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Ready. | 00:00:02 | |
OK, it's 5:30, so I think we'll get started. I want to welcome everyone to our City Council meeting tonight. | 00:00:05 | |
Miss Mayor Dolly, who's not here, so I'm filling in for him and we'll start with a Pledge of Allegiance. | 00:00:12 | |
Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, | 00:00:23 | |
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. | 00:00:30 | |
OK, we have. | 00:00:41 | |
Kind of a short agenda tonight, but we're going to start with public comment if there's anyone here that would like to address the | 00:00:43 | |
City Council during the public comment period. | 00:00:47 | |
We always like to hear from Trudy. | 00:00:53 | |
It's always good news, right? Trudy from the library, just to let you know, the things that happened in April that were really | 00:00:56 | |
awesome in April, we finished tax season that was great. We with the help of the AARP volunteers, approximately 1500 people had | 00:01:02 | |
their taxes done at the Holiday Library. | 00:01:08 | |
Last month was also library month and as I said before that we are, we went fine free on juvenile and young adult materials, which | 00:01:16 | |
is awesome. And it was food for fine. So if you brought in a donation of food and we had a pallet in there which is kind of big in | 00:01:22 | |
our small branch, but it was full when they took it away. So thanks to the generosity of everybody in the community. | 00:01:29 | |
Umm, the seed library has been going on for a while now and it's going to end, so you have until the 11th. The 11th will be the | 00:01:36 | |
last day of the seed library to come get your seeds to plant your gardens. I. | 00:01:43 | |
May is Inventors Month, and to celebrate Inventors Month on the 10th we're going to have a tech and toy museum that you can come | 00:01:50 | |
at 1:00 and you can see things that my very young librarians are calling artifacts. | 00:01:56 | |
Probably things I own. | 00:02:03 | |
The 15th will be an after school crew dedicated to outer space and on the 21st there will be a program for littles that is hands | 00:02:06 | |
on rocket science. | 00:02:10 | |
It will be exciting. | 00:02:15 | |
On the 25th, that's the 4th Saturday, we have a health and Wellness exploration. We've been doing sound bathing in May that's | 00:02:18 | |
going to switch and they're going to do meditation and breath work, so you're welcome to come and relax. | 00:02:24 | |
And just a little glimmer for the future, June 1st is when summer readings starts. So the big kickoff party that's in this area is | 00:02:31 | |
going to be at the Mill Creek branch this year. So that's from 5:00 to 8:00 on Friday, May 31st. So you can go have some fun at | 00:02:37 | |
the Mill Creek Library to kick off summer reading. | 00:02:44 | |
And of course, we will be closed on the 27th for Memorial Day. And that's what's happening at the library. Thank you. Thanks. | 00:02:51 | |
Do you have anyone else here for public comment? | 00:02:59 | |
If not, we'll next hear from Gina. | 00:03:05 | |
Her presentation for the Tentative budget for 20/24/25. | 00:03:08 | |
Thank you. | 00:03:15 | |
Earlier today, you should have received the tentative budget proposal for the City's fiscal 202425 fiscal year. The budget | 00:03:18 | |
represents the combined work of our staff and our contracted agencies who began working on budget preparation earlier this year. I | 00:03:25 | |
really appreciate the work of all who have been involved in that effort to bring you that tentative budget today. | 00:03:33 | |
The last several years have been both challenging and exciting for Holiday. Holiday is continuing to implement the city's plan for | 00:03:42 | |
financial sustainability and infrastructure improvement. The city's most recent bond issued two years ago has allowed us to make | 00:03:49 | |
significant improvements on our neighborhood streets, which our residents are certainly seeing. And in the next year, we'll see | 00:03:56 | |
many stormwater infrastructure projects completed, making a much more robust network for storm water in our city. | 00:04:03 | |
In February of 2023, the council at that time identified several priorities to guide city activities over the next 10 years. | 00:04:12 | |
In February of this year, this Council revisited and refined those priorities and focused on five. | 00:04:21 | |
Priority areas, the first being a safe community. | 00:04:29 | |
Second, excellent public assets and infrastructure. Third, responsive, efficient and sustainable city government. 4th, responsible | 00:04:34 | |
development that enhances community. And finally. | 00:04:41 | |
You wanted to prioritize holiday continuing to be a great place to live. | 00:04:50 | |
Within those priorities are several specific goals that you would like to see achieved, and additional details about those goals | 00:04:55 | |
is found in the budget document that you have. | 00:04:59 | |
This budget has really been developed with those identified priorities in mind. | 00:05:05 | |
The budget also priority prioritizes our city employees, providing a cost of living adjustment and targeted market increases to | 00:05:10 | |
make sure holiday attracts and retains high quality staff to best serve our residents. | 00:05:17 | |
After several years of double digit growth in sales tax, fueled by the collection of sales tax for online sales, pandemic spending | 00:05:26 | |
and inflation. | 00:05:30 | |
Those things have slowed down and so sales tax growth in holiday has really stalled over the past year. | 00:05:36 | |
Sales tax growth over the preceding three years had allowed us to keep place. | 00:05:44 | |
Case with inflationary pressures on both our services and on our project costs, with next year's sales tax collections currently | 00:05:49 | |
projected to be at the same level as was budgeted for our current year, we can't rely any longer on that source of revenue to fund | 00:05:56 | |
our own expense changes. | 00:06:03 | |
With council support, this tentative budget includes a proposed 15% increase in the city's property tax rate. For a holiday home | 00:06:11 | |
valued at tax year 2023's average price of $871,000, this increase would be about $95 a year, or about $8 monthly. Should the | 00:06:20 | |
council wish to proceed with that increase, a truth and taxation hearing will occur in August before that tax rate is adopted. | 00:06:30 | |
This budget also reflects a number of inflationary cost increases for the city, as well as some significant changes in the cost of | 00:06:41 | |
our contracts to provide key municipal services. | 00:06:46 | |
The largest dollar change in the budget is in a change in providing change in how we will be providing. | 00:06:51 | |
Police service in our community with a legislative mandate to remove the sheriff. Salt Lake County as the Executive Unified Police | 00:06:59 | |
Department. | 00:07:03 | |
You PD is experiencing considerable cost increases in the cost of providing services. Holiday has remained committed to the this | 00:07:08 | |
model of providing police services, recognizing that our residents are better served by a model that has the ability to provide a | 00:07:16 | |
wealth of resources when we need them and when we can share the cost of those specialized services with other communities. | 00:07:24 | |
Council is also in the midst of considering two large potential projects, one of which we're going to spend some time talking | 00:07:33 | |
about tonight. | 00:07:37 | |
And the other which we spent some time talking about last week, the seismic reinforcement in our nearly 100 year old facility. | 00:07:41 | |
While the tentative budget includes a few items associated with those projects, it does not yet develop a full funding strategy | 00:07:49 | |
for either project. During the next several weeks, as the council continues to talk about these projects, we'll look for guidance | 00:07:56 | |
on how you wish to include those items in the budget that you'll adopt in June. | 00:08:03 | |
So this proposed budget includes budgets for the city's general fund and that totals about $22.2 million. Also includes the budget | 00:08:11 | |
for the cities Capital Projects fund, storm water fund, debt service grants and arts fund. | 00:08:19 | |
And budgets for the redevelopment agencies projects, both the Cottonwood Mall project and Holiday Village are also included in | 00:08:28 | |
this document. I really am look forward to talking about city priorities and this document in the coming weeks. | 00:08:37 | |
Next week, we will do an overview of the budget in much more detail. We'll talk about those revenue assumptions. | 00:08:47 | |
And then we'll spend we'll spend time talking about the storm water fund and our capital projects and parks. | 00:08:55 | |
And then May 16th, we'll talk USA. | 00:09:03 | |
Administration, Justice, Court and Community and Economic Development. June 6th will be UPD as well as our public hearing on the | 00:09:09 | |
budget. We'll we'll also talk about our committees at that point grants and debt service looking toward a June 13th budget | 00:09:15 | |
adoption. | 00:09:21 | |
So with that, I'm happy to take questions. We're happy to sit down and move on to the next. | 00:09:29 | |
Well, first of all, thank you very much for putting this together and for. | 00:09:38 | |
Gathering all the information and thank your staff for their help too. I know this is a huge project and you barely get it done | 00:09:42 | |
one year but then you're starting it up for the next year so thank you. | 00:09:47 | |
Can you just remind us what our kind of statutory obligations are with respect to a timeline? Sure. So I. | 00:09:52 | |
In terms of the timeline, you have a responsibility to adopt A budget by the 30th of June and A and I may be reversing these two | 00:10:00 | |
and a tax rate by the 22nd of June. And then if you are increasing beyond the certified rate, so if you are moving forward with | 00:10:10 | |
that 15% tax increase, another public hearing would be scheduled in August and then at that time you could make changes. | 00:10:20 | |
In in the rate that is proposed and then would readopt in that time frame as well. | 00:10:30 | |
Does anybody have any questions for Gina? | 00:10:39 | |
OK, thanks. | 00:10:45 | |
With that. | 00:10:49 | |
I would consider a motion to. | 00:10:51 | |
Acknowledge receipt and adoption of the Tentative Budget. | 00:10:54 | |
Mr. Chair, I move consideration or approval of resolution just as a matter of explanation. First, just to clarify, we are not | 00:11:00 | |
adopting the budget, just the tentative budget and acknowledging its receipt. So as as Gina mentioned, over the next several | 00:11:07 | |
weeks, we'll be digging into it more deeply and then doing a formal resolution to accept the budget after several runs through it | 00:11:14 | |
and possible edits and amendments. So tonight's resolution is just acknowledging receipt and adopting. | 00:11:21 | |
Budget as is, so with that. | 00:11:29 | |
I move approval of Resolution 2024-16 acknowledging receipt and adopting the tentative budget for 24/20/24 and 25 fiscal year. | 00:11:31 | |
2nd. | 00:11:41 | |
We have a motion and a second. | 00:11:43 | |
Council Member Brewer Yes. Councilmember Fotheringham Yes. Councilmember Quinn Yes. Councilmember Gray, yes. And I also vote yes. | 00:11:46 | |
So with that, I think we have adopted the. | 00:11:53 | |
Or we've acknowledged receipt and adopted the tentative budget for 20/24/25. | 00:12:00 | |
Thank you. Is the setting of the public hearing for June 6th part of that resolution? | 00:12:07 | |
I don't know from a formality standpoint, I don't know if that. | 00:12:16 | |
Needs to be stated or not, but yeah. | 00:12:19 | |
Great. | 00:12:23 | |
With that, I would accept. I would. | 00:12:27 | |
Entertain a motion to move into our work meeting. | 00:12:31 | |
Chair Durham, I move that we recess now into our work meeting. | 00:12:39 | |
We can just see this by voice. Voice, correct? | 00:12:46 | |
All in favor say aye aye. | 00:12:51 | |
OK, we are in our work meeting. | 00:12:54 | |
And I think our first item is the adaptive reunion initial presentation for the Spring Lane project. | 00:12:57 | |
Presentation. | 00:13:19 | |
There we go. | 00:13:21 | |
OK, well my name is Dan Smith. I work for MHT and Architects. I'm a landscape architect and we've been working on the Spring Lane | 00:13:25 | |
adaptive reuse plan the past few months and. | 00:13:30 | |
We met previously to kind of discuss a few things and we're just here to give you an update of the progress. | 00:13:36 | |
Umm, Tonight we're going to go over a few things, Um. | 00:13:42 | |
I'll let everyone kind of introduce themselves when they stand up to speak, but Leah is going to 1st kind of go over a lot of the | 00:13:47 | |
public engagement element of the project and and the progress there. Lauren from MHTN is going to. | 00:13:54 | |
Go over the kind of the concept plans and present some kind of exciting. | 00:14:01 | |
Graphics and things. | 00:14:07 | |
To consider and discuss and then Ryan from age stand is also going to be talking a little bit about cost estimate information | 00:14:09 | |
concerning those left him the numbers and the. | 00:14:15 | |
Yeah, they get the fun stuff at the end. | 00:14:23 | |
Um, but it's been really exciting project and. | 00:14:27 | |
And I'll let everyone kind of. | 00:14:31 | |
You know, chime in, but. | 00:14:35 | |
We're just going to continue. | 00:14:38 | |
Obviously working on this over the next month and I. | 00:14:40 | |
Hopefully. | 00:14:45 | |
You guys will be happy with the progress tonight. I'll let Lee go ahead and you're back. | 00:14:47 | |
Yeah. And we'll go to the next slide here and talk about. | 00:14:53 | |
The next items here I kind of already went over the agenda. | 00:15:01 | |
But we'll talk about the concept surveys and website information that has happened. | 00:15:04 | |
Hey, I'm Leah Jeremiah. I'm a public engagement consultant with David Evans and Associates. | 00:15:11 | |
Let's go to the next slide. I'm going to give you. There's a lot on these sites. I'm not going to read them all to you. We've been | 00:15:17 | |
doing quite a bit of public engagement work. We started with stakeholder meetings with the most immediately impacted stakeholders, | 00:15:22 | |
so that includes. | 00:15:27 | |
Out of order of slides, but granted school district Impact United which is a big user of this site, Cottonwood Country Club which | 00:15:33 | |
is a similar sort of outdoor recreation use adjacent to the site and the immediate residence. So we had some one-on-one meetings | 00:15:40 | |
with these key stakeholders and learned that more than 4000 players in Impact United leagues. | 00:15:48 | |
Are using this site in Bonneville Middle School together. It's kind of their hub set of fields. | 00:15:56 | |
So when we approached them about site reuse, they were a little bit nervous. They used the fields up to three fields at the site | 00:16:03 | |
weekdays from 4:00 to 8:00 and weekend days all day long. We also learned that there's quite a bit of competition for multi use | 00:16:09 | |
fields on the east bench in Salt Lake. I am a soccer mom and have been driving all over the valley with my daughter who plays | 00:16:16 | |
soccer. | 00:16:22 | |
To access sports fields and it was not something that I had really thought about, but cross even peewee baseball. | 00:16:30 | |
Soccer are big sports in our valley and also on the east side, all competing. | 00:16:37 | |
We learned that Impact United does contribute funds and also labor and service to help maintain the fields that they play on, | 00:16:43 | |
which is a great service that they are providing to kind of help augment their use. | 00:16:48 | |
We talked to the Country Club. They don't see the site as competitive in any way. They have their own membership, but a lot of | 00:16:55 | |
community members are using it. They're really the only interface they'd had with the site was that they sometimes use it as | 00:17:00 | |
overflow parking when they have a big event. So no real competition there, although they know that. | 00:17:06 | |
Folks like pickleball, which we'll talk a little bit more about later. We'll go to the next slide. | 00:17:14 | |
Please. So as you likely know, Granite School District is. | 00:17:19 | |
Has offered or is entertaining a 99 year lease at a fairly discounted rate. Their intent really has been. | 00:17:25 | |
To approve or review a plan from Holiday City that Holiday City wants to see and their their goal there is really to a. | 00:17:33 | |
Provide a community use in an open space the kind of only caveat that I think we heard from them was that they want to be able to | 00:17:42 | |
preserve their ability to read to access the site in the event of some sort of natural disaster so I'm. | 00:17:50 | |
Maybe not. Gina's favorite example of my favorite example is not building a water park on the site that uses the entire site in a | 00:17:59 | |
way that you couldn't put mobile buildings or things on at a later time. | 00:18:05 | |
So. | 00:18:12 | |
They're very interested in learning more about what this plan. | 00:18:14 | |
Entails once you have all had your input on it. | 00:18:17 | |
We'll go to the next slide. As you all likely know, there is a Regional Park plan in progress for the holiday Lions Creekside | 00:18:20 | |
Hillview Basin complex, which is actually on. Maybe let's go to the next slide. | 00:18:27 | |
So this is a map from their master plan, which we can provide the links to you, but they're changing up a bit of the usage, but | 00:18:36 | |
not a lot of the usage. Creekside, which is on your bottom left will remain a golf, a disc golf course. It's a very popular disc | 00:18:42 | |
golf course. We don't see any sort of competition or reuse of that type of program. They the holiday line say, as you all know is | 00:18:49 | |
incredibly. | 00:18:55 | |
Well utilized for sports so they are looking at adding some more sporting fields on the sort of central. | 00:19:03 | |
East side and they're looking at some more natural use in that sort of northern portion as well as some trails. So some of the | 00:19:08 | |
things that we wanted to learn from them were about walking trails, shade dog parks in particular, so that we are supporting use | 00:19:15 | |
but not competing. | 00:19:21 | |
So. | 00:19:28 | |
Which are all good things, because then we had a neighborhood workshop. | 00:19:33 | |
Which is our next slide. We invited folks who back onto the site. | 00:19:38 | |
What we wanted to do there was really understand what. | 00:19:43 | |
Potential uses could be problematic for adjacent neighbors or things that they are already seeing that are happening that they | 00:19:47 | |
like or don't like, right. We didn't want to present any kind of concept that would, you know, receive a lot of pushback from | 00:19:53 | |
adjacent property owners and residents. So I was really surprised, and I've said this to our team in other places in the Valley, | 00:19:59 | |
people are really encouraging a lot of turf removal. And when we engaged in some conversations around that, everyone said, where | 00:20:05 | |
are those kids? | 00:20:10 | |
Play soccer. So we folks in the neighborhood are used to what's happening at the site. They had some great ideas about ways that | 00:20:17 | |
it can be improved, but they weren't looking to completely change the way that it's operating. There wasn't anything there that we | 00:20:24 | |
saw as deeply problematic about the way the site is is being accessed or used. So that was great. A lot of what they said is shown | 00:20:32 | |
on this slide and I think it's also reflected very clearly in the survey. So we'll jump to that. Folks love. | 00:20:39 | |
View of the mountains from the site. They like the open fields, they like the. | 00:20:47 | |
Use that it could have as walking trails or dog park, which is a huge piece. We're seeing a lot of dog park use there now and | 00:20:54 | |
there were some complaints from folks about the fact that dog waste is not being managed very well that a lot of dogs are off | 00:21:02 | |
leash and just sort of in the in the whole site. And we saw a very a pretty significant write in set of comments around. | 00:21:10 | |
Dog parks, walking trails and those kinds of amenities. | 00:21:19 | |
We had this is 630, but I think when we closed we were closer to 680 responses, which is I think pretty great. We had a lot of | 00:21:25 | |
comments about things that. | 00:21:31 | |
Or maybe also not. | 00:21:37 | |
Included in something that the city would entertain, which were splash pads, pools and sort of large water play. So as we go on in | 00:21:39 | |
the slide a little bit, we'll talk about that, but. | 00:21:46 | |
A lot of requests for pickleball, some real excitement about some of the other features that my teammates will talk about here. | 00:21:54 | |
So with that, we have a couple of FAQs that we've drafted on the next slide, and we're also happy to take your input on this. But | 00:22:02 | |
we've kind of tried to explain how this input will inform the process. So the concepts that you're going to see today are | 00:22:08 | |
different from what you've seen before because we've been incorporating that feedback as we've gone. | 00:22:15 | |
There was not a lot of pushback. There were a few comments that said no dog park, but there wasn't a lot of pushback on dog parks. | 00:22:23 | |
And what we know about dog parks is that when you provide a place that's clear and obvious and the amenities that go with it, | 00:22:29 | |
trash cans and dog waste bags, people are better about cleaning up after themselves. It's not a perfect solution, but putting a | 00:22:36 | |
dog park that's clearly designated is. It tends to provide better use than just sort of leaving it unmanaged. | 00:22:42 | |
We addressed that sort of multi use field competition thing that's happening here and then we also address. | 00:22:50 | |
Any kind of water that would be reused as opposed to like the water pump at. | 00:22:57 | |
Knudsen Park that that water is kind of a single use. It doesn't need to be treated. | 00:23:05 | |
So as you all consider this, and if you have other questions that you think your constituents or neighbors might have, let us | 00:23:11 | |
know. We're happy to include those in the FAQs. | 00:23:15 | |
And Morgan is going to talk about the concept and I'm sure that will raise a good discussion of how we've arrived at these. | 00:23:20 | |
Thanks. | 00:23:28 | |
Thanks, Leah. Hi, everyone. My name is Lauren Leisman. I am a planner at MHT and Architects. I'm going to walk us through the | 00:23:32 | |
concepts. So what you're seeing here on the slides are just kind of what we were drawing and figuring out with just internally | 00:23:39 | |
with our team, but then also with the steering committee kind of came up with and we gave them pieces to kind of where do those | 00:23:46 | |
big pieces land? But so those all played a big part in the design. Oh, next slide, please. | 00:23:52 | |
So with all the survey input, focus group, all of that and meeting with the steering committee, we decided to start really high | 00:24:01 | |
level and just create these bubble diagrams. And these are really just to kind of narrow down what are some options of where these | 00:24:08 | |
bubbles land, where do these big pieces fall and what kind of organization strategy do we like the best? | 00:24:15 | |
So we presented 3 concepts to the steering committee. And after much discussion and great, it all kind of landed on concept three | 00:24:23 | |
really being the larger parking lot. Because understanding the kind of with so much activity happening, we're going to need some | 00:24:31 | |
parking space for people who'll get busy on the weekends and on those on those big days. And then really leaving a big open space | 00:24:38 | |
for multi-purpose field use. | 00:24:46 | |
If you'd like to go to the next slide. | 00:24:53 | |
So while we were working on this, we were starting to pull some ideas and inspiration from other projects within the in this | 00:24:57 | |
country and then internationally as well. | 00:25:02 | |
One we really want to kind of focus on is shown at the bottom right corner and that's the rail yard rail yards in Santa Fe, NM | 00:25:09 | |
where they reused a lot of the material from the existing use to build to incorporate within the park. So they use like the real | 00:25:16 | |
railroad ties and things like that to build pergolas and pavilions and things like that. So we found that to be a really great | 00:25:23 | |
kind of precedent for this project. | 00:25:30 | |
So yeah, take some time to look into that at some point. Next slide, please. | 00:25:39 | |
So with using kind of concept 3 as a template, we put together 2 sub concepts. So we've got concept A and concept B. They're both | 00:25:45 | |
almost exactly the same. The only difference between the two is just how we've laid out the trailways, the pathways. | 00:25:54 | |
So I'm going to kind of walk us through the site and then I'll show you what Concept B looks like. So with the kind of expanded | 00:26:04 | |
and redesigned parking lot, we're seeing a potential of 188 parking stalls, which is over 100 more that's current than that's | 00:26:11 | |
currently on the site. So that's great. As we move kind of to the center middle, we see a pavilion with restrooms. The pavilion | 00:26:19 | |
could be a new build or it could, you know, reuse some of the materials from the school. | 00:26:26 | |
Like those great awesome large structural beams could be reused to to kind of build the pavilion and then of course maintaining | 00:26:34 | |
the courtyard garden, which kind of is what we heard a lot from all parties would be really great to to keep. | 00:26:41 | |
And then at the center, understanding noise of pickleball courts. | 00:26:50 | |
That we kind of wanted to centrally locate them far away from the residents so that we could kind of dampen the the noise that | 00:26:56 | |
would come from that. | 00:27:00 | |
As we move to the east side, we are showing a dog park. We do understand that could be a pretty loud use as well and we are right | 00:27:05 | |
next to those neighbors. So we envision some sort of like densely vegetating that kind of east edge, maybe incorporating some | 00:27:12 | |
berms to kind of block visual and some sound issues that might come from the dog park. | 00:27:20 | |
As we move just below the pavilion and courtyard area, that kind of light brown area is a playground and that's 3/4 of an acre, | 00:27:28 | |
which is really big. As we're kind of continuing to refine this concept, we we could fit a small pump track, bouldering wall, | 00:27:35 | |
climbing wall. Those are the kind of amenities that popped up a lot in the survey as well as just a space for traditional kind of | 00:27:41 | |
playground equipment. | 00:27:48 | |
And then of course, the big piece of this is the five acres of multi filled use space, multi-purpose field space. We are showing 2 | 00:27:56 | |
full size soccer fields of course that can be used for many. And then that kind of mid tone green around them is 20 to 30 feet of | 00:28:04 | |
spectator space. Either could be flexed, it could be overflow. | 00:28:12 | |
For games or team needs to play on to that, it can be used for that. | 00:28:20 | |
And then all around the edges of this site, we see the dark green or where we see kind of perennial plantings, some gardens, | 00:28:26 | |
something pretty to look at, as well as maybe some buildings up, some more berms on the side to kind of help create a buffer for | 00:28:33 | |
those residents to the east and the West. But then also to kind of give an option if there are those really big game days on the | 00:28:41 | |
site, it could be some seating for people. | 00:28:48 | |
That are watching the game. | 00:28:55 | |
And then on the out, on the very outside, we see, we're showing kind of a double path. We see a concrete path which was really | 00:28:58 | |
requested on the survey. So that goes all the way around and that's about a half a mile. And then the kind of the darker the brown | 00:29:04 | |
path next to it we see is potentially like a crushed granite gravel path that people could ride their bikes on or if they prefer | 00:29:11 | |
to run on that kind of surface. | 00:29:18 | |
There's that, and along these trails we see either an educational moment. | 00:29:25 | |
They could be signage that talks about the history of the school, plantings, whatever, and you could also incorporate since skate, | 00:29:30 | |
skate and bike facilities were brought up a lot in the survey. | 00:29:36 | |
You could incorporate some furniture, scalable pieces, or little moments where people could kind of ride their bike up a berm or | 00:29:44 | |
something, you know, something fun that can all be incorporated within that trail system. | 00:29:51 | |
As we go to the next slide, please. | 00:29:59 | |
And so concept B, all the same big pieces are in the same spot. The only thing is that we see the kind of pathways meandering a | 00:30:02 | |
little bit more is more curve, which allows us to get a little bit more distance. We get about 1/4 of a mile more. | 00:30:10 | |
More pathways on the site. | 00:30:20 | |
But with that we do start to eat in a little bit of that spectator buffer. | 00:30:23 | |
You can go to the next slide please. | 00:30:28 | |
So here they are side by side, so you can kind of compare them against each other. And really the differences between the two is | 00:30:32 | |
concept A is a little bit simpler in form. We get a little bit more field space with this concept, but less pathways, garden | 00:30:39 | |
space, dog park and playground. And concept B we get a little bit more of an organic shape that flow. We kind of meandering paths | 00:30:47 | |
which get us more pathways, garden space, dog park and playground, but just slightly less field space. | 00:30:54 | |
And really it's just the spectator buffer, so. | 00:31:02 | |
Great. I'll pass it over to Ryan to talk about the fun stuff. Money. | 00:31:05 | |
Can I ask you a couple of quick questions actually before we move on to the money just fast? | 00:31:12 | |
So from a capacity standpoint, current fields, number of fields there is it kind of on par with with with what's being used field | 00:31:15 | |
wise? | 00:31:19 | |
Lee, I wonder if you want to answer this one for us? | 00:31:25 | |
If you know, I don't. | 00:31:28 | |
My numbers, so they they play depends on the year and then the age of the participants. So they have I think it's 7 on 7/9 on 9:00 | 00:31:30 | |
and 11:00 on 11. So right now they're playing 111 on 11 and 29 on nines. | 00:31:38 | |
So this is. | 00:31:48 | |
Maybe slightly less, but it's sort of the compromise between the full use right now they have the sort of the southern half is to. | 00:31:50 | |
Nine on nines and then they play one in that eastern edge. And then I assume that from this buffer for spectators. And then I | 00:32:02 | |
assume that similar to parking spot allocations and that there's some type of the concept B would be adequate is presumed to be | 00:32:09 | |
adequate based off of field sizes and anticipated load and that kind of a thing I'm guessing. Is that right? | 00:32:16 | |
I don't know how much of A science it is, but yeah, yeah, OK. | 00:32:26 | |
Any other questions? | 00:32:31 | |
Well, great to be back with you tonight. Just a reminder, framing kind of the purpose of the conversation or somewhere midway | 00:32:35 | |
through this process. And so it's a great opportunity to show you what concepts are emerging as we've been engaging with city | 00:32:40 | |
staff. | 00:32:44 | |
Stakeholders. | 00:32:50 | |
Hearing things from the public and even that resident meeting that we had here, these concepts. | 00:32:51 | |
Give you a sense of what balancing all those things would look like, Jonathan, if you want to jump forward for us. | 00:32:57 | |
What might these look like in terms of cost, Right. So a couple of things that we've learned over the last few years, very | 00:33:05 | |
important to present when we talk about costs. As Gina mentioned, we've seen significant inflation over the last few years. So if | 00:33:11 | |
you're thinking about this in in reference to say Knudsen Park for instance, what we're talking about here is a 12 acre site which | 00:33:17 | |
is large, it's significant. | 00:33:23 | |
There's an existing building on site and what we're talking about cost wise is total replacement of everything that you see on the | 00:33:31 | |
site. So just know there are opportunities to reduce costs if that's something the city would like to do. And just remember also. | 00:33:39 | |
Projects can always be phased, so no one is saying everything needs to be done all at once. There are lots of different funding | 00:33:47 | |
mechanisms, grants, opportunities to fund different pieces of this, so just know that this could happen in a phased way overtime. | 00:33:54 | |
We've engaged a cost estimator. | 00:34:02 | |
Construction Control Corporation. | 00:34:05 | |
One of the best in the industry, works here locally, very familiar with with costs and we thought that was really important to | 00:34:08 | |
best serve holidays and make decisions. | 00:34:12 | |
The numbers that we're presenting right again, we're at a conceptual level that is done with intent to allow the Council. | 00:34:16 | |
At a kind of midway stage through this process, the opportunity to weigh in and say, whoa, this is this is costing more than we | 00:34:23 | |
had anticipated or we like where this is coming in, explore these further. So changes can still be made at this phase as I guess | 00:34:28 | |
what I'm saying. | 00:34:32 | |
The numbers that we're looking at are in $2024.00, so if they were to bid at some point this year. | 00:34:37 | |
That seems not not feasible or likely based on what Gene is described right. You're looking ahead at your your fiscal budget for | 00:34:44 | |
next year. So if you look at bidding something like this and next year assume 8% inflation is what the the market is looking at | 00:34:51 | |
right now year over year. Again, we're all sort of taking out our crystal ball trying to guess where the market goes next. | 00:34:57 | |
The last thing I'd like to say, because of the conceptual nature of what we're looking at, these prices could vary you. You could | 00:35:05 | |
come down 15 or 20% based on some of the decisions you made. | 00:35:10 | |
If we, if we've added more scope items to this park project, you could go up 15 or 20%. So just know that your decisions still can | 00:35:16 | |
dramatically impact this one way or the other. So maybe Jonathan, the best thing to do is to just jump to the comparison slide for | 00:35:24 | |
purposes of of getting us to a point where we allow you more, more opportunities to. | 00:35:31 | |
To weigh in, so Lauren has outlined for you concepts A&B. | 00:35:40 | |
We could look. | 00:35:46 | |
As low as 8.3 million or as high as just over 9 million here. So what are some of the differences? | 00:35:49 | |
As you know, there's there are unforeseen, you do the best that you can to predict it, but a new construction project typically | 00:36:26 | |
hasn't a cost contingency of about 5%. | 00:36:32 | |
A renovation or historic reuse like that you you build in maybe say 15% into your budget 'cause they're just unknowns that come | 00:36:38 | |
up, but there are some really significant opportunities there to repurpose. | 00:36:43 | |
Some of them were signature spaces of Spring Lane Elementary as future kind of outdoor pavilion space, open air, but retaining | 00:36:49 | |
some of what's been built there and and really recognizing the heritage of the site. | 00:36:55 | |
And and as Lauren mentioned, the courtyard garden is a key component to be maintained at least as as that piece would be fully | 00:37:01 | |
integrated into the park. | 00:37:06 | |
In this current concept. | 00:37:11 | |
The other things that would be different would be the amount of plantings at the perimeter. Organic pathways with curvilinear | 00:37:13 | |
edges do cost more. They look nice. It's something we all appreciate in park spaces, but they cost a little bit more money. | 00:37:20 | |
I should also mention that another way that costs could be brought down if you desired is currently this estimating anticipates | 00:37:27 | |
total replacement and expansion of the parking. If you wanted to say we we leave the existing parking as is, we add in that's one | 00:37:34 | |
opportunity you could have to bring down costs initially and think about this project in a phased sort of way. Couple of things | 00:37:41 | |
that are not in here that the city would need to think about that I'd like to flag for you. | 00:37:48 | |
Simply because we don't know what the relationship of the nature of the contract with Granite District would be. There's no | 00:37:57 | |
demolition of the building. | 00:38:01 | |
In here currently, right, That's because we don't know exactly what the conditions of the contract with Granite School District | 00:38:05 | |
would be and we haven't made a final decision or or given been given direction with regards to how much adaptive reuse of some of | 00:38:10 | |
that building should we pursue. So know that that number is still out there that could be anywhere from 10 to $12.00 a square | 00:38:15 | |
foot. | 00:38:20 | |
The other thing is typically when pursuing a project like this, what we're showing you are the construction costs. | 00:38:25 | |
Gina and other members of the city staff will build a total project budget for you. That would account for other things like | 00:38:32 | |
design fees, contractor fees for doing the work, any permitting fees that may be associated. Oftentimes you'll include demolition, | 00:38:38 | |
hazardous material abatement, abatement, those kinds of items with land in your total project cost, which were not yet showing. | 00:38:44 | |
We'll know more about that once we get direction from you tonight. | 00:38:51 | |
I think those are the key ideas that we wanted to capture with regards to cost. | 00:38:58 | |
Are there any questions relative to cost or should we open it up for just discussion in general? This is the end of our update | 00:39:03 | |
presentation and we look forward to interaction with you now. | 00:39:08 | |
The cost for the fields, is this anticipating that you would basically take out the old fields, the old plumbing sprinkler system | 00:39:15 | |
and redo them? Thank you, Drew, that's a great question. I should have mentioned that yes, this does anticipate. That's another | 00:39:22 | |
way that you could think about this to either reduce cost or phase it. The field is right. The irrigation is not ideal. In some | 00:39:29 | |
locations, the fields might be described as lumpy. | 00:39:37 | |
It does work for youth soccer, but what is shown in here currently is total replacement of the irrigation system. | 00:39:44 | |
The turf and re leveling of those fields so. | 00:39:52 | |
That's another opportunity that you could consider. | 00:39:58 | |
Along the same lines, what is the state of the current parking lot? You mentioned that this is a complete overhaul, the parking | 00:40:04 | |
lot. Do you have, is it in poor condition, it needs to be overhauled or it's nearing the end of its life, but it is still | 00:40:10 | |
serviceable. Part of the reason that we've included total replacement is that as you'll see in the concept. | 00:40:16 | |
It's kind of a sea of asphalt and it felt appropriate within the concept that's being presented here is that the sense of arrival | 00:40:23 | |
to this local park in Holiday, a city well known for its St. canopy, is to introduce more trees and greenery as you arrive to the | 00:40:28 | |
park itself, no longer needing the same type of large turning radii for buses and other things. There would be an opportunity to | 00:40:34 | |
to make that sense of arrival feel more something that you would typically associate with the city of Holiday, right? A tree | 00:40:40 | |
canopy that grows in over time and. | 00:40:46 | |
Green and shaded, as opposed to what can often be a very hot parking lot condition. But there are still a few years left in the | 00:40:53 | |
life of that asphalt. Another opportunity for phasing here. | 00:40:58 | |
Come on. Up, down. | 00:41:08 | |
One other thing with that part is. | 00:41:10 | |
Striking. | 00:41:14 | |
This is the first time I've heard about a 99 year lease. Is that a thing really? | 00:41:25 | |
So that is not the direction that my conversations with Granite School District have gone, but I'll be interested to hear hear | 00:41:32 | |
more about that. | 00:41:36 | |
That was my notes said. | 00:41:43 | |
That was for verbal notes from a meeting, so it may be that when you get to the final negotiation, that number. | 00:41:47 | |
Yeah, we've been hearing you some closer to like 2025 with options to renew up to 40 and who knows what that's what. | 00:41:55 | |
Discussions have been. | 00:42:02 | |
OK. And then? | 00:42:04 | |
Of course, the demolition. | 00:42:08 | |
Our initial conversations with them had been that they would the school district would deal with demolition once we gave that a | 00:42:12 | |
green light. That's not uncommon. | 00:42:17 | |
Yeah. And that is that is the conversation we've had to date. But to Ryan's point, we have not memorialized that in an agreement | 00:42:23 | |
yet. So I think it was a good idea to flag that as a potential cause. We thought to flag it because it they may be willing to do | 00:42:31 | |
that, but then potentially factor that into part of the finances of a lease agreement. It would be their obligation to explore the | 00:42:38 | |
building and understand if there's any hazardous material that needs to be removed regardless. But we also flagged. | 00:42:46 | |
Point out because we don't quite know yet what the appetite is for some historic adaptive reuse of the facility. That was my | 00:42:54 | |
question does that. | 00:42:58 | |
Complicate or provide opportunities or both for adaptive reuse of some of the elements? I would say it does both. The benefits | 00:43:03 | |
would be that for those who have a strong connection to the school, and there are many that we knew it as Meadow more and now have | 00:43:10 | |
known it more recently as Spring Lane, there are many who have expressed a desire to see at least the courtyard garden component | 00:43:17 | |
retained. We had the opportunity to walk through about two weeks ago with city staff. | 00:43:24 | |
Several from Granite School District. There are several spaces that are quite lovely. The multi-purpose room and the northeastern | 00:43:32 | |
corner is kind of a double height space with a beautiful timber ceiling. We see that as a space that has potential that it could | 00:43:38 | |
be adaptively reused as your pavilion rather than bringing in a new. | 00:43:44 | |
Kind of foreign element to create a pavilion structure. You could adaptively reuse that space. It would require quite a bit of | 00:43:52 | |
work. You'd remove exterior walls, replace lighting. You'd need to do some new things to protect that timber to now, right? It | 00:43:57 | |
would need to be sealed. | 00:44:02 | |
But you wouldn't have, you know, new mechanical needs associated with it. You'll need to address restrooms. | 00:44:08 | |
What's their existing doesn't meet current code for a public use and would need to be replaced Finishes and those sorts of things. | 00:44:16 | |
So there is expense, but you'd have that opportunity to retain something. | 00:44:21 | |
Really important to the community, same way as you've done the City Hall. There's another space on the southern edge of the | 00:44:27 | |
building which also has that same lovely timber ceiling that could be retained for kind of outdoor shade canopies like was being | 00:44:35 | |
depicted in the the project in Santa Fe, NM. So we think there's a strong opportunity. All of this would require seismic updating | 00:44:42 | |
to be brought to current code to make sure that lateral systems in the event of earthquake or strong winds. | 00:44:50 | |
To extend their useful life. | 00:45:28 | |
But we want to understand it would likely. | 00:45:31 | |
Lead to some increased cost, but it has those other benefits which we see. | 00:45:35 | |
So we wanted to understand the council's direction on that before we took it much further, but that is something we're currently | 00:45:41 | |
exploring as adaptive reuse of those two spaces specifically to meet some of the future needs of the park. | 00:45:46 | |
Can you tell us a little bit more about the outreach that occurred with the neighborhood, the neighbors? | 00:45:53 | |
How, how many meetings there were, how they were notified about them, what kind of input you got? Great question. I'm gonna invite | 00:45:59 | |
Leah to answer that. She's been an excellent team member and. | 00:46:03 | |
As useful information so we delivered, we hand delivered Flyers to each of the homes that backs onto the perimeter. And then so we | 00:46:08 | |
had one meeting and we were pretty clear I think with folks that this. | 00:46:15 | |
Was the very beginning of public outreach and we let them know that we would be taking their input. And I think you can go, I | 00:46:23 | |
think it's two slides. | 00:46:26 | |
No one more. | 00:46:32 | |
That one. | 00:46:35 | |
So we invited them to come. We had 22 people come, which I think was almost all of the properties represented. There were maybe | 00:46:38 | |
four that weren't represented. And we had them sit at tables with their neighbors, show them the site we asked them a couple of | 00:46:43 | |
prompts about. | 00:46:48 | |
What they lived about the site, what they wanted, what they'd like to see. | 00:46:54 | |
We had some really great conversations. I thought we stayed the entire, what, two hours and had really great conversations. There | 00:46:58 | |
were questions about whether the building could be reused or it might be reused. What? | 00:47:04 | |
Whether pieces could be reused? | 00:47:13 | |
And then we also let them know, we kept all their e-mail addresses and let them know when the survey had come out so that they | 00:47:16 | |
could see how the. | 00:47:21 | |
Concepts were evolving based on their input, so. | 00:47:26 | |
There hasn't been a lot of engagement since the survey closed yesterday, the day before yesterday. The next step really is to | 00:47:30 | |
start to get some guidance and then we can help your staff communicate back to the public. Here's what we're thinking and whether | 00:47:38 | |
we want to talk about costs and how those things get paid for, right? That was a big piece of the conversation. | 00:47:45 | |
Yeah, and the website, that's right. So the website went up. | 00:47:55 | |
And we will be providing a quick report here in the next week or so about what we're hearing back so we can kind of show what the | 00:48:00 | |
key programming elements are that the public is supporting. | 00:48:07 | |
And we've tried to be pretty clear I think with the public that all of this is pretty high level conceptual pending discussion | 00:48:16 | |
about costs. | 00:48:20 | |
And that there hasn't been any discussion about how any of that might be funded yet. So I think and I think people were pretty, I | 00:48:25 | |
think they understood that fact that it's an investment in the community that we're we're just starting kind of up here with. | 00:48:32 | |
One other item that I'll just add from the resident meeting, we had excellent turn out. It was held in this space. | 00:48:40 | |
Some of the types of things that were mentioned were concerned about this being something different than just a local park. There | 00:48:47 | |
was concern about any items that you might locate here that could seem more like a regional draw right to bring additional parking | 00:48:55 | |
needs or traffic to the area was expressed concerns about hours of operation sound right. There was a lot of discussion about if | 00:49:02 | |
pickleball is here, where would it be located because we know it can be noisy If a dog park goes here, it's. | 00:49:10 | |
The site's already being used sort of de facto as a dog park. Where would it be located? How could it be? | 00:49:18 | |
Patrol to make sure that people are using those facilities properly. | 00:49:24 | |
There were conversations about we don't need something like a skate park here. That type of regional draw need has already been | 00:49:28 | |
met elsewhere in the city. So there was there were general concerns about light at night, sounds, how many people are drawn to the | 00:49:35 | |
site. A lot of focus on people still felt very comfortable about continuing the use of the multi-purpose athletic fields. Walking | 00:49:41 | |
path was very popular. People felt like that would be something. | 00:49:47 | |
Very unifying pavilions and and play equipment for all ages. Those were those are strong themes and if I've forgotten any Leah, | 00:49:55 | |
please. | 00:49:59 | |
Please let me know. But those those came very clearly out of the resident meeting. If we were to look at like a phased approach to | 00:50:03 | |
this, do you already have ideas about order or timing on, on what you would recommend for that? Or is that something that you | 00:50:11 | |
would need to still look into? And we would develop that for our next interaction, which we anticipate being about a month away. | 00:50:18 | |
But absolutely if that's a priority of the council and and we anticipate it likely would be, that's something we often see. | 00:50:25 | |
Plans is tell us which of these items are most important. Let's tackle those first. What would the order of operations be? Could | 00:50:33 | |
you help us identify some funding sources that we could pursue outside of our. | 00:50:39 | |
Our general fund, what grants and types of other alternative funding sources exist, That's not an uncommon request. It's something | 00:50:46 | |
we would anticipate but wanted to understand and receive direction from you all so at at the moment. | 00:50:53 | |
We don't have any specific recommendations, but we have a few thoughts about individual elements and how they could be phased. | 00:51:00 | |
As far as public comment goes, I think she mentioned that the survey was closed a couple of days ago. Is that right? Is there | 00:51:07 | |
procedurally would you anticipate, is that kind of like we've received all the public comment to maybe be a benefit or would you | 00:51:13 | |
anticipate other throughout the process that there would be an additional public engagement? | 00:51:18 | |
That's a great question. | 00:51:24 | |
Really at your discretion. | 00:51:26 | |
I think it. | 00:51:29 | |
Often people like to weigh in on stylistic choices, colors, themes, playground type, equipment, those kinds of pieces. That's a | 00:51:31 | |
great place to do it. | 00:51:36 | |
Every city is different in terms of the way it engages its constituents about funding. That might be another place where you could | 00:51:43 | |
engage folks about priorities or funding. | 00:51:48 | |
We do not have any more engagement planned besides this final sort of reporting back on what the concept plan, what we heard and | 00:51:54 | |
how it reflects what we heard from the public. | 00:51:59 | |
And one other detail just to mention is that. | 00:52:08 | |
Reminding us all that we're at a master plan phase. So right now the most helpful comment is the types of programmatic uses people | 00:52:11 | |
would like to see, the general ambiance of what they hope for, right? We're hearing that this is a local park, not a Regional | 00:52:17 | |
Park. It should meet the needs of this neighborhood 1st and then the rest of the city, of course, but it's not trying to draw | 00:52:24 | |
people from outside of Holiday City to it by any of the uses that are being located here. | 00:52:31 | |
Be really important to understand the attitude towards potential adaptive reuse of some of the building. | 00:52:38 | |
Understanding costs, I mean those are the things that are most important in a master plan. And then of course to the question that | 00:52:45 | |
was asked. | 00:52:47 | |
Phasing. Should the team identify some phasing in here? Those are things that are most important because you'll have if you move | 00:52:51 | |
forward with this and do. | 00:52:55 | |
Enter into an agreement with the school district. You'll have the opportunity to go through a full design phase where all the | 00:53:01 | |
specificities of actual finishes. | 00:53:05 | |
Plant selection, all those types of items will it's, it's very fun to move forward and design. But the master plan stage we're | 00:53:10 | |
kind of putting, so to speak, the big rocks of the project in now the pieces that we love those programmatic items in or we've got | 00:53:16 | |
some concern about this one, maybe that shouldn't be in the master plan. Those are the types of things that are most helpful to | 00:53:21 | |
guiding the city to move forward. | 00:53:26 | |
So, Ryan, knowing that, we have asked you to finalize a concept plan. | 00:53:33 | |
In a short period of time, in a month, What kind of conversation or direction from the Council would be most helpful at this | 00:53:38 | |
point? | 00:53:43 | |
Yeah, great question, Gina. | 00:53:48 | |
If you have any, if any, of the programmatic areas that we've shown? | 00:53:51 | |
That you have concerns with that now would be a great opportunity to say that if you if you were to say. | 00:53:56 | |
You know, I've heard from constituents that we're not comfortable with pickleball. It's accommodated elsewhere. We don't want to | 00:54:03 | |
see it here. | 00:54:06 | |
Part of the reason it's here is that we heard that very significantly through the survey, but there was concern about the noise | 00:54:10 | |
of, of pickleball the the lights in the evening. It's so popular to just draw a lot of people and there was concern expressed at | 00:54:16 | |
the resident meeting. So that's just one example or if you were to say. | 00:54:22 | |
You know, having a small. | 00:54:30 | |
Off leash dog area, is that the right approach? Those types of things would be very beneficial. We'd like to continue exploring | 00:54:33 | |
adaptive reuse of just those two areas that I mentioned inside the building for you. | 00:54:39 | |
But understanding if you'd like us to keep exploring that because the further we explore to the point that Gina is asking, we can | 00:54:46 | |
dial in costs and give you more specific. Right now we've given you quite a range of of cost. | 00:54:52 | |
Also understanding if you're did you have any sticker shock with the costs that were shared? | 00:54:58 | |
Should the team be targeting something smaller than that? Those are the types of things that would be really helpful to us because | 00:55:04 | |
we're in that process of refinement and we're at the concept state. So now is now is a great time to find out. Are there elements | 00:55:09 | |
that that you've been hearing that you'd like to see reflected that we're not showing right now? Now is a perfect time to let us | 00:55:15 | |
know or if there are some of these that you say. | 00:55:20 | |
That doesn't feel right. Let's talk about it. Maybe we remove it. Another option is when the master plan completes, we could | 00:55:25 | |
target an area and say this could be a dog park or this could be some other type of use. So a master plan can have some | 00:55:32 | |
flexibility built into it as well if you'd like to, if you're hoping to have more conversation with the community about any of | 00:55:38 | |
these specific items. But what we'd like to do is give you a very useful master plan that has. | 00:55:45 | |
Costs associated with it and some anticipated phasing if that's what it would be most helpful to you. | 00:55:52 | |
So then you can move forward and make decisions what I would anticipate. | 00:55:58 | |
In my past work with many communities, is it that you'll want to see a phased approach to understand which things would be most | 00:56:02 | |
impactful and what could we do over time? And we're happy, happy to do that for you if that's the direction you'd like us to go. | 00:56:09 | |
But sometimes cities have a wealth of impact fees waiting around that need to be utilized. Not our case. It would largely depend | 00:56:16 | |
on grants, would it not? And I suppose in this case this would be expanding service and so it wouldn't be applicable. | 00:56:23 | |
But anyway, there are there are some circumstances we're doing all of it at once is the right choice, but but that's rare. | 00:56:30 | |
Well, early on in the process with the steering committee, some of the broad direction we provided, which I think you you've done | 00:56:38 | |
a great job at integrating those things are we, we didn't want to have amenities that were going to have significant ongoing | 00:56:44 | |
maintenance costs. So we wanted to keep the those amenities to be maintainable, sustainable and not because we're not a growing | 00:56:50 | |
city. | 00:56:57 | |
Like other places with Greenfield development, so our budget doesn't grow with growing population like some other places. So we | 00:57:04 | |
wanted to make sure that the amenities were reasonable for ongoing maintenance and I think this looks great for that. | 00:57:12 | |
Also, yeah, when you first see that price, it is there is some sticker shock, but then think if we can phase it over because we | 00:57:23 | |
certainly couldn't you know gobble 8 or 9 million in a single budget year since our total annual budget is. | 00:57:29 | |
You know less than 20, right? | 00:57:35 | |
So what's 22 now? I think when I-15 was in my head, I think when we I first joined the council. So it's good, but. | 00:57:37 | |
So yeah, to be able to phase it and then. | 00:57:46 | |
But with regard to some adaptive reuse, I think there's been general consensus with the steering committee overtime, but nothing's | 00:57:50 | |
been decided. Nothing's been decided, but we were trying to figure out, is there any way to, you know, does it make sense to keep | 00:57:56 | |
part of the building? | 00:58:02 | |
And the general consensus was in terms of having an ongoing indoor facility, no, that makes zero sense to me. And no one could | 00:58:08 | |
seem to make a whole lot of sense of that. But elements such as those beams, you know, if we were to integrate those those kind of | 00:58:15 | |
iconic beams in the lunchroom assembly area into the pavilion to, to reflect that history would be great, you know, if that | 00:58:22 | |
didn't. | 00:58:29 | |
Create a, you know, an additional cost problem, but perhaps even ameliorate some cost, but to to keep that. | 00:58:36 | |
And then of course, there's that, you know, funky cubic facade, which may not it's, you know, physically itself need to be kept | 00:58:44 | |
unless that could be realistically done. But if if there's some sort of in the. | 00:58:52 | |
In the decorative scheme to try to give reflect that sort of history, whether it's you know on the pavilion or you know, in some | 00:59:00 | |
of the cement work to kind of to pay homage to to that. | 00:59:07 | |
Element of the school that was there for so long. So in terms of that sort of adaptive reuse of elements, but but not an adaptive | 00:59:15 | |
reuse that that that. | 00:59:20 | |
Contemplates saving a part of the building. | 00:59:26 | |
As an indoor thing, because we thought that having to heat and cool secure staff when we don't really have any staff located over | 00:59:31 | |
there would would create some. | 00:59:37 | |
Unreasonable marginal cost to maintain. So I think just outdoor park, but but being able to you know, reuse some of the elements | 00:59:46 | |
to pay homage to what was there I think is a great idea. And I think we we've had some consensus in that regard on the steering | 00:59:53 | |
committee level. | 00:59:59 | |
With regard to the dog park, I know there's probably not a whole lot of consensus there yet. I I'd like to see it even though I | 01:00:09 | |
don't have a dog. I know a lot of my neighbors have dogs and they like to have a dog park. And I know that in our discussions with | 01:00:15 | |
the county, they indicated that they their dog park plan is fairly empty on the east side in terms of the regional parks. And so | 01:00:21 | |
there wouldn't be a whole lot of. | 01:00:28 | |
Competition, well, we probably have some draw there. | 01:00:35 | |
I don't know if it'd be regional, but there there aren't a whole lot of alternatives. | 01:00:39 | |
Outside of this opportunity on the Salt Lake County Regional Park Plan. | 01:00:46 | |
I know the mayor sort of is a bit, I don't want to speak for him, but for what I've heard him say is he was less convinced that | 01:00:53 | |
that the off leash dog park would be respected in the in terms of they'd only be off leash in there or, or the, you know, having a | 01:01:00 | |
dog park attracts more dogs and thus we have more dog mess. And that that he wasn't as optimistic I was about the quality of dog | 01:01:07 | |
owner behavior. | 01:01:14 | |
Three card having a dog park. | 01:01:22 | |
I was a little more optimistic about that, particularly we could create a culture and signage and neighborhood pressure to behave | 01:01:24 | |
with your dog and that there is this investment made for your dog to be over there off leash and so implying that outside the dog | 01:01:31 | |
park it should be on leash. | 01:01:37 | |
So, so, but, but my point being the rest quite as much consensus on the dog park element as as on some of the other elements. So I | 01:01:44 | |
don't know if that's helpful. I, I don't, I haven't been in the same meetings that you've been in. But I think because of the | 01:01:52 | |
problems that we're having at a lot of the elementary schools with dogs, I think it's a great idea to have a place to send them | 01:01:59 | |
because as you say, there's a dearth of options on the east side. So I I. | 01:02:06 | |
I think that there's reasonable concerns for dog owner behavior, but right now those are spread over a lot of the green spaces in | 01:02:15 | |
our city and so. | 01:02:20 | |
Maybe, hopefully we could target that, create a magnet and then work on behavior, yeah. | 01:02:25 | |
I love pickleball and would be excited to have pickleball courts, but I also respect neighbours concerns about noise and I and it | 01:02:32 | |
looks like you've tried to place those centrally located to limit that as much as possible. Do you does anyone know how far that | 01:02:38 | |
sound carries? Like I mean, is this is this just like this is the best place or do we really know that like the neighbors might | 01:02:44 | |
not hear it at that point or? | 01:02:50 | |
OK. | 01:03:02 | |
Okay. | 01:03:05 | |
And it's not involved. | 01:03:19 | |
And. | 01:03:25 | |
I know that there are a lot of presidential homes around there. | 01:03:33 | |
And I love the idea that should be. | 01:03:36 | |
Treaties and the scrubber that you can have planted around it would be extremely appreciated and helpful. And I also think the | 01:03:42 | |
light side has probably lights being on constantly and it's like a Walmart parking lot and. | 01:03:50 | |
I know that they would be in the city functioning. | 01:04:00 | |
And can go on. So after midnight. So I think that's a plus and I'm sure there are regulations that wouldn't have to be off. | 01:04:08 | |
Because they have one. | 01:04:24 | |
Interesting. | 01:04:50 | |
Let me just interrupt for one, one second. This is we're really. | 01:05:02 | |
And I wanted to tell you, all of a sudden, the popular fans just just. | 01:05:07 | |
And I called the artist and she he told me the field was probably in miles and miles to go. Interesting. | 01:05:15 | |
This this is really an opportunity for us to hear from the. | 01:05:27 | |
Architects and we are looking forward to opportunities for public input for sure we want we want to hear from everyone, but we | 01:05:32 | |
want to be sure we get through your presentation and the council's questions on this so that you can get the direction that you | 01:05:38 | |
need. For my part, I think the elements, the programmatic elements look look good I. | 01:05:44 | |
I don't have strong feelings about pickleball, but I know others do, so I'm happy to sort of take the community's lead on that. | 01:05:51 | |
I'm very interested in phasing because I think that'll just make it a more workable project for the city. | 01:06:01 | |
And then I, I think the adaptive reuse to some of the elements of the school is actually really important because I think there's. | 01:06:07 | |
A real emotional connection to from the community to the school because of. | 01:06:15 | |
People that went there, people who sent their kids there, and I think just in terms of having a sense of place in the city, | 01:06:20 | |
preserving some of that is is really important so. | 01:06:25 | |
Those would be my points. | 01:06:31 | |
No, it's not Regine. It's not public comment Regine. | 01:06:37 | |
Thank you. | 01:06:42 | |
No. Well. | 01:06:43 | |
OK, thanks. Any other comments from the council? Speaking of noise, has anyone spoken with A? | 01:06:47 | |
Anybody in the church? | 01:06:56 | |
That's right next door. I mean, we are working on that, Dave. | 01:06:58 | |
They have a very large organization so we are now in contact with them and hoping to schedule one of these same one-on-one | 01:07:03 | |
meetings. | 01:07:07 | |
For a couple of reasons. 1 Is that the access off of Screen Lane that a lot of people are using? Right. That's through the church, | 01:07:14 | |
yeah. | 01:07:18 | |
Property, they have a pavilion on their lawn that is quite well used and we do also see a lot of dogs on their side of the | 01:07:25 | |
property. And so we do want to run this concept by them and make sure that they use and what we're proposing here doesn't conflict | 01:07:32 | |
with anything and then also try to tie down that. | 01:07:38 | |
Shared access right, because the position of the pickleball courts is. | 01:07:45 | |
We don't have to get in the weeds on this, but do we have any sort of idea about the nature and level of contribution of Impact | 01:08:21 | |
Soccer to the? | 01:08:25 | |
Ongoing maintenance or what's typical? I mean, one thing is. | 01:08:31 | |
They didn't provide us with a dollar amount. | 01:08:37 | |
The Granite School district want to share that or is that something that's. | 01:08:41 | |
Yeah, I have their existing contract and I just don't remember off the top, OK. But we have that information basically. And the | 01:08:46 | |
one thing also I that concerns me that you know what, what their tolerance would because particularly the, I mean the fields as | 01:08:53 | |
they are are adequately usable for that purpose. And if they're going to be the primary user, that's probably not going to be the | 01:09:00 | |
first on my list to prioritize if they're usable as is and they would be the primary user. | 01:09:07 | |
And because everything I was considering is right now they're using it as a secondary use because it's primary use is a what had | 01:09:16 | |
been a school and it's used for recess and such. And then they were just kind of a marginal user for, you know, as a secondary | 01:09:24 | |
sort of user going forward with this plan, they kind of become the primary user, which kind of tells me that. | 01:09:33 | |
It's no longer just marginal, marginal cost, empty airline seats, pricing. | 01:09:42 | |
Scenario, if they're going to be a primary user, we may want to see what additional pain they can tolerate with regard to, you | 01:09:48 | |
know, if we're going to engage in a, you know, multi $1,000,000 park with a big chunk of it going to improving the fields where | 01:09:54 | |
there are primary user. | 01:10:00 | |
Because we're also talking about a regional user impact soccer as a regional drop, the one regional draw that would be in this | 01:10:07 | |
park where the rest of it, we're trying to keep fairly local use. | 01:10:13 | |
Councilmember, if we should ask them about what they're experiencing with maintenance right now? | 01:10:20 | |
I know that they had mentioned that at Bonneville, the Bonneville Middle School, they had receded and rested the fields for two | 01:10:26 | |
years and I believe that was that impact cost. So I, I, I suspect they have some knowledge about the irrigation system and its | 01:10:33 | |
functionality that we could probably ask them for as well to kind of see. | 01:10:40 | |
Whether a more immediate fix is needed or how long that can be maintained and that kind of thing. And then to to Ryan's point | 01:10:48 | |
about grants and funding, youth soccer is a big sport in Utah and that we also have a couple of. | 01:10:55 | |
Premier teams, so there's always opportunities for partnerships with groups like Utah Youth Soccer and those kinds of things, so | 01:11:04 | |
it's really possible. | 01:11:08 | |
Well we love grant money, always great at getting it to. This whole park back here was almost named Holly City Park and Holiday | 01:11:13 | |
City Park. | 01:11:17 | |
Well, I'm glad that you are perceiving what the intent of sharing the budgetary figures was. It's a bit of a menu of options right | 01:11:24 | |
now and it allows you to see what do some of these things cost and and the type of conversation we're having is just what we | 01:11:28 | |
hoped, which is. | 01:11:33 | |
Now that I see how much it costs, is that really my priority? People are already making do with it as is. Is that one of the first | 01:11:39 | |
things we want to do? | 01:11:43 | |
If we make a change, are there partners who could help us implement the finances of that? So this is just the type of conversation | 01:11:47 | |
we hope to have. Part of the reason we don't have detailed information to share with you on all of this is because we didn't, we | 01:11:53 | |
didn't want to get ahead of the council on this. We wanted to hear your thoughts and questions and then we can follow up with the | 01:11:59 | |
stakeholders and ask some of these more specific conversations, but only in lockstep with your guidance. | 01:12:05 | |
I'll just say piggyback in on what well, I agree with Paul entirely on the on the 1,000,007 is a steep price tag for those fields | 01:12:12 | |
that are largely used by Impact, right. And then also with Matt on the phased approach, my appetite for it frankly would be | 01:12:19 | |
largely dependent on the availability of grant money in a phased approach as as that availability comes. And the other question I | 01:12:26 | |
guess I would pose is I don't know if there's any data that's available that shows and maybe it's completely. | 01:12:33 | |
Dependent on the region and things like that, but from a cost benefit standpoint. | 01:12:42 | |
You know, like for example, the dog park. I I don't know. | 01:12:48 | |
What the proximity of the next closest dog park is, how big of a draw it tends to bring. I know that we do have issues that | 01:12:53 | |
convert elementary and some probably ever every elementary with the dog issue. But, but realistically, how far could we expect | 01:12:59 | |
that this would alleviate that issue, You know, and I don't know if there's any, you know, any estimates at least or, or anything | 01:13:05 | |
along those lines and. | 01:13:11 | |
Let's see anyways, yeah, and then I'd love to see. | 01:13:19 | |
A proposal as to how you would phase it again probably from a cost benefit standpoint largely right excellent. So we'll plan to to | 01:13:22 | |
explore phasing with the steering committee we've been meeting with. And to your question about the dog park, I think we should re | 01:13:28 | |
engage the county because in our interaction with them it was very clear that they have done kind of regional study of this and | 01:13:34 | |
they were excited about the fact that this was it was being considered here because there is a dearth of it on the east side. So | 01:13:40 | |
we can. | 01:13:46 | |
What additional information they have and our team will do some additional research. That way we can report back to you at our | 01:13:52 | |
next interaction and money that they have available if they're excited about it too. So yeah. | 01:13:57 | |
Great. | 01:14:03 | |
Has water efficiency and sustainability been any part of your analysis, especially with respect to the athletic fields? That's | 01:14:04 | |
that's a big part of it. One of the things we learned in talking with the district is the inefficiency of the current irrigation. | 01:14:10 | |
It appeared as though the irrigation water could be dramatically reduced and we could explore what I mean by that in terms of | 01:14:16 | |
percentages. When we come back to let you know, that's not an uncommon thing for, for people to ask, but we've seen other | 01:14:22 | |
projects. | 01:14:28 | |
Irrigation used by 50% by using newer updated systems that don't have leaks, cracks aren't throwing more water than needed, all | 01:14:34 | |
those kinds of things. So we can report on that as well. | 01:14:40 | |
These are great questions. | 01:14:49 | |
Any other questions or comments? | 01:14:51 | |
Thank you very much. This has been really, really helpful and very exciting to think about. And thanks for spending the time to | 01:14:56 | |
come talk to us tonight. Absolutely. We're glad you want to be engaged this way and we're planning on about a month from now. | 01:15:02 | |
So that it fits right in line with. | 01:15:08 | |
Budget season. So thank you. Coincidentally, thank you, thank you. | 01:15:11 | |
Thanks very much. | 01:15:18 | |
The only other thing we have on our agenda tonight is just to review the calendar. I think we have meetings set for next Thursday | 01:15:20 | |
and the 16th and then June 6th and 13th and July 11th. A budget season is here. | 01:15:27 | |
So there will be opportunities to meet together and talk about that. | 01:15:34 | |
Any other comments or questions from the Council? | 01:15:40 | |
If not, I will entertain a motion to adjourn. Mr. Chair, move to adjourn. Second. | 01:15:44 | |
All in favor, aye. Thank you. We're adjourned. | 01:15:50 |
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Ready. | 00:00:02 | |
OK, it's 5:30, so I think we'll get started. I want to welcome everyone to our City Council meeting tonight. | 00:00:05 | |
Miss Mayor Dolly, who's not here, so I'm filling in for him and we'll start with a Pledge of Allegiance. | 00:00:12 | |
Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, | 00:00:23 | |
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. | 00:00:30 | |
OK, we have. | 00:00:41 | |
Kind of a short agenda tonight, but we're going to start with public comment if there's anyone here that would like to address the | 00:00:43 | |
City Council during the public comment period. | 00:00:47 | |
We always like to hear from Trudy. | 00:00:53 | |
It's always good news, right? Trudy from the library, just to let you know, the things that happened in April that were really | 00:00:56 | |
awesome in April, we finished tax season that was great. We with the help of the AARP volunteers, approximately 1500 people had | 00:01:02 | |
their taxes done at the Holiday Library. | 00:01:08 | |
Last month was also library month and as I said before that we are, we went fine free on juvenile and young adult materials, which | 00:01:16 | |
is awesome. And it was food for fine. So if you brought in a donation of food and we had a pallet in there which is kind of big in | 00:01:22 | |
our small branch, but it was full when they took it away. So thanks to the generosity of everybody in the community. | 00:01:29 | |
Umm, the seed library has been going on for a while now and it's going to end, so you have until the 11th. The 11th will be the | 00:01:36 | |
last day of the seed library to come get your seeds to plant your gardens. I. | 00:01:43 | |
May is Inventors Month, and to celebrate Inventors Month on the 10th we're going to have a tech and toy museum that you can come | 00:01:50 | |
at 1:00 and you can see things that my very young librarians are calling artifacts. | 00:01:56 | |
Probably things I own. | 00:02:03 | |
The 15th will be an after school crew dedicated to outer space and on the 21st there will be a program for littles that is hands | 00:02:06 | |
on rocket science. | 00:02:10 | |
It will be exciting. | 00:02:15 | |
On the 25th, that's the 4th Saturday, we have a health and Wellness exploration. We've been doing sound bathing in May that's | 00:02:18 | |
going to switch and they're going to do meditation and breath work, so you're welcome to come and relax. | 00:02:24 | |
And just a little glimmer for the future, June 1st is when summer readings starts. So the big kickoff party that's in this area is | 00:02:31 | |
going to be at the Mill Creek branch this year. So that's from 5:00 to 8:00 on Friday, May 31st. So you can go have some fun at | 00:02:37 | |
the Mill Creek Library to kick off summer reading. | 00:02:44 | |
And of course, we will be closed on the 27th for Memorial Day. And that's what's happening at the library. Thank you. Thanks. | 00:02:51 | |
Do you have anyone else here for public comment? | 00:02:59 | |
If not, we'll next hear from Gina. | 00:03:05 | |
Her presentation for the Tentative budget for 20/24/25. | 00:03:08 | |
Thank you. | 00:03:15 | |
Earlier today, you should have received the tentative budget proposal for the City's fiscal 202425 fiscal year. The budget | 00:03:18 | |
represents the combined work of our staff and our contracted agencies who began working on budget preparation earlier this year. I | 00:03:25 | |
really appreciate the work of all who have been involved in that effort to bring you that tentative budget today. | 00:03:33 | |
The last several years have been both challenging and exciting for Holiday. Holiday is continuing to implement the city's plan for | 00:03:42 | |
financial sustainability and infrastructure improvement. The city's most recent bond issued two years ago has allowed us to make | 00:03:49 | |
significant improvements on our neighborhood streets, which our residents are certainly seeing. And in the next year, we'll see | 00:03:56 | |
many stormwater infrastructure projects completed, making a much more robust network for storm water in our city. | 00:04:03 | |
In February of 2023, the council at that time identified several priorities to guide city activities over the next 10 years. | 00:04:12 | |
In February of this year, this Council revisited and refined those priorities and focused on five. | 00:04:21 | |
Priority areas, the first being a safe community. | 00:04:29 | |
Second, excellent public assets and infrastructure. Third, responsive, efficient and sustainable city government. 4th, responsible | 00:04:34 | |
development that enhances community. And finally. | 00:04:41 | |
You wanted to prioritize holiday continuing to be a great place to live. | 00:04:50 | |
Within those priorities are several specific goals that you would like to see achieved, and additional details about those goals | 00:04:55 | |
is found in the budget document that you have. | 00:04:59 | |
This budget has really been developed with those identified priorities in mind. | 00:05:05 | |
The budget also priority prioritizes our city employees, providing a cost of living adjustment and targeted market increases to | 00:05:10 | |
make sure holiday attracts and retains high quality staff to best serve our residents. | 00:05:17 | |
After several years of double digit growth in sales tax, fueled by the collection of sales tax for online sales, pandemic spending | 00:05:26 | |
and inflation. | 00:05:30 | |
Those things have slowed down and so sales tax growth in holiday has really stalled over the past year. | 00:05:36 | |
Sales tax growth over the preceding three years had allowed us to keep place. | 00:05:44 | |
Case with inflationary pressures on both our services and on our project costs, with next year's sales tax collections currently | 00:05:49 | |
projected to be at the same level as was budgeted for our current year, we can't rely any longer on that source of revenue to fund | 00:05:56 | |
our own expense changes. | 00:06:03 | |
With council support, this tentative budget includes a proposed 15% increase in the city's property tax rate. For a holiday home | 00:06:11 | |
valued at tax year 2023's average price of $871,000, this increase would be about $95 a year, or about $8 monthly. Should the | 00:06:20 | |
council wish to proceed with that increase, a truth and taxation hearing will occur in August before that tax rate is adopted. | 00:06:30 | |
This budget also reflects a number of inflationary cost increases for the city, as well as some significant changes in the cost of | 00:06:41 | |
our contracts to provide key municipal services. | 00:06:46 | |
The largest dollar change in the budget is in a change in providing change in how we will be providing. | 00:06:51 | |
Police service in our community with a legislative mandate to remove the sheriff. Salt Lake County as the Executive Unified Police | 00:06:59 | |
Department. | 00:07:03 | |
You PD is experiencing considerable cost increases in the cost of providing services. Holiday has remained committed to the this | 00:07:08 | |
model of providing police services, recognizing that our residents are better served by a model that has the ability to provide a | 00:07:16 | |
wealth of resources when we need them and when we can share the cost of those specialized services with other communities. | 00:07:24 | |
Council is also in the midst of considering two large potential projects, one of which we're going to spend some time talking | 00:07:33 | |
about tonight. | 00:07:37 | |
And the other which we spent some time talking about last week, the seismic reinforcement in our nearly 100 year old facility. | 00:07:41 | |
While the tentative budget includes a few items associated with those projects, it does not yet develop a full funding strategy | 00:07:49 | |
for either project. During the next several weeks, as the council continues to talk about these projects, we'll look for guidance | 00:07:56 | |
on how you wish to include those items in the budget that you'll adopt in June. | 00:08:03 | |
So this proposed budget includes budgets for the city's general fund and that totals about $22.2 million. Also includes the budget | 00:08:11 | |
for the cities Capital Projects fund, storm water fund, debt service grants and arts fund. | 00:08:19 | |
And budgets for the redevelopment agencies projects, both the Cottonwood Mall project and Holiday Village are also included in | 00:08:28 | |
this document. I really am look forward to talking about city priorities and this document in the coming weeks. | 00:08:37 | |
Next week, we will do an overview of the budget in much more detail. We'll talk about those revenue assumptions. | 00:08:47 | |
And then we'll spend we'll spend time talking about the storm water fund and our capital projects and parks. | 00:08:55 | |
And then May 16th, we'll talk USA. | 00:09:03 | |
Administration, Justice, Court and Community and Economic Development. June 6th will be UPD as well as our public hearing on the | 00:09:09 | |
budget. We'll we'll also talk about our committees at that point grants and debt service looking toward a June 13th budget | 00:09:15 | |
adoption. | 00:09:21 | |
So with that, I'm happy to take questions. We're happy to sit down and move on to the next. | 00:09:29 | |
Well, first of all, thank you very much for putting this together and for. | 00:09:38 | |
Gathering all the information and thank your staff for their help too. I know this is a huge project and you barely get it done | 00:09:42 | |
one year but then you're starting it up for the next year so thank you. | 00:09:47 | |
Can you just remind us what our kind of statutory obligations are with respect to a timeline? Sure. So I. | 00:09:52 | |
In terms of the timeline, you have a responsibility to adopt A budget by the 30th of June and A and I may be reversing these two | 00:10:00 | |
and a tax rate by the 22nd of June. And then if you are increasing beyond the certified rate, so if you are moving forward with | 00:10:10 | |
that 15% tax increase, another public hearing would be scheduled in August and then at that time you could make changes. | 00:10:20 | |
In in the rate that is proposed and then would readopt in that time frame as well. | 00:10:30 | |
Does anybody have any questions for Gina? | 00:10:39 | |
OK, thanks. | 00:10:45 | |
With that. | 00:10:49 | |
I would consider a motion to. | 00:10:51 | |
Acknowledge receipt and adoption of the Tentative Budget. | 00:10:54 | |
Mr. Chair, I move consideration or approval of resolution just as a matter of explanation. First, just to clarify, we are not | 00:11:00 | |
adopting the budget, just the tentative budget and acknowledging its receipt. So as as Gina mentioned, over the next several | 00:11:07 | |
weeks, we'll be digging into it more deeply and then doing a formal resolution to accept the budget after several runs through it | 00:11:14 | |
and possible edits and amendments. So tonight's resolution is just acknowledging receipt and adopting. | 00:11:21 | |
Budget as is, so with that. | 00:11:29 | |
I move approval of Resolution 2024-16 acknowledging receipt and adopting the tentative budget for 24/20/24 and 25 fiscal year. | 00:11:31 | |
2nd. | 00:11:41 | |
We have a motion and a second. | 00:11:43 | |
Council Member Brewer Yes. Councilmember Fotheringham Yes. Councilmember Quinn Yes. Councilmember Gray, yes. And I also vote yes. | 00:11:46 | |
So with that, I think we have adopted the. | 00:11:53 | |
Or we've acknowledged receipt and adopted the tentative budget for 20/24/25. | 00:12:00 | |
Thank you. Is the setting of the public hearing for June 6th part of that resolution? | 00:12:07 | |
I don't know from a formality standpoint, I don't know if that. | 00:12:16 | |
Needs to be stated or not, but yeah. | 00:12:19 | |
Great. | 00:12:23 | |
With that, I would accept. I would. | 00:12:27 | |
Entertain a motion to move into our work meeting. | 00:12:31 | |
Chair Durham, I move that we recess now into our work meeting. | 00:12:39 | |
We can just see this by voice. Voice, correct? | 00:12:46 | |
All in favor say aye aye. | 00:12:51 | |
OK, we are in our work meeting. | 00:12:54 | |
And I think our first item is the adaptive reunion initial presentation for the Spring Lane project. | 00:12:57 | |
Presentation. | 00:13:19 | |
There we go. | 00:13:21 | |
OK, well my name is Dan Smith. I work for MHT and Architects. I'm a landscape architect and we've been working on the Spring Lane | 00:13:25 | |
adaptive reuse plan the past few months and. | 00:13:30 | |
We met previously to kind of discuss a few things and we're just here to give you an update of the progress. | 00:13:36 | |
Umm, Tonight we're going to go over a few things, Um. | 00:13:42 | |
I'll let everyone kind of introduce themselves when they stand up to speak, but Leah is going to 1st kind of go over a lot of the | 00:13:47 | |
public engagement element of the project and and the progress there. Lauren from MHTN is going to. | 00:13:54 | |
Go over the kind of the concept plans and present some kind of exciting. | 00:14:01 | |
Graphics and things. | 00:14:07 | |
To consider and discuss and then Ryan from age stand is also going to be talking a little bit about cost estimate information | 00:14:09 | |
concerning those left him the numbers and the. | 00:14:15 | |
Yeah, they get the fun stuff at the end. | 00:14:23 | |
Um, but it's been really exciting project and. | 00:14:27 | |
And I'll let everyone kind of. | 00:14:31 | |
You know, chime in, but. | 00:14:35 | |
We're just going to continue. | 00:14:38 | |
Obviously working on this over the next month and I. | 00:14:40 | |
Hopefully. | 00:14:45 | |
You guys will be happy with the progress tonight. I'll let Lee go ahead and you're back. | 00:14:47 | |
Yeah. And we'll go to the next slide here and talk about. | 00:14:53 | |
The next items here I kind of already went over the agenda. | 00:15:01 | |
But we'll talk about the concept surveys and website information that has happened. | 00:15:04 | |
Hey, I'm Leah Jeremiah. I'm a public engagement consultant with David Evans and Associates. | 00:15:11 | |
Let's go to the next slide. I'm going to give you. There's a lot on these sites. I'm not going to read them all to you. We've been | 00:15:17 | |
doing quite a bit of public engagement work. We started with stakeholder meetings with the most immediately impacted stakeholders, | 00:15:22 | |
so that includes. | 00:15:27 | |
Out of order of slides, but granted school district Impact United which is a big user of this site, Cottonwood Country Club which | 00:15:33 | |
is a similar sort of outdoor recreation use adjacent to the site and the immediate residence. So we had some one-on-one meetings | 00:15:40 | |
with these key stakeholders and learned that more than 4000 players in Impact United leagues. | 00:15:48 | |
Are using this site in Bonneville Middle School together. It's kind of their hub set of fields. | 00:15:56 | |
So when we approached them about site reuse, they were a little bit nervous. They used the fields up to three fields at the site | 00:16:03 | |
weekdays from 4:00 to 8:00 and weekend days all day long. We also learned that there's quite a bit of competition for multi use | 00:16:09 | |
fields on the east bench in Salt Lake. I am a soccer mom and have been driving all over the valley with my daughter who plays | 00:16:16 | |
soccer. | 00:16:22 | |
To access sports fields and it was not something that I had really thought about, but cross even peewee baseball. | 00:16:30 | |
Soccer are big sports in our valley and also on the east side, all competing. | 00:16:37 | |
We learned that Impact United does contribute funds and also labor and service to help maintain the fields that they play on, | 00:16:43 | |
which is a great service that they are providing to kind of help augment their use. | 00:16:48 | |
We talked to the Country Club. They don't see the site as competitive in any way. They have their own membership, but a lot of | 00:16:55 | |
community members are using it. They're really the only interface they'd had with the site was that they sometimes use it as | 00:17:00 | |
overflow parking when they have a big event. So no real competition there, although they know that. | 00:17:06 | |
Folks like pickleball, which we'll talk a little bit more about later. We'll go to the next slide. | 00:17:14 | |
Please. So as you likely know, Granite School District is. | 00:17:19 | |
Has offered or is entertaining a 99 year lease at a fairly discounted rate. Their intent really has been. | 00:17:25 | |
To approve or review a plan from Holiday City that Holiday City wants to see and their their goal there is really to a. | 00:17:33 | |
Provide a community use in an open space the kind of only caveat that I think we heard from them was that they want to be able to | 00:17:42 | |
preserve their ability to read to access the site in the event of some sort of natural disaster so I'm. | 00:17:50 | |
Maybe not. Gina's favorite example of my favorite example is not building a water park on the site that uses the entire site in a | 00:17:59 | |
way that you couldn't put mobile buildings or things on at a later time. | 00:18:05 | |
So. | 00:18:12 | |
They're very interested in learning more about what this plan. | 00:18:14 | |
Entails once you have all had your input on it. | 00:18:17 | |
We'll go to the next slide. As you all likely know, there is a Regional Park plan in progress for the holiday Lions Creekside | 00:18:20 | |
Hillview Basin complex, which is actually on. Maybe let's go to the next slide. | 00:18:27 | |
So this is a map from their master plan, which we can provide the links to you, but they're changing up a bit of the usage, but | 00:18:36 | |
not a lot of the usage. Creekside, which is on your bottom left will remain a golf, a disc golf course. It's a very popular disc | 00:18:42 | |
golf course. We don't see any sort of competition or reuse of that type of program. They the holiday line say, as you all know is | 00:18:49 | |
incredibly. | 00:18:55 | |
Well utilized for sports so they are looking at adding some more sporting fields on the sort of central. | 00:19:03 | |
East side and they're looking at some more natural use in that sort of northern portion as well as some trails. So some of the | 00:19:08 | |
things that we wanted to learn from them were about walking trails, shade dog parks in particular, so that we are supporting use | 00:19:15 | |
but not competing. | 00:19:21 | |
So. | 00:19:28 | |
Which are all good things, because then we had a neighborhood workshop. | 00:19:33 | |
Which is our next slide. We invited folks who back onto the site. | 00:19:38 | |
What we wanted to do there was really understand what. | 00:19:43 | |
Potential uses could be problematic for adjacent neighbors or things that they are already seeing that are happening that they | 00:19:47 | |
like or don't like, right. We didn't want to present any kind of concept that would, you know, receive a lot of pushback from | 00:19:53 | |
adjacent property owners and residents. So I was really surprised, and I've said this to our team in other places in the Valley, | 00:19:59 | |
people are really encouraging a lot of turf removal. And when we engaged in some conversations around that, everyone said, where | 00:20:05 | |
are those kids? | 00:20:10 | |
Play soccer. So we folks in the neighborhood are used to what's happening at the site. They had some great ideas about ways that | 00:20:17 | |
it can be improved, but they weren't looking to completely change the way that it's operating. There wasn't anything there that we | 00:20:24 | |
saw as deeply problematic about the way the site is is being accessed or used. So that was great. A lot of what they said is shown | 00:20:32 | |
on this slide and I think it's also reflected very clearly in the survey. So we'll jump to that. Folks love. | 00:20:39 | |
View of the mountains from the site. They like the open fields, they like the. | 00:20:47 | |
Use that it could have as walking trails or dog park, which is a huge piece. We're seeing a lot of dog park use there now and | 00:20:54 | |
there were some complaints from folks about the fact that dog waste is not being managed very well that a lot of dogs are off | 00:21:02 | |
leash and just sort of in the in the whole site. And we saw a very a pretty significant write in set of comments around. | 00:21:10 | |
Dog parks, walking trails and those kinds of amenities. | 00:21:19 | |
We had this is 630, but I think when we closed we were closer to 680 responses, which is I think pretty great. We had a lot of | 00:21:25 | |
comments about things that. | 00:21:31 | |
Or maybe also not. | 00:21:37 | |
Included in something that the city would entertain, which were splash pads, pools and sort of large water play. So as we go on in | 00:21:39 | |
the slide a little bit, we'll talk about that, but. | 00:21:46 | |
A lot of requests for pickleball, some real excitement about some of the other features that my teammates will talk about here. | 00:21:54 | |
So with that, we have a couple of FAQs that we've drafted on the next slide, and we're also happy to take your input on this. But | 00:22:02 | |
we've kind of tried to explain how this input will inform the process. So the concepts that you're going to see today are | 00:22:08 | |
different from what you've seen before because we've been incorporating that feedback as we've gone. | 00:22:15 | |
There was not a lot of pushback. There were a few comments that said no dog park, but there wasn't a lot of pushback on dog parks. | 00:22:23 | |
And what we know about dog parks is that when you provide a place that's clear and obvious and the amenities that go with it, | 00:22:29 | |
trash cans and dog waste bags, people are better about cleaning up after themselves. It's not a perfect solution, but putting a | 00:22:36 | |
dog park that's clearly designated is. It tends to provide better use than just sort of leaving it unmanaged. | 00:22:42 | |
We addressed that sort of multi use field competition thing that's happening here and then we also address. | 00:22:50 | |
Any kind of water that would be reused as opposed to like the water pump at. | 00:22:57 | |
Knudsen Park that that water is kind of a single use. It doesn't need to be treated. | 00:23:05 | |
So as you all consider this, and if you have other questions that you think your constituents or neighbors might have, let us | 00:23:11 | |
know. We're happy to include those in the FAQs. | 00:23:15 | |
And Morgan is going to talk about the concept and I'm sure that will raise a good discussion of how we've arrived at these. | 00:23:20 | |
Thanks. | 00:23:28 | |
Thanks, Leah. Hi, everyone. My name is Lauren Leisman. I am a planner at MHT and Architects. I'm going to walk us through the | 00:23:32 | |
concepts. So what you're seeing here on the slides are just kind of what we were drawing and figuring out with just internally | 00:23:39 | |
with our team, but then also with the steering committee kind of came up with and we gave them pieces to kind of where do those | 00:23:46 | |
big pieces land? But so those all played a big part in the design. Oh, next slide, please. | 00:23:52 | |
So with all the survey input, focus group, all of that and meeting with the steering committee, we decided to start really high | 00:24:01 | |
level and just create these bubble diagrams. And these are really just to kind of narrow down what are some options of where these | 00:24:08 | |
bubbles land, where do these big pieces fall and what kind of organization strategy do we like the best? | 00:24:15 | |
So we presented 3 concepts to the steering committee. And after much discussion and great, it all kind of landed on concept three | 00:24:23 | |
really being the larger parking lot. Because understanding the kind of with so much activity happening, we're going to need some | 00:24:31 | |
parking space for people who'll get busy on the weekends and on those on those big days. And then really leaving a big open space | 00:24:38 | |
for multi-purpose field use. | 00:24:46 | |
If you'd like to go to the next slide. | 00:24:53 | |
So while we were working on this, we were starting to pull some ideas and inspiration from other projects within the in this | 00:24:57 | |
country and then internationally as well. | 00:25:02 | |
One we really want to kind of focus on is shown at the bottom right corner and that's the rail yard rail yards in Santa Fe, NM | 00:25:09 | |
where they reused a lot of the material from the existing use to build to incorporate within the park. So they use like the real | 00:25:16 | |
railroad ties and things like that to build pergolas and pavilions and things like that. So we found that to be a really great | 00:25:23 | |
kind of precedent for this project. | 00:25:30 | |
So yeah, take some time to look into that at some point. Next slide, please. | 00:25:39 | |
So with using kind of concept 3 as a template, we put together 2 sub concepts. So we've got concept A and concept B. They're both | 00:25:45 | |
almost exactly the same. The only difference between the two is just how we've laid out the trailways, the pathways. | 00:25:54 | |
So I'm going to kind of walk us through the site and then I'll show you what Concept B looks like. So with the kind of expanded | 00:26:04 | |
and redesigned parking lot, we're seeing a potential of 188 parking stalls, which is over 100 more that's current than that's | 00:26:11 | |
currently on the site. So that's great. As we move kind of to the center middle, we see a pavilion with restrooms. The pavilion | 00:26:19 | |
could be a new build or it could, you know, reuse some of the materials from the school. | 00:26:26 | |
Like those great awesome large structural beams could be reused to to kind of build the pavilion and then of course maintaining | 00:26:34 | |
the courtyard garden, which kind of is what we heard a lot from all parties would be really great to to keep. | 00:26:41 | |
And then at the center, understanding noise of pickleball courts. | 00:26:50 | |
That we kind of wanted to centrally locate them far away from the residents so that we could kind of dampen the the noise that | 00:26:56 | |
would come from that. | 00:27:00 | |
As we move to the east side, we are showing a dog park. We do understand that could be a pretty loud use as well and we are right | 00:27:05 | |
next to those neighbors. So we envision some sort of like densely vegetating that kind of east edge, maybe incorporating some | 00:27:12 | |
berms to kind of block visual and some sound issues that might come from the dog park. | 00:27:20 | |
As we move just below the pavilion and courtyard area, that kind of light brown area is a playground and that's 3/4 of an acre, | 00:27:28 | |
which is really big. As we're kind of continuing to refine this concept, we we could fit a small pump track, bouldering wall, | 00:27:35 | |
climbing wall. Those are the kind of amenities that popped up a lot in the survey as well as just a space for traditional kind of | 00:27:41 | |
playground equipment. | 00:27:48 | |
And then of course, the big piece of this is the five acres of multi filled use space, multi-purpose field space. We are showing 2 | 00:27:56 | |
full size soccer fields of course that can be used for many. And then that kind of mid tone green around them is 20 to 30 feet of | 00:28:04 | |
spectator space. Either could be flexed, it could be overflow. | 00:28:12 | |
For games or team needs to play on to that, it can be used for that. | 00:28:20 | |
And then all around the edges of this site, we see the dark green or where we see kind of perennial plantings, some gardens, | 00:28:26 | |
something pretty to look at, as well as maybe some buildings up, some more berms on the side to kind of help create a buffer for | 00:28:33 | |
those residents to the east and the West. But then also to kind of give an option if there are those really big game days on the | 00:28:41 | |
site, it could be some seating for people. | 00:28:48 | |
That are watching the game. | 00:28:55 | |
And then on the out, on the very outside, we see, we're showing kind of a double path. We see a concrete path which was really | 00:28:58 | |
requested on the survey. So that goes all the way around and that's about a half a mile. And then the kind of the darker the brown | 00:29:04 | |
path next to it we see is potentially like a crushed granite gravel path that people could ride their bikes on or if they prefer | 00:29:11 | |
to run on that kind of surface. | 00:29:18 | |
There's that, and along these trails we see either an educational moment. | 00:29:25 | |
They could be signage that talks about the history of the school, plantings, whatever, and you could also incorporate since skate, | 00:29:30 | |
skate and bike facilities were brought up a lot in the survey. | 00:29:36 | |
You could incorporate some furniture, scalable pieces, or little moments where people could kind of ride their bike up a berm or | 00:29:44 | |
something, you know, something fun that can all be incorporated within that trail system. | 00:29:51 | |
As we go to the next slide, please. | 00:29:59 | |
And so concept B, all the same big pieces are in the same spot. The only thing is that we see the kind of pathways meandering a | 00:30:02 | |
little bit more is more curve, which allows us to get a little bit more distance. We get about 1/4 of a mile more. | 00:30:10 | |
More pathways on the site. | 00:30:20 | |
But with that we do start to eat in a little bit of that spectator buffer. | 00:30:23 | |
You can go to the next slide please. | 00:30:28 | |
So here they are side by side, so you can kind of compare them against each other. And really the differences between the two is | 00:30:32 | |
concept A is a little bit simpler in form. We get a little bit more field space with this concept, but less pathways, garden | 00:30:39 | |
space, dog park and playground. And concept B we get a little bit more of an organic shape that flow. We kind of meandering paths | 00:30:47 | |
which get us more pathways, garden space, dog park and playground, but just slightly less field space. | 00:30:54 | |
And really it's just the spectator buffer, so. | 00:31:02 | |
Great. I'll pass it over to Ryan to talk about the fun stuff. Money. | 00:31:05 | |
Can I ask you a couple of quick questions actually before we move on to the money just fast? | 00:31:12 | |
So from a capacity standpoint, current fields, number of fields there is it kind of on par with with with what's being used field | 00:31:15 | |
wise? | 00:31:19 | |
Lee, I wonder if you want to answer this one for us? | 00:31:25 | |
If you know, I don't. | 00:31:28 | |
My numbers, so they they play depends on the year and then the age of the participants. So they have I think it's 7 on 7/9 on 9:00 | 00:31:30 | |
and 11:00 on 11. So right now they're playing 111 on 11 and 29 on nines. | 00:31:38 | |
So this is. | 00:31:48 | |
Maybe slightly less, but it's sort of the compromise between the full use right now they have the sort of the southern half is to. | 00:31:50 | |
Nine on nines and then they play one in that eastern edge. And then I assume that from this buffer for spectators. And then I | 00:32:02 | |
assume that similar to parking spot allocations and that there's some type of the concept B would be adequate is presumed to be | 00:32:09 | |
adequate based off of field sizes and anticipated load and that kind of a thing I'm guessing. Is that right? | 00:32:16 | |
I don't know how much of A science it is, but yeah, yeah, OK. | 00:32:26 | |
Any other questions? | 00:32:31 | |
Well, great to be back with you tonight. Just a reminder, framing kind of the purpose of the conversation or somewhere midway | 00:32:35 | |
through this process. And so it's a great opportunity to show you what concepts are emerging as we've been engaging with city | 00:32:40 | |
staff. | 00:32:44 | |
Stakeholders. | 00:32:50 | |
Hearing things from the public and even that resident meeting that we had here, these concepts. | 00:32:51 | |
Give you a sense of what balancing all those things would look like, Jonathan, if you want to jump forward for us. | 00:32:57 | |
What might these look like in terms of cost, Right. So a couple of things that we've learned over the last few years, very | 00:33:05 | |
important to present when we talk about costs. As Gina mentioned, we've seen significant inflation over the last few years. So if | 00:33:11 | |
you're thinking about this in in reference to say Knudsen Park for instance, what we're talking about here is a 12 acre site which | 00:33:17 | |
is large, it's significant. | 00:33:23 | |
There's an existing building on site and what we're talking about cost wise is total replacement of everything that you see on the | 00:33:31 | |
site. So just know there are opportunities to reduce costs if that's something the city would like to do. And just remember also. | 00:33:39 | |
Projects can always be phased, so no one is saying everything needs to be done all at once. There are lots of different funding | 00:33:47 | |
mechanisms, grants, opportunities to fund different pieces of this, so just know that this could happen in a phased way overtime. | 00:33:54 | |
We've engaged a cost estimator. | 00:34:02 | |
Construction Control Corporation. | 00:34:05 | |
One of the best in the industry, works here locally, very familiar with with costs and we thought that was really important to | 00:34:08 | |
best serve holidays and make decisions. | 00:34:12 | |
The numbers that we're presenting right again, we're at a conceptual level that is done with intent to allow the Council. | 00:34:16 | |
At a kind of midway stage through this process, the opportunity to weigh in and say, whoa, this is this is costing more than we | 00:34:23 | |
had anticipated or we like where this is coming in, explore these further. So changes can still be made at this phase as I guess | 00:34:28 | |
what I'm saying. | 00:34:32 | |
The numbers that we're looking at are in $2024.00, so if they were to bid at some point this year. | 00:34:37 | |
That seems not not feasible or likely based on what Gene is described right. You're looking ahead at your your fiscal budget for | 00:34:44 | |
next year. So if you look at bidding something like this and next year assume 8% inflation is what the the market is looking at | 00:34:51 | |
right now year over year. Again, we're all sort of taking out our crystal ball trying to guess where the market goes next. | 00:34:57 | |
The last thing I'd like to say, because of the conceptual nature of what we're looking at, these prices could vary you. You could | 00:35:05 | |
come down 15 or 20% based on some of the decisions you made. | 00:35:10 | |
If we, if we've added more scope items to this park project, you could go up 15 or 20%. So just know that your decisions still can | 00:35:16 | |
dramatically impact this one way or the other. So maybe Jonathan, the best thing to do is to just jump to the comparison slide for | 00:35:24 | |
purposes of of getting us to a point where we allow you more, more opportunities to. | 00:35:31 | |
To weigh in, so Lauren has outlined for you concepts A&B. | 00:35:40 | |
We could look. | 00:35:46 | |
As low as 8.3 million or as high as just over 9 million here. So what are some of the differences? | 00:35:49 | |
As you know, there's there are unforeseen, you do the best that you can to predict it, but a new construction project typically | 00:36:26 | |
hasn't a cost contingency of about 5%. | 00:36:32 | |
A renovation or historic reuse like that you you build in maybe say 15% into your budget 'cause they're just unknowns that come | 00:36:38 | |
up, but there are some really significant opportunities there to repurpose. | 00:36:43 | |
Some of them were signature spaces of Spring Lane Elementary as future kind of outdoor pavilion space, open air, but retaining | 00:36:49 | |
some of what's been built there and and really recognizing the heritage of the site. | 00:36:55 | |
And and as Lauren mentioned, the courtyard garden is a key component to be maintained at least as as that piece would be fully | 00:37:01 | |
integrated into the park. | 00:37:06 | |
In this current concept. | 00:37:11 | |
The other things that would be different would be the amount of plantings at the perimeter. Organic pathways with curvilinear | 00:37:13 | |
edges do cost more. They look nice. It's something we all appreciate in park spaces, but they cost a little bit more money. | 00:37:20 | |
I should also mention that another way that costs could be brought down if you desired is currently this estimating anticipates | 00:37:27 | |
total replacement and expansion of the parking. If you wanted to say we we leave the existing parking as is, we add in that's one | 00:37:34 | |
opportunity you could have to bring down costs initially and think about this project in a phased sort of way. Couple of things | 00:37:41 | |
that are not in here that the city would need to think about that I'd like to flag for you. | 00:37:48 | |
Simply because we don't know what the relationship of the nature of the contract with Granite District would be. There's no | 00:37:57 | |
demolition of the building. | 00:38:01 | |
In here currently, right, That's because we don't know exactly what the conditions of the contract with Granite School District | 00:38:05 | |
would be and we haven't made a final decision or or given been given direction with regards to how much adaptive reuse of some of | 00:38:10 | |
that building should we pursue. So know that that number is still out there that could be anywhere from 10 to $12.00 a square | 00:38:15 | |
foot. | 00:38:20 | |
The other thing is typically when pursuing a project like this, what we're showing you are the construction costs. | 00:38:25 | |
Gina and other members of the city staff will build a total project budget for you. That would account for other things like | 00:38:32 | |
design fees, contractor fees for doing the work, any permitting fees that may be associated. Oftentimes you'll include demolition, | 00:38:38 | |
hazardous material abatement, abatement, those kinds of items with land in your total project cost, which were not yet showing. | 00:38:44 | |
We'll know more about that once we get direction from you tonight. | 00:38:51 | |
I think those are the key ideas that we wanted to capture with regards to cost. | 00:38:58 | |
Are there any questions relative to cost or should we open it up for just discussion in general? This is the end of our update | 00:39:03 | |
presentation and we look forward to interaction with you now. | 00:39:08 | |
The cost for the fields, is this anticipating that you would basically take out the old fields, the old plumbing sprinkler system | 00:39:15 | |
and redo them? Thank you, Drew, that's a great question. I should have mentioned that yes, this does anticipate. That's another | 00:39:22 | |
way that you could think about this to either reduce cost or phase it. The field is right. The irrigation is not ideal. In some | 00:39:29 | |
locations, the fields might be described as lumpy. | 00:39:37 | |
It does work for youth soccer, but what is shown in here currently is total replacement of the irrigation system. | 00:39:44 | |
The turf and re leveling of those fields so. | 00:39:52 | |
That's another opportunity that you could consider. | 00:39:58 | |
Along the same lines, what is the state of the current parking lot? You mentioned that this is a complete overhaul, the parking | 00:40:04 | |
lot. Do you have, is it in poor condition, it needs to be overhauled or it's nearing the end of its life, but it is still | 00:40:10 | |
serviceable. Part of the reason that we've included total replacement is that as you'll see in the concept. | 00:40:16 | |
It's kind of a sea of asphalt and it felt appropriate within the concept that's being presented here is that the sense of arrival | 00:40:23 | |
to this local park in Holiday, a city well known for its St. canopy, is to introduce more trees and greenery as you arrive to the | 00:40:28 | |
park itself, no longer needing the same type of large turning radii for buses and other things. There would be an opportunity to | 00:40:34 | |
to make that sense of arrival feel more something that you would typically associate with the city of Holiday, right? A tree | 00:40:40 | |
canopy that grows in over time and. | 00:40:46 | |
Green and shaded, as opposed to what can often be a very hot parking lot condition. But there are still a few years left in the | 00:40:53 | |
life of that asphalt. Another opportunity for phasing here. | 00:40:58 | |
Come on. Up, down. | 00:41:08 | |
One other thing with that part is. | 00:41:10 | |
Striking. | 00:41:14 | |
This is the first time I've heard about a 99 year lease. Is that a thing really? | 00:41:25 | |
So that is not the direction that my conversations with Granite School District have gone, but I'll be interested to hear hear | 00:41:32 | |
more about that. | 00:41:36 | |
That was my notes said. | 00:41:43 | |
That was for verbal notes from a meeting, so it may be that when you get to the final negotiation, that number. | 00:41:47 | |
Yeah, we've been hearing you some closer to like 2025 with options to renew up to 40 and who knows what that's what. | 00:41:55 | |
Discussions have been. | 00:42:02 | |
OK. And then? | 00:42:04 | |
Of course, the demolition. | 00:42:08 | |
Our initial conversations with them had been that they would the school district would deal with demolition once we gave that a | 00:42:12 | |
green light. That's not uncommon. | 00:42:17 | |
Yeah. And that is that is the conversation we've had to date. But to Ryan's point, we have not memorialized that in an agreement | 00:42:23 | |
yet. So I think it was a good idea to flag that as a potential cause. We thought to flag it because it they may be willing to do | 00:42:31 | |
that, but then potentially factor that into part of the finances of a lease agreement. It would be their obligation to explore the | 00:42:38 | |
building and understand if there's any hazardous material that needs to be removed regardless. But we also flagged. | 00:42:46 | |
Point out because we don't quite know yet what the appetite is for some historic adaptive reuse of the facility. That was my | 00:42:54 | |
question does that. | 00:42:58 | |
Complicate or provide opportunities or both for adaptive reuse of some of the elements? I would say it does both. The benefits | 00:43:03 | |
would be that for those who have a strong connection to the school, and there are many that we knew it as Meadow more and now have | 00:43:10 | |
known it more recently as Spring Lane, there are many who have expressed a desire to see at least the courtyard garden component | 00:43:17 | |
retained. We had the opportunity to walk through about two weeks ago with city staff. | 00:43:24 | |
Several from Granite School District. There are several spaces that are quite lovely. The multi-purpose room and the northeastern | 00:43:32 | |
corner is kind of a double height space with a beautiful timber ceiling. We see that as a space that has potential that it could | 00:43:38 | |
be adaptively reused as your pavilion rather than bringing in a new. | 00:43:44 | |
Kind of foreign element to create a pavilion structure. You could adaptively reuse that space. It would require quite a bit of | 00:43:52 | |
work. You'd remove exterior walls, replace lighting. You'd need to do some new things to protect that timber to now, right? It | 00:43:57 | |
would need to be sealed. | 00:44:02 | |
But you wouldn't have, you know, new mechanical needs associated with it. You'll need to address restrooms. | 00:44:08 | |
What's their existing doesn't meet current code for a public use and would need to be replaced Finishes and those sorts of things. | 00:44:16 | |
So there is expense, but you'd have that opportunity to retain something. | 00:44:21 | |
Really important to the community, same way as you've done the City Hall. There's another space on the southern edge of the | 00:44:27 | |
building which also has that same lovely timber ceiling that could be retained for kind of outdoor shade canopies like was being | 00:44:35 | |
depicted in the the project in Santa Fe, NM. So we think there's a strong opportunity. All of this would require seismic updating | 00:44:42 | |
to be brought to current code to make sure that lateral systems in the event of earthquake or strong winds. | 00:44:50 | |
To extend their useful life. | 00:45:28 | |
But we want to understand it would likely. | 00:45:31 | |
Lead to some increased cost, but it has those other benefits which we see. | 00:45:35 | |
So we wanted to understand the council's direction on that before we took it much further, but that is something we're currently | 00:45:41 | |
exploring as adaptive reuse of those two spaces specifically to meet some of the future needs of the park. | 00:45:46 | |
Can you tell us a little bit more about the outreach that occurred with the neighborhood, the neighbors? | 00:45:53 | |
How, how many meetings there were, how they were notified about them, what kind of input you got? Great question. I'm gonna invite | 00:45:59 | |
Leah to answer that. She's been an excellent team member and. | 00:46:03 | |
As useful information so we delivered, we hand delivered Flyers to each of the homes that backs onto the perimeter. And then so we | 00:46:08 | |
had one meeting and we were pretty clear I think with folks that this. | 00:46:15 | |
Was the very beginning of public outreach and we let them know that we would be taking their input. And I think you can go, I | 00:46:23 | |
think it's two slides. | 00:46:26 | |
No one more. | 00:46:32 | |
That one. | 00:46:35 | |
So we invited them to come. We had 22 people come, which I think was almost all of the properties represented. There were maybe | 00:46:38 | |
four that weren't represented. And we had them sit at tables with their neighbors, show them the site we asked them a couple of | 00:46:43 | |
prompts about. | 00:46:48 | |
What they lived about the site, what they wanted, what they'd like to see. | 00:46:54 | |
We had some really great conversations. I thought we stayed the entire, what, two hours and had really great conversations. There | 00:46:58 | |
were questions about whether the building could be reused or it might be reused. What? | 00:47:04 | |
Whether pieces could be reused? | 00:47:13 | |
And then we also let them know, we kept all their e-mail addresses and let them know when the survey had come out so that they | 00:47:16 | |
could see how the. | 00:47:21 | |
Concepts were evolving based on their input, so. | 00:47:26 | |
There hasn't been a lot of engagement since the survey closed yesterday, the day before yesterday. The next step really is to | 00:47:30 | |
start to get some guidance and then we can help your staff communicate back to the public. Here's what we're thinking and whether | 00:47:38 | |
we want to talk about costs and how those things get paid for, right? That was a big piece of the conversation. | 00:47:45 | |
Yeah, and the website, that's right. So the website went up. | 00:47:55 | |
And we will be providing a quick report here in the next week or so about what we're hearing back so we can kind of show what the | 00:48:00 | |
key programming elements are that the public is supporting. | 00:48:07 | |
And we've tried to be pretty clear I think with the public that all of this is pretty high level conceptual pending discussion | 00:48:16 | |
about costs. | 00:48:20 | |
And that there hasn't been any discussion about how any of that might be funded yet. So I think and I think people were pretty, I | 00:48:25 | |
think they understood that fact that it's an investment in the community that we're we're just starting kind of up here with. | 00:48:32 | |
One other item that I'll just add from the resident meeting, we had excellent turn out. It was held in this space. | 00:48:40 | |
Some of the types of things that were mentioned were concerned about this being something different than just a local park. There | 00:48:47 | |
was concern about any items that you might locate here that could seem more like a regional draw right to bring additional parking | 00:48:55 | |
needs or traffic to the area was expressed concerns about hours of operation sound right. There was a lot of discussion about if | 00:49:02 | |
pickleball is here, where would it be located because we know it can be noisy If a dog park goes here, it's. | 00:49:10 | |
The site's already being used sort of de facto as a dog park. Where would it be located? How could it be? | 00:49:18 | |
Patrol to make sure that people are using those facilities properly. | 00:49:24 | |
There were conversations about we don't need something like a skate park here. That type of regional draw need has already been | 00:49:28 | |
met elsewhere in the city. So there was there were general concerns about light at night, sounds, how many people are drawn to the | 00:49:35 | |
site. A lot of focus on people still felt very comfortable about continuing the use of the multi-purpose athletic fields. Walking | 00:49:41 | |
path was very popular. People felt like that would be something. | 00:49:47 | |
Very unifying pavilions and and play equipment for all ages. Those were those are strong themes and if I've forgotten any Leah, | 00:49:55 | |
please. | 00:49:59 | |
Please let me know. But those those came very clearly out of the resident meeting. If we were to look at like a phased approach to | 00:50:03 | |
this, do you already have ideas about order or timing on, on what you would recommend for that? Or is that something that you | 00:50:11 | |
would need to still look into? And we would develop that for our next interaction, which we anticipate being about a month away. | 00:50:18 | |
But absolutely if that's a priority of the council and and we anticipate it likely would be, that's something we often see. | 00:50:25 | |
Plans is tell us which of these items are most important. Let's tackle those first. What would the order of operations be? Could | 00:50:33 | |
you help us identify some funding sources that we could pursue outside of our. | 00:50:39 | |
Our general fund, what grants and types of other alternative funding sources exist, That's not an uncommon request. It's something | 00:50:46 | |
we would anticipate but wanted to understand and receive direction from you all so at at the moment. | 00:50:53 | |
We don't have any specific recommendations, but we have a few thoughts about individual elements and how they could be phased. | 00:51:00 | |
As far as public comment goes, I think she mentioned that the survey was closed a couple of days ago. Is that right? Is there | 00:51:07 | |
procedurally would you anticipate, is that kind of like we've received all the public comment to maybe be a benefit or would you | 00:51:13 | |
anticipate other throughout the process that there would be an additional public engagement? | 00:51:18 | |
That's a great question. | 00:51:24 | |
Really at your discretion. | 00:51:26 | |
I think it. | 00:51:29 | |
Often people like to weigh in on stylistic choices, colors, themes, playground type, equipment, those kinds of pieces. That's a | 00:51:31 | |
great place to do it. | 00:51:36 | |
Every city is different in terms of the way it engages its constituents about funding. That might be another place where you could | 00:51:43 | |
engage folks about priorities or funding. | 00:51:48 | |
We do not have any more engagement planned besides this final sort of reporting back on what the concept plan, what we heard and | 00:51:54 | |
how it reflects what we heard from the public. | 00:51:59 | |
And one other detail just to mention is that. | 00:52:08 | |
Reminding us all that we're at a master plan phase. So right now the most helpful comment is the types of programmatic uses people | 00:52:11 | |
would like to see, the general ambiance of what they hope for, right? We're hearing that this is a local park, not a Regional | 00:52:17 | |
Park. It should meet the needs of this neighborhood 1st and then the rest of the city, of course, but it's not trying to draw | 00:52:24 | |
people from outside of Holiday City to it by any of the uses that are being located here. | 00:52:31 | |
Be really important to understand the attitude towards potential adaptive reuse of some of the building. | 00:52:38 | |
Understanding costs, I mean those are the things that are most important in a master plan. And then of course to the question that | 00:52:45 | |
was asked. | 00:52:47 | |
Phasing. Should the team identify some phasing in here? Those are things that are most important because you'll have if you move | 00:52:51 | |
forward with this and do. | 00:52:55 | |
Enter into an agreement with the school district. You'll have the opportunity to go through a full design phase where all the | 00:53:01 | |
specificities of actual finishes. | 00:53:05 | |
Plant selection, all those types of items will it's, it's very fun to move forward and design. But the master plan stage we're | 00:53:10 | |
kind of putting, so to speak, the big rocks of the project in now the pieces that we love those programmatic items in or we've got | 00:53:16 | |
some concern about this one, maybe that shouldn't be in the master plan. Those are the types of things that are most helpful to | 00:53:21 | |
guiding the city to move forward. | 00:53:26 | |
So, Ryan, knowing that, we have asked you to finalize a concept plan. | 00:53:33 | |
In a short period of time, in a month, What kind of conversation or direction from the Council would be most helpful at this | 00:53:38 | |
point? | 00:53:43 | |
Yeah, great question, Gina. | 00:53:48 | |
If you have any, if any, of the programmatic areas that we've shown? | 00:53:51 | |
That you have concerns with that now would be a great opportunity to say that if you if you were to say. | 00:53:56 | |
You know, I've heard from constituents that we're not comfortable with pickleball. It's accommodated elsewhere. We don't want to | 00:54:03 | |
see it here. | 00:54:06 | |
Part of the reason it's here is that we heard that very significantly through the survey, but there was concern about the noise | 00:54:10 | |
of, of pickleball the the lights in the evening. It's so popular to just draw a lot of people and there was concern expressed at | 00:54:16 | |
the resident meeting. So that's just one example or if you were to say. | 00:54:22 | |
You know, having a small. | 00:54:30 | |
Off leash dog area, is that the right approach? Those types of things would be very beneficial. We'd like to continue exploring | 00:54:33 | |
adaptive reuse of just those two areas that I mentioned inside the building for you. | 00:54:39 | |
But understanding if you'd like us to keep exploring that because the further we explore to the point that Gina is asking, we can | 00:54:46 | |
dial in costs and give you more specific. Right now we've given you quite a range of of cost. | 00:54:52 | |
Also understanding if you're did you have any sticker shock with the costs that were shared? | 00:54:58 | |
Should the team be targeting something smaller than that? Those are the types of things that would be really helpful to us because | 00:55:04 | |
we're in that process of refinement and we're at the concept state. So now is now is a great time to find out. Are there elements | 00:55:09 | |
that that you've been hearing that you'd like to see reflected that we're not showing right now? Now is a perfect time to let us | 00:55:15 | |
know or if there are some of these that you say. | 00:55:20 | |
That doesn't feel right. Let's talk about it. Maybe we remove it. Another option is when the master plan completes, we could | 00:55:25 | |
target an area and say this could be a dog park or this could be some other type of use. So a master plan can have some | 00:55:32 | |
flexibility built into it as well if you'd like to, if you're hoping to have more conversation with the community about any of | 00:55:38 | |
these specific items. But what we'd like to do is give you a very useful master plan that has. | 00:55:45 | |
Costs associated with it and some anticipated phasing if that's what it would be most helpful to you. | 00:55:52 | |
So then you can move forward and make decisions what I would anticipate. | 00:55:58 | |
In my past work with many communities, is it that you'll want to see a phased approach to understand which things would be most | 00:56:02 | |
impactful and what could we do over time? And we're happy, happy to do that for you if that's the direction you'd like us to go. | 00:56:09 | |
But sometimes cities have a wealth of impact fees waiting around that need to be utilized. Not our case. It would largely depend | 00:56:16 | |
on grants, would it not? And I suppose in this case this would be expanding service and so it wouldn't be applicable. | 00:56:23 | |
But anyway, there are there are some circumstances we're doing all of it at once is the right choice, but but that's rare. | 00:56:30 | |
Well, early on in the process with the steering committee, some of the broad direction we provided, which I think you you've done | 00:56:38 | |
a great job at integrating those things are we, we didn't want to have amenities that were going to have significant ongoing | 00:56:44 | |
maintenance costs. So we wanted to keep the those amenities to be maintainable, sustainable and not because we're not a growing | 00:56:50 | |
city. | 00:56:57 | |
Like other places with Greenfield development, so our budget doesn't grow with growing population like some other places. So we | 00:57:04 | |
wanted to make sure that the amenities were reasonable for ongoing maintenance and I think this looks great for that. | 00:57:12 | |
Also, yeah, when you first see that price, it is there is some sticker shock, but then think if we can phase it over because we | 00:57:23 | |
certainly couldn't you know gobble 8 or 9 million in a single budget year since our total annual budget is. | 00:57:29 | |
You know less than 20, right? | 00:57:35 | |
So what's 22 now? I think when I-15 was in my head, I think when we I first joined the council. So it's good, but. | 00:57:37 | |
So yeah, to be able to phase it and then. | 00:57:46 | |
But with regard to some adaptive reuse, I think there's been general consensus with the steering committee overtime, but nothing's | 00:57:50 | |
been decided. Nothing's been decided, but we were trying to figure out, is there any way to, you know, does it make sense to keep | 00:57:56 | |
part of the building? | 00:58:02 | |
And the general consensus was in terms of having an ongoing indoor facility, no, that makes zero sense to me. And no one could | 00:58:08 | |
seem to make a whole lot of sense of that. But elements such as those beams, you know, if we were to integrate those those kind of | 00:58:15 | |
iconic beams in the lunchroom assembly area into the pavilion to, to reflect that history would be great, you know, if that | 00:58:22 | |
didn't. | 00:58:29 | |
Create a, you know, an additional cost problem, but perhaps even ameliorate some cost, but to to keep that. | 00:58:36 | |
And then of course, there's that, you know, funky cubic facade, which may not it's, you know, physically itself need to be kept | 00:58:44 | |
unless that could be realistically done. But if if there's some sort of in the. | 00:58:52 | |
In the decorative scheme to try to give reflect that sort of history, whether it's you know on the pavilion or you know, in some | 00:59:00 | |
of the cement work to kind of to pay homage to to that. | 00:59:07 | |
Element of the school that was there for so long. So in terms of that sort of adaptive reuse of elements, but but not an adaptive | 00:59:15 | |
reuse that that that. | 00:59:20 | |
Contemplates saving a part of the building. | 00:59:26 | |
As an indoor thing, because we thought that having to heat and cool secure staff when we don't really have any staff located over | 00:59:31 | |
there would would create some. | 00:59:37 | |
Unreasonable marginal cost to maintain. So I think just outdoor park, but but being able to you know, reuse some of the elements | 00:59:46 | |
to pay homage to what was there I think is a great idea. And I think we we've had some consensus in that regard on the steering | 00:59:53 | |
committee level. | 00:59:59 | |
With regard to the dog park, I know there's probably not a whole lot of consensus there yet. I I'd like to see it even though I | 01:00:09 | |
don't have a dog. I know a lot of my neighbors have dogs and they like to have a dog park. And I know that in our discussions with | 01:00:15 | |
the county, they indicated that they their dog park plan is fairly empty on the east side in terms of the regional parks. And so | 01:00:21 | |
there wouldn't be a whole lot of. | 01:00:28 | |
Competition, well, we probably have some draw there. | 01:00:35 | |
I don't know if it'd be regional, but there there aren't a whole lot of alternatives. | 01:00:39 | |
Outside of this opportunity on the Salt Lake County Regional Park Plan. | 01:00:46 | |
I know the mayor sort of is a bit, I don't want to speak for him, but for what I've heard him say is he was less convinced that | 01:00:53 | |
that the off leash dog park would be respected in the in terms of they'd only be off leash in there or, or the, you know, having a | 01:01:00 | |
dog park attracts more dogs and thus we have more dog mess. And that that he wasn't as optimistic I was about the quality of dog | 01:01:07 | |
owner behavior. | 01:01:14 | |
Three card having a dog park. | 01:01:22 | |
I was a little more optimistic about that, particularly we could create a culture and signage and neighborhood pressure to behave | 01:01:24 | |
with your dog and that there is this investment made for your dog to be over there off leash and so implying that outside the dog | 01:01:31 | |
park it should be on leash. | 01:01:37 | |
So, so, but, but my point being the rest quite as much consensus on the dog park element as as on some of the other elements. So I | 01:01:44 | |
don't know if that's helpful. I, I don't, I haven't been in the same meetings that you've been in. But I think because of the | 01:01:52 | |
problems that we're having at a lot of the elementary schools with dogs, I think it's a great idea to have a place to send them | 01:01:59 | |
because as you say, there's a dearth of options on the east side. So I I. | 01:02:06 | |
I think that there's reasonable concerns for dog owner behavior, but right now those are spread over a lot of the green spaces in | 01:02:15 | |
our city and so. | 01:02:20 | |
Maybe, hopefully we could target that, create a magnet and then work on behavior, yeah. | 01:02:25 | |
I love pickleball and would be excited to have pickleball courts, but I also respect neighbours concerns about noise and I and it | 01:02:32 | |
looks like you've tried to place those centrally located to limit that as much as possible. Do you does anyone know how far that | 01:02:38 | |
sound carries? Like I mean, is this is this just like this is the best place or do we really know that like the neighbors might | 01:02:44 | |
not hear it at that point or? | 01:02:50 | |
OK. | 01:03:02 | |
Okay. | 01:03:05 | |
And it's not involved. | 01:03:19 | |
And. | 01:03:25 | |
I know that there are a lot of presidential homes around there. | 01:03:33 | |
And I love the idea that should be. | 01:03:36 | |
Treaties and the scrubber that you can have planted around it would be extremely appreciated and helpful. And I also think the | 01:03:42 | |
light side has probably lights being on constantly and it's like a Walmart parking lot and. | 01:03:50 | |
I know that they would be in the city functioning. | 01:04:00 | |
And can go on. So after midnight. So I think that's a plus and I'm sure there are regulations that wouldn't have to be off. | 01:04:08 | |
Because they have one. | 01:04:24 | |
Interesting. | 01:04:50 | |
Let me just interrupt for one, one second. This is we're really. | 01:05:02 | |
And I wanted to tell you, all of a sudden, the popular fans just just. | 01:05:07 | |
And I called the artist and she he told me the field was probably in miles and miles to go. Interesting. | 01:05:15 | |
This this is really an opportunity for us to hear from the. | 01:05:27 | |
Architects and we are looking forward to opportunities for public input for sure we want we want to hear from everyone, but we | 01:05:32 | |
want to be sure we get through your presentation and the council's questions on this so that you can get the direction that you | 01:05:38 | |
need. For my part, I think the elements, the programmatic elements look look good I. | 01:05:44 | |
I don't have strong feelings about pickleball, but I know others do, so I'm happy to sort of take the community's lead on that. | 01:05:51 | |
I'm very interested in phasing because I think that'll just make it a more workable project for the city. | 01:06:01 | |
And then I, I think the adaptive reuse to some of the elements of the school is actually really important because I think there's. | 01:06:07 | |
A real emotional connection to from the community to the school because of. | 01:06:15 | |
People that went there, people who sent their kids there, and I think just in terms of having a sense of place in the city, | 01:06:20 | |
preserving some of that is is really important so. | 01:06:25 | |
Those would be my points. | 01:06:31 | |
No, it's not Regine. It's not public comment Regine. | 01:06:37 | |
Thank you. | 01:06:42 | |
No. Well. | 01:06:43 | |
OK, thanks. Any other comments from the council? Speaking of noise, has anyone spoken with A? | 01:06:47 | |
Anybody in the church? | 01:06:56 | |
That's right next door. I mean, we are working on that, Dave. | 01:06:58 | |
They have a very large organization so we are now in contact with them and hoping to schedule one of these same one-on-one | 01:07:03 | |
meetings. | 01:07:07 | |
For a couple of reasons. 1 Is that the access off of Screen Lane that a lot of people are using? Right. That's through the church, | 01:07:14 | |
yeah. | 01:07:18 | |
Property, they have a pavilion on their lawn that is quite well used and we do also see a lot of dogs on their side of the | 01:07:25 | |
property. And so we do want to run this concept by them and make sure that they use and what we're proposing here doesn't conflict | 01:07:32 | |
with anything and then also try to tie down that. | 01:07:38 | |
Shared access right, because the position of the pickleball courts is. | 01:07:45 | |
We don't have to get in the weeds on this, but do we have any sort of idea about the nature and level of contribution of Impact | 01:08:21 | |
Soccer to the? | 01:08:25 | |
Ongoing maintenance or what's typical? I mean, one thing is. | 01:08:31 | |
They didn't provide us with a dollar amount. | 01:08:37 | |
The Granite School district want to share that or is that something that's. | 01:08:41 | |
Yeah, I have their existing contract and I just don't remember off the top, OK. But we have that information basically. And the | 01:08:46 | |
one thing also I that concerns me that you know what, what their tolerance would because particularly the, I mean the fields as | 01:08:53 | |
they are are adequately usable for that purpose. And if they're going to be the primary user, that's probably not going to be the | 01:09:00 | |
first on my list to prioritize if they're usable as is and they would be the primary user. | 01:09:07 | |
And because everything I was considering is right now they're using it as a secondary use because it's primary use is a what had | 01:09:16 | |
been a school and it's used for recess and such. And then they were just kind of a marginal user for, you know, as a secondary | 01:09:24 | |
sort of user going forward with this plan, they kind of become the primary user, which kind of tells me that. | 01:09:33 | |
It's no longer just marginal, marginal cost, empty airline seats, pricing. | 01:09:42 | |
Scenario, if they're going to be a primary user, we may want to see what additional pain they can tolerate with regard to, you | 01:09:48 | |
know, if we're going to engage in a, you know, multi $1,000,000 park with a big chunk of it going to improving the fields where | 01:09:54 | |
there are primary user. | 01:10:00 | |
Because we're also talking about a regional user impact soccer as a regional drop, the one regional draw that would be in this | 01:10:07 | |
park where the rest of it, we're trying to keep fairly local use. | 01:10:13 | |
Councilmember, if we should ask them about what they're experiencing with maintenance right now? | 01:10:20 | |
I know that they had mentioned that at Bonneville, the Bonneville Middle School, they had receded and rested the fields for two | 01:10:26 | |
years and I believe that was that impact cost. So I, I, I suspect they have some knowledge about the irrigation system and its | 01:10:33 | |
functionality that we could probably ask them for as well to kind of see. | 01:10:40 | |
Whether a more immediate fix is needed or how long that can be maintained and that kind of thing. And then to to Ryan's point | 01:10:48 | |
about grants and funding, youth soccer is a big sport in Utah and that we also have a couple of. | 01:10:55 | |
Premier teams, so there's always opportunities for partnerships with groups like Utah Youth Soccer and those kinds of things, so | 01:11:04 | |
it's really possible. | 01:11:08 | |
Well we love grant money, always great at getting it to. This whole park back here was almost named Holly City Park and Holiday | 01:11:13 | |
City Park. | 01:11:17 | |
Well, I'm glad that you are perceiving what the intent of sharing the budgetary figures was. It's a bit of a menu of options right | 01:11:24 | |
now and it allows you to see what do some of these things cost and and the type of conversation we're having is just what we | 01:11:28 | |
hoped, which is. | 01:11:33 | |
Now that I see how much it costs, is that really my priority? People are already making do with it as is. Is that one of the first | 01:11:39 | |
things we want to do? | 01:11:43 | |
If we make a change, are there partners who could help us implement the finances of that? So this is just the type of conversation | 01:11:47 | |
we hope to have. Part of the reason we don't have detailed information to share with you on all of this is because we didn't, we | 01:11:53 | |
didn't want to get ahead of the council on this. We wanted to hear your thoughts and questions and then we can follow up with the | 01:11:59 | |
stakeholders and ask some of these more specific conversations, but only in lockstep with your guidance. | 01:12:05 | |
I'll just say piggyback in on what well, I agree with Paul entirely on the on the 1,000,007 is a steep price tag for those fields | 01:12:12 | |
that are largely used by Impact, right. And then also with Matt on the phased approach, my appetite for it frankly would be | 01:12:19 | |
largely dependent on the availability of grant money in a phased approach as as that availability comes. And the other question I | 01:12:26 | |
guess I would pose is I don't know if there's any data that's available that shows and maybe it's completely. | 01:12:33 | |
Dependent on the region and things like that, but from a cost benefit standpoint. | 01:12:42 | |
You know, like for example, the dog park. I I don't know. | 01:12:48 | |
What the proximity of the next closest dog park is, how big of a draw it tends to bring. I know that we do have issues that | 01:12:53 | |
convert elementary and some probably ever every elementary with the dog issue. But, but realistically, how far could we expect | 01:12:59 | |
that this would alleviate that issue, You know, and I don't know if there's any, you know, any estimates at least or, or anything | 01:13:05 | |
along those lines and. | 01:13:11 | |
Let's see anyways, yeah, and then I'd love to see. | 01:13:19 | |
A proposal as to how you would phase it again probably from a cost benefit standpoint largely right excellent. So we'll plan to to | 01:13:22 | |
explore phasing with the steering committee we've been meeting with. And to your question about the dog park, I think we should re | 01:13:28 | |
engage the county because in our interaction with them it was very clear that they have done kind of regional study of this and | 01:13:34 | |
they were excited about the fact that this was it was being considered here because there is a dearth of it on the east side. So | 01:13:40 | |
we can. | 01:13:46 | |
What additional information they have and our team will do some additional research. That way we can report back to you at our | 01:13:52 | |
next interaction and money that they have available if they're excited about it too. So yeah. | 01:13:57 | |
Great. | 01:14:03 | |
Has water efficiency and sustainability been any part of your analysis, especially with respect to the athletic fields? That's | 01:14:04 | |
that's a big part of it. One of the things we learned in talking with the district is the inefficiency of the current irrigation. | 01:14:10 | |
It appeared as though the irrigation water could be dramatically reduced and we could explore what I mean by that in terms of | 01:14:16 | |
percentages. When we come back to let you know, that's not an uncommon thing for, for people to ask, but we've seen other | 01:14:22 | |
projects. | 01:14:28 | |
Irrigation used by 50% by using newer updated systems that don't have leaks, cracks aren't throwing more water than needed, all | 01:14:34 | |
those kinds of things. So we can report on that as well. | 01:14:40 | |
These are great questions. | 01:14:49 | |
Any other questions or comments? | 01:14:51 | |
Thank you very much. This has been really, really helpful and very exciting to think about. And thanks for spending the time to | 01:14:56 | |
come talk to us tonight. Absolutely. We're glad you want to be engaged this way and we're planning on about a month from now. | 01:15:02 | |
So that it fits right in line with. | 01:15:08 | |
Budget season. So thank you. Coincidentally, thank you, thank you. | 01:15:11 | |
Thanks very much. | 01:15:18 | |
The only other thing we have on our agenda tonight is just to review the calendar. I think we have meetings set for next Thursday | 01:15:20 | |
and the 16th and then June 6th and 13th and July 11th. A budget season is here. | 01:15:27 | |
So there will be opportunities to meet together and talk about that. | 01:15:34 | |
Any other comments or questions from the Council? | 01:15:40 | |
If not, I will entertain a motion to adjourn. Mr. Chair, move to adjourn. Second. | 01:15:44 | |
All in favor, aye. Thank you. We're adjourned. | 01:15:50 |