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Ready. 00:00:02
OK, it's 5:30, so I think we'll get started. I want to welcome everyone to our City Council meeting tonight. 00:00:05
Miss Mayor Dolly, who's not here, so I'm filling in for him and we'll start with a Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:12
Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 00:00:23
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:30
OK, we have. 00:00:41
Kind of a short agenda tonight, but we're going to start with public comment if there's anyone here that would like to address the 00:00:43
City Council during the public comment period. 00:00:47
We always like to hear from Trudy. 00:00:53
It's always good news, right? Trudy from the library, just to let you know, the things that happened in April that were really 00:00:56
awesome in April, we finished tax season that was great. We with the help of the AARP volunteers, approximately 1500 people had 00:01:02
their taxes done at the Holiday Library. 00:01:08
Last month was also library month and as I said before that we are, we went fine free on juvenile and young adult materials, which 00:01:16
is awesome. And it was food for fine. So if you brought in a donation of food and we had a pallet in there which is kind of big in 00:01:22
our small branch, but it was full when they took it away. So thanks to the generosity of everybody in the community. 00:01:29
Umm, the seed library has been going on for a while now and it's going to end, so you have until the 11th. The 11th will be the 00:01:36
last day of the seed library to come get your seeds to plant your gardens. I. 00:01:43
May is Inventors Month, and to celebrate Inventors Month on the 10th we're going to have a tech and toy museum that you can come 00:01:50
at 1:00 and you can see things that my very young librarians are calling artifacts. 00:01:56
Probably things I own. 00:02:03
The 15th will be an after school crew dedicated to outer space and on the 21st there will be a program for littles that is hands 00:02:06
on rocket science. 00:02:10
It will be exciting. 00:02:15
On the 25th, that's the 4th Saturday, we have a health and Wellness exploration. We've been doing sound bathing in May that's 00:02:18
going to switch and they're going to do meditation and breath work, so you're welcome to come and relax. 00:02:24
And just a little glimmer for the future, June 1st is when summer readings starts. So the big kickoff party that's in this area is 00:02:31
going to be at the Mill Creek branch this year. So that's from 5:00 to 8:00 on Friday, May 31st. So you can go have some fun at 00:02:37
the Mill Creek Library to kick off summer reading. 00:02:44
And of course, we will be closed on the 27th for Memorial Day. And that's what's happening at the library. Thank you. Thanks. 00:02:51
Do you have anyone else here for public comment? 00:02:59
If not, we'll next hear from Gina. 00:03:05
Her presentation for the Tentative budget for 20/24/25. 00:03:08
Thank you. 00:03:15
Earlier today, you should have received the tentative budget proposal for the City's fiscal 202425 fiscal year. The budget 00:03:18
represents the combined work of our staff and our contracted agencies who began working on budget preparation earlier this year. I 00:03:25
really appreciate the work of all who have been involved in that effort to bring you that tentative budget today. 00:03:33
The last several years have been both challenging and exciting for Holiday. Holiday is continuing to implement the city's plan for 00:03:42
financial sustainability and infrastructure improvement. The city's most recent bond issued two years ago has allowed us to make 00:03:49
significant improvements on our neighborhood streets, which our residents are certainly seeing. And in the next year, we'll see 00:03:56
many stormwater infrastructure projects completed, making a much more robust network for storm water in our city. 00:04:03
In February of 2023, the council at that time identified several priorities to guide city activities over the next 10 years. 00:04:12
In February of this year, this Council revisited and refined those priorities and focused on five. 00:04:21
Priority areas, the first being a safe community. 00:04:29
Second, excellent public assets and infrastructure. Third, responsive, efficient and sustainable city government. 4th, responsible 00:04:34
development that enhances community. And finally. 00:04:41
You wanted to prioritize holiday continuing to be a great place to live. 00:04:50
Within those priorities are several specific goals that you would like to see achieved, and additional details about those goals 00:04:55
is found in the budget document that you have. 00:04:59
This budget has really been developed with those identified priorities in mind. 00:05:05
The budget also priority prioritizes our city employees, providing a cost of living adjustment and targeted market increases to 00:05:10
make sure holiday attracts and retains high quality staff to best serve our residents. 00:05:17
After several years of double digit growth in sales tax, fueled by the collection of sales tax for online sales, pandemic spending 00:05:26
and inflation. 00:05:30
Those things have slowed down and so sales tax growth in holiday has really stalled over the past year. 00:05:36
Sales tax growth over the preceding three years had allowed us to keep place. 00:05:44
Case with inflationary pressures on both our services and on our project costs, with next year's sales tax collections currently 00:05:49
projected to be at the same level as was budgeted for our current year, we can't rely any longer on that source of revenue to fund 00:05:56
our own expense changes. 00:06:03
With council support, this tentative budget includes a proposed 15% increase in the city's property tax rate. For a holiday home 00:06:11
valued at tax year 2023's average price of $871,000, this increase would be about $95 a year, or about $8 monthly. Should the 00:06:20
council wish to proceed with that increase, a truth and taxation hearing will occur in August before that tax rate is adopted. 00:06:30
This budget also reflects a number of inflationary cost increases for the city, as well as some significant changes in the cost of 00:06:41
our contracts to provide key municipal services. 00:06:46
The largest dollar change in the budget is in a change in providing change in how we will be providing. 00:06:51
Police service in our community with a legislative mandate to remove the sheriff. Salt Lake County as the Executive Unified Police 00:06:59
Department. 00:07:03
You PD is experiencing considerable cost increases in the cost of providing services. Holiday has remained committed to the this 00:07:08
model of providing police services, recognizing that our residents are better served by a model that has the ability to provide a 00:07:16
wealth of resources when we need them and when we can share the cost of those specialized services with other communities. 00:07:24
Council is also in the midst of considering two large potential projects, one of which we're going to spend some time talking 00:07:33
about tonight. 00:07:37
And the other which we spent some time talking about last week, the seismic reinforcement in our nearly 100 year old facility. 00:07:41
While the tentative budget includes a few items associated with those projects, it does not yet develop a full funding strategy 00:07:49
for either project. During the next several weeks, as the council continues to talk about these projects, we'll look for guidance 00:07:56
on how you wish to include those items in the budget that you'll adopt in June. 00:08:03
So this proposed budget includes budgets for the city's general fund and that totals about $22.2 million. Also includes the budget 00:08:11
for the cities Capital Projects fund, storm water fund, debt service grants and arts fund. 00:08:19
And budgets for the redevelopment agencies projects, both the Cottonwood Mall project and Holiday Village are also included in 00:08:28
this document. I really am look forward to talking about city priorities and this document in the coming weeks. 00:08:37
Next week, we will do an overview of the budget in much more detail. We'll talk about those revenue assumptions. 00:08:47
And then we'll spend we'll spend time talking about the storm water fund and our capital projects and parks. 00:08:55
And then May 16th, we'll talk USA. 00:09:03
Administration, Justice, Court and Community and Economic Development. June 6th will be UPD as well as our public hearing on the 00:09:09
budget. We'll we'll also talk about our committees at that point grants and debt service looking toward a June 13th budget 00:09:15
adoption. 00:09:21
So with that, I'm happy to take questions. We're happy to sit down and move on to the next. 00:09:29
Well, first of all, thank you very much for putting this together and for. 00:09:38
Gathering all the information and thank your staff for their help too. I know this is a huge project and you barely get it done 00:09:42
one year but then you're starting it up for the next year so thank you. 00:09:47
Can you just remind us what our kind of statutory obligations are with respect to a timeline? Sure. So I. 00:09:52
In terms of the timeline, you have a responsibility to adopt A budget by the 30th of June and A and I may be reversing these two 00:10:00
and a tax rate by the 22nd of June. And then if you are increasing beyond the certified rate, so if you are moving forward with 00:10:10
that 15% tax increase, another public hearing would be scheduled in August and then at that time you could make changes. 00:10:20
In in the rate that is proposed and then would readopt in that time frame as well. 00:10:30
Does anybody have any questions for Gina? 00:10:39
OK, thanks. 00:10:45
With that. 00:10:49
I would consider a motion to. 00:10:51
Acknowledge receipt and adoption of the Tentative Budget. 00:10:54
Mr. Chair, I move consideration or approval of resolution just as a matter of explanation. First, just to clarify, we are not 00:11:00
adopting the budget, just the tentative budget and acknowledging its receipt. So as as Gina mentioned, over the next several 00:11:07
weeks, we'll be digging into it more deeply and then doing a formal resolution to accept the budget after several runs through it 00:11:14
and possible edits and amendments. So tonight's resolution is just acknowledging receipt and adopting. 00:11:21
Budget as is, so with that. 00:11:29
I move approval of Resolution 2024-16 acknowledging receipt and adopting the tentative budget for 24/20/24 and 25 fiscal year. 00:11:31
2nd. 00:11:41
We have a motion and a second. 00:11:43
Council Member Brewer Yes. Councilmember Fotheringham Yes. Councilmember Quinn Yes. Councilmember Gray, yes. And I also vote yes. 00:11:46
So with that, I think we have adopted the. 00:11:53
Or we've acknowledged receipt and adopted the tentative budget for 20/24/25. 00:12:00
Thank you. Is the setting of the public hearing for June 6th part of that resolution? 00:12:07
I don't know from a formality standpoint, I don't know if that. 00:12:16
Needs to be stated or not, but yeah. 00:12:19
Great. 00:12:23
With that, I would accept. I would. 00:12:27
Entertain a motion to move into our work meeting. 00:12:31
Chair Durham, I move that we recess now into our work meeting. 00:12:39
We can just see this by voice. Voice, correct? 00:12:46
All in favor say aye aye. 00:12:51
OK, we are in our work meeting. 00:12:54
And I think our first item is the adaptive reunion initial presentation for the Spring Lane project. 00:12:57
Presentation. 00:13:19
There we go. 00:13:21
OK, well my name is Dan Smith. I work for MHT and Architects. I'm a landscape architect and we've been working on the Spring Lane 00:13:25
adaptive reuse plan the past few months and. 00:13:30
We met previously to kind of discuss a few things and we're just here to give you an update of the progress. 00:13:36
Umm, Tonight we're going to go over a few things, Um. 00:13:42
I'll let everyone kind of introduce themselves when they stand up to speak, but Leah is going to 1st kind of go over a lot of the 00:13:47
public engagement element of the project and and the progress there. Lauren from MHTN is going to. 00:13:54
Go over the kind of the concept plans and present some kind of exciting. 00:14:01
Graphics and things. 00:14:07
To consider and discuss and then Ryan from age stand is also going to be talking a little bit about cost estimate information 00:14:09
concerning those left him the numbers and the. 00:14:15
Yeah, they get the fun stuff at the end. 00:14:23
Um, but it's been really exciting project and. 00:14:27
And I'll let everyone kind of. 00:14:31
You know, chime in, but. 00:14:35
We're just going to continue. 00:14:38
Obviously working on this over the next month and I. 00:14:40
Hopefully. 00:14:45
You guys will be happy with the progress tonight. I'll let Lee go ahead and you're back. 00:14:47
Yeah. And we'll go to the next slide here and talk about. 00:14:53
The next items here I kind of already went over the agenda. 00:15:01
But we'll talk about the concept surveys and website information that has happened. 00:15:04
Hey, I'm Leah Jeremiah. I'm a public engagement consultant with David Evans and Associates. 00:15:11
Let's go to the next slide. I'm going to give you. There's a lot on these sites. I'm not going to read them all to you. We've been 00:15:17
doing quite a bit of public engagement work. We started with stakeholder meetings with the most immediately impacted stakeholders, 00:15:22
so that includes. 00:15:27
Out of order of slides, but granted school district Impact United which is a big user of this site, Cottonwood Country Club which 00:15:33
is a similar sort of outdoor recreation use adjacent to the site and the immediate residence. So we had some one-on-one meetings 00:15:40
with these key stakeholders and learned that more than 4000 players in Impact United leagues. 00:15:48
Are using this site in Bonneville Middle School together. It's kind of their hub set of fields. 00:15:56
So when we approached them about site reuse, they were a little bit nervous. They used the fields up to three fields at the site 00:16:03
weekdays from 4:00 to 8:00 and weekend days all day long. We also learned that there's quite a bit of competition for multi use 00:16:09
fields on the east bench in Salt Lake. I am a soccer mom and have been driving all over the valley with my daughter who plays 00:16:16
soccer. 00:16:22
To access sports fields and it was not something that I had really thought about, but cross even peewee baseball. 00:16:30
Soccer are big sports in our valley and also on the east side, all competing. 00:16:37
We learned that Impact United does contribute funds and also labor and service to help maintain the fields that they play on, 00:16:43
which is a great service that they are providing to kind of help augment their use. 00:16:48
We talked to the Country Club. They don't see the site as competitive in any way. They have their own membership, but a lot of 00:16:55
community members are using it. They're really the only interface they'd had with the site was that they sometimes use it as 00:17:00
overflow parking when they have a big event. So no real competition there, although they know that. 00:17:06
Folks like pickleball, which we'll talk a little bit more about later. We'll go to the next slide. 00:17:14
Please. So as you likely know, Granite School District is. 00:17:19
Has offered or is entertaining a 99 year lease at a fairly discounted rate. Their intent really has been. 00:17:25
To approve or review a plan from Holiday City that Holiday City wants to see and their their goal there is really to a. 00:17:33
Provide a community use in an open space the kind of only caveat that I think we heard from them was that they want to be able to 00:17:42
preserve their ability to read to access the site in the event of some sort of natural disaster so I'm. 00:17:50
Maybe not. Gina's favorite example of my favorite example is not building a water park on the site that uses the entire site in a 00:17:59
way that you couldn't put mobile buildings or things on at a later time. 00:18:05
So. 00:18:12
They're very interested in learning more about what this plan. 00:18:14
Entails once you have all had your input on it. 00:18:17
We'll go to the next slide. As you all likely know, there is a Regional Park plan in progress for the holiday Lions Creekside 00:18:20
Hillview Basin complex, which is actually on. Maybe let's go to the next slide. 00:18:27
So this is a map from their master plan, which we can provide the links to you, but they're changing up a bit of the usage, but 00:18:36
not a lot of the usage. Creekside, which is on your bottom left will remain a golf, a disc golf course. It's a very popular disc 00:18:42
golf course. We don't see any sort of competition or reuse of that type of program. They the holiday line say, as you all know is 00:18:49
incredibly. 00:18:55
Well utilized for sports so they are looking at adding some more sporting fields on the sort of central. 00:19:03
East side and they're looking at some more natural use in that sort of northern portion as well as some trails. So some of the 00:19:08
things that we wanted to learn from them were about walking trails, shade dog parks in particular, so that we are supporting use 00:19:15
but not competing. 00:19:21
So. 00:19:28
Which are all good things, because then we had a neighborhood workshop. 00:19:33
Which is our next slide. We invited folks who back onto the site. 00:19:38
What we wanted to do there was really understand what. 00:19:43
Potential uses could be problematic for adjacent neighbors or things that they are already seeing that are happening that they 00:19:47
like or don't like, right. We didn't want to present any kind of concept that would, you know, receive a lot of pushback from 00:19:53
adjacent property owners and residents. So I was really surprised, and I've said this to our team in other places in the Valley, 00:19:59
people are really encouraging a lot of turf removal. And when we engaged in some conversations around that, everyone said, where 00:20:05
are those kids? 00:20:10
Play soccer. So we folks in the neighborhood are used to what's happening at the site. They had some great ideas about ways that 00:20:17
it can be improved, but they weren't looking to completely change the way that it's operating. There wasn't anything there that we 00:20:24
saw as deeply problematic about the way the site is is being accessed or used. So that was great. A lot of what they said is shown 00:20:32
on this slide and I think it's also reflected very clearly in the survey. So we'll jump to that. Folks love. 00:20:39
View of the mountains from the site. They like the open fields, they like the. 00:20:47
Use that it could have as walking trails or dog park, which is a huge piece. We're seeing a lot of dog park use there now and 00:20:54
there were some complaints from folks about the fact that dog waste is not being managed very well that a lot of dogs are off 00:21:02
leash and just sort of in the in the whole site. And we saw a very a pretty significant write in set of comments around. 00:21:10
Dog parks, walking trails and those kinds of amenities. 00:21:19
We had this is 630, but I think when we closed we were closer to 680 responses, which is I think pretty great. We had a lot of 00:21:25
comments about things that. 00:21:31
Or maybe also not. 00:21:37
Included in something that the city would entertain, which were splash pads, pools and sort of large water play. So as we go on in 00:21:39
the slide a little bit, we'll talk about that, but. 00:21:46
A lot of requests for pickleball, some real excitement about some of the other features that my teammates will talk about here. 00:21:54
So with that, we have a couple of FAQs that we've drafted on the next slide, and we're also happy to take your input on this. But 00:22:02
we've kind of tried to explain how this input will inform the process. So the concepts that you're going to see today are 00:22:08
different from what you've seen before because we've been incorporating that feedback as we've gone. 00:22:15
There was not a lot of pushback. There were a few comments that said no dog park, but there wasn't a lot of pushback on dog parks. 00:22:23
And what we know about dog parks is that when you provide a place that's clear and obvious and the amenities that go with it, 00:22:29
trash cans and dog waste bags, people are better about cleaning up after themselves. It's not a perfect solution, but putting a 00:22:36
dog park that's clearly designated is. It tends to provide better use than just sort of leaving it unmanaged. 00:22:42
We addressed that sort of multi use field competition thing that's happening here and then we also address. 00:22:50
Any kind of water that would be reused as opposed to like the water pump at. 00:22:57
Knudsen Park that that water is kind of a single use. It doesn't need to be treated. 00:23:05
So as you all consider this, and if you have other questions that you think your constituents or neighbors might have, let us 00:23:11
know. We're happy to include those in the FAQs. 00:23:15
And Morgan is going to talk about the concept and I'm sure that will raise a good discussion of how we've arrived at these. 00:23:20
Thanks. 00:23:28
Thanks, Leah. Hi, everyone. My name is Lauren Leisman. I am a planner at MHT and Architects. I'm going to walk us through the 00:23:32
concepts. So what you're seeing here on the slides are just kind of what we were drawing and figuring out with just internally 00:23:39
with our team, but then also with the steering committee kind of came up with and we gave them pieces to kind of where do those 00:23:46
big pieces land? But so those all played a big part in the design. Oh, next slide, please. 00:23:52
So with all the survey input, focus group, all of that and meeting with the steering committee, we decided to start really high 00:24:01
level and just create these bubble diagrams. And these are really just to kind of narrow down what are some options of where these 00:24:08
bubbles land, where do these big pieces fall and what kind of organization strategy do we like the best? 00:24:15
So we presented 3 concepts to the steering committee. And after much discussion and great, it all kind of landed on concept three 00:24:23
really being the larger parking lot. Because understanding the kind of with so much activity happening, we're going to need some 00:24:31
parking space for people who'll get busy on the weekends and on those on those big days. And then really leaving a big open space 00:24:38
for multi-purpose field use. 00:24:46
If you'd like to go to the next slide. 00:24:53
So while we were working on this, we were starting to pull some ideas and inspiration from other projects within the in this 00:24:57
country and then internationally as well. 00:25:02
One we really want to kind of focus on is shown at the bottom right corner and that's the rail yard rail yards in Santa Fe, NM 00:25:09
where they reused a lot of the material from the existing use to build to incorporate within the park. So they use like the real 00:25:16
railroad ties and things like that to build pergolas and pavilions and things like that. So we found that to be a really great 00:25:23
kind of precedent for this project. 00:25:30
So yeah, take some time to look into that at some point. Next slide, please. 00:25:39
So with using kind of concept 3 as a template, we put together 2 sub concepts. So we've got concept A and concept B. They're both 00:25:45
almost exactly the same. The only difference between the two is just how we've laid out the trailways, the pathways. 00:25:54
So I'm going to kind of walk us through the site and then I'll show you what Concept B looks like. So with the kind of expanded 00:26:04
and redesigned parking lot, we're seeing a potential of 188 parking stalls, which is over 100 more that's current than that's 00:26:11
currently on the site. So that's great. As we move kind of to the center middle, we see a pavilion with restrooms. The pavilion 00:26:19
could be a new build or it could, you know, reuse some of the materials from the school. 00:26:26
Like those great awesome large structural beams could be reused to to kind of build the pavilion and then of course maintaining 00:26:34
the courtyard garden, which kind of is what we heard a lot from all parties would be really great to to keep. 00:26:41
And then at the center, understanding noise of pickleball courts. 00:26:50
That we kind of wanted to centrally locate them far away from the residents so that we could kind of dampen the the noise that 00:26:56
would come from that. 00:27:00
As we move to the east side, we are showing a dog park. We do understand that could be a pretty loud use as well and we are right 00:27:05
next to those neighbors. So we envision some sort of like densely vegetating that kind of east edge, maybe incorporating some 00:27:12
berms to kind of block visual and some sound issues that might come from the dog park. 00:27:20
As we move just below the pavilion and courtyard area, that kind of light brown area is a playground and that's 3/4 of an acre, 00:27:28
which is really big. As we're kind of continuing to refine this concept, we we could fit a small pump track, bouldering wall, 00:27:35
climbing wall. Those are the kind of amenities that popped up a lot in the survey as well as just a space for traditional kind of 00:27:41
playground equipment. 00:27:48
And then of course, the big piece of this is the five acres of multi filled use space, multi-purpose field space. We are showing 2 00:27:56
full size soccer fields of course that can be used for many. And then that kind of mid tone green around them is 20 to 30 feet of 00:28:04
spectator space. Either could be flexed, it could be overflow. 00:28:12
For games or team needs to play on to that, it can be used for that. 00:28:20
And then all around the edges of this site, we see the dark green or where we see kind of perennial plantings, some gardens, 00:28:26
something pretty to look at, as well as maybe some buildings up, some more berms on the side to kind of help create a buffer for 00:28:33
those residents to the east and the West. But then also to kind of give an option if there are those really big game days on the 00:28:41
site, it could be some seating for people. 00:28:48
That are watching the game. 00:28:55
And then on the out, on the very outside, we see, we're showing kind of a double path. We see a concrete path which was really 00:28:58
requested on the survey. So that goes all the way around and that's about a half a mile. And then the kind of the darker the brown 00:29:04
path next to it we see is potentially like a crushed granite gravel path that people could ride their bikes on or if they prefer 00:29:11
to run on that kind of surface. 00:29:18
There's that, and along these trails we see either an educational moment. 00:29:25
They could be signage that talks about the history of the school, plantings, whatever, and you could also incorporate since skate, 00:29:30
skate and bike facilities were brought up a lot in the survey. 00:29:36
You could incorporate some furniture, scalable pieces, or little moments where people could kind of ride their bike up a berm or 00:29:44
something, you know, something fun that can all be incorporated within that trail system. 00:29:51
As we go to the next slide, please. 00:29:59
And so concept B, all the same big pieces are in the same spot. The only thing is that we see the kind of pathways meandering a 00:30:02
little bit more is more curve, which allows us to get a little bit more distance. We get about 1/4 of a mile more. 00:30:10
More pathways on the site. 00:30:20
But with that we do start to eat in a little bit of that spectator buffer. 00:30:23
You can go to the next slide please. 00:30:28
So here they are side by side, so you can kind of compare them against each other. And really the differences between the two is 00:30:32
concept A is a little bit simpler in form. We get a little bit more field space with this concept, but less pathways, garden 00:30:39
space, dog park and playground. And concept B we get a little bit more of an organic shape that flow. We kind of meandering paths 00:30:47
which get us more pathways, garden space, dog park and playground, but just slightly less field space. 00:30:54
And really it's just the spectator buffer, so. 00:31:02
Great. I'll pass it over to Ryan to talk about the fun stuff. Money. 00:31:05
Can I ask you a couple of quick questions actually before we move on to the money just fast? 00:31:12
So from a capacity standpoint, current fields, number of fields there is it kind of on par with with with what's being used field 00:31:15
wise? 00:31:19
Lee, I wonder if you want to answer this one for us? 00:31:25
If you know, I don't. 00:31:28
My numbers, so they they play depends on the year and then the age of the participants. So they have I think it's 7 on 7/9 on 9:00 00:31:30
and 11:00 on 11. So right now they're playing 111 on 11 and 29 on nines. 00:31:38
So this is. 00:31:48
Maybe slightly less, but it's sort of the compromise between the full use right now they have the sort of the southern half is to. 00:31:50
Nine on nines and then they play one in that eastern edge. And then I assume that from this buffer for spectators. And then I 00:32:02
assume that similar to parking spot allocations and that there's some type of the concept B would be adequate is presumed to be 00:32:09
adequate based off of field sizes and anticipated load and that kind of a thing I'm guessing. Is that right? 00:32:16
I don't know how much of A science it is, but yeah, yeah, OK. 00:32:26
Any other questions? 00:32:31
Well, great to be back with you tonight. Just a reminder, framing kind of the purpose of the conversation or somewhere midway 00:32:35
through this process. And so it's a great opportunity to show you what concepts are emerging as we've been engaging with city 00:32:40
staff. 00:32:44
Stakeholders. 00:32:50
Hearing things from the public and even that resident meeting that we had here, these concepts. 00:32:51
Give you a sense of what balancing all those things would look like, Jonathan, if you want to jump forward for us. 00:32:57
What might these look like in terms of cost, Right. So a couple of things that we've learned over the last few years, very 00:33:05
important to present when we talk about costs. As Gina mentioned, we've seen significant inflation over the last few years. So if 00:33:11
you're thinking about this in in reference to say Knudsen Park for instance, what we're talking about here is a 12 acre site which 00:33:17
is large, it's significant. 00:33:23
There's an existing building on site and what we're talking about cost wise is total replacement of everything that you see on the 00:33:31
site. So just know there are opportunities to reduce costs if that's something the city would like to do. And just remember also. 00:33:39
Projects can always be phased, so no one is saying everything needs to be done all at once. There are lots of different funding 00:33:47
mechanisms, grants, opportunities to fund different pieces of this, so just know that this could happen in a phased way overtime. 00:33:54
We've engaged a cost estimator. 00:34:02
Construction Control Corporation. 00:34:05
One of the best in the industry, works here locally, very familiar with with costs and we thought that was really important to 00:34:08
best serve holidays and make decisions. 00:34:12
The numbers that we're presenting right again, we're at a conceptual level that is done with intent to allow the Council. 00:34:16
At a kind of midway stage through this process, the opportunity to weigh in and say, whoa, this is this is costing more than we 00:34:23
had anticipated or we like where this is coming in, explore these further. So changes can still be made at this phase as I guess 00:34:28
what I'm saying. 00:34:32
The numbers that we're looking at are in $2024.00, so if they were to bid at some point this year. 00:34:37
That seems not not feasible or likely based on what Gene is described right. You're looking ahead at your your fiscal budget for 00:34:44
next year. So if you look at bidding something like this and next year assume 8% inflation is what the the market is looking at 00:34:51
right now year over year. Again, we're all sort of taking out our crystal ball trying to guess where the market goes next. 00:34:57
The last thing I'd like to say, because of the conceptual nature of what we're looking at, these prices could vary you. You could 00:35:05
come down 15 or 20% based on some of the decisions you made. 00:35:10
If we, if we've added more scope items to this park project, you could go up 15 or 20%. So just know that your decisions still can 00:35:16
dramatically impact this one way or the other. So maybe Jonathan, the best thing to do is to just jump to the comparison slide for 00:35:24
purposes of of getting us to a point where we allow you more, more opportunities to. 00:35:31
To weigh in, so Lauren has outlined for you concepts A&B. 00:35:40
We could look. 00:35:46
As low as 8.3 million or as high as just over 9 million here. So what are some of the differences? 00:35:49
As you know, there's there are unforeseen, you do the best that you can to predict it, but a new construction project typically 00:36:26
hasn't a cost contingency of about 5%. 00:36:32
A renovation or historic reuse like that you you build in maybe say 15% into your budget 'cause they're just unknowns that come 00:36:38
up, but there are some really significant opportunities there to repurpose. 00:36:43
Some of them were signature spaces of Spring Lane Elementary as future kind of outdoor pavilion space, open air, but retaining 00:36:49
some of what's been built there and and really recognizing the heritage of the site. 00:36:55
And and as Lauren mentioned, the courtyard garden is a key component to be maintained at least as as that piece would be fully 00:37:01
integrated into the park. 00:37:06
In this current concept. 00:37:11
The other things that would be different would be the amount of plantings at the perimeter. Organic pathways with curvilinear 00:37:13
edges do cost more. They look nice. It's something we all appreciate in park spaces, but they cost a little bit more money. 00:37:20
I should also mention that another way that costs could be brought down if you desired is currently this estimating anticipates 00:37:27
total replacement and expansion of the parking. If you wanted to say we we leave the existing parking as is, we add in that's one 00:37:34
opportunity you could have to bring down costs initially and think about this project in a phased sort of way. Couple of things 00:37:41
that are not in here that the city would need to think about that I'd like to flag for you. 00:37:48
Simply because we don't know what the relationship of the nature of the contract with Granite District would be. There's no 00:37:57
demolition of the building. 00:38:01
In here currently, right, That's because we don't know exactly what the conditions of the contract with Granite School District 00:38:05
would be and we haven't made a final decision or or given been given direction with regards to how much adaptive reuse of some of 00:38:10
that building should we pursue. So know that that number is still out there that could be anywhere from 10 to $12.00 a square 00:38:15
foot. 00:38:20
The other thing is typically when pursuing a project like this, what we're showing you are the construction costs. 00:38:25
Gina and other members of the city staff will build a total project budget for you. That would account for other things like 00:38:32
design fees, contractor fees for doing the work, any permitting fees that may be associated. Oftentimes you'll include demolition, 00:38:38
hazardous material abatement, abatement, those kinds of items with land in your total project cost, which were not yet showing. 00:38:44
We'll know more about that once we get direction from you tonight. 00:38:51
I think those are the key ideas that we wanted to capture with regards to cost. 00:38:58
Are there any questions relative to cost or should we open it up for just discussion in general? This is the end of our update 00:39:03
presentation and we look forward to interaction with you now. 00:39:08
The cost for the fields, is this anticipating that you would basically take out the old fields, the old plumbing sprinkler system 00:39:15
and redo them? Thank you, Drew, that's a great question. I should have mentioned that yes, this does anticipate. That's another 00:39:22
way that you could think about this to either reduce cost or phase it. The field is right. The irrigation is not ideal. In some 00:39:29
locations, the fields might be described as lumpy. 00:39:37
It does work for youth soccer, but what is shown in here currently is total replacement of the irrigation system. 00:39:44
The turf and re leveling of those fields so. 00:39:52
That's another opportunity that you could consider. 00:39:58
Along the same lines, what is the state of the current parking lot? You mentioned that this is a complete overhaul, the parking 00:40:04
lot. Do you have, is it in poor condition, it needs to be overhauled or it's nearing the end of its life, but it is still 00:40:10
serviceable. Part of the reason that we've included total replacement is that as you'll see in the concept. 00:40:16
It's kind of a sea of asphalt and it felt appropriate within the concept that's being presented here is that the sense of arrival 00:40:23
to this local park in Holiday, a city well known for its St. canopy, is to introduce more trees and greenery as you arrive to the 00:40:28
park itself, no longer needing the same type of large turning radii for buses and other things. There would be an opportunity to 00:40:34
to make that sense of arrival feel more something that you would typically associate with the city of Holiday, right? A tree 00:40:40
canopy that grows in over time and. 00:40:46
Green and shaded, as opposed to what can often be a very hot parking lot condition. But there are still a few years left in the 00:40:53
life of that asphalt. Another opportunity for phasing here. 00:40:58
Come on. Up, down. 00:41:08
One other thing with that part is. 00:41:10
Striking. 00:41:14
This is the first time I've heard about a 99 year lease. Is that a thing really? 00:41:25
So that is not the direction that my conversations with Granite School District have gone, but I'll be interested to hear hear 00:41:32
more about that. 00:41:36
That was my notes said. 00:41:43
That was for verbal notes from a meeting, so it may be that when you get to the final negotiation, that number. 00:41:47
Yeah, we've been hearing you some closer to like 2025 with options to renew up to 40 and who knows what that's what. 00:41:55
Discussions have been. 00:42:02
OK. And then? 00:42:04
Of course, the demolition. 00:42:08
Our initial conversations with them had been that they would the school district would deal with demolition once we gave that a 00:42:12
green light. That's not uncommon. 00:42:17
Yeah. And that is that is the conversation we've had to date. But to Ryan's point, we have not memorialized that in an agreement 00:42:23
yet. So I think it was a good idea to flag that as a potential cause. We thought to flag it because it they may be willing to do 00:42:31
that, but then potentially factor that into part of the finances of a lease agreement. It would be their obligation to explore the 00:42:38
building and understand if there's any hazardous material that needs to be removed regardless. But we also flagged. 00:42:46
Point out because we don't quite know yet what the appetite is for some historic adaptive reuse of the facility. That was my 00:42:54
question does that. 00:42:58
Complicate or provide opportunities or both for adaptive reuse of some of the elements? I would say it does both. The benefits 00:43:03
would be that for those who have a strong connection to the school, and there are many that we knew it as Meadow more and now have 00:43:10
known it more recently as Spring Lane, there are many who have expressed a desire to see at least the courtyard garden component 00:43:17
retained. We had the opportunity to walk through about two weeks ago with city staff. 00:43:24
Several from Granite School District. There are several spaces that are quite lovely. The multi-purpose room and the northeastern 00:43:32
corner is kind of a double height space with a beautiful timber ceiling. We see that as a space that has potential that it could 00:43:38
be adaptively reused as your pavilion rather than bringing in a new. 00:43:44
Kind of foreign element to create a pavilion structure. You could adaptively reuse that space. It would require quite a bit of 00:43:52
work. You'd remove exterior walls, replace lighting. You'd need to do some new things to protect that timber to now, right? It 00:43:57
would need to be sealed. 00:44:02
But you wouldn't have, you know, new mechanical needs associated with it. You'll need to address restrooms. 00:44:08
What's their existing doesn't meet current code for a public use and would need to be replaced Finishes and those sorts of things. 00:44:16
So there is expense, but you'd have that opportunity to retain something. 00:44:21
Really important to the community, same way as you've done the City Hall. There's another space on the southern edge of the 00:44:27
building which also has that same lovely timber ceiling that could be retained for kind of outdoor shade canopies like was being 00:44:35
depicted in the the project in Santa Fe, NM. So we think there's a strong opportunity. All of this would require seismic updating 00:44:42
to be brought to current code to make sure that lateral systems in the event of earthquake or strong winds. 00:44:50
To extend their useful life. 00:45:28
But we want to understand it would likely. 00:45:31
Lead to some increased cost, but it has those other benefits which we see. 00:45:35
So we wanted to understand the council's direction on that before we took it much further, but that is something we're currently 00:45:41
exploring as adaptive reuse of those two spaces specifically to meet some of the future needs of the park. 00:45:46
Can you tell us a little bit more about the outreach that occurred with the neighborhood, the neighbors? 00:45:53
How, how many meetings there were, how they were notified about them, what kind of input you got? Great question. I'm gonna invite 00:45:59
Leah to answer that. She's been an excellent team member and. 00:46:03
As useful information so we delivered, we hand delivered Flyers to each of the homes that backs onto the perimeter. And then so we 00:46:08
had one meeting and we were pretty clear I think with folks that this. 00:46:15
Was the very beginning of public outreach and we let them know that we would be taking their input. And I think you can go, I 00:46:23
think it's two slides. 00:46:26
No one more. 00:46:32
That one. 00:46:35
So we invited them to come. We had 22 people come, which I think was almost all of the properties represented. There were maybe 00:46:38
four that weren't represented. And we had them sit at tables with their neighbors, show them the site we asked them a couple of 00:46:43
prompts about. 00:46:48
What they lived about the site, what they wanted, what they'd like to see. 00:46:54
We had some really great conversations. I thought we stayed the entire, what, two hours and had really great conversations. There 00:46:58
were questions about whether the building could be reused or it might be reused. What? 00:47:04
Whether pieces could be reused? 00:47:13
And then we also let them know, we kept all their e-mail addresses and let them know when the survey had come out so that they 00:47:16
could see how the. 00:47:21
Concepts were evolving based on their input, so. 00:47:26
There hasn't been a lot of engagement since the survey closed yesterday, the day before yesterday. The next step really is to 00:47:30
start to get some guidance and then we can help your staff communicate back to the public. Here's what we're thinking and whether 00:47:38
we want to talk about costs and how those things get paid for, right? That was a big piece of the conversation. 00:47:45
Yeah, and the website, that's right. So the website went up. 00:47:55
And we will be providing a quick report here in the next week or so about what we're hearing back so we can kind of show what the 00:48:00
key programming elements are that the public is supporting. 00:48:07
And we've tried to be pretty clear I think with the public that all of this is pretty high level conceptual pending discussion 00:48:16
about costs. 00:48:20
And that there hasn't been any discussion about how any of that might be funded yet. So I think and I think people were pretty, I 00:48:25
think they understood that fact that it's an investment in the community that we're we're just starting kind of up here with. 00:48:32
One other item that I'll just add from the resident meeting, we had excellent turn out. It was held in this space. 00:48:40
Some of the types of things that were mentioned were concerned about this being something different than just a local park. There 00:48:47
was concern about any items that you might locate here that could seem more like a regional draw right to bring additional parking 00:48:55
needs or traffic to the area was expressed concerns about hours of operation sound right. There was a lot of discussion about if 00:49:02
pickleball is here, where would it be located because we know it can be noisy If a dog park goes here, it's. 00:49:10
The site's already being used sort of de facto as a dog park. Where would it be located? How could it be? 00:49:18
Patrol to make sure that people are using those facilities properly. 00:49:24
There were conversations about we don't need something like a skate park here. That type of regional draw need has already been 00:49:28
met elsewhere in the city. So there was there were general concerns about light at night, sounds, how many people are drawn to the 00:49:35
site. A lot of focus on people still felt very comfortable about continuing the use of the multi-purpose athletic fields. Walking 00:49:41
path was very popular. People felt like that would be something. 00:49:47
Very unifying pavilions and and play equipment for all ages. Those were those are strong themes and if I've forgotten any Leah, 00:49:55
please. 00:49:59
Please let me know. But those those came very clearly out of the resident meeting. If we were to look at like a phased approach to 00:50:03
this, do you already have ideas about order or timing on, on what you would recommend for that? Or is that something that you 00:50:11
would need to still look into? And we would develop that for our next interaction, which we anticipate being about a month away. 00:50:18
But absolutely if that's a priority of the council and and we anticipate it likely would be, that's something we often see. 00:50:25
Plans is tell us which of these items are most important. Let's tackle those first. What would the order of operations be? Could 00:50:33
you help us identify some funding sources that we could pursue outside of our. 00:50:39
Our general fund, what grants and types of other alternative funding sources exist, That's not an uncommon request. It's something 00:50:46
we would anticipate but wanted to understand and receive direction from you all so at at the moment. 00:50:53
We don't have any specific recommendations, but we have a few thoughts about individual elements and how they could be phased. 00:51:00
As far as public comment goes, I think she mentioned that the survey was closed a couple of days ago. Is that right? Is there 00:51:07
procedurally would you anticipate, is that kind of like we've received all the public comment to maybe be a benefit or would you 00:51:13
anticipate other throughout the process that there would be an additional public engagement? 00:51:18
That's a great question. 00:51:24
Really at your discretion. 00:51:26
I think it. 00:51:29
Often people like to weigh in on stylistic choices, colors, themes, playground type, equipment, those kinds of pieces. That's a 00:51:31
great place to do it. 00:51:36
Every city is different in terms of the way it engages its constituents about funding. That might be another place where you could 00:51:43
engage folks about priorities or funding. 00:51:48
We do not have any more engagement planned besides this final sort of reporting back on what the concept plan, what we heard and 00:51:54
how it reflects what we heard from the public. 00:51:59
And one other detail just to mention is that. 00:52:08
Reminding us all that we're at a master plan phase. So right now the most helpful comment is the types of programmatic uses people 00:52:11
would like to see, the general ambiance of what they hope for, right? We're hearing that this is a local park, not a Regional 00:52:17
Park. It should meet the needs of this neighborhood 1st and then the rest of the city, of course, but it's not trying to draw 00:52:24
people from outside of Holiday City to it by any of the uses that are being located here. 00:52:31
Be really important to understand the attitude towards potential adaptive reuse of some of the building. 00:52:38
Understanding costs, I mean those are the things that are most important in a master plan. And then of course to the question that 00:52:45
was asked. 00:52:47
Phasing. Should the team identify some phasing in here? Those are things that are most important because you'll have if you move 00:52:51
forward with this and do. 00:52:55
Enter into an agreement with the school district. You'll have the opportunity to go through a full design phase where all the 00:53:01
specificities of actual finishes. 00:53:05
Plant selection, all those types of items will it's, it's very fun to move forward and design. But the master plan stage we're 00:53:10
kind of putting, so to speak, the big rocks of the project in now the pieces that we love those programmatic items in or we've got 00:53:16
some concern about this one, maybe that shouldn't be in the master plan. Those are the types of things that are most helpful to 00:53:21
guiding the city to move forward. 00:53:26
So, Ryan, knowing that, we have asked you to finalize a concept plan. 00:53:33
In a short period of time, in a month, What kind of conversation or direction from the Council would be most helpful at this 00:53:38
point? 00:53:43
Yeah, great question, Gina. 00:53:48
If you have any, if any, of the programmatic areas that we've shown? 00:53:51
That you have concerns with that now would be a great opportunity to say that if you if you were to say. 00:53:56
You know, I've heard from constituents that we're not comfortable with pickleball. It's accommodated elsewhere. We don't want to 00:54:03
see it here. 00:54:06
Part of the reason it's here is that we heard that very significantly through the survey, but there was concern about the noise 00:54:10
of, of pickleball the the lights in the evening. It's so popular to just draw a lot of people and there was concern expressed at 00:54:16
the resident meeting. So that's just one example or if you were to say. 00:54:22
You know, having a small. 00:54:30
Off leash dog area, is that the right approach? Those types of things would be very beneficial. We'd like to continue exploring 00:54:33
adaptive reuse of just those two areas that I mentioned inside the building for you. 00:54:39
But understanding if you'd like us to keep exploring that because the further we explore to the point that Gina is asking, we can 00:54:46
dial in costs and give you more specific. Right now we've given you quite a range of of cost. 00:54:52
Also understanding if you're did you have any sticker shock with the costs that were shared? 00:54:58
Should the team be targeting something smaller than that? Those are the types of things that would be really helpful to us because 00:55:04
we're in that process of refinement and we're at the concept state. So now is now is a great time to find out. Are there elements 00:55:09
that that you've been hearing that you'd like to see reflected that we're not showing right now? Now is a perfect time to let us 00:55:15
know or if there are some of these that you say. 00:55:20
That doesn't feel right. Let's talk about it. Maybe we remove it. Another option is when the master plan completes, we could 00:55:25
target an area and say this could be a dog park or this could be some other type of use. So a master plan can have some 00:55:32
flexibility built into it as well if you'd like to, if you're hoping to have more conversation with the community about any of 00:55:38
these specific items. But what we'd like to do is give you a very useful master plan that has. 00:55:45
Costs associated with it and some anticipated phasing if that's what it would be most helpful to you. 00:55:52
So then you can move forward and make decisions what I would anticipate. 00:55:58
In my past work with many communities, is it that you'll want to see a phased approach to understand which things would be most 00:56:02
impactful and what could we do over time? And we're happy, happy to do that for you if that's the direction you'd like us to go. 00:56:09
But sometimes cities have a wealth of impact fees waiting around that need to be utilized. Not our case. It would largely depend 00:56:16
on grants, would it not? And I suppose in this case this would be expanding service and so it wouldn't be applicable. 00:56:23
But anyway, there are there are some circumstances we're doing all of it at once is the right choice, but but that's rare. 00:56:30
Well, early on in the process with the steering committee, some of the broad direction we provided, which I think you you've done 00:56:38
a great job at integrating those things are we, we didn't want to have amenities that were going to have significant ongoing 00:56:44
maintenance costs. So we wanted to keep the those amenities to be maintainable, sustainable and not because we're not a growing 00:56:50
city. 00:56:57
Like other places with Greenfield development, so our budget doesn't grow with growing population like some other places. So we 00:57:04
wanted to make sure that the amenities were reasonable for ongoing maintenance and I think this looks great for that. 00:57:12
Also, yeah, when you first see that price, it is there is some sticker shock, but then think if we can phase it over because we 00:57:23
certainly couldn't you know gobble 8 or 9 million in a single budget year since our total annual budget is. 00:57:29
You know less than 20, right? 00:57:35
So what's 22 now? I think when I-15 was in my head, I think when we I first joined the council. So it's good, but. 00:57:37
So yeah, to be able to phase it and then. 00:57:46
But with regard to some adaptive reuse, I think there's been general consensus with the steering committee overtime, but nothing's 00:57:50
been decided. Nothing's been decided, but we were trying to figure out, is there any way to, you know, does it make sense to keep 00:57:56
part of the building? 00:58:02
And the general consensus was in terms of having an ongoing indoor facility, no, that makes zero sense to me. And no one could 00:58:08
seem to make a whole lot of sense of that. But elements such as those beams, you know, if we were to integrate those those kind of 00:58:15
iconic beams in the lunchroom assembly area into the pavilion to, to reflect that history would be great, you know, if that 00:58:22
didn't. 00:58:29
Create a, you know, an additional cost problem, but perhaps even ameliorate some cost, but to to keep that. 00:58:36
And then of course, there's that, you know, funky cubic facade, which may not it's, you know, physically itself need to be kept 00:58:44
unless that could be realistically done. But if if there's some sort of in the. 00:58:52
In the decorative scheme to try to give reflect that sort of history, whether it's you know on the pavilion or you know, in some 00:59:00
of the cement work to kind of to pay homage to to that. 00:59:07
Element of the school that was there for so long. So in terms of that sort of adaptive reuse of elements, but but not an adaptive 00:59:15
reuse that that that. 00:59:20
Contemplates saving a part of the building. 00:59:26
As an indoor thing, because we thought that having to heat and cool secure staff when we don't really have any staff located over 00:59:31
there would would create some. 00:59:37
Unreasonable marginal cost to maintain. So I think just outdoor park, but but being able to you know, reuse some of the elements 00:59:46
to pay homage to what was there I think is a great idea. And I think we we've had some consensus in that regard on the steering 00:59:53
committee level. 00:59:59
With regard to the dog park, I know there's probably not a whole lot of consensus there yet. I I'd like to see it even though I 01:00:09
don't have a dog. I know a lot of my neighbors have dogs and they like to have a dog park. And I know that in our discussions with 01:00:15
the county, they indicated that they their dog park plan is fairly empty on the east side in terms of the regional parks. And so 01:00:21
there wouldn't be a whole lot of. 01:00:28
Competition, well, we probably have some draw there. 01:00:35
I don't know if it'd be regional, but there there aren't a whole lot of alternatives. 01:00:39
Outside of this opportunity on the Salt Lake County Regional Park Plan. 01:00:46
I know the mayor sort of is a bit, I don't want to speak for him, but for what I've heard him say is he was less convinced that 01:00:53
that the off leash dog park would be respected in the in terms of they'd only be off leash in there or, or the, you know, having a 01:01:00
dog park attracts more dogs and thus we have more dog mess. And that that he wasn't as optimistic I was about the quality of dog 01:01:07
owner behavior. 01:01:14
Three card having a dog park. 01:01:22
I was a little more optimistic about that, particularly we could create a culture and signage and neighborhood pressure to behave 01:01:24
with your dog and that there is this investment made for your dog to be over there off leash and so implying that outside the dog 01:01:31
park it should be on leash. 01:01:37
So, so, but, but my point being the rest quite as much consensus on the dog park element as as on some of the other elements. So I 01:01:44
don't know if that's helpful. I, I don't, I haven't been in the same meetings that you've been in. But I think because of the 01:01:52
problems that we're having at a lot of the elementary schools with dogs, I think it's a great idea to have a place to send them 01:01:59
because as you say, there's a dearth of options on the east side. So I I. 01:02:06
I think that there's reasonable concerns for dog owner behavior, but right now those are spread over a lot of the green spaces in 01:02:15
our city and so. 01:02:20
Maybe, hopefully we could target that, create a magnet and then work on behavior, yeah. 01:02:25
I love pickleball and would be excited to have pickleball courts, but I also respect neighbours concerns about noise and I and it 01:02:32
looks like you've tried to place those centrally located to limit that as much as possible. Do you does anyone know how far that 01:02:38
sound carries? Like I mean, is this is this just like this is the best place or do we really know that like the neighbors might 01:02:44
not hear it at that point or? 01:02:50
OK. 01:03:02
Okay. 01:03:05
And it's not involved. 01:03:19
And. 01:03:25
I know that there are a lot of presidential homes around there. 01:03:33
And I love the idea that should be. 01:03:36
Treaties and the scrubber that you can have planted around it would be extremely appreciated and helpful. And I also think the 01:03:42
light side has probably lights being on constantly and it's like a Walmart parking lot and. 01:03:50
I know that they would be in the city functioning. 01:04:00
And can go on. So after midnight. So I think that's a plus and I'm sure there are regulations that wouldn't have to be off. 01:04:08
Because they have one. 01:04:24
Interesting. 01:04:50
Let me just interrupt for one, one second. This is we're really. 01:05:02
And I wanted to tell you, all of a sudden, the popular fans just just. 01:05:07
And I called the artist and she he told me the field was probably in miles and miles to go. Interesting. 01:05:15
This this is really an opportunity for us to hear from the. 01:05:27
Architects and we are looking forward to opportunities for public input for sure we want we want to hear from everyone, but we 01:05:32
want to be sure we get through your presentation and the council's questions on this so that you can get the direction that you 01:05:38
need. For my part, I think the elements, the programmatic elements look look good I. 01:05:44
I don't have strong feelings about pickleball, but I know others do, so I'm happy to sort of take the community's lead on that. 01:05:51
I'm very interested in phasing because I think that'll just make it a more workable project for the city. 01:06:01
And then I, I think the adaptive reuse to some of the elements of the school is actually really important because I think there's. 01:06:07
A real emotional connection to from the community to the school because of. 01:06:15
People that went there, people who sent their kids there, and I think just in terms of having a sense of place in the city, 01:06:20
preserving some of that is is really important so. 01:06:25
Those would be my points. 01:06:31
No, it's not Regine. It's not public comment Regine. 01:06:37
Thank you. 01:06:42
No. Well. 01:06:43
OK, thanks. Any other comments from the council? Speaking of noise, has anyone spoken with A? 01:06:47
Anybody in the church? 01:06:56
That's right next door. I mean, we are working on that, Dave. 01:06:58
They have a very large organization so we are now in contact with them and hoping to schedule one of these same one-on-one 01:07:03
meetings. 01:07:07
For a couple of reasons. 1 Is that the access off of Screen Lane that a lot of people are using? Right. That's through the church, 01:07:14
yeah. 01:07:18
Property, they have a pavilion on their lawn that is quite well used and we do also see a lot of dogs on their side of the 01:07:25
property. And so we do want to run this concept by them and make sure that they use and what we're proposing here doesn't conflict 01:07:32
with anything and then also try to tie down that. 01:07:38
Shared access right, because the position of the pickleball courts is. 01:07:45
We don't have to get in the weeds on this, but do we have any sort of idea about the nature and level of contribution of Impact 01:08:21
Soccer to the? 01:08:25
Ongoing maintenance or what's typical? I mean, one thing is. 01:08:31
They didn't provide us with a dollar amount. 01:08:37
The Granite School district want to share that or is that something that's. 01:08:41
Yeah, I have their existing contract and I just don't remember off the top, OK. But we have that information basically. And the 01:08:46
one thing also I that concerns me that you know what, what their tolerance would because particularly the, I mean the fields as 01:08:53
they are are adequately usable for that purpose. And if they're going to be the primary user, that's probably not going to be the 01:09:00
first on my list to prioritize if they're usable as is and they would be the primary user. 01:09:07
And because everything I was considering is right now they're using it as a secondary use because it's primary use is a what had 01:09:16
been a school and it's used for recess and such. And then they were just kind of a marginal user for, you know, as a secondary 01:09:24
sort of user going forward with this plan, they kind of become the primary user, which kind of tells me that. 01:09:33
It's no longer just marginal, marginal cost, empty airline seats, pricing. 01:09:42
Scenario, if they're going to be a primary user, we may want to see what additional pain they can tolerate with regard to, you 01:09:48
know, if we're going to engage in a, you know, multi $1,000,000 park with a big chunk of it going to improving the fields where 01:09:54
there are primary user. 01:10:00
Because we're also talking about a regional user impact soccer as a regional drop, the one regional draw that would be in this 01:10:07
park where the rest of it, we're trying to keep fairly local use. 01:10:13
Councilmember, if we should ask them about what they're experiencing with maintenance right now? 01:10:20
I know that they had mentioned that at Bonneville, the Bonneville Middle School, they had receded and rested the fields for two 01:10:26
years and I believe that was that impact cost. So I, I, I suspect they have some knowledge about the irrigation system and its 01:10:33
functionality that we could probably ask them for as well to kind of see. 01:10:40
Whether a more immediate fix is needed or how long that can be maintained and that kind of thing. And then to to Ryan's point 01:10:48
about grants and funding, youth soccer is a big sport in Utah and that we also have a couple of. 01:10:55
Premier teams, so there's always opportunities for partnerships with groups like Utah Youth Soccer and those kinds of things, so 01:11:04
it's really possible. 01:11:08
Well we love grant money, always great at getting it to. This whole park back here was almost named Holly City Park and Holiday 01:11:13
City Park. 01:11:17
Well, I'm glad that you are perceiving what the intent of sharing the budgetary figures was. It's a bit of a menu of options right 01:11:24
now and it allows you to see what do some of these things cost and and the type of conversation we're having is just what we 01:11:28
hoped, which is. 01:11:33
Now that I see how much it costs, is that really my priority? People are already making do with it as is. Is that one of the first 01:11:39
things we want to do? 01:11:43
If we make a change, are there partners who could help us implement the finances of that? So this is just the type of conversation 01:11:47
we hope to have. Part of the reason we don't have detailed information to share with you on all of this is because we didn't, we 01:11:53
didn't want to get ahead of the council on this. We wanted to hear your thoughts and questions and then we can follow up with the 01:11:59
stakeholders and ask some of these more specific conversations, but only in lockstep with your guidance. 01:12:05
I'll just say piggyback in on what well, I agree with Paul entirely on the on the 1,000,007 is a steep price tag for those fields 01:12:12
that are largely used by Impact, right. And then also with Matt on the phased approach, my appetite for it frankly would be 01:12:19
largely dependent on the availability of grant money in a phased approach as as that availability comes. And the other question I 01:12:26
guess I would pose is I don't know if there's any data that's available that shows and maybe it's completely. 01:12:33
Dependent on the region and things like that, but from a cost benefit standpoint. 01:12:42
You know, like for example, the dog park. I I don't know. 01:12:48
What the proximity of the next closest dog park is, how big of a draw it tends to bring. I know that we do have issues that 01:12:53
convert elementary and some probably ever every elementary with the dog issue. But, but realistically, how far could we expect 01:12:59
that this would alleviate that issue, You know, and I don't know if there's any, you know, any estimates at least or, or anything 01:13:05
along those lines and. 01:13:11
Let's see anyways, yeah, and then I'd love to see. 01:13:19
A proposal as to how you would phase it again probably from a cost benefit standpoint largely right excellent. So we'll plan to to 01:13:22
explore phasing with the steering committee we've been meeting with. And to your question about the dog park, I think we should re 01:13:28
engage the county because in our interaction with them it was very clear that they have done kind of regional study of this and 01:13:34
they were excited about the fact that this was it was being considered here because there is a dearth of it on the east side. So 01:13:40
we can. 01:13:46
What additional information they have and our team will do some additional research. That way we can report back to you at our 01:13:52
next interaction and money that they have available if they're excited about it too. So yeah. 01:13:57
Great. 01:14:03
Has water efficiency and sustainability been any part of your analysis, especially with respect to the athletic fields? That's 01:14:04
that's a big part of it. One of the things we learned in talking with the district is the inefficiency of the current irrigation. 01:14:10
It appeared as though the irrigation water could be dramatically reduced and we could explore what I mean by that in terms of 01:14:16
percentages. When we come back to let you know, that's not an uncommon thing for, for people to ask, but we've seen other 01:14:22
projects. 01:14:28
Irrigation used by 50% by using newer updated systems that don't have leaks, cracks aren't throwing more water than needed, all 01:14:34
those kinds of things. So we can report on that as well. 01:14:40
These are great questions. 01:14:49
Any other questions or comments? 01:14:51
Thank you very much. This has been really, really helpful and very exciting to think about. And thanks for spending the time to 01:14:56
come talk to us tonight. Absolutely. We're glad you want to be engaged this way and we're planning on about a month from now. 01:15:02
So that it fits right in line with. 01:15:08
Budget season. So thank you. Coincidentally, thank you, thank you. 01:15:11
Thanks very much. 01:15:18
The only other thing we have on our agenda tonight is just to review the calendar. I think we have meetings set for next Thursday 01:15:20
and the 16th and then June 6th and 13th and July 11th. A budget season is here. 01:15:27
So there will be opportunities to meet together and talk about that. 01:15:34
Any other comments or questions from the Council? 01:15:40
If not, I will entertain a motion to adjourn. Mr. Chair, move to adjourn. Second. 01:15:44
All in favor, aye. Thank you. We're adjourned. 01:15:50
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Ready. 00:00:02
OK, it's 5:30, so I think we'll get started. I want to welcome everyone to our City Council meeting tonight. 00:00:05
Miss Mayor Dolly, who's not here, so I'm filling in for him and we'll start with a Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:12
Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 00:00:23
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:30
OK, we have. 00:00:41
Kind of a short agenda tonight, but we're going to start with public comment if there's anyone here that would like to address the 00:00:43
City Council during the public comment period. 00:00:47
We always like to hear from Trudy. 00:00:53
It's always good news, right? Trudy from the library, just to let you know, the things that happened in April that were really 00:00:56
awesome in April, we finished tax season that was great. We with the help of the AARP volunteers, approximately 1500 people had 00:01:02
their taxes done at the Holiday Library. 00:01:08
Last month was also library month and as I said before that we are, we went fine free on juvenile and young adult materials, which 00:01:16
is awesome. And it was food for fine. So if you brought in a donation of food and we had a pallet in there which is kind of big in 00:01:22
our small branch, but it was full when they took it away. So thanks to the generosity of everybody in the community. 00:01:29
Umm, the seed library has been going on for a while now and it's going to end, so you have until the 11th. The 11th will be the 00:01:36
last day of the seed library to come get your seeds to plant your gardens. I. 00:01:43
May is Inventors Month, and to celebrate Inventors Month on the 10th we're going to have a tech and toy museum that you can come 00:01:50
at 1:00 and you can see things that my very young librarians are calling artifacts. 00:01:56
Probably things I own. 00:02:03
The 15th will be an after school crew dedicated to outer space and on the 21st there will be a program for littles that is hands 00:02:06
on rocket science. 00:02:10
It will be exciting. 00:02:15
On the 25th, that's the 4th Saturday, we have a health and Wellness exploration. We've been doing sound bathing in May that's 00:02:18
going to switch and they're going to do meditation and breath work, so you're welcome to come and relax. 00:02:24
And just a little glimmer for the future, June 1st is when summer readings starts. So the big kickoff party that's in this area is 00:02:31
going to be at the Mill Creek branch this year. So that's from 5:00 to 8:00 on Friday, May 31st. So you can go have some fun at 00:02:37
the Mill Creek Library to kick off summer reading. 00:02:44
And of course, we will be closed on the 27th for Memorial Day. And that's what's happening at the library. Thank you. Thanks. 00:02:51
Do you have anyone else here for public comment? 00:02:59
If not, we'll next hear from Gina. 00:03:05
Her presentation for the Tentative budget for 20/24/25. 00:03:08
Thank you. 00:03:15
Earlier today, you should have received the tentative budget proposal for the City's fiscal 202425 fiscal year. The budget 00:03:18
represents the combined work of our staff and our contracted agencies who began working on budget preparation earlier this year. I 00:03:25
really appreciate the work of all who have been involved in that effort to bring you that tentative budget today. 00:03:33
The last several years have been both challenging and exciting for Holiday. Holiday is continuing to implement the city's plan for 00:03:42
financial sustainability and infrastructure improvement. The city's most recent bond issued two years ago has allowed us to make 00:03:49
significant improvements on our neighborhood streets, which our residents are certainly seeing. And in the next year, we'll see 00:03:56
many stormwater infrastructure projects completed, making a much more robust network for storm water in our city. 00:04:03
In February of 2023, the council at that time identified several priorities to guide city activities over the next 10 years. 00:04:12
In February of this year, this Council revisited and refined those priorities and focused on five. 00:04:21
Priority areas, the first being a safe community. 00:04:29
Second, excellent public assets and infrastructure. Third, responsive, efficient and sustainable city government. 4th, responsible 00:04:34
development that enhances community. And finally. 00:04:41
You wanted to prioritize holiday continuing to be a great place to live. 00:04:50
Within those priorities are several specific goals that you would like to see achieved, and additional details about those goals 00:04:55
is found in the budget document that you have. 00:04:59
This budget has really been developed with those identified priorities in mind. 00:05:05
The budget also priority prioritizes our city employees, providing a cost of living adjustment and targeted market increases to 00:05:10
make sure holiday attracts and retains high quality staff to best serve our residents. 00:05:17
After several years of double digit growth in sales tax, fueled by the collection of sales tax for online sales, pandemic spending 00:05:26
and inflation. 00:05:30
Those things have slowed down and so sales tax growth in holiday has really stalled over the past year. 00:05:36
Sales tax growth over the preceding three years had allowed us to keep place. 00:05:44
Case with inflationary pressures on both our services and on our project costs, with next year's sales tax collections currently 00:05:49
projected to be at the same level as was budgeted for our current year, we can't rely any longer on that source of revenue to fund 00:05:56
our own expense changes. 00:06:03
With council support, this tentative budget includes a proposed 15% increase in the city's property tax rate. For a holiday home 00:06:11
valued at tax year 2023's average price of $871,000, this increase would be about $95 a year, or about $8 monthly. Should the 00:06:20
council wish to proceed with that increase, a truth and taxation hearing will occur in August before that tax rate is adopted. 00:06:30
This budget also reflects a number of inflationary cost increases for the city, as well as some significant changes in the cost of 00:06:41
our contracts to provide key municipal services. 00:06:46
The largest dollar change in the budget is in a change in providing change in how we will be providing. 00:06:51
Police service in our community with a legislative mandate to remove the sheriff. Salt Lake County as the Executive Unified Police 00:06:59
Department. 00:07:03
You PD is experiencing considerable cost increases in the cost of providing services. Holiday has remained committed to the this 00:07:08
model of providing police services, recognizing that our residents are better served by a model that has the ability to provide a 00:07:16
wealth of resources when we need them and when we can share the cost of those specialized services with other communities. 00:07:24
Council is also in the midst of considering two large potential projects, one of which we're going to spend some time talking 00:07:33
about tonight. 00:07:37
And the other which we spent some time talking about last week, the seismic reinforcement in our nearly 100 year old facility. 00:07:41
While the tentative budget includes a few items associated with those projects, it does not yet develop a full funding strategy 00:07:49
for either project. During the next several weeks, as the council continues to talk about these projects, we'll look for guidance 00:07:56
on how you wish to include those items in the budget that you'll adopt in June. 00:08:03
So this proposed budget includes budgets for the city's general fund and that totals about $22.2 million. Also includes the budget 00:08:11
for the cities Capital Projects fund, storm water fund, debt service grants and arts fund. 00:08:19
And budgets for the redevelopment agencies projects, both the Cottonwood Mall project and Holiday Village are also included in 00:08:28
this document. I really am look forward to talking about city priorities and this document in the coming weeks. 00:08:37
Next week, we will do an overview of the budget in much more detail. We'll talk about those revenue assumptions. 00:08:47
And then we'll spend we'll spend time talking about the storm water fund and our capital projects and parks. 00:08:55
And then May 16th, we'll talk USA. 00:09:03
Administration, Justice, Court and Community and Economic Development. June 6th will be UPD as well as our public hearing on the 00:09:09
budget. We'll we'll also talk about our committees at that point grants and debt service looking toward a June 13th budget 00:09:15
adoption. 00:09:21
So with that, I'm happy to take questions. We're happy to sit down and move on to the next. 00:09:29
Well, first of all, thank you very much for putting this together and for. 00:09:38
Gathering all the information and thank your staff for their help too. I know this is a huge project and you barely get it done 00:09:42
one year but then you're starting it up for the next year so thank you. 00:09:47
Can you just remind us what our kind of statutory obligations are with respect to a timeline? Sure. So I. 00:09:52
In terms of the timeline, you have a responsibility to adopt A budget by the 30th of June and A and I may be reversing these two 00:10:00
and a tax rate by the 22nd of June. And then if you are increasing beyond the certified rate, so if you are moving forward with 00:10:10
that 15% tax increase, another public hearing would be scheduled in August and then at that time you could make changes. 00:10:20
In in the rate that is proposed and then would readopt in that time frame as well. 00:10:30
Does anybody have any questions for Gina? 00:10:39
OK, thanks. 00:10:45
With that. 00:10:49
I would consider a motion to. 00:10:51
Acknowledge receipt and adoption of the Tentative Budget. 00:10:54
Mr. Chair, I move consideration or approval of resolution just as a matter of explanation. First, just to clarify, we are not 00:11:00
adopting the budget, just the tentative budget and acknowledging its receipt. So as as Gina mentioned, over the next several 00:11:07
weeks, we'll be digging into it more deeply and then doing a formal resolution to accept the budget after several runs through it 00:11:14
and possible edits and amendments. So tonight's resolution is just acknowledging receipt and adopting. 00:11:21
Budget as is, so with that. 00:11:29
I move approval of Resolution 2024-16 acknowledging receipt and adopting the tentative budget for 24/20/24 and 25 fiscal year. 00:11:31
2nd. 00:11:41
We have a motion and a second. 00:11:43
Council Member Brewer Yes. Councilmember Fotheringham Yes. Councilmember Quinn Yes. Councilmember Gray, yes. And I also vote yes. 00:11:46
So with that, I think we have adopted the. 00:11:53
Or we've acknowledged receipt and adopted the tentative budget for 20/24/25. 00:12:00
Thank you. Is the setting of the public hearing for June 6th part of that resolution? 00:12:07
I don't know from a formality standpoint, I don't know if that. 00:12:16
Needs to be stated or not, but yeah. 00:12:19
Great. 00:12:23
With that, I would accept. I would. 00:12:27
Entertain a motion to move into our work meeting. 00:12:31
Chair Durham, I move that we recess now into our work meeting. 00:12:39
We can just see this by voice. Voice, correct? 00:12:46
All in favor say aye aye. 00:12:51
OK, we are in our work meeting. 00:12:54
And I think our first item is the adaptive reunion initial presentation for the Spring Lane project. 00:12:57
Presentation. 00:13:19
There we go. 00:13:21
OK, well my name is Dan Smith. I work for MHT and Architects. I'm a landscape architect and we've been working on the Spring Lane 00:13:25
adaptive reuse plan the past few months and. 00:13:30
We met previously to kind of discuss a few things and we're just here to give you an update of the progress. 00:13:36
Umm, Tonight we're going to go over a few things, Um. 00:13:42
I'll let everyone kind of introduce themselves when they stand up to speak, but Leah is going to 1st kind of go over a lot of the 00:13:47
public engagement element of the project and and the progress there. Lauren from MHTN is going to. 00:13:54
Go over the kind of the concept plans and present some kind of exciting. 00:14:01
Graphics and things. 00:14:07
To consider and discuss and then Ryan from age stand is also going to be talking a little bit about cost estimate information 00:14:09
concerning those left him the numbers and the. 00:14:15
Yeah, they get the fun stuff at the end. 00:14:23
Um, but it's been really exciting project and. 00:14:27
And I'll let everyone kind of. 00:14:31
You know, chime in, but. 00:14:35
We're just going to continue. 00:14:38
Obviously working on this over the next month and I. 00:14:40
Hopefully. 00:14:45
You guys will be happy with the progress tonight. I'll let Lee go ahead and you're back. 00:14:47
Yeah. And we'll go to the next slide here and talk about. 00:14:53
The next items here I kind of already went over the agenda. 00:15:01
But we'll talk about the concept surveys and website information that has happened. 00:15:04
Hey, I'm Leah Jeremiah. I'm a public engagement consultant with David Evans and Associates. 00:15:11
Let's go to the next slide. I'm going to give you. There's a lot on these sites. I'm not going to read them all to you. We've been 00:15:17
doing quite a bit of public engagement work. We started with stakeholder meetings with the most immediately impacted stakeholders, 00:15:22
so that includes. 00:15:27
Out of order of slides, but granted school district Impact United which is a big user of this site, Cottonwood Country Club which 00:15:33
is a similar sort of outdoor recreation use adjacent to the site and the immediate residence. So we had some one-on-one meetings 00:15:40
with these key stakeholders and learned that more than 4000 players in Impact United leagues. 00:15:48
Are using this site in Bonneville Middle School together. It's kind of their hub set of fields. 00:15:56
So when we approached them about site reuse, they were a little bit nervous. They used the fields up to three fields at the site 00:16:03
weekdays from 4:00 to 8:00 and weekend days all day long. We also learned that there's quite a bit of competition for multi use 00:16:09
fields on the east bench in Salt Lake. I am a soccer mom and have been driving all over the valley with my daughter who plays 00:16:16
soccer. 00:16:22
To access sports fields and it was not something that I had really thought about, but cross even peewee baseball. 00:16:30
Soccer are big sports in our valley and also on the east side, all competing. 00:16:37
We learned that Impact United does contribute funds and also labor and service to help maintain the fields that they play on, 00:16:43
which is a great service that they are providing to kind of help augment their use. 00:16:48
We talked to the Country Club. They don't see the site as competitive in any way. They have their own membership, but a lot of 00:16:55
community members are using it. They're really the only interface they'd had with the site was that they sometimes use it as 00:17:00
overflow parking when they have a big event. So no real competition there, although they know that. 00:17:06
Folks like pickleball, which we'll talk a little bit more about later. We'll go to the next slide. 00:17:14
Please. So as you likely know, Granite School District is. 00:17:19
Has offered or is entertaining a 99 year lease at a fairly discounted rate. Their intent really has been. 00:17:25
To approve or review a plan from Holiday City that Holiday City wants to see and their their goal there is really to a. 00:17:33
Provide a community use in an open space the kind of only caveat that I think we heard from them was that they want to be able to 00:17:42
preserve their ability to read to access the site in the event of some sort of natural disaster so I'm. 00:17:50
Maybe not. Gina's favorite example of my favorite example is not building a water park on the site that uses the entire site in a 00:17:59
way that you couldn't put mobile buildings or things on at a later time. 00:18:05
So. 00:18:12
They're very interested in learning more about what this plan. 00:18:14
Entails once you have all had your input on it. 00:18:17
We'll go to the next slide. As you all likely know, there is a Regional Park plan in progress for the holiday Lions Creekside 00:18:20
Hillview Basin complex, which is actually on. Maybe let's go to the next slide. 00:18:27
So this is a map from their master plan, which we can provide the links to you, but they're changing up a bit of the usage, but 00:18:36
not a lot of the usage. Creekside, which is on your bottom left will remain a golf, a disc golf course. It's a very popular disc 00:18:42
golf course. We don't see any sort of competition or reuse of that type of program. They the holiday line say, as you all know is 00:18:49
incredibly. 00:18:55
Well utilized for sports so they are looking at adding some more sporting fields on the sort of central. 00:19:03
East side and they're looking at some more natural use in that sort of northern portion as well as some trails. So some of the 00:19:08
things that we wanted to learn from them were about walking trails, shade dog parks in particular, so that we are supporting use 00:19:15
but not competing. 00:19:21
So. 00:19:28
Which are all good things, because then we had a neighborhood workshop. 00:19:33
Which is our next slide. We invited folks who back onto the site. 00:19:38
What we wanted to do there was really understand what. 00:19:43
Potential uses could be problematic for adjacent neighbors or things that they are already seeing that are happening that they 00:19:47
like or don't like, right. We didn't want to present any kind of concept that would, you know, receive a lot of pushback from 00:19:53
adjacent property owners and residents. So I was really surprised, and I've said this to our team in other places in the Valley, 00:19:59
people are really encouraging a lot of turf removal. And when we engaged in some conversations around that, everyone said, where 00:20:05
are those kids? 00:20:10
Play soccer. So we folks in the neighborhood are used to what's happening at the site. They had some great ideas about ways that 00:20:17
it can be improved, but they weren't looking to completely change the way that it's operating. There wasn't anything there that we 00:20:24
saw as deeply problematic about the way the site is is being accessed or used. So that was great. A lot of what they said is shown 00:20:32
on this slide and I think it's also reflected very clearly in the survey. So we'll jump to that. Folks love. 00:20:39
View of the mountains from the site. They like the open fields, they like the. 00:20:47
Use that it could have as walking trails or dog park, which is a huge piece. We're seeing a lot of dog park use there now and 00:20:54
there were some complaints from folks about the fact that dog waste is not being managed very well that a lot of dogs are off 00:21:02
leash and just sort of in the in the whole site. And we saw a very a pretty significant write in set of comments around. 00:21:10
Dog parks, walking trails and those kinds of amenities. 00:21:19
We had this is 630, but I think when we closed we were closer to 680 responses, which is I think pretty great. We had a lot of 00:21:25
comments about things that. 00:21:31
Or maybe also not. 00:21:37
Included in something that the city would entertain, which were splash pads, pools and sort of large water play. So as we go on in 00:21:39
the slide a little bit, we'll talk about that, but. 00:21:46
A lot of requests for pickleball, some real excitement about some of the other features that my teammates will talk about here. 00:21:54
So with that, we have a couple of FAQs that we've drafted on the next slide, and we're also happy to take your input on this. But 00:22:02
we've kind of tried to explain how this input will inform the process. So the concepts that you're going to see today are 00:22:08
different from what you've seen before because we've been incorporating that feedback as we've gone. 00:22:15
There was not a lot of pushback. There were a few comments that said no dog park, but there wasn't a lot of pushback on dog parks. 00:22:23
And what we know about dog parks is that when you provide a place that's clear and obvious and the amenities that go with it, 00:22:29
trash cans and dog waste bags, people are better about cleaning up after themselves. It's not a perfect solution, but putting a 00:22:36
dog park that's clearly designated is. It tends to provide better use than just sort of leaving it unmanaged. 00:22:42
We addressed that sort of multi use field competition thing that's happening here and then we also address. 00:22:50
Any kind of water that would be reused as opposed to like the water pump at. 00:22:57
Knudsen Park that that water is kind of a single use. It doesn't need to be treated. 00:23:05
So as you all consider this, and if you have other questions that you think your constituents or neighbors might have, let us 00:23:11
know. We're happy to include those in the FAQs. 00:23:15
And Morgan is going to talk about the concept and I'm sure that will raise a good discussion of how we've arrived at these. 00:23:20
Thanks. 00:23:28
Thanks, Leah. Hi, everyone. My name is Lauren Leisman. I am a planner at MHT and Architects. I'm going to walk us through the 00:23:32
concepts. So what you're seeing here on the slides are just kind of what we were drawing and figuring out with just internally 00:23:39
with our team, but then also with the steering committee kind of came up with and we gave them pieces to kind of where do those 00:23:46
big pieces land? But so those all played a big part in the design. Oh, next slide, please. 00:23:52
So with all the survey input, focus group, all of that and meeting with the steering committee, we decided to start really high 00:24:01
level and just create these bubble diagrams. And these are really just to kind of narrow down what are some options of where these 00:24:08
bubbles land, where do these big pieces fall and what kind of organization strategy do we like the best? 00:24:15
So we presented 3 concepts to the steering committee. And after much discussion and great, it all kind of landed on concept three 00:24:23
really being the larger parking lot. Because understanding the kind of with so much activity happening, we're going to need some 00:24:31
parking space for people who'll get busy on the weekends and on those on those big days. And then really leaving a big open space 00:24:38
for multi-purpose field use. 00:24:46
If you'd like to go to the next slide. 00:24:53
So while we were working on this, we were starting to pull some ideas and inspiration from other projects within the in this 00:24:57
country and then internationally as well. 00:25:02
One we really want to kind of focus on is shown at the bottom right corner and that's the rail yard rail yards in Santa Fe, NM 00:25:09
where they reused a lot of the material from the existing use to build to incorporate within the park. So they use like the real 00:25:16
railroad ties and things like that to build pergolas and pavilions and things like that. So we found that to be a really great 00:25:23
kind of precedent for this project. 00:25:30
So yeah, take some time to look into that at some point. Next slide, please. 00:25:39
So with using kind of concept 3 as a template, we put together 2 sub concepts. So we've got concept A and concept B. They're both 00:25:45
almost exactly the same. The only difference between the two is just how we've laid out the trailways, the pathways. 00:25:54
So I'm going to kind of walk us through the site and then I'll show you what Concept B looks like. So with the kind of expanded 00:26:04
and redesigned parking lot, we're seeing a potential of 188 parking stalls, which is over 100 more that's current than that's 00:26:11
currently on the site. So that's great. As we move kind of to the center middle, we see a pavilion with restrooms. The pavilion 00:26:19
could be a new build or it could, you know, reuse some of the materials from the school. 00:26:26
Like those great awesome large structural beams could be reused to to kind of build the pavilion and then of course maintaining 00:26:34
the courtyard garden, which kind of is what we heard a lot from all parties would be really great to to keep. 00:26:41
And then at the center, understanding noise of pickleball courts. 00:26:50
That we kind of wanted to centrally locate them far away from the residents so that we could kind of dampen the the noise that 00:26:56
would come from that. 00:27:00
As we move to the east side, we are showing a dog park. We do understand that could be a pretty loud use as well and we are right 00:27:05
next to those neighbors. So we envision some sort of like densely vegetating that kind of east edge, maybe incorporating some 00:27:12
berms to kind of block visual and some sound issues that might come from the dog park. 00:27:20
As we move just below the pavilion and courtyard area, that kind of light brown area is a playground and that's 3/4 of an acre, 00:27:28
which is really big. As we're kind of continuing to refine this concept, we we could fit a small pump track, bouldering wall, 00:27:35
climbing wall. Those are the kind of amenities that popped up a lot in the survey as well as just a space for traditional kind of 00:27:41
playground equipment. 00:27:48
And then of course, the big piece of this is the five acres of multi filled use space, multi-purpose field space. We are showing 2 00:27:56
full size soccer fields of course that can be used for many. And then that kind of mid tone green around them is 20 to 30 feet of 00:28:04
spectator space. Either could be flexed, it could be overflow. 00:28:12
For games or team needs to play on to that, it can be used for that. 00:28:20
And then all around the edges of this site, we see the dark green or where we see kind of perennial plantings, some gardens, 00:28:26
something pretty to look at, as well as maybe some buildings up, some more berms on the side to kind of help create a buffer for 00:28:33
those residents to the east and the West. But then also to kind of give an option if there are those really big game days on the 00:28:41
site, it could be some seating for people. 00:28:48
That are watching the game. 00:28:55
And then on the out, on the very outside, we see, we're showing kind of a double path. We see a concrete path which was really 00:28:58
requested on the survey. So that goes all the way around and that's about a half a mile. And then the kind of the darker the brown 00:29:04
path next to it we see is potentially like a crushed granite gravel path that people could ride their bikes on or if they prefer 00:29:11
to run on that kind of surface. 00:29:18
There's that, and along these trails we see either an educational moment. 00:29:25
They could be signage that talks about the history of the school, plantings, whatever, and you could also incorporate since skate, 00:29:30
skate and bike facilities were brought up a lot in the survey. 00:29:36
You could incorporate some furniture, scalable pieces, or little moments where people could kind of ride their bike up a berm or 00:29:44
something, you know, something fun that can all be incorporated within that trail system. 00:29:51
As we go to the next slide, please. 00:29:59
And so concept B, all the same big pieces are in the same spot. The only thing is that we see the kind of pathways meandering a 00:30:02
little bit more is more curve, which allows us to get a little bit more distance. We get about 1/4 of a mile more. 00:30:10
More pathways on the site. 00:30:20
But with that we do start to eat in a little bit of that spectator buffer. 00:30:23
You can go to the next slide please. 00:30:28
So here they are side by side, so you can kind of compare them against each other. And really the differences between the two is 00:30:32
concept A is a little bit simpler in form. We get a little bit more field space with this concept, but less pathways, garden 00:30:39
space, dog park and playground. And concept B we get a little bit more of an organic shape that flow. We kind of meandering paths 00:30:47
which get us more pathways, garden space, dog park and playground, but just slightly less field space. 00:30:54
And really it's just the spectator buffer, so. 00:31:02
Great. I'll pass it over to Ryan to talk about the fun stuff. Money. 00:31:05
Can I ask you a couple of quick questions actually before we move on to the money just fast? 00:31:12
So from a capacity standpoint, current fields, number of fields there is it kind of on par with with with what's being used field 00:31:15
wise? 00:31:19
Lee, I wonder if you want to answer this one for us? 00:31:25
If you know, I don't. 00:31:28
My numbers, so they they play depends on the year and then the age of the participants. So they have I think it's 7 on 7/9 on 9:00 00:31:30
and 11:00 on 11. So right now they're playing 111 on 11 and 29 on nines. 00:31:38
So this is. 00:31:48
Maybe slightly less, but it's sort of the compromise between the full use right now they have the sort of the southern half is to. 00:31:50
Nine on nines and then they play one in that eastern edge. And then I assume that from this buffer for spectators. And then I 00:32:02
assume that similar to parking spot allocations and that there's some type of the concept B would be adequate is presumed to be 00:32:09
adequate based off of field sizes and anticipated load and that kind of a thing I'm guessing. Is that right? 00:32:16
I don't know how much of A science it is, but yeah, yeah, OK. 00:32:26
Any other questions? 00:32:31
Well, great to be back with you tonight. Just a reminder, framing kind of the purpose of the conversation or somewhere midway 00:32:35
through this process. And so it's a great opportunity to show you what concepts are emerging as we've been engaging with city 00:32:40
staff. 00:32:44
Stakeholders. 00:32:50
Hearing things from the public and even that resident meeting that we had here, these concepts. 00:32:51
Give you a sense of what balancing all those things would look like, Jonathan, if you want to jump forward for us. 00:32:57
What might these look like in terms of cost, Right. So a couple of things that we've learned over the last few years, very 00:33:05
important to present when we talk about costs. As Gina mentioned, we've seen significant inflation over the last few years. So if 00:33:11
you're thinking about this in in reference to say Knudsen Park for instance, what we're talking about here is a 12 acre site which 00:33:17
is large, it's significant. 00:33:23
There's an existing building on site and what we're talking about cost wise is total replacement of everything that you see on the 00:33:31
site. So just know there are opportunities to reduce costs if that's something the city would like to do. And just remember also. 00:33:39
Projects can always be phased, so no one is saying everything needs to be done all at once. There are lots of different funding 00:33:47
mechanisms, grants, opportunities to fund different pieces of this, so just know that this could happen in a phased way overtime. 00:33:54
We've engaged a cost estimator. 00:34:02
Construction Control Corporation. 00:34:05
One of the best in the industry, works here locally, very familiar with with costs and we thought that was really important to 00:34:08
best serve holidays and make decisions. 00:34:12
The numbers that we're presenting right again, we're at a conceptual level that is done with intent to allow the Council. 00:34:16
At a kind of midway stage through this process, the opportunity to weigh in and say, whoa, this is this is costing more than we 00:34:23
had anticipated or we like where this is coming in, explore these further. So changes can still be made at this phase as I guess 00:34:28
what I'm saying. 00:34:32
The numbers that we're looking at are in $2024.00, so if they were to bid at some point this year. 00:34:37
That seems not not feasible or likely based on what Gene is described right. You're looking ahead at your your fiscal budget for 00:34:44
next year. So if you look at bidding something like this and next year assume 8% inflation is what the the market is looking at 00:34:51
right now year over year. Again, we're all sort of taking out our crystal ball trying to guess where the market goes next. 00:34:57
The last thing I'd like to say, because of the conceptual nature of what we're looking at, these prices could vary you. You could 00:35:05
come down 15 or 20% based on some of the decisions you made. 00:35:10
If we, if we've added more scope items to this park project, you could go up 15 or 20%. So just know that your decisions still can 00:35:16
dramatically impact this one way or the other. So maybe Jonathan, the best thing to do is to just jump to the comparison slide for 00:35:24
purposes of of getting us to a point where we allow you more, more opportunities to. 00:35:31
To weigh in, so Lauren has outlined for you concepts A&B. 00:35:40
We could look. 00:35:46
As low as 8.3 million or as high as just over 9 million here. So what are some of the differences? 00:35:49
As you know, there's there are unforeseen, you do the best that you can to predict it, but a new construction project typically 00:36:26
hasn't a cost contingency of about 5%. 00:36:32
A renovation or historic reuse like that you you build in maybe say 15% into your budget 'cause they're just unknowns that come 00:36:38
up, but there are some really significant opportunities there to repurpose. 00:36:43
Some of them were signature spaces of Spring Lane Elementary as future kind of outdoor pavilion space, open air, but retaining 00:36:49
some of what's been built there and and really recognizing the heritage of the site. 00:36:55
And and as Lauren mentioned, the courtyard garden is a key component to be maintained at least as as that piece would be fully 00:37:01
integrated into the park. 00:37:06
In this current concept. 00:37:11
The other things that would be different would be the amount of plantings at the perimeter. Organic pathways with curvilinear 00:37:13
edges do cost more. They look nice. It's something we all appreciate in park spaces, but they cost a little bit more money. 00:37:20
I should also mention that another way that costs could be brought down if you desired is currently this estimating anticipates 00:37:27
total replacement and expansion of the parking. If you wanted to say we we leave the existing parking as is, we add in that's one 00:37:34
opportunity you could have to bring down costs initially and think about this project in a phased sort of way. Couple of things 00:37:41
that are not in here that the city would need to think about that I'd like to flag for you. 00:37:48
Simply because we don't know what the relationship of the nature of the contract with Granite District would be. There's no 00:37:57
demolition of the building. 00:38:01
In here currently, right, That's because we don't know exactly what the conditions of the contract with Granite School District 00:38:05
would be and we haven't made a final decision or or given been given direction with regards to how much adaptive reuse of some of 00:38:10
that building should we pursue. So know that that number is still out there that could be anywhere from 10 to $12.00 a square 00:38:15
foot. 00:38:20
The other thing is typically when pursuing a project like this, what we're showing you are the construction costs. 00:38:25
Gina and other members of the city staff will build a total project budget for you. That would account for other things like 00:38:32
design fees, contractor fees for doing the work, any permitting fees that may be associated. Oftentimes you'll include demolition, 00:38:38
hazardous material abatement, abatement, those kinds of items with land in your total project cost, which were not yet showing. 00:38:44
We'll know more about that once we get direction from you tonight. 00:38:51
I think those are the key ideas that we wanted to capture with regards to cost. 00:38:58
Are there any questions relative to cost or should we open it up for just discussion in general? This is the end of our update 00:39:03
presentation and we look forward to interaction with you now. 00:39:08
The cost for the fields, is this anticipating that you would basically take out the old fields, the old plumbing sprinkler system 00:39:15
and redo them? Thank you, Drew, that's a great question. I should have mentioned that yes, this does anticipate. That's another 00:39:22
way that you could think about this to either reduce cost or phase it. The field is right. The irrigation is not ideal. In some 00:39:29
locations, the fields might be described as lumpy. 00:39:37
It does work for youth soccer, but what is shown in here currently is total replacement of the irrigation system. 00:39:44
The turf and re leveling of those fields so. 00:39:52
That's another opportunity that you could consider. 00:39:58
Along the same lines, what is the state of the current parking lot? You mentioned that this is a complete overhaul, the parking 00:40:04
lot. Do you have, is it in poor condition, it needs to be overhauled or it's nearing the end of its life, but it is still 00:40:10
serviceable. Part of the reason that we've included total replacement is that as you'll see in the concept. 00:40:16
It's kind of a sea of asphalt and it felt appropriate within the concept that's being presented here is that the sense of arrival 00:40:23
to this local park in Holiday, a city well known for its St. canopy, is to introduce more trees and greenery as you arrive to the 00:40:28
park itself, no longer needing the same type of large turning radii for buses and other things. There would be an opportunity to 00:40:34
to make that sense of arrival feel more something that you would typically associate with the city of Holiday, right? A tree 00:40:40
canopy that grows in over time and. 00:40:46
Green and shaded, as opposed to what can often be a very hot parking lot condition. But there are still a few years left in the 00:40:53
life of that asphalt. Another opportunity for phasing here. 00:40:58
Come on. Up, down. 00:41:08
One other thing with that part is. 00:41:10
Striking. 00:41:14
This is the first time I've heard about a 99 year lease. Is that a thing really? 00:41:25
So that is not the direction that my conversations with Granite School District have gone, but I'll be interested to hear hear 00:41:32
more about that. 00:41:36
That was my notes said. 00:41:43
That was for verbal notes from a meeting, so it may be that when you get to the final negotiation, that number. 00:41:47
Yeah, we've been hearing you some closer to like 2025 with options to renew up to 40 and who knows what that's what. 00:41:55
Discussions have been. 00:42:02
OK. And then? 00:42:04
Of course, the demolition. 00:42:08
Our initial conversations with them had been that they would the school district would deal with demolition once we gave that a 00:42:12
green light. That's not uncommon. 00:42:17
Yeah. And that is that is the conversation we've had to date. But to Ryan's point, we have not memorialized that in an agreement 00:42:23
yet. So I think it was a good idea to flag that as a potential cause. We thought to flag it because it they may be willing to do 00:42:31
that, but then potentially factor that into part of the finances of a lease agreement. It would be their obligation to explore the 00:42:38
building and understand if there's any hazardous material that needs to be removed regardless. But we also flagged. 00:42:46
Point out because we don't quite know yet what the appetite is for some historic adaptive reuse of the facility. That was my 00:42:54
question does that. 00:42:58
Complicate or provide opportunities or both for adaptive reuse of some of the elements? I would say it does both. The benefits 00:43:03
would be that for those who have a strong connection to the school, and there are many that we knew it as Meadow more and now have 00:43:10
known it more recently as Spring Lane, there are many who have expressed a desire to see at least the courtyard garden component 00:43:17
retained. We had the opportunity to walk through about two weeks ago with city staff. 00:43:24
Several from Granite School District. There are several spaces that are quite lovely. The multi-purpose room and the northeastern 00:43:32
corner is kind of a double height space with a beautiful timber ceiling. We see that as a space that has potential that it could 00:43:38
be adaptively reused as your pavilion rather than bringing in a new. 00:43:44
Kind of foreign element to create a pavilion structure. You could adaptively reuse that space. It would require quite a bit of 00:43:52
work. You'd remove exterior walls, replace lighting. You'd need to do some new things to protect that timber to now, right? It 00:43:57
would need to be sealed. 00:44:02
But you wouldn't have, you know, new mechanical needs associated with it. You'll need to address restrooms. 00:44:08
What's their existing doesn't meet current code for a public use and would need to be replaced Finishes and those sorts of things. 00:44:16
So there is expense, but you'd have that opportunity to retain something. 00:44:21
Really important to the community, same way as you've done the City Hall. There's another space on the southern edge of the 00:44:27
building which also has that same lovely timber ceiling that could be retained for kind of outdoor shade canopies like was being 00:44:35
depicted in the the project in Santa Fe, NM. So we think there's a strong opportunity. All of this would require seismic updating 00:44:42
to be brought to current code to make sure that lateral systems in the event of earthquake or strong winds. 00:44:50
To extend their useful life. 00:45:28
But we want to understand it would likely. 00:45:31
Lead to some increased cost, but it has those other benefits which we see. 00:45:35
So we wanted to understand the council's direction on that before we took it much further, but that is something we're currently 00:45:41
exploring as adaptive reuse of those two spaces specifically to meet some of the future needs of the park. 00:45:46
Can you tell us a little bit more about the outreach that occurred with the neighborhood, the neighbors? 00:45:53
How, how many meetings there were, how they were notified about them, what kind of input you got? Great question. I'm gonna invite 00:45:59
Leah to answer that. She's been an excellent team member and. 00:46:03
As useful information so we delivered, we hand delivered Flyers to each of the homes that backs onto the perimeter. And then so we 00:46:08
had one meeting and we were pretty clear I think with folks that this. 00:46:15
Was the very beginning of public outreach and we let them know that we would be taking their input. And I think you can go, I 00:46:23
think it's two slides. 00:46:26
No one more. 00:46:32
That one. 00:46:35
So we invited them to come. We had 22 people come, which I think was almost all of the properties represented. There were maybe 00:46:38
four that weren't represented. And we had them sit at tables with their neighbors, show them the site we asked them a couple of 00:46:43
prompts about. 00:46:48
What they lived about the site, what they wanted, what they'd like to see. 00:46:54
We had some really great conversations. I thought we stayed the entire, what, two hours and had really great conversations. There 00:46:58
were questions about whether the building could be reused or it might be reused. What? 00:47:04
Whether pieces could be reused? 00:47:13
And then we also let them know, we kept all their e-mail addresses and let them know when the survey had come out so that they 00:47:16
could see how the. 00:47:21
Concepts were evolving based on their input, so. 00:47:26
There hasn't been a lot of engagement since the survey closed yesterday, the day before yesterday. The next step really is to 00:47:30
start to get some guidance and then we can help your staff communicate back to the public. Here's what we're thinking and whether 00:47:38
we want to talk about costs and how those things get paid for, right? That was a big piece of the conversation. 00:47:45
Yeah, and the website, that's right. So the website went up. 00:47:55
And we will be providing a quick report here in the next week or so about what we're hearing back so we can kind of show what the 00:48:00
key programming elements are that the public is supporting. 00:48:07
And we've tried to be pretty clear I think with the public that all of this is pretty high level conceptual pending discussion 00:48:16
about costs. 00:48:20
And that there hasn't been any discussion about how any of that might be funded yet. So I think and I think people were pretty, I 00:48:25
think they understood that fact that it's an investment in the community that we're we're just starting kind of up here with. 00:48:32
One other item that I'll just add from the resident meeting, we had excellent turn out. It was held in this space. 00:48:40
Some of the types of things that were mentioned were concerned about this being something different than just a local park. There 00:48:47
was concern about any items that you might locate here that could seem more like a regional draw right to bring additional parking 00:48:55
needs or traffic to the area was expressed concerns about hours of operation sound right. There was a lot of discussion about if 00:49:02
pickleball is here, where would it be located because we know it can be noisy If a dog park goes here, it's. 00:49:10
The site's already being used sort of de facto as a dog park. Where would it be located? How could it be? 00:49:18
Patrol to make sure that people are using those facilities properly. 00:49:24
There were conversations about we don't need something like a skate park here. That type of regional draw need has already been 00:49:28
met elsewhere in the city. So there was there were general concerns about light at night, sounds, how many people are drawn to the 00:49:35
site. A lot of focus on people still felt very comfortable about continuing the use of the multi-purpose athletic fields. Walking 00:49:41
path was very popular. People felt like that would be something. 00:49:47
Very unifying pavilions and and play equipment for all ages. Those were those are strong themes and if I've forgotten any Leah, 00:49:55
please. 00:49:59
Please let me know. But those those came very clearly out of the resident meeting. If we were to look at like a phased approach to 00:50:03
this, do you already have ideas about order or timing on, on what you would recommend for that? Or is that something that you 00:50:11
would need to still look into? And we would develop that for our next interaction, which we anticipate being about a month away. 00:50:18
But absolutely if that's a priority of the council and and we anticipate it likely would be, that's something we often see. 00:50:25
Plans is tell us which of these items are most important. Let's tackle those first. What would the order of operations be? Could 00:50:33
you help us identify some funding sources that we could pursue outside of our. 00:50:39
Our general fund, what grants and types of other alternative funding sources exist, That's not an uncommon request. It's something 00:50:46
we would anticipate but wanted to understand and receive direction from you all so at at the moment. 00:50:53
We don't have any specific recommendations, but we have a few thoughts about individual elements and how they could be phased. 00:51:00
As far as public comment goes, I think she mentioned that the survey was closed a couple of days ago. Is that right? Is there 00:51:07
procedurally would you anticipate, is that kind of like we've received all the public comment to maybe be a benefit or would you 00:51:13
anticipate other throughout the process that there would be an additional public engagement? 00:51:18
That's a great question. 00:51:24
Really at your discretion. 00:51:26
I think it. 00:51:29
Often people like to weigh in on stylistic choices, colors, themes, playground type, equipment, those kinds of pieces. That's a 00:51:31
great place to do it. 00:51:36
Every city is different in terms of the way it engages its constituents about funding. That might be another place where you could 00:51:43
engage folks about priorities or funding. 00:51:48
We do not have any more engagement planned besides this final sort of reporting back on what the concept plan, what we heard and 00:51:54
how it reflects what we heard from the public. 00:51:59
And one other detail just to mention is that. 00:52:08
Reminding us all that we're at a master plan phase. So right now the most helpful comment is the types of programmatic uses people 00:52:11
would like to see, the general ambiance of what they hope for, right? We're hearing that this is a local park, not a Regional 00:52:17
Park. It should meet the needs of this neighborhood 1st and then the rest of the city, of course, but it's not trying to draw 00:52:24
people from outside of Holiday City to it by any of the uses that are being located here. 00:52:31
Be really important to understand the attitude towards potential adaptive reuse of some of the building. 00:52:38
Understanding costs, I mean those are the things that are most important in a master plan. And then of course to the question that 00:52:45
was asked. 00:52:47
Phasing. Should the team identify some phasing in here? Those are things that are most important because you'll have if you move 00:52:51
forward with this and do. 00:52:55
Enter into an agreement with the school district. You'll have the opportunity to go through a full design phase where all the 00:53:01
specificities of actual finishes. 00:53:05
Plant selection, all those types of items will it's, it's very fun to move forward and design. But the master plan stage we're 00:53:10
kind of putting, so to speak, the big rocks of the project in now the pieces that we love those programmatic items in or we've got 00:53:16
some concern about this one, maybe that shouldn't be in the master plan. Those are the types of things that are most helpful to 00:53:21
guiding the city to move forward. 00:53:26
So, Ryan, knowing that, we have asked you to finalize a concept plan. 00:53:33
In a short period of time, in a month, What kind of conversation or direction from the Council would be most helpful at this 00:53:38
point? 00:53:43
Yeah, great question, Gina. 00:53:48
If you have any, if any, of the programmatic areas that we've shown? 00:53:51
That you have concerns with that now would be a great opportunity to say that if you if you were to say. 00:53:56
You know, I've heard from constituents that we're not comfortable with pickleball. It's accommodated elsewhere. We don't want to 00:54:03
see it here. 00:54:06
Part of the reason it's here is that we heard that very significantly through the survey, but there was concern about the noise 00:54:10
of, of pickleball the the lights in the evening. It's so popular to just draw a lot of people and there was concern expressed at 00:54:16
the resident meeting. So that's just one example or if you were to say. 00:54:22
You know, having a small. 00:54:30
Off leash dog area, is that the right approach? Those types of things would be very beneficial. We'd like to continue exploring 00:54:33
adaptive reuse of just those two areas that I mentioned inside the building for you. 00:54:39
But understanding if you'd like us to keep exploring that because the further we explore to the point that Gina is asking, we can 00:54:46
dial in costs and give you more specific. Right now we've given you quite a range of of cost. 00:54:52
Also understanding if you're did you have any sticker shock with the costs that were shared? 00:54:58
Should the team be targeting something smaller than that? Those are the types of things that would be really helpful to us because 00:55:04
we're in that process of refinement and we're at the concept state. So now is now is a great time to find out. Are there elements 00:55:09
that that you've been hearing that you'd like to see reflected that we're not showing right now? Now is a perfect time to let us 00:55:15
know or if there are some of these that you say. 00:55:20
That doesn't feel right. Let's talk about it. Maybe we remove it. Another option is when the master plan completes, we could 00:55:25
target an area and say this could be a dog park or this could be some other type of use. So a master plan can have some 00:55:32
flexibility built into it as well if you'd like to, if you're hoping to have more conversation with the community about any of 00:55:38
these specific items. But what we'd like to do is give you a very useful master plan that has. 00:55:45
Costs associated with it and some anticipated phasing if that's what it would be most helpful to you. 00:55:52
So then you can move forward and make decisions what I would anticipate. 00:55:58
In my past work with many communities, is it that you'll want to see a phased approach to understand which things would be most 00:56:02
impactful and what could we do over time? And we're happy, happy to do that for you if that's the direction you'd like us to go. 00:56:09
But sometimes cities have a wealth of impact fees waiting around that need to be utilized. Not our case. It would largely depend 00:56:16
on grants, would it not? And I suppose in this case this would be expanding service and so it wouldn't be applicable. 00:56:23
But anyway, there are there are some circumstances we're doing all of it at once is the right choice, but but that's rare. 00:56:30
Well, early on in the process with the steering committee, some of the broad direction we provided, which I think you you've done 00:56:38
a great job at integrating those things are we, we didn't want to have amenities that were going to have significant ongoing 00:56:44
maintenance costs. So we wanted to keep the those amenities to be maintainable, sustainable and not because we're not a growing 00:56:50
city. 00:56:57
Like other places with Greenfield development, so our budget doesn't grow with growing population like some other places. So we 00:57:04
wanted to make sure that the amenities were reasonable for ongoing maintenance and I think this looks great for that. 00:57:12
Also, yeah, when you first see that price, it is there is some sticker shock, but then think if we can phase it over because we 00:57:23
certainly couldn't you know gobble 8 or 9 million in a single budget year since our total annual budget is. 00:57:29
You know less than 20, right? 00:57:35
So what's 22 now? I think when I-15 was in my head, I think when we I first joined the council. So it's good, but. 00:57:37
So yeah, to be able to phase it and then. 00:57:46
But with regard to some adaptive reuse, I think there's been general consensus with the steering committee overtime, but nothing's 00:57:50
been decided. Nothing's been decided, but we were trying to figure out, is there any way to, you know, does it make sense to keep 00:57:56
part of the building? 00:58:02
And the general consensus was in terms of having an ongoing indoor facility, no, that makes zero sense to me. And no one could 00:58:08
seem to make a whole lot of sense of that. But elements such as those beams, you know, if we were to integrate those those kind of 00:58:15
iconic beams in the lunchroom assembly area into the pavilion to, to reflect that history would be great, you know, if that 00:58:22
didn't. 00:58:29
Create a, you know, an additional cost problem, but perhaps even ameliorate some cost, but to to keep that. 00:58:36
And then of course, there's that, you know, funky cubic facade, which may not it's, you know, physically itself need to be kept 00:58:44
unless that could be realistically done. But if if there's some sort of in the. 00:58:52
In the decorative scheme to try to give reflect that sort of history, whether it's you know on the pavilion or you know, in some 00:59:00
of the cement work to kind of to pay homage to to that. 00:59:07
Element of the school that was there for so long. So in terms of that sort of adaptive reuse of elements, but but not an adaptive 00:59:15
reuse that that that. 00:59:20
Contemplates saving a part of the building. 00:59:26
As an indoor thing, because we thought that having to heat and cool secure staff when we don't really have any staff located over 00:59:31
there would would create some. 00:59:37
Unreasonable marginal cost to maintain. So I think just outdoor park, but but being able to you know, reuse some of the elements 00:59:46
to pay homage to what was there I think is a great idea. And I think we we've had some consensus in that regard on the steering 00:59:53
committee level. 00:59:59
With regard to the dog park, I know there's probably not a whole lot of consensus there yet. I I'd like to see it even though I 01:00:09
don't have a dog. I know a lot of my neighbors have dogs and they like to have a dog park. And I know that in our discussions with 01:00:15
the county, they indicated that they their dog park plan is fairly empty on the east side in terms of the regional parks. And so 01:00:21
there wouldn't be a whole lot of. 01:00:28
Competition, well, we probably have some draw there. 01:00:35
I don't know if it'd be regional, but there there aren't a whole lot of alternatives. 01:00:39
Outside of this opportunity on the Salt Lake County Regional Park Plan. 01:00:46
I know the mayor sort of is a bit, I don't want to speak for him, but for what I've heard him say is he was less convinced that 01:00:53
that the off leash dog park would be respected in the in terms of they'd only be off leash in there or, or the, you know, having a 01:01:00
dog park attracts more dogs and thus we have more dog mess. And that that he wasn't as optimistic I was about the quality of dog 01:01:07
owner behavior. 01:01:14
Three card having a dog park. 01:01:22
I was a little more optimistic about that, particularly we could create a culture and signage and neighborhood pressure to behave 01:01:24
with your dog and that there is this investment made for your dog to be over there off leash and so implying that outside the dog 01:01:31
park it should be on leash. 01:01:37
So, so, but, but my point being the rest quite as much consensus on the dog park element as as on some of the other elements. So I 01:01:44
don't know if that's helpful. I, I don't, I haven't been in the same meetings that you've been in. But I think because of the 01:01:52
problems that we're having at a lot of the elementary schools with dogs, I think it's a great idea to have a place to send them 01:01:59
because as you say, there's a dearth of options on the east side. So I I. 01:02:06
I think that there's reasonable concerns for dog owner behavior, but right now those are spread over a lot of the green spaces in 01:02:15
our city and so. 01:02:20
Maybe, hopefully we could target that, create a magnet and then work on behavior, yeah. 01:02:25
I love pickleball and would be excited to have pickleball courts, but I also respect neighbours concerns about noise and I and it 01:02:32
looks like you've tried to place those centrally located to limit that as much as possible. Do you does anyone know how far that 01:02:38
sound carries? Like I mean, is this is this just like this is the best place or do we really know that like the neighbors might 01:02:44
not hear it at that point or? 01:02:50
OK. 01:03:02
Okay. 01:03:05
And it's not involved. 01:03:19
And. 01:03:25
I know that there are a lot of presidential homes around there. 01:03:33
And I love the idea that should be. 01:03:36
Treaties and the scrubber that you can have planted around it would be extremely appreciated and helpful. And I also think the 01:03:42
light side has probably lights being on constantly and it's like a Walmart parking lot and. 01:03:50
I know that they would be in the city functioning. 01:04:00
And can go on. So after midnight. So I think that's a plus and I'm sure there are regulations that wouldn't have to be off. 01:04:08
Because they have one. 01:04:24
Interesting. 01:04:50
Let me just interrupt for one, one second. This is we're really. 01:05:02
And I wanted to tell you, all of a sudden, the popular fans just just. 01:05:07
And I called the artist and she he told me the field was probably in miles and miles to go. Interesting. 01:05:15
This this is really an opportunity for us to hear from the. 01:05:27
Architects and we are looking forward to opportunities for public input for sure we want we want to hear from everyone, but we 01:05:32
want to be sure we get through your presentation and the council's questions on this so that you can get the direction that you 01:05:38
need. For my part, I think the elements, the programmatic elements look look good I. 01:05:44
I don't have strong feelings about pickleball, but I know others do, so I'm happy to sort of take the community's lead on that. 01:05:51
I'm very interested in phasing because I think that'll just make it a more workable project for the city. 01:06:01
And then I, I think the adaptive reuse to some of the elements of the school is actually really important because I think there's. 01:06:07
A real emotional connection to from the community to the school because of. 01:06:15
People that went there, people who sent their kids there, and I think just in terms of having a sense of place in the city, 01:06:20
preserving some of that is is really important so. 01:06:25
Those would be my points. 01:06:31
No, it's not Regine. It's not public comment Regine. 01:06:37
Thank you. 01:06:42
No. Well. 01:06:43
OK, thanks. Any other comments from the council? Speaking of noise, has anyone spoken with A? 01:06:47
Anybody in the church? 01:06:56
That's right next door. I mean, we are working on that, Dave. 01:06:58
They have a very large organization so we are now in contact with them and hoping to schedule one of these same one-on-one 01:07:03
meetings. 01:07:07
For a couple of reasons. 1 Is that the access off of Screen Lane that a lot of people are using? Right. That's through the church, 01:07:14
yeah. 01:07:18
Property, they have a pavilion on their lawn that is quite well used and we do also see a lot of dogs on their side of the 01:07:25
property. And so we do want to run this concept by them and make sure that they use and what we're proposing here doesn't conflict 01:07:32
with anything and then also try to tie down that. 01:07:38
Shared access right, because the position of the pickleball courts is. 01:07:45
We don't have to get in the weeds on this, but do we have any sort of idea about the nature and level of contribution of Impact 01:08:21
Soccer to the? 01:08:25
Ongoing maintenance or what's typical? I mean, one thing is. 01:08:31
They didn't provide us with a dollar amount. 01:08:37
The Granite School district want to share that or is that something that's. 01:08:41
Yeah, I have their existing contract and I just don't remember off the top, OK. But we have that information basically. And the 01:08:46
one thing also I that concerns me that you know what, what their tolerance would because particularly the, I mean the fields as 01:08:53
they are are adequately usable for that purpose. And if they're going to be the primary user, that's probably not going to be the 01:09:00
first on my list to prioritize if they're usable as is and they would be the primary user. 01:09:07
And because everything I was considering is right now they're using it as a secondary use because it's primary use is a what had 01:09:16
been a school and it's used for recess and such. And then they were just kind of a marginal user for, you know, as a secondary 01:09:24
sort of user going forward with this plan, they kind of become the primary user, which kind of tells me that. 01:09:33
It's no longer just marginal, marginal cost, empty airline seats, pricing. 01:09:42
Scenario, if they're going to be a primary user, we may want to see what additional pain they can tolerate with regard to, you 01:09:48
know, if we're going to engage in a, you know, multi $1,000,000 park with a big chunk of it going to improving the fields where 01:09:54
there are primary user. 01:10:00
Because we're also talking about a regional user impact soccer as a regional drop, the one regional draw that would be in this 01:10:07
park where the rest of it, we're trying to keep fairly local use. 01:10:13
Councilmember, if we should ask them about what they're experiencing with maintenance right now? 01:10:20
I know that they had mentioned that at Bonneville, the Bonneville Middle School, they had receded and rested the fields for two 01:10:26
years and I believe that was that impact cost. So I, I, I suspect they have some knowledge about the irrigation system and its 01:10:33
functionality that we could probably ask them for as well to kind of see. 01:10:40
Whether a more immediate fix is needed or how long that can be maintained and that kind of thing. And then to to Ryan's point 01:10:48
about grants and funding, youth soccer is a big sport in Utah and that we also have a couple of. 01:10:55
Premier teams, so there's always opportunities for partnerships with groups like Utah Youth Soccer and those kinds of things, so 01:11:04
it's really possible. 01:11:08
Well we love grant money, always great at getting it to. This whole park back here was almost named Holly City Park and Holiday 01:11:13
City Park. 01:11:17
Well, I'm glad that you are perceiving what the intent of sharing the budgetary figures was. It's a bit of a menu of options right 01:11:24
now and it allows you to see what do some of these things cost and and the type of conversation we're having is just what we 01:11:28
hoped, which is. 01:11:33
Now that I see how much it costs, is that really my priority? People are already making do with it as is. Is that one of the first 01:11:39
things we want to do? 01:11:43
If we make a change, are there partners who could help us implement the finances of that? So this is just the type of conversation 01:11:47
we hope to have. Part of the reason we don't have detailed information to share with you on all of this is because we didn't, we 01:11:53
didn't want to get ahead of the council on this. We wanted to hear your thoughts and questions and then we can follow up with the 01:11:59
stakeholders and ask some of these more specific conversations, but only in lockstep with your guidance. 01:12:05
I'll just say piggyback in on what well, I agree with Paul entirely on the on the 1,000,007 is a steep price tag for those fields 01:12:12
that are largely used by Impact, right. And then also with Matt on the phased approach, my appetite for it frankly would be 01:12:19
largely dependent on the availability of grant money in a phased approach as as that availability comes. And the other question I 01:12:26
guess I would pose is I don't know if there's any data that's available that shows and maybe it's completely. 01:12:33
Dependent on the region and things like that, but from a cost benefit standpoint. 01:12:42
You know, like for example, the dog park. I I don't know. 01:12:48
What the proximity of the next closest dog park is, how big of a draw it tends to bring. I know that we do have issues that 01:12:53
convert elementary and some probably ever every elementary with the dog issue. But, but realistically, how far could we expect 01:12:59
that this would alleviate that issue, You know, and I don't know if there's any, you know, any estimates at least or, or anything 01:13:05
along those lines and. 01:13:11
Let's see anyways, yeah, and then I'd love to see. 01:13:19
A proposal as to how you would phase it again probably from a cost benefit standpoint largely right excellent. So we'll plan to to 01:13:22
explore phasing with the steering committee we've been meeting with. And to your question about the dog park, I think we should re 01:13:28
engage the county because in our interaction with them it was very clear that they have done kind of regional study of this and 01:13:34
they were excited about the fact that this was it was being considered here because there is a dearth of it on the east side. So 01:13:40
we can. 01:13:46
What additional information they have and our team will do some additional research. That way we can report back to you at our 01:13:52
next interaction and money that they have available if they're excited about it too. So yeah. 01:13:57
Great. 01:14:03
Has water efficiency and sustainability been any part of your analysis, especially with respect to the athletic fields? That's 01:14:04
that's a big part of it. One of the things we learned in talking with the district is the inefficiency of the current irrigation. 01:14:10
It appeared as though the irrigation water could be dramatically reduced and we could explore what I mean by that in terms of 01:14:16
percentages. When we come back to let you know, that's not an uncommon thing for, for people to ask, but we've seen other 01:14:22
projects. 01:14:28
Irrigation used by 50% by using newer updated systems that don't have leaks, cracks aren't throwing more water than needed, all 01:14:34
those kinds of things. So we can report on that as well. 01:14:40
These are great questions. 01:14:49
Any other questions or comments? 01:14:51
Thank you very much. This has been really, really helpful and very exciting to think about. And thanks for spending the time to 01:14:56
come talk to us tonight. Absolutely. We're glad you want to be engaged this way and we're planning on about a month from now. 01:15:02
So that it fits right in line with. 01:15:08
Budget season. So thank you. Coincidentally, thank you, thank you. 01:15:11
Thanks very much. 01:15:18
The only other thing we have on our agenda tonight is just to review the calendar. I think we have meetings set for next Thursday 01:15:20
and the 16th and then June 6th and 13th and July 11th. A budget season is here. 01:15:27
So there will be opportunities to meet together and talk about that. 01:15:34
Any other comments or questions from the Council? 01:15:40
If not, I will entertain a motion to adjourn. Mr. Chair, move to adjourn. Second. 01:15:44
All in favor, aye. Thank you. We're adjourned. 01:15:50