. 00:41:37
In general. 00:41:38
I just. I feel like. 00:41:39
The the private industry can. 00:41:42
Do think more efficiently and. 00:41:45
More cost effective than. 00:41:47
Haven't known employees like for example cleaning staff and that. 00:41:49
And then? 00:41:54
Then what that budget is that include the? 00:41:55
What used to be the hasty mechanical team that was down there every day. 00:42:00
There's 256,000 in there for contractual services, so I'm sure. 00:42:04
Yeah, OK. But generally, I'm in favor of privatizing when we can, if it's if it's a safe. 00:42:08
But if. 00:42:14
And if that's if that would be a savings? 00:42:16
However you gotta look at. Are you gonna get the same? I guess some. 00:42:18
Are you gonna get the same results? 00:42:23
If you have. 00:42:26
Where you control your own employees versus having a private company come in. 00:42:28
I I. 00:42:32
Is there a motion to be made here? 00:42:35
OK. 00:42:39
I was just curious though, like in the Commissioner when we said this is edit fun. 00:42:40
In the commissioners budget building office and space room for 350,000, does that go to them? I'm not, I'm don't understand this. 00:42:45
I'm just asking questions. Is that? 00:42:51
Go I'm good to see thority I. 00:42:56
I think part of it is in there, but I think that might be. 00:42:59
Something to do with the jail, is it? 00:43:04
So the question. 00:43:06
I'm talking about the Commissioner. I know budget for building an office space rents 350,000. 00:43:08
We'd have to ask on for sure, but I think I just. I'm curious. I don't know. I think the majority of this comes out of the edit 00:43:15
fund, but I did see that too. 00:43:20
Solution. But I mean we cut the budget and that means maybe. 00:43:26
We could cut that budget too and. 00:43:30
The domino flow here. 00:43:33
Because then that would hit our general fund. 00:43:34
Umm. 00:43:38
Yeah, I I do think maybe that part is part of the total $1.5 million or whatever this is. Well, then it could hit the general 00:43:42
fund. 00:43:46
1000 cuts not saying how it's going to be done. Then say if we did, then I suggest that we we we do. 00:43:51
Move forward with this idea, then. I think it's a good idea, but I don't think we're at a position where we can make any 00:43:59
decisions. 00:44:02
I would suggest we. 00:44:06
Get a meeting together with the commissioners and with the building authority and let's talk about. 00:44:09
How do you move forward with your idea? 00:44:15
You want me to orchestrate that? 00:44:20
Or do you want to orchestrate that? 00:44:22
No, I'll, I'll just. 00:44:24
Stay on my. 00:44:25
Fact finding mission and just report what I find and I'm going to set up a meeting it's it's we need to set up a meeting to see 00:44:27
what this kind of. 00:44:31
We already have a glory. 00:44:36
Put that onto the agenda, please put that the building authority onto the agenda. Thank you. 00:44:40
4th yes. 00:44:48
And can we invite Aaron to that as well? 00:44:50
Thank you. 00:44:53
OK, I have one more question about this budget. 00:44:56
So. 00:45:00
After lab last budget discussion and what have you, we got a copy of the salary ordinance, but the salary ordinance doesn't match. 00:45:01
Just. 00:45:09
Budget. 00:45:10
I think they're working on making sure it does. 00:45:13
Right. 00:45:16
Yeah, what? What way is? Does it not match? 00:45:18
Work today. 00:45:23
This. 00:45:25
And then there was a big questions which. 00:45:28
You have made those changes. 00:45:30
But or do you have specific examples? I do OK. 00:45:33
Prosecutor's office chief investigator. 00:45:38
On the salary ordinance that we just got. 00:45:42
Which? Which one? 00:45:46
Yeah, sure. 00:45:49
Computer OK. 00:45:51
Chief Investigator. 00:45:55
Per the 2023 budget, numbers make 63 to 50, however. 00:45:59
It's saying 54724. 00:46:06
For the. 00:46:10
24 salaries. 00:46:12
And. 00:46:14
That was. 00:46:15
We started with 2023. We went to. 00:46:17
3. 00:46:21
2024 and then going back. 00:46:23
The lines didn't line up. 00:46:26
And I. 00:46:29
That's it. 00:46:33
So that one has been fixed. 00:46:36
Is there another one? 00:46:38
Well, some of the longevity was I guess confused on their theirs as well. 00:46:40
So we need to make sure that those are correct. 00:46:47
OK. 00:46:52
OK. I just want to make sure that what I'm looking at not right. 00:46:54
The plan is we're gonna make any adjustments or combine any adjustments and tomorrow after this meeting, whenever it's decided. 00:46:58
We'll be sending out an updated budget as well as the updated salary ordinance to pass that budget so that everybody has updated 00:47:05
information. 00:47:10
To look at and compare. 00:47:15
In preparation for adoption. 00:47:17
Get back any questions. 00:47:21
And you'll also get that to town so that he can get it forward. 00:47:25
Based on. 00:47:30
What we come up with, correct? 00:47:31
OK, for instance. 00:47:34
The information that we sent out tomorrow, that kind of stuff. Thank you. 00:47:37
Michelle and I are looking to prosecutors. 00:47:43
And hearing that, that conversation. 00:47:46
Are they getting the picture sent? Are they? 00:47:49
The prosecutor. 00:47:53
There are a few positions that did not meet the external mic that we questioned at budget hearing whether or not they've still got 00:47:56
3%. 00:48:01
And the. 00:48:07
The response we got from the council was that if they hadn't met the external medicine yet. 00:48:08
At the time of that meeting there were 11 reflecting on the salary and budget. 00:48:14
Orders that had been given. 00:48:20
It's an increase, but after we all went back through it, some adjustments were made. So really our our question is. 00:48:23
Are those individuals getting that 3% or is the entire prosecutors office and child support office is being frozen in 2023? We 00:48:31
need to know that. 00:48:35
For budget purposes, for salary ordinance purposes, so that we can send out most accurate information to people tomorrow because 00:48:40
we've gotten. 00:48:44
Kind of mix information at this point, What's in there, what's in there right now? 00:48:48
Everybody's black. 00:48:54
What? What was reflected in the budget? 00:48:57
What positions qualify? 00:49:00
They were actually. 00:49:02
4:00. 00:49:05
There were four that were under the external mic, correct? Yeah, actually one. There is one. 00:49:08
Take care of that with our new paralegal position. 00:49:14
It shows the 3%. 00:49:18
On this, but then everybody elses doesn't. 00:49:20
Changed even though. 00:49:24
Five of the OR. 00:49:26
Yeah, five of the prosecutors. 00:49:28
They would qualify, yeah. 00:49:31
So only five, only 5. 00:49:35
So I fixed positions that are not. 00:49:37
Add external with the the paralegal she just talked about, well it's changed on here. It shows they added the 3%. 00:49:41
You just were asking for clarification about these five positions. 00:49:49
Do they get? 00:49:53
And or are we freezing them at 2023 isn't the SO positions yeah. 00:49:55
So what's the paralegal So. 00:50:01
No, the paralegal is. 00:50:04
It doesn't even have. 00:50:06
What is a paralegal? Is it A Pat B Pat A? 00:50:08
Normally. 00:50:12
Might be, yeah. What is the, what is the salary for that? Well, I know it's normally it's the 50,600, but on this one, because 00:50:14
it's a third paralegal, we got that. It was vacant last year or I guess this year it was 46 something, 46, five and then yeah, 00:50:21
they pulled it up to 47. 00:50:29
I'm sorry. 00:50:38
4775 is what we pulled up to. 00:50:41
At 5600. 00:50:46
50,600 so this, this open paralegal spot that hasn't been filled. 00:50:48
Went up to 420244775 even though it could, in essence. 00:50:55
50,600 They didn't take it all the way up there. 00:51:02
So our question is. 00:51:06
4 prosecutors 55. 00:51:09
Are they? 00:51:13
To get this increase or or are they to be frozen at 2023, That's the only questions you have for the prostate yourself. Everyone 00:51:14
else they left at at 20.3. I think there was a level of confusion for sure because I think we initially started down one Rd. 00:51:22
deviated and I think we're back on this road. Everybody got the e-mail from from Chris Lane. 00:51:29
That basically said he's he was under the understanding. 00:51:37
From our last meeting. 00:51:40
That there were some people in the office that qualified and I just ended in it to be identified or having it identified to me who 00:51:42
they were. Now that I know I'm personally. 00:51:47
What I've said and I'm OK with it. I'm OK with it. 00:51:51
With that adjustment, I'm gonna ask the question, what's the midpoint? 00:51:54
4:00 And it's 86 something. 86 I think I I I think that we mail I. 00:51:58
And I can't remember the look at him. 00:52:07
Shall we? You have that off the top of your head. 00:52:13
With. 00:52:16
It it was, it was 86,000 something was the midpoint for that for those, for the UMM we had originally had them at. 00:52:17
The 3% takes them to 87, but I believe that. 00:52:29
Chris had agreed to. 00:52:33
Stopping it at that 86. 00:52:37
It is 6634. Thank you. Yeah. 00:52:40
And it's pretty big points. They're at 84. 00:52:44
755, so if we brought them up to that 86. 00:52:48
And that's actually less than a 3% increase, correct. Increase takes them to 87, yeah. And if you do that, I think I added it up, 00:52:53
it's almost $9000. 00:52:58
Saving instead of if you don't do the full 3%. 00:53:02
We were OK just going up to the mid. 00:53:06
So for clarification for you guys, I'll make a motion that we. 00:53:09
Move forward with. 00:53:14
The 5SOS positions up to the 86,000 and some change where that is 30%. No, no, it wasn't 30%, It's a little after three. 00:53:16
It brings it up to the midpoint which is 86 thousand 34634, but some of them are way below the midpoint. 00:53:29
Some of them are at 75, so that that is not one of the positions that is included. 00:53:37
The 3% on that, it goes up to 77250 or something like that. So not all of them are going to be just. Only one prosecutor would get 00:53:43
3% and then the other four would go a little bit less than 3%. 00:53:49
For Jorge we did only I only went up to 80 something, so four positions 81. 00:53:57
Hi. 00:54:05
Outline the number of. 00:54:06
OK, so our. 00:54:09
These two. 00:54:13
Our second deputy would go up to the 86634. 00:54:17
Our lead missing or deputy would go up to the 86634. 00:54:22
And then our third deputy prosecutor would go up to the 86634. 00:54:27
And then our 4th Deputy Prosecutor would go up to 80. 00:54:31
281. 00:54:36
80. 00:54:37
80,281 and then our. 00:54:38
5th Deputy processor would go up to 77250. 00:54:42
And she would be the only one, the whole 3%, and the other four would be a little bit less than 3%. And in turn that saves. 00:54:45
Almost $9000. 00:54:54
Instead of asking the third deputy. 00:54:56
What? 00:55:00
And the number on the third deputy prosecutor would be the 86634 and but I'm looking at something here showing me supposed to be 00:55:00
8281 and midpoint. 00:55:05
For the third deputy one, yes, on the listing I have. 00:55:10
7. 00:55:14
Back. 00:55:15
Right, but it but the midpoint is 80,000 something, so this one was not supposed to get a raise. 00:55:18
Because they're above the midpoint. 00:55:24
You don't give a raise to those above them already. Yeah, but OK, what does the 4th Deputy say? 00:55:27
Is. 00:55:40
OK, that's OK. Yeah, that that's what we were asking. 00:55:43
What does the bird say? 00:55:47
8. 00:55:50
OK. No, that's what we that's no third. 00:55:52
What? 00:55:56
Listen, you gave me. 00:55:57
3rd Deputy I I checked whatever I think Michelle sent me a while back and it the 1st, the 2nd. 00:55:59
We, the second deputy, lead misdemeanor deputy and 3rd deputy all made the same. 00:56:06
They were all categorized as the same. 00:56:11
And that's where I got the 86634. 00:56:13
Yeah, so based on. 00:56:18
What Michelle has a modified emotion. 00:56:20
To include into the budget and clarify for the the the Utters office. 00:56:23
That there's three positions, third deputy 86634, one fourth deputy position at 80,281. 00:56:29
1/5 Deputy at 77250 and 1 Paralegal at 7 at 47725. 00:56:37
2nd. 00:56:44
Motion and a second. 00:56:47
Like the discussion? 00:56:49
Yeah, we'll wait. 00:56:52
OK. 00:56:59
Brain, that Public defenders, Office administrator. 00:57:01
Yeah, I was going to get to that after this, but we can talk about that. We'll get to that next. 00:57:07
Yeah. We appreciate you all. 00:57:16
Going through. 00:57:18
The. 00:57:28
Comma. 00:57:31
Right. 00:57:34
Are we good? 00:57:44
No, she showed me one number and the number I got in the handout are different. I don't know why they're different. 00:57:46
Confused by that? 00:57:51
OK, we have a motion and a second. Any discussion? 00:57:54
All in favor of she's not even she. Can you confirm that number is correct? 00:57:58
All the solos have one midpoint. 00:58:03
The midpoint is the midpoint, right? Ohh no. 00:58:09
The 5th Deputy sees our new attire. She would be. 00:58:14
OK, not at this moment. Yeah, OK. 00:58:17
Ohh, I might have it. Well, while we're waiting on that. 00:58:23
We have a motion Ohh, we're in discussion. I'll discuss a different topic then. 00:58:30
There. So to your point, Gloria, I think that. 00:58:36
The. 00:58:39
Public Defenders office tries to keep in mind with prosecutors office they use it as a benchmark. 00:58:41
Not just locally, but also I think the State Commission, Public Defenders Commission tries to, you know. 00:58:46
Keep parity with that. 00:58:53
I believe and correct before I'm wrong. I believe that the public defenders office administrator. 00:58:55
Did include a 3% COLA, but the the Prosecutors office and the Office administrator did not. Is that? 00:59:02
Right. We need to bring those to the same. So I would recommend that we also. 00:59:10
Not apply public defender. 00:59:14
Office administrator Cowa. 00:59:17
Because if we're not doing it for the prosecutor's office, I don't think we should do it for the defense of the public defenders 00:59:19
office, so. 00:59:22
I can work that into, I guess a separate motion. 00:59:28
4755. 00:59:34
What's the midpoint for that position? 00:59:39
It's. 00:59:41
6/6. 00:59:42
OK. 00:59:44
Yeah, it's different than what was provided. That's why I'm asking why they're different. 00:59:45
OK, So what she gave me. So there's a motion and a second. 00:59:51
To bring. 00:59:54
For all that. 00:59:57
Our positions. 00:59:59
Happy position, yes. 01:00:00
6 total. 01:00:03
Yes, Yep. Yes. 01:00:05
Crackers. 01:00:08
Yeah, there's three third deputies. 01:00:09
1/4 one fifth one. 01:00:13
OK, yeah, that's true. 01:00:15
Apparently in the position, Yeah, that's already, that's already been included already. Yeah, that one. Correct. OK, we have a 01:00:17
motion and a second. 01:00:22
All in favor, say aye. Any opposed? 01:00:28
Motion carries. 01:00:33
Another motion to to. 01:00:33
Keep the. 01:00:36
The Prosecutor's office administrator and the Public defender office administrator at the same level. Take the COLA. Basically, 01:00:38
that's in there now, away from the PD office administrator to keep those two positions. 01:00:44
2nd. 01:00:52
Motion and a second discussion all in favor, say aye, aye. Any opposed. 01:00:54
OK. 01:01:00
Anything else? 01:01:01
Ohh. 01:01:04
I haven't seen an updated budget since the first, but. 01:01:06
There's the two additional. 01:01:10
Officers don't and the sheriff budget. 01:01:13
Yes. 01:01:16
I believe they found a way to pay for it. I don't think there's an additional cost. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's still in the 01:01:18
budget forms, right? 01:01:21
Have we seen those adjustments? What's being cut? Is that going to be tomorrow when we get to see those? Can you come up please? 01:01:25
Both positions are there. What we've done is we've reallocated increasing management. 01:01:36
Cost along with job descriptions. 01:01:42
To accommodate. 01:01:44
25% of the captain salaries. 01:01:47
On the On the shelves to the general Lead fund. 01:01:50
Which is freeing up about $80,000 in salaries and as well we're moving $80,000. We haven't moved it yet, but we're gonna move 01:01:53
$80,000 out of our equipment, the line of until the salary line. So if it's OK if if this gets blessed, we'll coordinate with 01:01:58
our's office. 01:02:03
To move that out of the equipment line up into the sewer line for the merit office and that will be for 20/24/2024, yes ma'am, as 01:02:09
well as now. 01:02:13
We were just gonna move them in 2024. In 2020. OK. If you could put that in writing so we can see that. Yeah, Send it to us. You 01:02:18
gotta appreciate it. Yes, Sir. 01:02:22
Did why you up there? Did you know that grant position now are they? 01:02:27
Your sultants position that you had grant money for that fell short and you were imposing funds from another grant to cover the 01:02:32
difference. 01:02:36
Did you make those changes? 01:02:40
For that grant. 01:02:42
We're a little restrictive on the bill. The ability to do that because of the grant money is actually housed in the jail lift 01:02:44
fund. 01:02:47
So I'm trying to figure out a way to cleanly and clearly identify that process. The money still has been unused. We got another 01:02:51
sheriff got another $6000 for that particular grant. 01:02:57
From our place, so the 36,000 is currently being housed in the jail unit fund. 01:03:04
But we just need to clarify exactly how that. 01:03:09
Can accommodate the benefits for the 9131, the grant, the ideal seat grant, yeah, because we just talked about cleaning that up. 01:03:12
So we can go year to year to budget to know that it's covered and then if the grant this continues, then we know. 01:03:19
But. 01:03:27
No, I certainly agree I would. I just want to make sure that when we do this, we do it absolutely right the first time, so we 01:03:27
don't end up muddy in the waters in any form of fashion at this point. So I'll be glad to work with you on that and we can maybe 01:03:32
just some other. I'm just wondering how it's affecting this budget. That's why I'm trying to make sure we get this all clean, 01:03:36
That's all. 01:03:40
We're going to put that line on item in there playing the forecast for the carry over. That $36,000 wasn't part of that carryover. 01:03:46
It was isolated strictly for the benefits of it. 01:03:51
That I will see. 01:03:56
Employee. 01:03:58
So you just got to clearly identify exactly how it's. 01:04:00
Good health benefits. 01:04:05
Check. 01:04:08
OK. Anything else? 01:04:10
Did we for the prosecutors office, was there a receptionist position added. Is that correct that with this one that's kind of 01:04:12
being funded with other accounts right now? Do we add that in the budget? 01:04:17
There was nothing, but I think we took it out. 01:04:23
It was pulled out. OK, that's what I wanna make sure. 01:04:26
Anything else? She's got her hand down. 01:04:31
Public Defenders Office. 01:04:35
That. 01:04:38
Another administrator. 01:04:41
$20,000. 01:04:45
It's not. 01:04:48
But it is in the budget. 01:04:52
Yeah. 01:04:54
So we need to add it to the sales order. 01:04:54
Adding. 01:04:59
I think they were planning that out of his, his specialty funding when they're coming out of the general fund. 01:05:02
It's coming out of. 01:05:09
Well. 01:05:11
Is that? 01:05:15
Does that fund get replenished every year or are we going to sneak this one in a year from now? 01:05:17
Please. 01:05:23
With some of them anymore, we did have a whole discussion we didn't want to do. 01:05:25
I thought we have came with a compromise. I think we're going to bring, we're going to bring the three over from superior two or 01:05:32
one. 01:05:35
Ministrator that's gonna get paid out of the 1200 time. 01:05:41
And I think I, you guys, I know that you all this stuff, all that during the budget hearings with him, but because he's able to 01:05:45
perform it all through his stuff. 01:05:49
And came a time that you all were gonna negate that, but I need to know if we need to pull it. 01:05:55
The new positions. 01:06:06
So is that new or is that a or is that a carryover from supplemental to something new? 01:06:10
So he's so he's gonna keep on and supplemental and and he wants another one created in county general is that right? 01:06:17
I think I've got a picture of this. There was one in the. 01:06:24
There was one in the full time at 40. 01:06:29
And then he was moving the 18,500 back to the supplemental fund. 01:06:32
Yeah. 01:06:37
And then he was also putting the deputy public defender. 01:06:39
At 60,000. 01:06:43
Or I guess it's zeroed out this year back to the supplier? 01:06:45
He's supporting it, I think for a year ago with the compromise that came up with for a year or I don't even know how many. 01:06:49
And still. 01:06:58
At that time at the Council meeting that the put it back in the general. 01:07:00
Call. 01:07:06
So we are. 01:07:12
Is there what there's? There's need to be a clarification on this. 01:07:13
Are we? Asked Michelle. We need to. 01:07:19
And there's a, there is a 40% reimbursement on that, is that right? 01:07:26
That's one position that qualifies for 40%. 01:07:31
I mean. 01:07:42
Umm. 01:07:44
We've had to. We got that. 01:07:46
Stern letter from the Commission. 01:07:48
On Public Defenders Commission, and I've talked to Daniel, I mean it's. 01:07:51
They they basically have 3 phases. They inform you, they warn you, and then they take action. 01:07:56
Yeah, yeah. 01:08:03
And we're at, we're at stage one. I don't care to get to stage two or three. So personally I'm OK with it. 01:08:06
So was this a SIT District assistant? That's part of the. 01:08:13
Letter from the state. 01:08:18
These are art at it because he's taking on 3 new attorneys. 01:08:20
What? What's the reason behind that? 01:08:23
I thought that was just when that just for the attorneys, for the lawyers, this is a, you know, this, this position is created 01:08:26
because he's taking on. 01:08:30
He's taking on more workload. He's taking on three more in three additional from Superior One or whatever county court is he's 01:08:35
taking that on. 01:08:39
OK, great. 01:08:43
I think it's technically additional workloads though. 01:08:46
That's more media offices. 01:08:49
That that court doesn't usually go through city office. 01:08:52
Nor do the cases. 01:08:56
So his office is now taking on those public defenders, along with the caseload that they. 01:08:57
Take service of his administrative assistant, which he basically has 1 1/2. 01:09:05
Um. 01:09:10
Is 1 and a part timer. 01:09:11
Or maybe even a part timer? 01:09:13
Because he's got his receptionist, but. 01:09:16
They're now inheriting all of those spaces. 01:09:19
This. 01:09:24
How many do the prosecutors have? 01:09:24
We're talking parody. 01:09:27
That was the question. 01:09:31
The administrative assistance How many? 01:09:32
A lot more than 2 1/2. 01:09:37
But I guess. 01:09:40
It clarified. 01:09:41
The three public defenders from Superior Two are now being purged into. 01:09:44
The Public Defenders office. 01:09:49
So that is going to increase the workload for the public defenders office administratively, not necessarily for the attorneys. 01:09:51
But the attorneys can no longer go to Superior to staff. 01:09:59
And with with any help they, they will rely on the public defenders staff for help and that's why I believe. 01:10:03
Matt asked for additional help because that's going to be additional workload for. 01:10:10
The OR the PO? 01:10:14
RPD, sorry. 01:10:17
OK. Anything else do we need to clarify that because I don't think we've. 01:10:27
It's in the budget, but not in the salary ordinance. 01:10:32
I'm tired of it's not salary ordinance. I'm. 01:10:35
They need to be the same. 01:10:40
I'll make a motion then to edit to the salary ones. 01:10:43
The position. 01:10:46
That motion. 01:10:47
To the second. 01:10:49
I'll second it. 01:10:51
Have a motion and a second. 01:10:53
And you discussion. 01:10:55
And we had it all in favor. Say aye, Aye. Raise your hand. 01:10:57
Compose. 01:11:03
OK, good cares. 01:11:04
OK. Anything else? 01:11:11
I noticed in the IT budget. 01:11:15
There was 56,000 added for additional IT software that come out of another budget that they had. 01:11:17
They're going to the general fund. 01:11:25
I just want to resurrect that we're trying to cut. 01:11:27
Cost here. 01:11:30
44,000 last year, now sent to 100,000 in the general fund. They had it charged to another account. 01:11:32
But fold it out and decide to add it to here I. 01:11:38
The question. 01:11:41
Can we afford that? I mean, we're trying to make cuts to these budgets. 01:11:42
I would call that was for the. 01:11:45
That. 01:11:48
It's nothing new. They already had it budgeted. 01:11:50
In their own. 01:11:52
Well, I think I can only speculate that was because the crash that the edit is under. 01:11:54
They were probably fun ways, I can only speculate. Now they're finding ways to move. 01:11:59
Current expenses around so. 01:12:04
Yeah, I don't know. 01:12:06
I don't know what we want to do with that because they it increased, what, 56,000? 01:12:08
We'd have to move it somewhere else. 01:12:12
Correctly from Vegetarian. 01:12:16
This particular line of people get asked about it. 01:12:19
EDIT. 01:12:22
Was the result of edit edit. 01:12:23
Being under a crunch. 01:12:26
And typically they split the cost between. 01:12:28
Edit and the general fund, and I think you said you had shipped the whole entire amount. 01:12:31
Instead of having it split between. 01:12:37
Was there any notes on moving the two 9130? 01:12:40
2130 Research Capital. 01:12:47
Can you put? 01:12:50
That's not capital. Ohh, I don't know it's. 01:12:52
Whatever the. 01:12:55
On that mission. 01:12:56
9130. 01:12:58
Cortana. 01:13:05
Or isn't it? Isn't that where their spin rate goes? 01:13:10
Nonetheless, I don't know. 01:13:15
Just look at. 01:13:18
I don't know what we want to do with that. I mean, I think that's for the. 01:13:22
The firewall intrusion. 01:13:28
Testing. 01:13:31
That happens every year. I think it's important. 01:13:32
Cyber security, Cyber security. Thank you. 01:13:35
Quite. 01:13:38
What? 01:13:39
So it's it's definitely a needed expense. It's working. 01:13:40
That's where you want to put it. 01:13:43
Yeah. 01:13:44
And I think, I think that's what I recall. 01:13:48
Yeah. 01:13:55
I don't know where we would come up with it. 01:13:58
They are under a crunch with edit it's. 01:14:03
Lower next year than it than it is this year. 01:14:06
As far as funding revenue? 01:14:08
Anything else? 01:14:14
I've had the question. 01:14:17
I'm looking at that print out that we've got from the reading group and. 01:14:18
Transfer in from LITED? Is that the? 01:14:22
Said. 01:14:26
It went from 500,000 to 50 is that was. 01:14:27
They're contributing to that capital that is. Is that what that is? 01:14:31
That is the. 01:14:37
Look, go behind. 01:14:40
And you? 01:14:41
There was $500,000 that was gonna go somewhere. 01:14:44
So the current. 01:14:48
Thinking is that we're going to split that. 01:14:50
5050. 01:14:52
It has hardly titled in the updated budget. 01:14:54
The line that that's coming out. 01:15:00
OK. 01:15:03
And what revenues in there? 01:15:05
When that gets retitled. 01:15:08
You know with big dollar amount is in there. 01:15:09
Can we make sure we put that on the joint meeting too and can we make can? 01:15:14
Is there a rest? I talked with Al about resolution so that we can all sign that. 01:15:20
And get this behind us. We gotta do that before the end of the year, just to clarify. 01:15:26
Go ahead. 01:15:30
Clarify what you want. 01:15:32
So. 01:15:33
Go Bond. 01:15:37
Resolution. 01:15:38
Where it's going to be a joint resolution. A joint resolution, Yeah, I mean, I'm. 01:15:42
I I've never signed off on 250 myself. No matter. It's just you know it's we signed off on. We actually signed off on 500. We have 01:15:46
a resolution already passed. 01:15:51
But they did that 100, but they never signed it. We sent it to them, they never signed it. So, So what's it gonna go in on the 01:15:56
budget? I guess that's my question. 01:16:01
Is what is it funded at? 01:16:05
What It's got what? 01:16:13
So if it's anything less, it just affects the bottom line. I mean, it could stay at 500, but if that's not what it ends up being 01:16:16
agreed to. 01:16:19
Really. Group has 250 in their projections. 01:16:23
OK. 01:16:28
Yeah, they just. 01:16:29
Put it back at 2:50. 01:16:30
Because I think they were talking to the Commissioners about. 01:16:31
Yes. 01:16:34
That, yeah, sure, it doesn't matter. 01:16:36
We gotta we gotta resolve it some one way or another. 01:16:38
OK. 01:16:42
So all the judicial raises that. 01:16:45
Move to external mid instead of 3%. So everyone's OK with that. I mean we're talking about we have to. 01:16:48
Make these cuts the circuit, all the court members that got the significant raises. 01:16:55
We're gonna, I mean, we're talking about crunching and we need to look at some things without cutting services or cutting jobs. 01:17:02
Aren't we gonna have to refocus on some of that stuff? 01:17:06
So I mean you talking about the the courts. Yeah, So I'll address that. 01:17:11
I think Dale, you and I met with the courts. The court are two. Two of the of the judges still are in Judge Brown, yeah. 01:17:18
And. 01:17:27
They have what I would consider a fair request to keep in line with the prosecutor's office. Pat pat bees, I believe. 01:17:28
Umm. 01:17:36
And they're. 01:17:38
Substantially below that right now. 01:17:39
And. 01:17:43
They did say that. Ohh, they did they they did OfferUp cuts. I believe most of it, if not all of it came from. 01:17:46
Judge Brown. 01:17:53
Budget. 01:17:55
So they did OfferUp touch to to pay for that. So that's. 01:17:56
Well, you cut his law books. 01:18:00
Yeah, substantially. So it's paid for. 01:18:02
So it's a, it's a virtually net neutral expense. 01:18:05
To make that happen. 01:18:10
I was I just say you know you know Jim is first year for for for you being here. I know this is not a threat but it's just real 01:18:11
talk that if it if this doesn't happen. 01:18:17
I'm confident that a mandate will. 01:18:24
Follow and that's going to. 01:18:27
Well. 01:18:30
That that'll cost more money and. 01:18:32
We'll probably end up right back where we are, so. 01:18:34
We can do what we want to do there, but. 01:18:37
I personally have had. 01:18:40
The conversations and on my due diligence and I'm OK with it. 01:18:42
Yeah, I'll chime in there, Brad. We both of us met. 01:18:46
And I think I've stated in public that. 01:18:51
It's the best thing that's happened with that Wis study. 01:18:55
His job descriptions? 01:18:59
And I've if you remember Brad, I. 01:19:01
I asked what is there? 01:19:03
Job description What is it? Michelle Pat. Two in the prosecutor's office Pat. Pat, Do you believe? 01:19:05
Happy. 01:19:10
Are you confused all the acronyms? 01:19:12
So, but then the court staff was less than happy. But they're Patty. 01:19:14
Qualify. 01:19:19
So. 01:19:20
And I've often stated that if we had this job description, if you're a pat beyond care what office you work in, you should make 01:19:21
things out you could work in. Whatever office you work in don't matter. 01:19:26
You're paying for the job, the pet fee. 01:19:31
Or the? 01:19:33
Comments, or whatever they they are to be consistent. 01:19:34
OK. Anything else? 01:19:46
Yeah, Michelle has her. 01:19:49
So. 01:19:51
It was discussed. 01:19:52
With the surveyor to move his. 01:19:54
Party composition to a whole composition. 01:19:56
And he was gonna pay for it. 01:20:00
Over. 01:20:05
It's on the. It's on the agenda for for the upcoming meeting. 01:20:06
So I think. 01:20:10
Through the budget and then. 01:20:11
And. 01:20:14
So I need to know who put her on. 01:20:15
The salary. 01:20:18
Yes. 01:20:21
For next year's. 01:20:22
Right now, she just put it in the budget and put her on the ordinance. 01:20:24
Well. 01:20:29
Closely as possible, and they are on the agenda. 01:20:31
OK. 01:20:35
Yeah, if it doesn't pass on the 16th, then we can modify it. 01:20:38
But I would prepare it right now. 01:20:41
So you would have to approve it effective January 1st. 01:20:50
The adjustment. 01:20:55
It's already in the bank. 01:20:57
Now. 01:20:59
It's not. It's not in the general fund. 01:21:02
But it's. 01:21:06
The. 01:21:09
Once you add that and the benefits, it will be really advertised. 01:21:10
For that. 01:21:15
Ohh for the Cornerstone Fund. Yeah. Ohh for the Cornerstone Fund. OK, that makes sense. OK. 01:21:17
Well, that may not be the only thing that happens because there's there's times in January 1st meeting in January we have to clean 01:21:25
up. 01:21:27
Some things that didn't quite make it into the budget process. 01:21:31
Not going to be reflected in the 1202. 01:21:36
Find some budget adoption. 01:21:41
My opinion is that we need an offer salary. Modify it in January if you add it to the orders at that time. 01:21:44
He had the best. 01:21:52
Ohh, but they're But they're gonna have to pay at that rate before we meet. 01:21:57
So. 01:22:02
If we're going to pay them if we approve this on on Monday. 01:22:03
We're going to modify the salary ordinance to reflect. 01:22:07
What we approved. 01:22:11
But you'll be modified, please. 01:22:12
But what he's saying in 2024, is there a pay period before we meet and she won't get her pay. We'll have to retroactive that then. 01:22:16
Let's just put it on. Why does it have to stay off? 01:22:31
Probably needs to reflect that the correct pay. 01:22:35
For the person, yes, he wants to feel it ASAP. That's why he asked to be on the agenda for make a note that in January we need to 01:22:40
make sure it gets in the budget. 01:22:45
Because we're going to modify an additional appropriation if if it passes, we're going to modify the current salary ordinance and 01:22:50
they're going to start paying. 01:22:54
Right away. 01:22:58
Actually, I think. 01:22:59
There might be. I forget what the request is. It's either right away or maybe a little bit retroactive, I don't know. 01:23:00
You know, and we can do this. So if Danny, we were able to do something with the building authority. 01:23:09
In January we can make. 01:23:15
A. 01:23:18
And the appropriation, the appropriation, and. 01:23:21
You know, we'll save that money. 01:23:25
But we need to do it in the correct order. I don't think we do. 01:23:27
Cut the budget and then do that. 01:23:31
And that. 01:23:34
Where do we end up on the salary or the employee insurance? I never did hear the final. 01:23:35
The commissioners were waiting on some quotes and stuff, but I think did didn't we add like $500,000 to that budget? 01:23:42
Side just was curious where those numbers came out or what it was for healthcare costs for 2024? 01:23:49
3.7 million and we think we're going to be more than that this year. 01:23:57
We're going to be right at 3.7 this year. 01:24:02
You will have it. 01:24:05
Yeah. 01:24:08
And you know, we're going to be self funded next year, so it could be. 01:24:12
Right, right. Trouble yourself. 01:24:17
Yeah. 01:24:20
It could go up or down. 01:24:22
So we discussed earlier other options of getting these budgets down. 01:24:26
Are we gonna look at anything? Any and? 01:24:30
Trying to get. 01:24:33
Some employee benefits down or something to try to get these this deficit down without cutting jobs. 01:24:34
So are we going to look at any of those or do we have control over reducing some of those? So I think it's that we have to get the 01:24:40
commissioners involved in order to do any of that. It's not under our. 01:24:46
Of. 01:24:53
Purview to. 01:24:54
Cut her off. 01:24:58
I guess we could cut them the money. 01:25:01
Associated with her, but we can't. 01:25:04
We can't change the ordinance of 3%. 01:25:08
Well, that's that's where I'm getting at. I mean, if we can't afford it, we don't. If we're running these deficits, what are we 01:25:11
gonna do? So we need to get with the, the, the commissioners and have a meeting to see what we can do. And again, what I would say 01:25:16
is we're too late for 2020. 01:25:21
We're too late to get it in the budget for this year, however, if we can get an agreement within the next three months. 01:25:27
We can always make a the appropriation. 01:25:35
And. 01:25:38
In January. 01:25:40
I mean, I would like to talk about perfect the joint meeting. 01:25:43
Gloria, again, can we put that on the agenda to talk about Perth? 01:25:48
During the joint meeting. 01:25:55
May we look at this insurance they have, I mean it's employee match percentage is really low and then they provide. 01:26:01
Spouse or family benefits that you just don't get out in public. I mean, you pick up that cost yourself. You're trying to cure 01:26:08
your if you. 01:26:12
Trying to carry on, so we're carrying a heavy load here, a lot of benefits we're providing. 01:26:16
And we've talked about getting these salaries up and they're getting pensions. They're already getting equivalent now to. 01:26:22
Other We've done everything we can to get them at affordable rates, and yet we're still providing some benefits. 01:26:29
That public you know. 01:26:34
Other people don't get. 01:26:36
So we gotta really look at that. We're really trying to talk about getting this deficit in line. 01:26:37
So you wanna put healthcare cost, healthcare and again I think it's it's too late, we're having open enrollment right now. 01:26:44
So. 01:26:52
A little late on contributions for. 01:26:54
Healthcare, I think. Or am I right? 01:26:59
But. 01:27:03
We need to have the conversations on an ongoing basis. I do you know because it's A to be continued, we talk about it our joint 01:27:05
meetings. 01:27:09
Push Pause on it. We may do a little research, do a diligence, come back and see what the progress report is. 01:27:13
Because these things. 01:27:18
These complicated topics about insurance, perf and building forwarding others are not going to be solved in one or two meetings. 01:27:20
There's going to have to be a lot of. 01:27:24
You know data and research and things and so I think it's appropriate to. 01:27:28
Keep it under, you know, hold business as you will for these charges. 01:27:34
So we can can we have a a agenda item called benefit and maybe dash births comma there. 01:27:38
Something like that, healthcare. 01:27:45
What is going to call healthcare companies? 01:27:49
Employee compensation. 01:27:53
More than willing to look at those things. 01:27:58
We always seem to get to this point and then want to talk about them and. 01:28:02
It's. 01:28:06
It's like it's like the day. 01:28:08
Addressing those things, but maybe if we start talking about them now, we can be. 01:28:10
Prepared. 01:28:14
For different discussions come next year. 01:28:16
And maybe perks on too, but I don't know. 01:28:21
Anything else? 01:28:27
But those are where the savings are going to come. 01:28:30
Not with, you know. 01:28:33
Taken up. 01:28:35
Make a. 01:28:37
Part time. 01:28:38
Person at 28 hours. There's 25 hours that. 01:28:39
You know. 01:28:42
Michelle or Michelle, are you good? 01:28:44
Is the auditor's office good? 01:28:47
I'll make a motion to adjourn. 01:28:50
2nd. 01:28:51
Motion in a second. All in favor. Say aye, Aye. Thank you, guys. 01:28:52
Yeah. 01:29:17

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We'll call the 6:00 special meeting to order. We'll stand for the pledge. 00:00:13
OK, well, we're here tonight to talk about the 2024 budget and. 00:00:37
Any changes that need to be made to what we currently have? 00:00:44
In the hands of Diana and Gloria. 00:00:51
My goal would be that we can discuss any changes that need to be made. 00:00:55
Get you guys to make those changes. 00:01:01
I know Tim said that we didn't need to have this in Gateway for the adoption. 00:01:04
I would like to have it in Gateway because I think it's just much cleaner. I don't know what you think. 00:01:09
Gloria and Diana. 00:01:16
OK. 00:01:20
Budget. 00:01:22
Need to understand what we're adopting for that, for the 16th so. 00:01:24
Um. 00:01:29
So we'll start with whoever wants to start with anything that we need to bring up as far as changes. 00:01:31
That we might need to make to the current budget. 00:01:38
We need Sir. 00:01:46
Sorry, we need to clarify. 00:01:50
Just. 00:01:53
To be sure, because I know there was discussion on it. 00:01:55
Freezing the Council and Commissioners. 00:01:59
Sorry for this year. 00:02:01
To be the 23 members instead of 24 numbers. 00:02:03
OK. 00:02:07
Do we want to make a motion to? 00:02:08
Go ahead and. 00:02:11
On. 00:02:12
Holder. 00:02:14
Salaries concept or the commissioners and the council. Let's do one at a time. Let's do council yeah. So might want to make that 00:02:15
motion and make a motion that for the 2024 budget the County Council members. 00:02:22
Salaries remain the same as the 2023 budget. 00:02:30
2nd And a second all in favor, say aye, aye, Any opposed motion carries. 00:02:33
OK. 00:02:39
I'll do the same. I'll make a motion that the. 00:02:41
Commissioners. 00:02:45
Salary for the 2024 budget remained the same as the current 2023 budget. 00:02:46
We have a motion. 00:02:52
Do we have a second second? 00:02:55
We have a second. 00:02:57
Do we have discussion? 00:02:58
Yeah, I I just like to to ask is there any reason why? 00:03:00
And I get it. And I'm for freezing our salaries. Is there any reason why that kind of. 00:03:07
I guess. 00:03:14
Kind of. 00:03:18
Is there any reason why we're doing it to the commissioners? 00:03:21
Rather than all elected officials, I guess. Is there any reason why we're? 00:03:24
Singling them out. 00:03:28
Rather than. 00:03:31
All other elected officials. 00:03:33
I don't have any. 00:03:38
No other than. 00:03:41
We are before the public, the Commissioners are before the public. 00:03:43
Quite often. 00:03:46
We make a lot of decisions and I can. 00:03:47
Assure you, Nanny. 00:03:51
5% of us. 00:03:53
If not 100, we don't do this for the money. 00:03:54
Right. It's a service to the community. 00:03:58
You know. 00:04:01
I just feel like we can set the example to the employees. 00:04:02
If we're gonna. 00:04:06
Give the raises, you know the 3% COLA because last year we discussed it may not be 3%. 00:04:07
It may only be a percent. 00:04:13
Or two or 1 1/2 or whatever. 00:04:14
I think that shows to. 00:04:17
The community and to. 00:04:20
Our government employees that, hey, we're willing to take. 00:04:23
A freeze this year I I just think it looks. 00:04:26
Looks good that we're setting an example. 00:04:29
Yeah. 00:04:31
I think we should set that example. 00:04:33
Because we do have to make cuts. 00:04:36
I I was just wondering cause it looked like the information that we received. 00:04:39
Maybe this week. 00:04:44
From Commissioner Shawn Berger that they were a little. 00:04:45
Lower. 00:04:50
Than what? The average? 00:04:51
Was. 00:04:53
A lot of people surrounding us. 00:04:55
I think we had the three. 00:04:58
Say they were OK with the freeze. 00:05:01
Jason said he was, Because I'm natural. 00:05:06
I I kind of hedge. 00:05:08
Yeah. 00:05:11
Think so. 00:05:12
I'm fine with it. 00:05:21
I'm trying to see. 00:05:28
But I went back on. 00:05:30
WIF. 00:05:33
I went back on a salary ordinance. 00:05:35
Anthony, you're correct. 00:05:37
Is that the commissioner's salary is about 32. 00:05:39
I think below. 00:05:43
The mainstream and I think the council is. 00:05:46
Well. 00:05:51
So we're 3000 bucks. So you're up here and we're down here. 00:05:51
You know, and so you might continue. This isn't just for me, it's it's for it's for future commissioners. 00:05:55
We talked about how over the years sales have not been brought up well because you haven't given given it covers. 00:06:02
And I think I did a calculation, I think it would take like five years. 00:06:09
To get the commissions up to mid. 00:06:12
With a with a a 3% core, you know. 00:06:14
You're talking about, I think for the commissioners, it's like. 00:06:18
15 I think we're in 2000 from like that. 00:06:22
You know, for the Council of 27, come on, total of of what five, $6000? But again, that's your decision. You know, I laid out the 00:06:26
facts. I'll let you guys decide how you want to cut it, dice it, interpret it, or whatever you want to be. Thank you. 00:06:35
I pulled up the e-mail. 00:06:46
From UH. 00:06:48
Commissioner Sharpen. 00:06:50
He did say he was OK with the color, but he did have two questions. 00:06:51
One of them was the savings. 00:06:55
If they didn't receive the. 00:06:56
Cool. And what would the savings be and does anybody know that? 00:06:59
And then how the how would the council utilize that savings? 00:07:04
Other than that. 00:07:10
Doesn't matter what the savings is. 00:07:13
Permission. 00:07:16
What? I'm sorry. 00:07:18
By 2000 it was on your e-mail, right John? It was 2000 apiece or something? 00:07:21
Yeah, 5242. 00:07:32
Yeah. 00:07:34
The additional portion. 00:07:39
Councilman Terrance question concerning the other elected officials. 00:07:42
Our chief deputy salaries are tied to ours. 00:07:46
So the people who run our offices. 00:07:50
Would not. 00:07:54
I understand. I I just couldn't and and. 00:07:59
I was just getting the slide. 00:08:02
Because she knows. 00:08:08
Jackie, chief deputies in our offices, their salaries are type cars. They get 85% of whatever our. I understand and and thank you 00:08:09
and I respect that. 00:08:14
But I also know that we just did a salary study as well. 00:08:19
Which we're trying to keep everybody in line and I think that one thing that we need to understand is that. 00:08:23
We're not talking about the salary for the person. 00:08:30
We're talking about the salary for the position. 00:08:34
OK, well we have a motion. 00:08:39
And a second to hold the commissioners. 00:08:43
Salary. 00:08:47
On. 00:08:48
For 2024 the same as 2023. 00:08:50
All in favor, say aye, aye, aye. 00:08:54
Raise your hand, please. 00:08:58
Yeah, 4. 00:09:01
All of all of those. 00:09:03
OK. 00:09:06
Uh, it passes. 00:09:09
But it will be held. 00:09:11
OK. 00:09:14
124 hours will be the same as 20/23 for commissioners. 00:09:15
OK. 00:09:20
Um. 00:09:21
We it's OK. Do we have anything else we need to talk about? 00:09:23
Yes, OK. 00:09:28
Did we ever come to an agreement on whether we're taking the EMA to from part time to full time? 00:09:31
The Emma. 00:09:41
The deputy director said. 00:09:43
But we were talking about, yeah, we have a deputy director. 00:09:45
Proposed. 00:09:49
Hello. 00:09:51
Anybody wanna? 00:09:53
Give the scenario here. 00:09:55
Yeah, I mean, he's part time he's making. 00:09:57
Thing was. 00:10:00
10. 00:10:01
10. 00:10:02
Was it 10 hours per pay period? 00:10:03
11 hours per paycheck. 00:10:07
And there's a reimbursement. 00:10:13
Part of that as well. 00:10:16
I think it came out to less than $20,000. 00:10:18
To take them full time. 00:10:21
Department can be reimbursed. 00:10:26
Not. 00:10:31
Yeah. 00:10:37
Are we already getting the full 55,000 reimbursement? 00:10:41
According to Tammy. 00:10:46
Here. And yes, she applies for all the following. 00:10:49
Spring second quarter next year? 00:10:55
So we are receiving the 75. 00:11:00
Or 55, I'm sorry, 55? 00:11:04
Already. 00:11:07
Fantastic. 00:11:09
So if we. 00:11:12
Take them from part time to full time working on. 00:11:14
Acquire the rest of that salary. Is there something in between that we can do? 00:11:17
Where we can. 00:11:23
Make him a qualified part time person. 00:11:25
But not giving full time position. So in other words don't limit his time. 00:11:28
To five hours of a week. 00:11:34
He's just following me, right? Right, actually. 00:11:39
I believe Kent made a compelling argument that he should be full time because. 00:11:45
As Michelle has stated, there's work. 00:11:50
Like we had a major storm. 00:11:53
While active. 00:11:55
All hands on deck when that windstorm was here. 00:11:57
And then things we don't even know about when there's a. 00:12:00
Fuel spill on the Interstate, EMA is always involved in that kind of stuff. 00:12:03
And honestly, I think Kent made a pretty compelling argument that he should be full time rather than. 00:12:08
Part time and volunteering. 00:12:14
Hours all the time. 00:12:16
So Dale, I completely think you made a very compelling and I and I actually talked with what's the guy's name. 00:12:18
Chase. 00:12:26
He he says he's working. 00:12:30
3040 out. He's working 40 hours a week anyway. 00:12:33
Um. 00:12:37
I, I and I would love to get to get him for full time position, but I think maybe what we can do is transition into that and maybe 00:12:40
give them a 25 hour or 30 hour Max. 00:12:46
Uh, this year and get him to a full time position. Maybe next year. 00:12:52
Go ahead. 00:12:58
28 So 20 What is it 20? 00:13:02
2828, thank you. I'm glad you're here. 00:13:06
What would everybody think about something like that? 00:13:10
Why is he limited just side the budget? 00:13:17
Just five. Yeah. OK. 00:13:21
But now? 00:13:25
The tracking. 00:13:29
It would be an additional 26,000. 00:13:33
But they're getting the 55 anyway, right? 00:13:39
6000. 00:13:47
Invite me spending that much just to put in part time, right or no? 00:13:48
Benefits. 00:13:54
And and I think I'm missing something. 00:13:57
So we're already getting the 55. 00:14:00
This year, and he's not. 00:14:03
We're not getting any additional savings by making them. 00:14:06
No. 00:14:10
No, we're not right. 00:14:11
No, because the Max is 55 and we're already getting it. So if we. 00:14:14
Change them from part time to full time we inherit. 00:14:18
Every bit of that additional salary. 00:14:21
That that you're saying the same thing. 00:14:24
That's what I'm saying. You're right. 00:14:26
OK. Is it, is it based on the fact that we is 55,000 based on the fact that we have two positions that are full time? 00:14:28
Is it based on any full time positions? 00:14:35
Of the brain. 00:14:39
She can't ask for more. 00:14:41
What? 00:14:42
I don't. I don't know if she could or couldn't. 00:14:45
Is she as if the office is adding additional full time help? Maybe they can. 00:14:47
Ask for an increase. I don't know the answer to that. 00:14:53
Can't make no sense. 00:15:01
I just think we've just had the discussion a minute ago about how this budget deficit continues to. 00:15:03
Go up and we gotta stop the bleeding. And yet, here we go again. Where? Where? When do we say no? 00:15:09
That's that's what I'm asking When, when is that cut off her? 00:15:16
Because this budget is going to deficit, is going to continue. 00:15:20
To grow every time we do something like this. 00:15:23
And I'm gonna. 00:15:31
Add to that is that. 00:15:32
A lot of people do. I mean, we have volunteers in the M department. 00:15:37
So I know you know are are we just gonna say we don't want volunteers for the county? 00:15:42
Anymore at all? 00:15:49
I think there's people that like to volunteer. 00:15:52
So. 00:15:56
You know if he doesn't, I don't know if he doesn't want to. 00:15:58
Do the 30 hours. 00:16:02
Then maybe we can find somebody who wants to volunteer part of their time and get paid part of their time. 00:16:04
Just saying. 00:16:09
True. 00:16:15
I'm going to make a motion that we give them a part time position. 00:16:16
Up to the 28 hours. 00:16:22
At. 00:16:25
At the. 00:16:26
Part time, we just add the part time rate that. 00:16:27
He's 4 for four now for 3% comma. 00:16:30
So. 00:16:33
The hourly rate. 00:16:34
OK. 00:16:37
33,170. 00:16:43
33,000 and he's already. 00:16:46
Making. 00:16:50
10,000. 00:16:51
You're doubling his pay. 00:16:53
More than. 00:16:54
Right, more than that. OK. So it's 23. 00:16:56
OK, that's one motion. 00:17:00
Is there a second? 00:17:05
No, OK, it dies for like a second. 00:17:09
I I guess I need to clarify. 00:17:14
Are we making a recommendation for the budget? 00:17:17
It was that the motion was to make a recommendation for the budget, yes, to include this. 00:17:20
Yes, right now it includes the full. 00:17:25
The full time position. Is that correct? 00:17:27
Current budget provides for full time. I'd like to make a motion that we move that to part time. 00:17:31
2nd. 00:17:36
OK, OK. That's the same motion I made. 00:17:37
Clarification on the on the part time part time. How many hours, How many hours? 11 hours he's getting paid now. 00:17:41
Correct, sorry. 00:17:47
So no change correct. Ohh. 00:17:49
So you want to limit his part time to Lebanon? 00:17:52
As it is in 2023. 00:17:56
6600. 00:18:03
OK, that's a motion and a second on the table. 00:18:06
All in favor, Say aye, Aye. 00:18:08
Raise your hand. 00:18:12
3. 00:18:13
The motion does not carried. 00:18:14
You need to carry it. 00:18:17
Full circle. 00:18:18
Ohh, is there any opposed? 00:18:20
Sorry. 00:18:22
What's yours? 00:18:25
Not thank you. 00:18:27
OK. So what it's currently in there at full time. We're going to leave it there. 00:18:31
OK. Let's clarify the full time that's in there. 00:18:37
No. 00:18:41
I'm not OK with that. 00:18:42
I'm not OK with that. 00:18:45
Are we talking? 00:18:47
A 40 hour salary or a 28 hour salary? How much is in the budget right now? 00:18:48
So what's in the budget is in the air. So unless we heard back from Wis and I don't. 00:18:55
Have we heard back from Wis? 00:19:02
Musician. 00:19:06
Well, I wanted to. 00:19:11
See whether or not the because we've been working on budget and salary ordinance. 00:19:13
Nothing. 00:19:19
So I wanted to see whether or not. 00:19:19
It has been adjusted to reflect WRS recommendation yet or if that's something we're still waiting. 00:19:21
Position. 00:19:30
OK. 00:19:32
But he's doing work that he's currently not being paid for, correct? 00:19:42
So that can't really be his position because he's doing something. 00:19:46
He's volunteering partition. He's asking for. 00:19:49
That's the position they're asking for. 00:19:52
So then I'll make another motion. 00:19:58
To go from 11 to 15 hours second. 00:20:03
We have a motion in a second. 00:20:06
Raise your hand on paper. Say aye. 00:20:09
The College. 00:20:13
Then. 00:20:16
Somebody please make a motion. 00:20:17
Of what you all want. Obviously you want this guy to have benefits. 00:20:19
No, I made a motion for 28 hours. That's benefits. Yeah, 28 hours. 28 hours is $20. 00:20:22
If you go to 30, it's benefits. 00:20:31
The county handbook limits people part time. 00:20:33
28 hours a week. 00:20:36
No benefits. 00:20:38
Is that county specific? 00:20:39
Yes. 00:20:42
30%. 00:20:44
I don't think this country specific. I think that is a. 00:20:46
I think that's federal losses. 00:20:52
28 This is part time. 00:20:55
Yeah. 00:20:58
So the county handbook was 28th. 00:21:00
Can we find somewhere between the 15 and 28th that everybody can agree with? 00:21:03
20. 00:21:13
Instead of doing 42 motions. 00:21:15
Dale, what's your limit 28? 00:21:21
25 How about that with the option here? 00:21:25
That's what it seems like, yes. 00:21:28
I move we. 00:21:32
Make it part time salary of 25 hour maximum. 00:21:33
OK, we have a motion. 00:21:39
Do we have a check? 00:21:41
I'll second it. 00:21:44
Have a motion and a second. 00:21:46
So any discussion? 00:21:48
I just have a question. Are we just talking about this position in general? Is that what we're just one, just one position? 00:21:50
And so we're competing. 00:21:59
Hello, we're taking this pay from 11 hours a week to 25 hours a week. 00:22:02
Is that right? 00:22:06
If there's 25 hours, we would work the work to do. 00:22:08
Sure. Yeah, he works it. 00:22:11
What about those? Do you have something inside? Yeah, sorry. 00:22:18
Another officer. 00:22:25
One person. 00:22:27
Talk about the. 00:22:28
You know. 00:22:31
Thank you. 00:22:33
Just thought. 00:22:37
I think what we're trying to combat here, Steven. 00:22:42
And and maybe I'm not interpreting what you're saying correctly is. 00:22:45
That. 00:22:50
We have creep. 00:22:51
And it's this type of thing. 00:22:53
And then next year it's gonna be. 00:22:55
He worked 28 hours a week but he volunteered another 12 and now we want to make him full time. 00:22:57
Benefits 40 hours. Ohh And by the way, he's deputy and so he's going to be, you know, 85% of my salary. 00:23:02
And. 00:23:09
We keep coming back to this and. 00:23:10
We had a discussion of. 00:23:13
Even our our chairwoman said we're going to do a combination of raising revenue and cutting. 00:23:16
You you got to tap the brakes before you can stop. 00:23:22
You know you can't. 00:23:26
Push down on the gas pedal. 00:23:28
And come to a stop so. 00:23:30
I see what you're saying about. 00:23:33
28 or less. 00:23:34
And but where does the? Where do we end this? Sorry and you're fine. 00:23:36
Stop. 00:23:43
And and you know and and I respect. 00:23:47
Yeah. 00:23:49
Where Councilman Short. 00:23:50
Just said. 00:23:52
But, but I also think that we need to take into consideration. 00:23:53
Of the fact, the mere fact, the reason why he is working. 00:23:57
And that's because. 00:24:01
Emergency situations have risen in this county. 00:24:03
And I think that Kent Morrow told us. 00:24:07
When he was here before us, before budget time that those situations. 00:24:11
Have have risen. 00:24:17
He's seeing a an increase. 00:24:19
And that he was very grateful to have. 00:24:21
The young man in that position because I mean and. 00:24:24
The young man is working. 00:24:29
To keep us in our community safe. 00:24:30
And I think that needs to be taken into consideration. 00:24:32
Emergency prepared so we have a motion and a second. 00:24:37
For 25 hours. 00:24:41
All in favor, Say aye, Aye. 00:24:47
You have one. 00:24:50
Sorry. 00:24:52
On to. 00:24:53
20. 00:24:55
So you seconded the motion that you're not gonna move on. 00:24:56
I don't want to change from 11. 00:25:00
I was just seconded it to get somewhere. 00:25:03
Because obviously you aren't going to 2nd it because you all want 28. 00:25:06
We finished the requiem. OK, we have. 00:25:11
Raise your hand for all favor Say aye. 00:25:15
OK, we have 1/2. 00:25:18
2. 00:25:20
OK, all in. Not, not in favor. Raise your hands. 00:25:21
OK. 00:25:26
So. 00:25:28
Studies. 00:25:32
Can we? 00:25:33
I'm gonna make my motion again. 00:25:34
One more time and this. I think it's in this thing. 00:25:36
I I say we make him part time up to the 28th. 00:25:41
Hours of my motion is make him part time up to 28 hours part time. 00:25:46
Person. 00:25:52
And. 00:25:55
That's how much? 00:25:56
All in favor or we can decide. 00:25:59
Fashion. 00:26:01
We have a second. 00:26:03
No, OK. 00:26:06
Wait fails again, so I guess it stays in The thing is full time. 00:26:08
Everyone. 00:26:14
I don't think we need to move on from this or we're not going to pass a budget next Monday, so we need to really. 00:26:17
We need to get this right now. 00:26:23
What do you mean? 00:26:26
If we can't agree on one position at an hourly. 00:26:28
Number of hours. 00:26:32
That's absolutely going to affect my decision on Monday of whether I support this budget or not, so. 00:26:35
OK. 00:26:45
Guys this is how the process works. This is. 00:26:46
This is the compromise part that nobody wants to do. 00:26:48
OK. 00:26:52
I know we want to rush on from this, but that's not. 00:26:54
What this is about? We need to get this right. 00:26:57
So the current budget is salary for that position. 00:27:01
$48,576 if you add on her. 00:27:04
And fight that. 00:27:10
That's 57295. So that's a real number that doesn't include what the county portion for. 00:27:12
Health insurance. Maybe eating that. Don't know what type of health insurance will last. 00:27:19
That helps you work your numbers a little bit better. But what's in the current 2024 budget 48. 00:27:25
And what was in 2023 budget was 23 or 7 hours a week at 26,650. 00:27:34
OK. 00:27:43
In 2023 he works 5 hours a week. 00:27:48
He got paid, getting paid 5 hours away. 00:27:51
We weren't 30 to 40 hours a week, but he got paid for five hours. I make a motion for 15 hours. 00:27:55
Sex triple. 00:28:01
Triple 2023. 00:28:03
Motion in a second. 00:28:06
All in favor, Raise your hands. Yeah. 00:28:09
Yeah. 00:28:13
OK, he's eventually gonna have to come all. 00:28:16
You understand that? 00:28:19
No, I don't. 00:28:20
I don't. 00:28:22
All this, All that. 00:28:23
Stock price today. 00:28:26
OK. 00:28:28
Well, that was. 00:28:29
OK, motion carries 15 hours a week. 00:28:31
OK, you remain in the part time 15 hours a week. 00:28:33
It's the greatest day remaining, 2023, or 20%. 00:28:38
Today, the same days in the same. 00:28:44
Because you. 00:28:48
Part time. 00:28:49
I don't know what Wis say on that. 00:28:50
And then? 00:28:53
So, I mean, it's up to you guys. 00:28:57
Percent. 00:28:59
Is it true that he's the only one that drives the command center? Yeah. 00:29:01
This is the one that drives the command center. 00:29:08
That. 00:29:11
The other thing too is. 00:29:14
Volunteering work. It's hard. 00:29:17
Doing the work. 00:29:20
For that. 00:29:24
There's other people that are licensed. 00:29:27
And OK to drive that command center correct. 00:29:29
Working. 00:29:38
Given that information. 00:29:45
So he. 00:29:47
Volunteer. 00:29:50
And if they get hurt? 00:29:51
Then their medical. 00:29:53
OK, we moved on. 00:29:57
15 hours. 00:29:59
OK. 00:30:00
Anybody else have anything that really tough that? 00:30:03
I wanted to bring up building Authority. 00:30:07
I've talked with a couple of Commissioners and. 00:30:10
Mr. Combs. 00:30:15
Over the last. 00:30:17
Couple days and. 00:30:19
That's the research on. 00:30:23
Property maintenance rates. 00:30:27
The salary and benefits right now for Billing Authority, $600,000. 00:30:30
$600,000. 00:30:36
The There's not a whole lot we can do about the utilities. 00:30:40
Right now. 00:30:43
Because of the the shape that the. 00:30:44
Mechanics are in. 00:30:46
I would still like to see. 00:30:48
Some breakdown of these. 00:30:50
Utility cost because. 00:30:53
$90,000. 00:30:55
A year for sewer scenes? 00:30:57
Saint $100 a month seems excessive to me. 00:31:01
I would, I would love to see some some data on that. 00:31:04
But. 00:31:08
The current. 00:31:10
Rates for commercial buildings for. 00:31:11
Property Maintenance. 00:31:14
Is about $1.75 a square foot? 00:31:16
Um. 00:31:19
Man, we could pay $4.00 a square foot and and save $200,000 a year. 00:31:21
If we're looking for cuts. 00:31:30
If we're looking. 00:31:32
For $200,000 to $300,000. 00:31:34
This could be subbed out. 00:31:38
And and help us to get to where we need to be. 00:31:43
In short order where we're looking. 00:31:47
If if we potentially do something with a new or rehabbed building. 00:31:50
We are heavily leaning toward the bot process anyway. 00:31:57
So. 00:32:00
Um. 00:32:01
It's coming. 00:32:04
But $600,000 a year in salaries and benefits? 00:32:07
4. 00:32:11
Like it's maybe. 00:32:13
11 people. 00:32:15
Do you have do you have the budget in front of you? I do. 00:32:17
Is there building security on there? 00:32:20
Yes, yes, there is. It is. 00:32:23
Yeah, No. 00:32:29
No, it's not. It's not. 00:32:32
I'm starting to think. 00:32:35
I didn't get any. I didn't get any answers back on the. 00:32:39
The service contracts either at. 00:32:43
$256,000 but. 00:32:45
Umm. 00:32:48
Yeah, it's in here somewhere. 00:32:51
Seemed like it was. 00:32:53
OK, so how do we go about doing this then? 00:32:59
You've suggested this a couple times, but. 00:33:02
We're now further along than we were, you know, six months ago. Well, this is. So how do we, how do we make this happen? Great 00:33:04
idea, love it, but let's make it happen. 00:33:09
Then you then you fund it at a level. 00:33:15
That it has to happen. That's the only way to do it. You can ask the commissioners to do it. 00:33:17
You can ask them to go out and find a company to do this work. 00:33:22
To save our county taxpayers. 00:33:26
Several $100,000. 00:33:30
But if there's no. 00:33:32
Inkling to do that. 00:33:35
Then. 00:33:38
But don't you think we should work together? Absolutely do. 00:33:40
Absolutely. Watching it and say let's work together to find a better solution and save some money here. Have we done that? 00:33:43
It hasn't happened. Denny's been asking and no one's. 00:33:52
Willing to participate. So what else do you do at this point? 00:33:56
I've heard you've been saying it for several means. I've heard him saying that even before I got on the Council and some of the 00:34:01
meetings. Did you get a quote from somebody that can do it and present it to the commissioners? 00:34:06
Hi. 00:34:13
I I can do that, yeah. 00:34:14
Come on. 00:34:19
If you want, we have lost our way of understanding. 00:34:21
That we hold the purse strings to this county. We have not lost our way. 00:34:25
We we, we accept budgets. 00:34:29
On their face without asking these questions. 00:34:32
Because it only went up 3% from last year. 00:34:36
That's not even true. Danny, did you ask any questions about the building authority budget when it was presented? I did not, 00:34:39
because you've been talking about it all year long. I yeah, I'm trying to get some traction. 00:34:45
You didn't do anything about it, John. Are you willing to look into this with me? 00:34:51
Together. 00:34:56
I You were my next phone call. 00:34:57
Ohh, is that the commission's purview anywhere that's building, sorry purview. 00:35:02
Well, they have that that muddy water right there. 00:35:07
Like the building authority is gonna check themselves. 00:35:11
It is absolutely in the Commissioners purview. 00:35:15
Absolutely. Gotta get a quote and you gotta present the the options. You can't just sit here and talk about. 00:35:18
So not only just sit here and talk about it for two for six months. 00:35:24
So now not only do we. 00:35:29
Do the financials, we now have to go out and get the bids. 00:35:31
We have to. That's not our position. We have to present options. If we think there are options, we need to be presenting them. 00:35:35
That's my opinion. 00:35:42
Just like. 00:35:44
Throw something out. 00:35:45
I did the research on what the going rate is. 00:35:48
For commercial property maintenance. 00:35:52
I calculated what the savings will be. 00:35:56
But you can't just like I've got it to the five yard line. Somebody please take it over the goal line. 00:36:00
That's not to the five yard line, that's to the. 00:36:06
Not even took a 50%. 00:36:10
Whatever you call it. 00:36:13
It's crazy, Danny. 00:36:15
You haven't done your homework. 00:36:17
Ohh, I've absolutely done my homework. 00:36:19
So what's that dollar savings again, Danny? Roughly $1000 range? 00:36:22
So that's a conservative estimate. So if we went conservative and cut 200,000 from the budget. 00:36:26
Make it easily get that and then we can. 00:36:32
Resurrect this next year and get more details and maybe cut further that possible. What are they gonna do? Fire their janitors? 00:36:34
Fire their? 00:36:39
Ohh Steve, did you fire the food workers or did they find a way to transition over? 00:36:44
Absolutely. Mr. Short, can I ask, you said you've spoken with Mr. Coombs. Did he have anything to say? He's the president he 00:36:50
presented me with with budgets and was he's promised to give me some more paperwork? 00:36:57
Um. 00:37:05
On a utility breakdowns. 00:37:06
And some different things. I think there's a little bit of confusion. There's some bleed over into. 00:37:08
Um. 00:37:14
The janitors cleaning sheriff's offices but not the jail area. 00:37:15
And then does the building authority pay those utilities or is that come out of the separate pot so? 00:37:19
What? What's he open to that? 00:37:25
In my opinion, they're. I'm sorry, what'd you do? I was just asking if he was, if Mr. Combs was OK. 00:37:27
I don't think. 00:37:34
I didn't nail him down on a yes or no if he's. 00:37:37
Ready to give that up? 00:37:39
Um, which I don't think anybody in his position would. 00:37:41
Be wise to say they are. 00:37:45
Um. 00:37:46
But. 00:37:48
We. 00:37:53
We're not going to get there. 00:37:54
Bye. 00:37:55
Not getting creative with how we. 00:37:58
Run this county. 00:38:00
We need to have a meeting and. 00:38:02
With the Commissioners, with the building authority and with us and say we need to do something about this. 00:38:05
Let's look at options. We know this company maybe can come in and do this this one. 00:38:11
You know, and and and that kind of thing needs to happen before you just go and you cut the budget and we don't have janitors come 00:38:17
up. 00:38:22
I'm getting there one, John, you know what the administrative coordinator does. 00:38:27
Who is that? 00:38:34
Writing down. 00:38:37
3. 00:38:39
All that. 00:38:42
It's 48. Forty, $6000 a year, plus movement. 00:38:45
I say I'm not disagreeing with you that we need to look at this. I completely think we do. 00:38:49
I just placed the bone about it in a very dysfunctional way. 00:38:56
Very good function. 00:39:01
And if that's the way we want to operate, change on us is what I'm saying. 00:39:03
What if we just go slicing people who budget without giving them proper notice for ability? 00:39:08
To come in and present. 00:39:15
What's going on? 00:39:18
That's not OK with me. I'm sorry. 00:39:20
This is not. 00:39:22
I don't have enough data to make a a decision. There needs to be some hard data on. 00:39:26
What it would cost if we you know what what? 00:39:31
What it would do to cut just $200,000 arbitrarily, you know, it's just it's A and we can pass a budget and then come back and and 00:39:34
if we get a plan in place we can unappropriate we can always do that. 00:39:40
And I'm more than willing to do that, More than willing to inappropriate times. We need to have a plan. We can't just start 00:39:48
cutting cut plan. Do we know where this is being paid for out of? 00:39:53
Send it. 00:40:00
It's not even out yet. 00:40:01
Ohh actually free up other money. 00:40:03
Look at that. But I'm just saying it's not out of town. 00:40:07
Well, actually though, just make comment to the sheriff. 00:40:11
Is that? 00:40:14
It went. 00:40:16
Previously it went to a private contractor. 00:40:18
And you brought it back in house, just the opposite of what we're talking about here. 00:40:20
Pause. 00:40:25
In previous administration. 00:40:26
Subject. 00:40:28
Pitching more to a private contractor, right? 00:40:29
Yeah, but then you brought it back in house. 00:40:33
Which is actually absolutely. 00:40:36
Opposite of what we're proposing. 00:40:38
Is taken out of house and taken. 00:40:41
Out. 00:40:44
And I mean, and then it in your case it worked out better to bring you back in house. 00:40:45
And we did exactly what you're talking about. We took an overall look at the cost of rising costs an outside source company 00:40:50
providing not only in foods. 00:40:55
Salaries and the benefits to the employees. 00:41:00
Compare that against bringing the employees on independently found another resource for generating the food. 00:41:02
Realize that there's physical savings. 00:41:09
Yeah. 00:41:11
Going to going that course of action. 00:41:13
Quiet. 00:41:16
Saving counting. 00:41:16
A couple of dollars moving in that direction. 00:41:18
So we applied good fiscal responsibility at least. 00:41:21
Then we put it together. 00:41:24
Is that there's a cost savings in this Ave. versus continuing down this path? 00:41:25
Well, to be clear. 00:41:31
Then, Danny, I'm I'm all for privatizing anything. 00:41:33
Grab ties. 00:41:37
In general. 00:41:38
I just. I feel like. 00:41:39
The the private industry can. 00:41:42
Do think more efficiently and. 00:41:45
More cost effective than. 00:41:47
Haven't known employees like for example cleaning staff and that. 00:41:49
And then? 00:41:54
Then what that budget is that include the? 00:41:55
What used to be the hasty mechanical team that was down there every day. 00:42:00
There's 256,000 in there for contractual services, so I'm sure. 00:42:04
Yeah, OK. But generally, I'm in favor of privatizing when we can, if it's if it's a safe. 00:42:08
But if. 00:42:14
And if that's if that would be a savings? 00:42:16
However you gotta look at. Are you gonna get the same? I guess some. 00:42:18
Are you gonna get the same results? 00:42:23
If you have. 00:42:26
Where you control your own employees versus having a private company come in. 00:42:28
I I. 00:42:32
Is there a motion to be made here? 00:42:35
OK. 00:42:39
I was just curious though, like in the Commissioner when we said this is edit fun. 00:42:40
In the commissioners budget building office and space room for 350,000, does that go to them? I'm not, I'm don't understand this. 00:42:45
I'm just asking questions. Is that? 00:42:51
Go I'm good to see thority I. 00:42:56
I think part of it is in there, but I think that might be. 00:42:59
Something to do with the jail, is it? 00:43:04
So the question. 00:43:06
I'm talking about the Commissioner. I know budget for building an office space rents 350,000. 00:43:08
We'd have to ask on for sure, but I think I just. I'm curious. I don't know. I think the majority of this comes out of the edit 00:43:15
fund, but I did see that too. 00:43:20
Solution. But I mean we cut the budget and that means maybe. 00:43:26
We could cut that budget too and. 00:43:30
The domino flow here. 00:43:33
Because then that would hit our general fund. 00:43:34
Umm. 00:43:38
Yeah, I I do think maybe that part is part of the total $1.5 million or whatever this is. Well, then it could hit the general 00:43:42
fund. 00:43:46
1000 cuts not saying how it's going to be done. Then say if we did, then I suggest that we we we do. 00:43:51
Move forward with this idea, then. I think it's a good idea, but I don't think we're at a position where we can make any 00:43:59
decisions. 00:44:02
I would suggest we. 00:44:06
Get a meeting together with the commissioners and with the building authority and let's talk about. 00:44:09
How do you move forward with your idea? 00:44:15
You want me to orchestrate that? 00:44:20
Or do you want to orchestrate that? 00:44:22
No, I'll, I'll just. 00:44:24
Stay on my. 00:44:25
Fact finding mission and just report what I find and I'm going to set up a meeting it's it's we need to set up a meeting to see 00:44:27
what this kind of. 00:44:31
We already have a glory. 00:44:36
Put that onto the agenda, please put that the building authority onto the agenda. Thank you. 00:44:40
4th yes. 00:44:48
And can we invite Aaron to that as well? 00:44:50
Thank you. 00:44:53
OK, I have one more question about this budget. 00:44:56
So. 00:45:00
After lab last budget discussion and what have you, we got a copy of the salary ordinance, but the salary ordinance doesn't match. 00:45:01
Just. 00:45:09
Budget. 00:45:10
I think they're working on making sure it does. 00:45:13
Right. 00:45:16
Yeah, what? What way is? Does it not match? 00:45:18
Work today. 00:45:23
This. 00:45:25
And then there was a big questions which. 00:45:28
You have made those changes. 00:45:30
But or do you have specific examples? I do OK. 00:45:33
Prosecutor's office chief investigator. 00:45:38
On the salary ordinance that we just got. 00:45:42
Which? Which one? 00:45:46
Yeah, sure. 00:45:49
Computer OK. 00:45:51
Chief Investigator. 00:45:55
Per the 2023 budget, numbers make 63 to 50, however. 00:45:59
It's saying 54724. 00:46:06
For the. 00:46:10
24 salaries. 00:46:12
And. 00:46:14
That was. 00:46:15
We started with 2023. We went to. 00:46:17
3. 00:46:21
2024 and then going back. 00:46:23
The lines didn't line up. 00:46:26
And I. 00:46:29
That's it. 00:46:33
So that one has been fixed. 00:46:36
Is there another one? 00:46:38
Well, some of the longevity was I guess confused on their theirs as well. 00:46:40
So we need to make sure that those are correct. 00:46:47
OK. 00:46:52
OK. I just want to make sure that what I'm looking at not right. 00:46:54
The plan is we're gonna make any adjustments or combine any adjustments and tomorrow after this meeting, whenever it's decided. 00:46:58
We'll be sending out an updated budget as well as the updated salary ordinance to pass that budget so that everybody has updated 00:47:05
information. 00:47:10
To look at and compare. 00:47:15
In preparation for adoption. 00:47:17
Get back any questions. 00:47:21
And you'll also get that to town so that he can get it forward. 00:47:25
Based on. 00:47:30
What we come up with, correct? 00:47:31
OK, for instance. 00:47:34
The information that we sent out tomorrow, that kind of stuff. Thank you. 00:47:37
Michelle and I are looking to prosecutors. 00:47:43
And hearing that, that conversation. 00:47:46
Are they getting the picture sent? Are they? 00:47:49
The prosecutor. 00:47:53
There are a few positions that did not meet the external mic that we questioned at budget hearing whether or not they've still got 00:47:56
3%. 00:48:01
And the. 00:48:07
The response we got from the council was that if they hadn't met the external medicine yet. 00:48:08
At the time of that meeting there were 11 reflecting on the salary and budget. 00:48:14
Orders that had been given. 00:48:20
It's an increase, but after we all went back through it, some adjustments were made. So really our our question is. 00:48:23
Are those individuals getting that 3% or is the entire prosecutors office and child support office is being frozen in 2023? We 00:48:31
need to know that. 00:48:35
For budget purposes, for salary ordinance purposes, so that we can send out most accurate information to people tomorrow because 00:48:40
we've gotten. 00:48:44
Kind of mix information at this point, What's in there, what's in there right now? 00:48:48
Everybody's black. 00:48:54
What? What was reflected in the budget? 00:48:57
What positions qualify? 00:49:00
They were actually. 00:49:02
4:00. 00:49:05
There were four that were under the external mic, correct? Yeah, actually one. There is one. 00:49:08
Take care of that with our new paralegal position. 00:49:14
It shows the 3%. 00:49:18
On this, but then everybody elses doesn't. 00:49:20
Changed even though. 00:49:24
Five of the OR. 00:49:26
Yeah, five of the prosecutors. 00:49:28
They would qualify, yeah. 00:49:31
So only five, only 5. 00:49:35
So I fixed positions that are not. 00:49:37
Add external with the the paralegal she just talked about, well it's changed on here. It shows they added the 3%. 00:49:41
You just were asking for clarification about these five positions. 00:49:49
Do they get? 00:49:53
And or are we freezing them at 2023 isn't the SO positions yeah. 00:49:55
So what's the paralegal So. 00:50:01
No, the paralegal is. 00:50:04
It doesn't even have. 00:50:06
What is a paralegal? Is it A Pat B Pat A? 00:50:08
Normally. 00:50:12
Might be, yeah. What is the, what is the salary for that? Well, I know it's normally it's the 50,600, but on this one, because 00:50:14
it's a third paralegal, we got that. It was vacant last year or I guess this year it was 46 something, 46, five and then yeah, 00:50:21
they pulled it up to 47. 00:50:29
I'm sorry. 00:50:38
4775 is what we pulled up to. 00:50:41
At 5600. 00:50:46
50,600 so this, this open paralegal spot that hasn't been filled. 00:50:48
Went up to 420244775 even though it could, in essence. 00:50:55
50,600 They didn't take it all the way up there. 00:51:02
So our question is. 00:51:06
4 prosecutors 55. 00:51:09
Are they? 00:51:13
To get this increase or or are they to be frozen at 2023, That's the only questions you have for the prostate yourself. Everyone 00:51:14
else they left at at 20.3. I think there was a level of confusion for sure because I think we initially started down one Rd. 00:51:22
deviated and I think we're back on this road. Everybody got the e-mail from from Chris Lane. 00:51:29
That basically said he's he was under the understanding. 00:51:37
From our last meeting. 00:51:40
That there were some people in the office that qualified and I just ended in it to be identified or having it identified to me who 00:51:42
they were. Now that I know I'm personally. 00:51:47
What I've said and I'm OK with it. I'm OK with it. 00:51:51
With that adjustment, I'm gonna ask the question, what's the midpoint? 00:51:54
4:00 And it's 86 something. 86 I think I I I think that we mail I. 00:51:58
And I can't remember the look at him. 00:52:07
Shall we? You have that off the top of your head. 00:52:13
With. 00:52:16
It it was, it was 86,000 something was the midpoint for that for those, for the UMM we had originally had them at. 00:52:17
The 3% takes them to 87, but I believe that. 00:52:29
Chris had agreed to. 00:52:33
Stopping it at that 86. 00:52:37
It is 6634. Thank you. Yeah. 00:52:40
And it's pretty big points. They're at 84. 00:52:44
755, so if we brought them up to that 86. 00:52:48
And that's actually less than a 3% increase, correct. Increase takes them to 87, yeah. And if you do that, I think I added it up, 00:52:53
it's almost $9000. 00:52:58
Saving instead of if you don't do the full 3%. 00:53:02
We were OK just going up to the mid. 00:53:06
So for clarification for you guys, I'll make a motion that we. 00:53:09
Move forward with. 00:53:14
The 5SOS positions up to the 86,000 and some change where that is 30%. No, no, it wasn't 30%, It's a little after three. 00:53:16
It brings it up to the midpoint which is 86 thousand 34634, but some of them are way below the midpoint. 00:53:29
Some of them are at 75, so that that is not one of the positions that is included. 00:53:37
The 3% on that, it goes up to 77250 or something like that. So not all of them are going to be just. Only one prosecutor would get 00:53:43
3% and then the other four would go a little bit less than 3%. 00:53:49
For Jorge we did only I only went up to 80 something, so four positions 81. 00:53:57
Hi. 00:54:05
Outline the number of. 00:54:06
OK, so our. 00:54:09
These two. 00:54:13
Our second deputy would go up to the 86634. 00:54:17
Our lead missing or deputy would go up to the 86634. 00:54:22
And then our third deputy prosecutor would go up to the 86634. 00:54:27
And then our 4th Deputy Prosecutor would go up to 80. 00:54:31
281. 00:54:36
80. 00:54:37
80,281 and then our. 00:54:38
5th Deputy processor would go up to 77250. 00:54:42
And she would be the only one, the whole 3%, and the other four would be a little bit less than 3%. And in turn that saves. 00:54:45
Almost $9000. 00:54:54
Instead of asking the third deputy. 00:54:56
What? 00:55:00
And the number on the third deputy prosecutor would be the 86634 and but I'm looking at something here showing me supposed to be 00:55:00
8281 and midpoint. 00:55:05
For the third deputy one, yes, on the listing I have. 00:55:10
7. 00:55:14
Back. 00:55:15
Right, but it but the midpoint is 80,000 something, so this one was not supposed to get a raise. 00:55:18
Because they're above the midpoint. 00:55:24
You don't give a raise to those above them already. Yeah, but OK, what does the 4th Deputy say? 00:55:27
Is. 00:55:40
OK, that's OK. Yeah, that that's what we were asking. 00:55:43
What does the bird say? 00:55:47
8. 00:55:50
OK. No, that's what we that's no third. 00:55:52
What? 00:55:56
Listen, you gave me. 00:55:57
3rd Deputy I I checked whatever I think Michelle sent me a while back and it the 1st, the 2nd. 00:55:59
We, the second deputy, lead misdemeanor deputy and 3rd deputy all made the same. 00:56:06
They were all categorized as the same. 00:56:11
And that's where I got the 86634. 00:56:13
Yeah, so based on. 00:56:18
What Michelle has a modified emotion. 00:56:20
To include into the budget and clarify for the the the Utters office. 00:56:23
That there's three positions, third deputy 86634, one fourth deputy position at 80,281. 00:56:29
1/5 Deputy at 77250 and 1 Paralegal at 7 at 47725. 00:56:37
2nd. 00:56:44
Motion and a second. 00:56:47
Like the discussion? 00:56:49
Yeah, we'll wait. 00:56:52
OK. 00:56:59
Brain, that Public defenders, Office administrator. 00:57:01
Yeah, I was going to get to that after this, but we can talk about that. We'll get to that next. 00:57:07
Yeah. We appreciate you all. 00:57:16
Going through. 00:57:18
The. 00:57:28
Comma. 00:57:31
Right. 00:57:34
Are we good? 00:57:44
No, she showed me one number and the number I got in the handout are different. I don't know why they're different. 00:57:46
Confused by that? 00:57:51
OK, we have a motion and a second. Any discussion? 00:57:54
All in favor of she's not even she. Can you confirm that number is correct? 00:57:58
All the solos have one midpoint. 00:58:03
The midpoint is the midpoint, right? Ohh no. 00:58:09
The 5th Deputy sees our new attire. She would be. 00:58:14
OK, not at this moment. Yeah, OK. 00:58:17
Ohh, I might have it. Well, while we're waiting on that. 00:58:23
We have a motion Ohh, we're in discussion. I'll discuss a different topic then. 00:58:30
There. So to your point, Gloria, I think that. 00:58:36
The. 00:58:39
Public Defenders office tries to keep in mind with prosecutors office they use it as a benchmark. 00:58:41
Not just locally, but also I think the State Commission, Public Defenders Commission tries to, you know. 00:58:46
Keep parity with that. 00:58:53
I believe and correct before I'm wrong. I believe that the public defenders office administrator. 00:58:55
Did include a 3% COLA, but the the Prosecutors office and the Office administrator did not. Is that? 00:59:02
Right. We need to bring those to the same. So I would recommend that we also. 00:59:10
Not apply public defender. 00:59:14
Office administrator Cowa. 00:59:17
Because if we're not doing it for the prosecutor's office, I don't think we should do it for the defense of the public defenders 00:59:19
office, so. 00:59:22
I can work that into, I guess a separate motion. 00:59:28
4755. 00:59:34
What's the midpoint for that position? 00:59:39
It's. 00:59:41
6/6. 00:59:42
OK. 00:59:44
Yeah, it's different than what was provided. That's why I'm asking why they're different. 00:59:45
OK, So what she gave me. So there's a motion and a second. 00:59:51
To bring. 00:59:54
For all that. 00:59:57
Our positions. 00:59:59
Happy position, yes. 01:00:00
6 total. 01:00:03
Yes, Yep. Yes. 01:00:05
Crackers. 01:00:08
Yeah, there's three third deputies. 01:00:09
1/4 one fifth one. 01:00:13
OK, yeah, that's true. 01:00:15
Apparently in the position, Yeah, that's already, that's already been included already. Yeah, that one. Correct. OK, we have a 01:00:17
motion and a second. 01:00:22
All in favor, say aye. Any opposed? 01:00:28
Motion carries. 01:00:33
Another motion to to. 01:00:33
Keep the. 01:00:36
The Prosecutor's office administrator and the Public defender office administrator at the same level. Take the COLA. Basically, 01:00:38
that's in there now, away from the PD office administrator to keep those two positions. 01:00:44
2nd. 01:00:52
Motion and a second discussion all in favor, say aye, aye. Any opposed. 01:00:54
OK. 01:01:00
Anything else? 01:01:01
Ohh. 01:01:04
I haven't seen an updated budget since the first, but. 01:01:06
There's the two additional. 01:01:10
Officers don't and the sheriff budget. 01:01:13
Yes. 01:01:16
I believe they found a way to pay for it. I don't think there's an additional cost. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's still in the 01:01:18
budget forms, right? 01:01:21
Have we seen those adjustments? What's being cut? Is that going to be tomorrow when we get to see those? Can you come up please? 01:01:25
Both positions are there. What we've done is we've reallocated increasing management. 01:01:36
Cost along with job descriptions. 01:01:42
To accommodate. 01:01:44
25% of the captain salaries. 01:01:47
On the On the shelves to the general Lead fund. 01:01:50
Which is freeing up about $80,000 in salaries and as well we're moving $80,000. We haven't moved it yet, but we're gonna move 01:01:53
$80,000 out of our equipment, the line of until the salary line. So if it's OK if if this gets blessed, we'll coordinate with 01:01:58
our's office. 01:02:03
To move that out of the equipment line up into the sewer line for the merit office and that will be for 20/24/2024, yes ma'am, as 01:02:09
well as now. 01:02:13
We were just gonna move them in 2024. In 2020. OK. If you could put that in writing so we can see that. Yeah, Send it to us. You 01:02:18
gotta appreciate it. Yes, Sir. 01:02:22
Did why you up there? Did you know that grant position now are they? 01:02:27
Your sultants position that you had grant money for that fell short and you were imposing funds from another grant to cover the 01:02:32
difference. 01:02:36
Did you make those changes? 01:02:40
For that grant. 01:02:42
We're a little restrictive on the bill. The ability to do that because of the grant money is actually housed in the jail lift 01:02:44
fund. 01:02:47
So I'm trying to figure out a way to cleanly and clearly identify that process. The money still has been unused. We got another 01:02:51
sheriff got another $6000 for that particular grant. 01:02:57
From our place, so the 36,000 is currently being housed in the jail unit fund. 01:03:04
But we just need to clarify exactly how that. 01:03:09
Can accommodate the benefits for the 9131, the grant, the ideal seat grant, yeah, because we just talked about cleaning that up. 01:03:12
So we can go year to year to budget to know that it's covered and then if the grant this continues, then we know. 01:03:19
But. 01:03:27
No, I certainly agree I would. I just want to make sure that when we do this, we do it absolutely right the first time, so we 01:03:27
don't end up muddy in the waters in any form of fashion at this point. So I'll be glad to work with you on that and we can maybe 01:03:32
just some other. I'm just wondering how it's affecting this budget. That's why I'm trying to make sure we get this all clean, 01:03:36
That's all. 01:03:40
We're going to put that line on item in there playing the forecast for the carry over. That $36,000 wasn't part of that carryover. 01:03:46
It was isolated strictly for the benefits of it. 01:03:51
That I will see. 01:03:56
Employee. 01:03:58
So you just got to clearly identify exactly how it's. 01:04:00
Good health benefits. 01:04:05
Check. 01:04:08
OK. Anything else? 01:04:10
Did we for the prosecutors office, was there a receptionist position added. Is that correct that with this one that's kind of 01:04:12
being funded with other accounts right now? Do we add that in the budget? 01:04:17
There was nothing, but I think we took it out. 01:04:23
It was pulled out. OK, that's what I wanna make sure. 01:04:26
Anything else? She's got her hand down. 01:04:31
Public Defenders Office. 01:04:35
That. 01:04:38
Another administrator. 01:04:41
$20,000. 01:04:45
It's not. 01:04:48
But it is in the budget. 01:04:52
Yeah. 01:04:54
So we need to add it to the sales order. 01:04:54
Adding. 01:04:59
I think they were planning that out of his, his specialty funding when they're coming out of the general fund. 01:05:02
It's coming out of. 01:05:09
Well. 01:05:11
Is that? 01:05:15
Does that fund get replenished every year or are we going to sneak this one in a year from now? 01:05:17
Please. 01:05:23
With some of them anymore, we did have a whole discussion we didn't want to do. 01:05:25
I thought we have came with a compromise. I think we're going to bring, we're going to bring the three over from superior two or 01:05:32
one. 01:05:35
Ministrator that's gonna get paid out of the 1200 time. 01:05:41
And I think I, you guys, I know that you all this stuff, all that during the budget hearings with him, but because he's able to 01:05:45
perform it all through his stuff. 01:05:49
And came a time that you all were gonna negate that, but I need to know if we need to pull it. 01:05:55
The new positions. 01:06:06
So is that new or is that a or is that a carryover from supplemental to something new? 01:06:10
So he's so he's gonna keep on and supplemental and and he wants another one created in county general is that right? 01:06:17
I think I've got a picture of this. There was one in the. 01:06:24
There was one in the full time at 40. 01:06:29
And then he was moving the 18,500 back to the supplemental fund. 01:06:32
Yeah. 01:06:37
And then he was also putting the deputy public defender. 01:06:39
At 60,000. 01:06:43
Or I guess it's zeroed out this year back to the supplier? 01:06:45
He's supporting it, I think for a year ago with the compromise that came up with for a year or I don't even know how many. 01:06:49
And still. 01:06:58
At that time at the Council meeting that the put it back in the general. 01:07:00
Call. 01:07:06
So we are. 01:07:12
Is there what there's? There's need to be a clarification on this. 01:07:13
Are we? Asked Michelle. We need to. 01:07:19
And there's a, there is a 40% reimbursement on that, is that right? 01:07:26
That's one position that qualifies for 40%. 01:07:31
I mean. 01:07:42
Umm. 01:07:44
We've had to. We got that. 01:07:46
Stern letter from the Commission. 01:07:48
On Public Defenders Commission, and I've talked to Daniel, I mean it's. 01:07:51
They they basically have 3 phases. They inform you, they warn you, and then they take action. 01:07:56
Yeah, yeah. 01:08:03
And we're at, we're at stage one. I don't care to get to stage two or three. So personally I'm OK with it. 01:08:06
So was this a SIT District assistant? That's part of the. 01:08:13
Letter from the state. 01:08:18
These are art at it because he's taking on 3 new attorneys. 01:08:20
What? What's the reason behind that? 01:08:23
I thought that was just when that just for the attorneys, for the lawyers, this is a, you know, this, this position is created 01:08:26
because he's taking on. 01:08:30
He's taking on more workload. He's taking on three more in three additional from Superior One or whatever county court is he's 01:08:35
taking that on. 01:08:39
OK, great. 01:08:43
I think it's technically additional workloads though. 01:08:46
That's more media offices. 01:08:49
That that court doesn't usually go through city office. 01:08:52
Nor do the cases. 01:08:56
So his office is now taking on those public defenders, along with the caseload that they. 01:08:57
Take service of his administrative assistant, which he basically has 1 1/2. 01:09:05
Um. 01:09:10
Is 1 and a part timer. 01:09:11
Or maybe even a part timer? 01:09:13
Because he's got his receptionist, but. 01:09:16
They're now inheriting all of those spaces. 01:09:19
This. 01:09:24
How many do the prosecutors have? 01:09:24
We're talking parody. 01:09:27
That was the question. 01:09:31
The administrative assistance How many? 01:09:32
A lot more than 2 1/2. 01:09:37
But I guess. 01:09:40
It clarified. 01:09:41
The three public defenders from Superior Two are now being purged into. 01:09:44
The Public Defenders office. 01:09:49
So that is going to increase the workload for the public defenders office administratively, not necessarily for the attorneys. 01:09:51
But the attorneys can no longer go to Superior to staff. 01:09:59
And with with any help they, they will rely on the public defenders staff for help and that's why I believe. 01:10:03
Matt asked for additional help because that's going to be additional workload for. 01:10:10
The OR the PO? 01:10:14
RPD, sorry. 01:10:17
OK. Anything else do we need to clarify that because I don't think we've. 01:10:27
It's in the budget, but not in the salary ordinance. 01:10:32
I'm tired of it's not salary ordinance. I'm. 01:10:35
They need to be the same. 01:10:40
I'll make a motion then to edit to the salary ones. 01:10:43
The position. 01:10:46
That motion. 01:10:47
To the second. 01:10:49
I'll second it. 01:10:51
Have a motion and a second. 01:10:53
And you discussion. 01:10:55
And we had it all in favor. Say aye, Aye. Raise your hand. 01:10:57
Compose. 01:11:03
OK, good cares. 01:11:04
OK. Anything else? 01:11:11
I noticed in the IT budget. 01:11:15
There was 56,000 added for additional IT software that come out of another budget that they had. 01:11:17
They're going to the general fund. 01:11:25
I just want to resurrect that we're trying to cut. 01:11:27
Cost here. 01:11:30
44,000 last year, now sent to 100,000 in the general fund. They had it charged to another account. 01:11:32
But fold it out and decide to add it to here I. 01:11:38
The question. 01:11:41
Can we afford that? I mean, we're trying to make cuts to these budgets. 01:11:42
I would call that was for the. 01:11:45
That. 01:11:48
It's nothing new. They already had it budgeted. 01:11:50
In their own. 01:11:52
Well, I think I can only speculate that was because the crash that the edit is under. 01:11:54
They were probably fun ways, I can only speculate. Now they're finding ways to move. 01:11:59
Current expenses around so. 01:12:04
Yeah, I don't know. 01:12:06
I don't know what we want to do with that because they it increased, what, 56,000? 01:12:08
We'd have to move it somewhere else. 01:12:12
Correctly from Vegetarian. 01:12:16
This particular line of people get asked about it. 01:12:19
EDIT. 01:12:22
Was the result of edit edit. 01:12:23
Being under a crunch. 01:12:26
And typically they split the cost between. 01:12:28
Edit and the general fund, and I think you said you had shipped the whole entire amount. 01:12:31
Instead of having it split between. 01:12:37
Was there any notes on moving the two 9130? 01:12:40
2130 Research Capital. 01:12:47
Can you put? 01:12:50
That's not capital. Ohh, I don't know it's. 01:12:52
Whatever the. 01:12:55
On that mission. 01:12:56
9130. 01:12:58
Cortana. 01:13:05
Or isn't it? Isn't that where their spin rate goes? 01:13:10
Nonetheless, I don't know. 01:13:15
Just look at. 01:13:18
I don't know what we want to do with that. I mean, I think that's for the. 01:13:22
The firewall intrusion. 01:13:28
Testing. 01:13:31
That happens every year. I think it's important. 01:13:32
Cyber security, Cyber security. Thank you. 01:13:35
Quite. 01:13:38
What? 01:13:39
So it's it's definitely a needed expense. It's working. 01:13:40
That's where you want to put it. 01:13:43
Yeah. 01:13:44
And I think, I think that's what I recall. 01:13:48
Yeah. 01:13:55
I don't know where we would come up with it. 01:13:58
They are under a crunch with edit it's. 01:14:03
Lower next year than it than it is this year. 01:14:06
As far as funding revenue? 01:14:08
Anything else? 01:14:14
I've had the question. 01:14:17
I'm looking at that print out that we've got from the reading group and. 01:14:18
Transfer in from LITED? Is that the? 01:14:22
Said. 01:14:26
It went from 500,000 to 50 is that was. 01:14:27
They're contributing to that capital that is. Is that what that is? 01:14:31
That is the. 01:14:37
Look, go behind. 01:14:40
And you? 01:14:41
There was $500,000 that was gonna go somewhere. 01:14:44
So the current. 01:14:48
Thinking is that we're going to split that. 01:14:50
5050. 01:14:52
It has hardly titled in the updated budget. 01:14:54
The line that that's coming out. 01:15:00
OK. 01:15:03
And what revenues in there? 01:15:05
When that gets retitled. 01:15:08
You know with big dollar amount is in there. 01:15:09
Can we make sure we put that on the joint meeting too and can we make can? 01:15:14
Is there a rest? I talked with Al about resolution so that we can all sign that. 01:15:20
And get this behind us. We gotta do that before the end of the year, just to clarify. 01:15:26
Go ahead. 01:15:30
Clarify what you want. 01:15:32
So. 01:15:33
Go Bond. 01:15:37
Resolution. 01:15:38
Where it's going to be a joint resolution. A joint resolution, Yeah, I mean, I'm. 01:15:42
I I've never signed off on 250 myself. No matter. It's just you know it's we signed off on. We actually signed off on 500. We have 01:15:46
a resolution already passed. 01:15:51
But they did that 100, but they never signed it. We sent it to them, they never signed it. So, So what's it gonna go in on the 01:15:56
budget? I guess that's my question. 01:16:01
Is what is it funded at? 01:16:05
What It's got what? 01:16:13
So if it's anything less, it just affects the bottom line. I mean, it could stay at 500, but if that's not what it ends up being 01:16:16
agreed to. 01:16:19
Really. Group has 250 in their projections. 01:16:23
OK. 01:16:28
Yeah, they just. 01:16:29
Put it back at 2:50. 01:16:30
Because I think they were talking to the Commissioners about. 01:16:31
Yes. 01:16:34
That, yeah, sure, it doesn't matter. 01:16:36
We gotta we gotta resolve it some one way or another. 01:16:38
OK. 01:16:42
So all the judicial raises that. 01:16:45
Move to external mid instead of 3%. So everyone's OK with that. I mean we're talking about we have to. 01:16:48
Make these cuts the circuit, all the court members that got the significant raises. 01:16:55
We're gonna, I mean, we're talking about crunching and we need to look at some things without cutting services or cutting jobs. 01:17:02
Aren't we gonna have to refocus on some of that stuff? 01:17:06
So I mean you talking about the the courts. Yeah, So I'll address that. 01:17:11
I think Dale, you and I met with the courts. The court are two. Two of the of the judges still are in Judge Brown, yeah. 01:17:18
And. 01:17:27
They have what I would consider a fair request to keep in line with the prosecutor's office. Pat pat bees, I believe. 01:17:28
Umm. 01:17:36
And they're. 01:17:38
Substantially below that right now. 01:17:39
And. 01:17:43
They did say that. Ohh, they did they they did OfferUp cuts. I believe most of it, if not all of it came from. 01:17:46
Judge Brown. 01:17:53
Budget. 01:17:55
So they did OfferUp touch to to pay for that. So that's. 01:17:56
Well, you cut his law books. 01:18:00
Yeah, substantially. So it's paid for. 01:18:02
So it's a, it's a virtually net neutral expense. 01:18:05
To make that happen. 01:18:10
I was I just say you know you know Jim is first year for for for you being here. I know this is not a threat but it's just real 01:18:11
talk that if it if this doesn't happen. 01:18:17
I'm confident that a mandate will. 01:18:24
Follow and that's going to. 01:18:27
Well. 01:18:30
That that'll cost more money and. 01:18:32
We'll probably end up right back where we are, so. 01:18:34
We can do what we want to do there, but. 01:18:37
I personally have had. 01:18:40
The conversations and on my due diligence and I'm OK with it. 01:18:42
Yeah, I'll chime in there, Brad. We both of us met. 01:18:46
And I think I've stated in public that. 01:18:51
It's the best thing that's happened with that Wis study. 01:18:55
His job descriptions? 01:18:59
And I've if you remember Brad, I. 01:19:01
I asked what is there? 01:19:03
Job description What is it? Michelle Pat. Two in the prosecutor's office Pat. Pat, Do you believe? 01:19:05
Happy. 01:19:10
Are you confused all the acronyms? 01:19:12
So, but then the court staff was less than happy. But they're Patty. 01:19:14
Qualify. 01:19:19
So. 01:19:20
And I've often stated that if we had this job description, if you're a pat beyond care what office you work in, you should make 01:19:21
things out you could work in. Whatever office you work in don't matter. 01:19:26
You're paying for the job, the pet fee. 01:19:31
Or the? 01:19:33
Comments, or whatever they they are to be consistent. 01:19:34
OK. Anything else? 01:19:46
Yeah, Michelle has her. 01:19:49
So. 01:19:51
It was discussed. 01:19:52
With the surveyor to move his. 01:19:54
Party composition to a whole composition. 01:19:56
And he was gonna pay for it. 01:20:00
Over. 01:20:05
It's on the. It's on the agenda for for the upcoming meeting. 01:20:06
So I think. 01:20:10
Through the budget and then. 01:20:11
And. 01:20:14
So I need to know who put her on. 01:20:15
The salary. 01:20:18
Yes. 01:20:21
For next year's. 01:20:22
Right now, she just put it in the budget and put her on the ordinance. 01:20:24
Well. 01:20:29
Closely as possible, and they are on the agenda. 01:20:31
OK. 01:20:35
Yeah, if it doesn't pass on the 16th, then we can modify it. 01:20:38
But I would prepare it right now. 01:20:41
So you would have to approve it effective January 1st. 01:20:50
The adjustment. 01:20:55
It's already in the bank. 01:20:57
Now. 01:20:59
It's not. It's not in the general fund. 01:21:02
But it's. 01:21:06
The. 01:21:09
Once you add that and the benefits, it will be really advertised. 01:21:10
For that. 01:21:15
Ohh for the Cornerstone Fund. Yeah. Ohh for the Cornerstone Fund. OK, that makes sense. OK. 01:21:17
Well, that may not be the only thing that happens because there's there's times in January 1st meeting in January we have to clean 01:21:25
up. 01:21:27
Some things that didn't quite make it into the budget process. 01:21:31
Not going to be reflected in the 1202. 01:21:36
Find some budget adoption. 01:21:41
My opinion is that we need an offer salary. Modify it in January if you add it to the orders at that time. 01:21:44
He had the best. 01:21:52
Ohh, but they're But they're gonna have to pay at that rate before we meet. 01:21:57
So. 01:22:02
If we're going to pay them if we approve this on on Monday. 01:22:03
We're going to modify the salary ordinance to reflect. 01:22:07
What we approved. 01:22:11
But you'll be modified, please. 01:22:12
But what he's saying in 2024, is there a pay period before we meet and she won't get her pay. We'll have to retroactive that then. 01:22:16
Let's just put it on. Why does it have to stay off? 01:22:31
Probably needs to reflect that the correct pay. 01:22:35
For the person, yes, he wants to feel it ASAP. That's why he asked to be on the agenda for make a note that in January we need to 01:22:40
make sure it gets in the budget. 01:22:45
Because we're going to modify an additional appropriation if if it passes, we're going to modify the current salary ordinance and 01:22:50
they're going to start paying. 01:22:54
Right away. 01:22:58
Actually, I think. 01:22:59
There might be. I forget what the request is. It's either right away or maybe a little bit retroactive, I don't know. 01:23:00
You know, and we can do this. So if Danny, we were able to do something with the building authority. 01:23:09
In January we can make. 01:23:15
A. 01:23:18
And the appropriation, the appropriation, and. 01:23:21
You know, we'll save that money. 01:23:25
But we need to do it in the correct order. I don't think we do. 01:23:27
Cut the budget and then do that. 01:23:31
And that. 01:23:34
Where do we end up on the salary or the employee insurance? I never did hear the final. 01:23:35
The commissioners were waiting on some quotes and stuff, but I think did didn't we add like $500,000 to that budget? 01:23:42
Side just was curious where those numbers came out or what it was for healthcare costs for 2024? 01:23:49
3.7 million and we think we're going to be more than that this year. 01:23:57
We're going to be right at 3.7 this year. 01:24:02
You will have it. 01:24:05
Yeah. 01:24:08
And you know, we're going to be self funded next year, so it could be. 01:24:12
Right, right. Trouble yourself. 01:24:17
Yeah. 01:24:20
It could go up or down. 01:24:22
So we discussed earlier other options of getting these budgets down. 01:24:26
Are we gonna look at anything? Any and? 01:24:30
Trying to get. 01:24:33
Some employee benefits down or something to try to get these this deficit down without cutting jobs. 01:24:34
So are we going to look at any of those or do we have control over reducing some of those? So I think it's that we have to get the 01:24:40
commissioners involved in order to do any of that. It's not under our. 01:24:46
Of. 01:24:53
Purview to. 01:24:54
Cut her off. 01:24:58
I guess we could cut them the money. 01:25:01
Associated with her, but we can't. 01:25:04
We can't change the ordinance of 3%. 01:25:08
Well, that's that's where I'm getting at. I mean, if we can't afford it, we don't. If we're running these deficits, what are we 01:25:11
gonna do? So we need to get with the, the, the commissioners and have a meeting to see what we can do. And again, what I would say 01:25:16
is we're too late for 2020. 01:25:21
We're too late to get it in the budget for this year, however, if we can get an agreement within the next three months. 01:25:27
We can always make a the appropriation. 01:25:35
And. 01:25:38
In January. 01:25:40
I mean, I would like to talk about perfect the joint meeting. 01:25:43
Gloria, again, can we put that on the agenda to talk about Perth? 01:25:48
During the joint meeting. 01:25:55
May we look at this insurance they have, I mean it's employee match percentage is really low and then they provide. 01:26:01
Spouse or family benefits that you just don't get out in public. I mean, you pick up that cost yourself. You're trying to cure 01:26:08
your if you. 01:26:12
Trying to carry on, so we're carrying a heavy load here, a lot of benefits we're providing. 01:26:16
And we've talked about getting these salaries up and they're getting pensions. They're already getting equivalent now to. 01:26:22
Other We've done everything we can to get them at affordable rates, and yet we're still providing some benefits. 01:26:29
That public you know. 01:26:34
Other people don't get. 01:26:36
So we gotta really look at that. We're really trying to talk about getting this deficit in line. 01:26:37
So you wanna put healthcare cost, healthcare and again I think it's it's too late, we're having open enrollment right now. 01:26:44
So. 01:26:52
A little late on contributions for. 01:26:54
Healthcare, I think. Or am I right? 01:26:59
But. 01:27:03
We need to have the conversations on an ongoing basis. I do you know because it's A to be continued, we talk about it our joint 01:27:05
meetings. 01:27:09
Push Pause on it. We may do a little research, do a diligence, come back and see what the progress report is. 01:27:13
Because these things. 01:27:18
These complicated topics about insurance, perf and building forwarding others are not going to be solved in one or two meetings. 01:27:20
There's going to have to be a lot of. 01:27:24
You know data and research and things and so I think it's appropriate to. 01:27:28
Keep it under, you know, hold business as you will for these charges. 01:27:34
So we can can we have a a agenda item called benefit and maybe dash births comma there. 01:27:38
Something like that, healthcare. 01:27:45
What is going to call healthcare companies? 01:27:49
Employee compensation. 01:27:53
More than willing to look at those things. 01:27:58
We always seem to get to this point and then want to talk about them and. 01:28:02
It's. 01:28:06
It's like it's like the day. 01:28:08
Addressing those things, but maybe if we start talking about them now, we can be. 01:28:10
Prepared. 01:28:14
For different discussions come next year. 01:28:16
And maybe perks on too, but I don't know. 01:28:21
Anything else? 01:28:27
But those are where the savings are going to come. 01:28:30
Not with, you know. 01:28:33
Taken up. 01:28:35
Make a. 01:28:37
Part time. 01:28:38
Person at 28 hours. There's 25 hours that. 01:28:39
You know. 01:28:42
Michelle or Michelle, are you good? 01:28:44
Is the auditor's office good? 01:28:47
I'll make a motion to adjourn. 01:28:50
2nd. 01:28:51
Motion in a second. All in favor. Say aye, Aye. Thank you, guys. 01:28:52
Yeah. 01:29:17